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Better yet ... there was no 377 sighting! All a Cooper Zombie illusion.

Reply: Why not Jo? This sounds like very important information to the Norjak investigation. Who gave you Tina's contact information and why? Intentionally witholding information in the Norjak case makes you a suspect in my view. In fact, I think you're a bigger con artist than Duane ever was. You appear to be an insider in the Norjak investigation. The question is why and what your full role is. well .... uhhh ... see attachmont

Not ONE? So untrue Jo. Everybody here wants the mystery solved. We all have plenty of other things to do. If we are crime mystery junkies there are many unsolved cases to choose from. But Norjack is heroin for skydivers. The other cold cases are methadone. 377 Shall we extend Halloween to give the Cooper Zombies extra life? Winter Holidays are just ahead! Who will win? Cooper Zombies or St. Nikolas? Will the Repub Congress fund more Cooper writers to dig tunnels between Oz and the State of Washington? Will the Cooper Zombies force passengers to jump with them!? The FAA Psychiatrist says they will! Was Cooper simply trying to get to Grandma's house for Thanksgiving? When Cooper said 'I want 4 parachutes and $200k' maybe what he really said was: 'I want 4 pumpkin pies and change for my $20 Twenty - why am I on this damned plane!? What I asked for was a cab!''! He was forced to jump to get away from the FAA Psychiatrist and "that gang" of airline and government zombies! Poor Cooper! I knew him well.

All animals pout!

What arguments? I was talking about the descriptions provided by witnesses, not Christiansen. The case against KC is only PARTIALLY reliant on a possible match to the descriptions. The vast majority is actually based on witness testimony, circumstantial evidence, some documents, pictures, etc. On most of the known suspects, it is very difficult to establish whether that person should be eliminated, left on the list, or actually be found as Cooper. One thing that sets KC apart from other suspects is THIS: It can be EASILY confirmed one way or another whether he was Cooper or the whole case is simply a bunch of coincidences. Problem is, no one in law enforcement has done that yet. (I don't think we can count statements from 2007-08 where a couple of FBI agents dismissed him nearly two years BEFORE any real evidence against him emerged.) It's a simple matter. You bring in the four female witnesses, speak to them in one room. Put Bernie Geestman in the other. Question the women first, then Bernie. Use the KC report as a reference when questioning. Have an available clip of Bernie's statements on Decoded. You'll know the truth on Christiansen within a few minutes. Simple. What arguements? The #4255 arguements you have made since joining this thread - those arguements! That's almosts 4 posts per day for 1146 days minus the roughly 45 days youve had for time outs. Typical. Go after the poster, rather than the content of the post itself. I saw back there where you now include Geoff Gray on your attack list. First you quote the hell out of him, (falsely, according to Gray's email to me) then one time you said he stopped answering your phone calls, (not a big surprise I think), and now you run numbers on me even though YOUR posting level is now approaching 8,000 entries. Someday I'll do a calculation on how many of them are simply Blevins-Insult replies. I would guess roughly more than fifty percent over the last two years at least. You are good at numbers, I'll give you that. But you got it wrong on the amount of 'down time'. It was actually 60+30+10 days=100 days. Every time this happens, I just go camping anyway.

All animals pout!

Discounting his wooden leg and meat hook for a right hand, of course! Glass eye? False teeth? Kidney bag? Girdle. Elevator shoe on right foot? Reverse knees! Thats a match if I ever saw one! The only people to ever seriously question the physical description of Cooper are: Jo Weber, RobertMBlevins, Greycop, Myers-Dvorak, Jerry Thomas, and ... Geoffrey Gray! I think I see a pattern there.

What arguments? I was talking about the descriptions provided by witnesses, not Christiansen. The case against KC is only PARTIALLY reliant on a possible match to the descriptions. The vast majority is actually based on witness testimony, circumstantial evidence, some documents, pictures, etc. On most of the known suspects, it is very difficult to establish whether that person should be eliminated, left on the list, or actually be found as Cooper. One thing that sets KC apart from other suspects is THIS: It can be EASILY confirmed one way or another whether he was Cooper or the whole case is simply a bunch of coincidences. Problem is, no one in law enforcement has done that yet. (I don't think we can count statements from 2007-08 where a couple of FBI agents dismissed him nearly two years BEFORE any real evidence against him emerged.) It's a simple matter. You bring in the four female witnesses, speak to them in one room. Put Bernie Geestman in the other. Question the women first, then Bernie. Use the KC report as a reference when questioning. Have an available clip of Bernie's statements on Decoded. You'll know the truth on Christiansen within a few minutes. Simple. What arguements? The #4255 arguements you have made since joining this thread - those arguements! That's almosts 4 posts per day for 1146 days minus the roughly 45 days youve had for time outs.

