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You never know. We might even bring Ursula K. LeGuin. She's my fave sci-fi author. I told her once that I'd ask her to adopt me if I didn't already have a mother. She liked that. Relax. It's all good. If the people of the City of Auburn WA are anything like you .... well .... my sympathies to them. You seem to speak freely for them. officially. As their good shepherd? Does the rest of the State of Washington have cause for concern? Is a quarantine warranted? To avoid total chaos? And a fire sale! Auburn SOLD for 69-cents. What EXACTLY do you have against the people of this fine town? I was just wondering.... predictable re-direct, distortion, and straw man. Have you beat your cat lately?

Since Georger didn't seem to read this - perhaps I need to repost it and the picture I attached. Why are you so mean?

You never know. We might even bring Ursula K. LeGuin. She's my fave sci-fi author. I told her once that I'd ask her to adopt me if I didn't already have a mother. She liked that. Relax. It's all good. If the people of the City of Auburn WA are anything like you .... well .... my sympathies to them. You seem to speak freely for them. officially. As their good shepherd? Does the rest of the State of Washington have cause for concern? Is a quarantine warranted? To avoid total chaos? And a fire sale! Auburn SOLD for 69-cents.

Well, you will have to post the pic used in the thread - I can not do U-Tube! If it was the old pic that was distorted that the brother sent me - I did NOT know that man. BET they did NOT use any of the pics I have sent them! Attached is the only PIC the FBIi ever uses - wonder why? Then I will post 2 other they should have used. I wonder what it would take to get Greycop to change to (and back) Duane Weber? Think about it! Howz JT these days - ?

Good! My post was aimed at you... I knew you would rush to do another rehash makeover about how Duane was a chameleon .... looked like a chicken in Spring ... looked like a Brazilian bear in Autumn ... How much do you charge for a bone throw and palm reading? Keep in mind, Blevins ISN'T GOING TO PAY SHIT! It's against his principles.

Blevins you sound - PLAIN BITTER! Six months ago you were posting about how cozy you were with 'NAMED PEOPLE' at WSHM etc. and how you supported WSHM. Now its all potsherds and ashes, like the fall of Troy? Are you claiming to be Achilles, Ulysses, or Agamemnon? The symposium was a failure because they didn't follow your advice! Can we now officially say you sound and act like ... Jo Weber? Will you be trying to get Carr, Eng, and WSHM all fired?

There probably 40 - 50 by the afternoon session. Lame. You say in part: I am not paying for SHIT. People want to present what they have at the event, then they can get hold of me and I'll see what I can do. I will accomodate anyone who asks. If there is no interest, I'll just show free sci-fi movies again. Trust me. I have no problem doing this. Helping organize a Cooper event at the Ave would be tougher for me then screening free films. That's easy, especially with the freebies. REALTY MOTEL LOL: YOU WONT HAVE TO!

thanks, Robert, but I don't think the problem was the venue or charging. The $15 charge included the exhibit and the members of the audience who were unfamiliar with the case were able to see a lot more about the case besides a seminar. That being said, I wouldn't mind something in Auburn, but I think you'd have the same short-coming we had. We didn't have the speakers or presenters that we had in 2011. How do you propose to get these people to fly into yours when the museum might have had a budget for some of that whereas you would not? You assume the City of Auburn would sanction Blevins doing this! REALITY CHECK! Wont ever happen.... for 237 reasons.

why are you here! ??? except to use this forum as your personal toilet paper and disrupt others? I thought