I did leave off the other witnesses. My point was the other witnesses were in the same situation as you when you estimated the height of Brett Boone. It was trying to piece together after the fact a description that's more likely to be faulty. I was proposing that Tina, when she left the plane to retrieve the parachutes and money was instructed to make a note of the hijackers height, weight, hair, etc., and unlike the other witnesses would not be trying to put together a description from memory. The other passengers descriptions are not discounted, but I would give them less weight than Tina's, especially since hers was so close to that of Flo's, who would also be trained to make note of that information. By the way, the shortest description was "no more than 5'9". Kenny was 5'8". How far below that 5'9" are you willing to go? In addition to basic physical facts, there are mannerisms. How did the guy act? Did he smile a lot, grimace, smirk, frown a lot, etc. I am told Kenny had distinct mannerisms. For the life of me I dont know why we are spending all of this time on KC. We might just as well be comparing a 'chicken'! Rather than persons with the greatest statistical deviation from the mean ... why not find somone that approaches the mean? Moreover Mr. Blevins' arguements dont approach the mean!

Hi Uberalles, You forgot me, but I forgive you. I can't find it now but I either referenced or attached an article about the parachute and skull find a while back. No one bit so I'm glad you brought it back up. I thought it was rather strange myself. I have looked, but so far have been unable to find any follow-up. What I also found strange was the complete lack of - "hey who the hell is this guy". I know the media has a short attention span, and maybe it was there and I just missed it - but it is one of those things that make you go hmmm. They didn't really say how old the remains were, but I did not get the impression that the skull had been there for a lot of years - so seems like someone would have remembered the guy that jumped from the plane and never made it back to wherever he came from. I've got a tip for all the mafia dudes out there. Forget cement boots or gravel pits - just drop em out of a plane in Washington and their bodies will either never be found - or if they are found, no one will be that interested in finding out how they ended up out there. Funny! If you can find and repost your original posts. I remember this as two unrelated events; parachute in a tree seen by a father and his son, then skull found at another location far from the parachute which was somewhere near the Columbia river? I have articles on both events but just am too lazy to dig them up. this story? http://www.questia.com/library/1G1-63952177/skull-found-in -grandma-s-attic-may-be-skyjacker-d-b Thats one of the stories. I think Sluggo posted about the parachute and the skull(s) stories years ago here ... I have original newspaper articles on all of these stories if I get the time to dig them out. ....

That's interesting, Georger. I know one of the tacks the FBI took at the time was to check against any missing person reports. That still seems strange to me in this case. The person would have to stop showing up to work, and stop supporting a family. It seems if the hijacker were an educated person, he'd leave a hole somewhere. But, you're right...If a person had no family or close friends and quit a job and moved shortly before the hijacking maybe nobody would notice. That seems like a more uncommon than common situation, but that's just speculation on my part. Another angle was to ask around, 'who is in debt to the tune of $200k'.

The physical description given by all the stews was immediate ... right at the front of every note made and kept in this case, duplicated many times in people's notes, communicated to the ground first & foremost. This was notThe stews reponding later when asked later ... saying 'Hmmm where was I that day!' This was real time with Cooper right in front of them on the plane beginning immediately after he hands over his note and tells Flo to read it! The apparition of Unicornd and wing devils happens later when Klatuu arrived and suck 305 up into his starship, and the Greys gave everyone on board a body cavity exam!

Hi Uberalles, You forgot me, but I forgive you. I can't find it now but I either referenced or attached an article about the parachute and skull find a while back. No one bit so I'm glad you brought it back up. I thought it was rather strange myself. I have looked, but so far have been unable to find any follow-up. What I also found strange was the complete lack of - "hey who the hell is this guy". I know the media has a short attention span, and maybe it was there and I just missed it - but it is one of those things that make you go hmmm. They didn't really say how old the remains were, but I did not get the impression that the skull had been there for a lot of years - so seems like someone would have remembered the guy that jumped from the plane and never made it back to wherever he came from. I've got a tip for all the mafia dudes out there. Forget cement boots or gravel pits - just drop em out of a plane in Washington and their bodies will either never be found - or if they are found, no one will be that interested in finding out how they ended up out there. Funny! If you can find and repost your original posts. I remember this as two unrelated events; parachute in a tree seen by a father and his son, then skull found at another location far from the parachute which was somewhere near the Columbia river? I have articles on both events but just am too lazy to dig them up.

"I go back and forth -- I think there must be somebody new that hasn't been investigated, but is it really possible the true hijacker could have slipped through the cracks and either didn't tell anyone or died without being tied to the crime?" sure, the possibility is there that he has not been found...alive. Mel Wilson sure did slip thru the cracks. he did disappear around the same time! if you drive down Cooper Hwy, you find a split in the road. the problem is, which route did he take. I'm not set in stone that he took the Hwy to hell. it's still possible he fooled everyone. I tend to lean more to the Hwy to hell though. If Cooper's family was dead, or he didn't stay in touch, it's possible to go missing without any alert. Missing doesnt catch him. People went/still go missing all the time and in a large percentage of those cases nobody cares, and in some percentage people are glad see their missing vanish never to be seen again. Much later people usually wonder - whatever happened to - but by then its too late. There are missing people in every extended family - Failure to match finger prints and dna is more puzzling but still common. H tried to separate the Cooper hijacking from all the rest and claim it was unique. Stats say otherwise (as Farflung pointed out). My guess is there came a point where the case was no longer a priority, and the minute that happens that chance of finding a match reduces exponentially, especially if you dont have solid evidence in the first place. The found money offers the possibility that something went wrong for Cooper, perhaps terminally wrong, and if that happened whatever it was, it also erased even more evidence. It only adds to the problem to have anyone with any authority say: "The money did not arrive by natural means". That only complicates everything and adds a giant misdirection since there is no decisive evidence at all, to back such an "opinion" up! This case is full of "opinions" and that alone may be why Cooper's fate and identity still remains unknown - apparently. There may be evidence the public doesn't have that would put everything in better perspective. I am 100% certain that is the case.

Someone that used to be here, and I, went around about what the black and white map should be called. Sluggo calls it the FBI Jump map. Its his site - he can call it what he wants. Sluggo was referring to how the map was used - its purpose, to identify the jump area in order to coordinate searches and catch Cooper. It could have been called the NWA-FAA search map ? Blaming the FBI for the map et cetera, is an empty exercise. Once you know the origin of the map and how it was composed another historical element of the case becomes more apparent - the role of the FAA. The FAA supposedly became the repository for the 'radar tapes'? The FAA's role in the DB Cooper case is a little-explored area, but an historical fact nonetheless. Its an empty exercise probably, and nobody interested -

histrionics ? anger and your need to rant ? Bruce. Can you understand the words comin outta my mouth? The Foreman's cat was not D.B. Cooper! You are entitled to conjecture. You may even bring in Masons, mind waves, ESP, 7 Chakras, and Quantum Possum FBI Saxaphone Wars ... but you are not entitled to make stuff up. The FBI did not make the flight path map ... any more than they make Chevy's and Quantum Possum Brand shoes with secret detectors that implant between your toes! Maybe the histrionics are yours? I read nonfiction.

Quote So, G, what do you make of the discrepancies between the Paul Soderlind-slash-FBI flight path and the one that can be developed based upon what Rataczak says, the heavy search action over the Washougal, the exceptionally modest ground search in the Soderlind-based LZ, and the lack of any discoveries in the Ariel LZ over the past 42 years? Since your response was an impassioned one, I think it's fair to ask you about your feelings towards the FBI. How will you feel if you learn that the FBI is complicit in a cover-up? Or how much bungling can you accept in a large bureaucracy before you lose faith in a cherished institution? In short, what are your cultural googles when it comes to the FBI and their less-than-stellar police work. And please, don't ever try to mind-fuck me again and tell me to read the thread. I consider it disrespectful. It's an intellectualized from of bullying, and I won't accept it. Mind fuck? A "mind fuck" is you telling the world the FBI MADE the NWA-FAA flight path map .... when they didn't! Name who in the FBI at the time who would have done this!? Was it Agent Smurley Caleopea Canoe? Just tell people it was made by Unicorns at Area-51! Its not anyone's fault you havent been keeping up or reading and absorbing the thread. Goto the back of the class! You bring up "Fair"? What would be "fair" in my book is you learning a few basic facts about the DB Cooper case and dropping the Foreman's, Unicorns, and somebody to blame. The blame is yours. I just work for a living. A Wage Earner Sheeple. And my "feelings" about clouds and water, are my damned business!

Ube, thanks for the shout-out, so to speak. The flight path as presented on Sluggo's site is in dispute. What the FBI says it was and what other principals claim do not jive. As a result, the FBI is increasingly coming under a dark cloud of suspicion. Seemingly unrelated issues are stockpiling under this pale, ie: flight path, missing evidence, incomplete ground searches, etc, and I think it behooves all responsible investigators to more closely examine the actions of the Bureau. Call it what you want - mistakes, lies, compromise, conspiracy, deceit, cover-ups, whatever; the bottom line is we need to look. Afterwards, when we know more about the FBI's conduct of its Norjak investigation we can then more accurately select what words we ought to use to describe the Bureau. In the meantime, we look at the evidence through "cultural goggles" as Sluggo said, which shapes our perceptions. Some people simply can't live with any doubt of their beloved FBI. Others can, and they will lead the way in this aspect of the investigation. You sound like RobertMBlevins! You make a basic error. The FBI had nothing to do with the making of the "flight path map". The FBI inherited a flight path map. Here it is - the first iteration! What posses you to make a nonsensical statement like that - have you learned nothing in all these years of 'research'? If you want to tag and name somebody, to blame ... tag Paul Soderlind and the FAA data he used. Those are the actual historical facts. For God's sake - go back and read Sluggo's website and then - READ THE THREAD!

I'm not expecting anything. They will probably find out the whole thing is a bunch of coincidences. I was banned for a month, two months another time, another two weeks. So I've taken my lumps. MeyerLouie probably was banned because he kept posting up EFF-YOU Blevins posts. Shall I direct you to them? He chose that road, not me. Georger claimed an *alleged producer* made comments about the Decoded episode, and when challenged on it, he admitted it wasn't even anyone who WORKED with History Channel or on the Decoded program. *Alleged producer?* Of what? Name him and I'll run an IMDB search to find out. Otherwise, I have to assume it's BS. And even though he claimed the email came from one person, the message keeps referring to 'we' and 'us'. This was VERY lame. If I tried that one people would be all over me like white on rice. (Or BROWN, if you're like macrobiotic or something. ) This is the THIRD time youve gone through this routine Mr Blevins. My post 3 Oct 26, 2013, 10:05 PM Post #47852 of 47955 (584 views) says absolutely NOTHING about Decoded, the History Channel, nor does the email I quoted even mention ANY program. Why are you fabricating this falsehood? Can you just read someone's post and leave it at that? The email I quoted from a producer addresses the issue of candidates and the people posting here and promoting them. The producer's email say not one word about Decoded, History Channel, or any other program ... and neither did I! Please stop making things up out of whole cloth. And PLEASE stop issuing threats!

Are you saying poor Margie is being held prisoner by her attorney and prevented from having any contact with RobertMBlevins against her will ? In post #47893, Blevins stated that he last saw Margie in October 2010 (which is about two months after he joined the thread) and that was, presumably, also his last interview with her. Blevins states that Margie knew that she would not be hearing from him again at that point. Nevertheless, Blevins now knows that Margie has changed her mailing address, reportedly moved to a condo, sold her property and told the bank officer not to give out her address. Are Blevins statements consistent and believable? Robert99 Maybe he has an Agent tailing her, in her purse? The issue I got from his post(s) is that he is pissed he can no longer talk to Margie, or have her under his thumb, so foul play must be involved that is preventing him/her/them from having communication. Now just imagine what would happen if Geestman and "That Woman" - or Lindsay Lohan - vanished! AB Books might collapse! ?

Are you saying poor Margie is being held prisoner by her attorney and prevented from having any contact with RobertMBlevins against her will ?

You might like Virginia or Maryland, or New England! Ive always thought about living in New England. I work on data and student papers late - quiet time. Just me and the crickets and critters... furnace on and the windows open. Autumn is aways nice here.

Are you kidding? In Cooperland? Not a frickin' chance in hell. Only a very few people are aware, and I'm not naming any of them. Besides, I thought you weren't interested anyway. You have said that. Not interested? Me? On the subject of documentaries, Galen sent me an announcement about a Travel Channel docu on Cooper that was filmed several months ago, and will be broadcast in early November. Here's his commentary: "...And while we are on the search for verification of upcoming shows.........here's one that is REAL, if you care to pass along................ Travel Channel, new series called "AMERICA DECLASSIFIED." DB Cooper investigation segment runs on Sunday evening, November 10th, 10:00 pm EST. Host is Mr. Mike Baker, retired CIA officer. Appearances by Jerry Thomas (yep, that one), Galen Cook, Phil Scoles (scientist from Portland), and a guest parachutist who is going to make a hard jump into the southern Washington forest near Ariel. Send Galen my best! How is he doing? I havent talked to him in ages! G.

well . . . others have already contacted NPR .... withy the same result as yours. "Never heard of a RobertMBlevins". Blevins may be in contact with some producer somewhere who has some relationship to NPR, or just knows someone at NPR ... which Blevins is then peddling as being N.P.R., but if nobody at NPR knows anything about it, well then .... who knows. THE DRAMA QUEEN AINT TALKIN! MULES DONT FLY! But the day NPR spends time on RobertMBlevins the wheels will come off the wagon and NPR will lose money in suspended or cancelled support ... and we are talkin real money here. That is almost guaranteed. If NPR wants to go down that path, fine. Maybe Bobby has cooked this up in response to not being included in the Washington History Museum Exhibit?

[skyjack71] Another article over the yrs ID'ed one found skull as an indian woman. G replies: Thats correct.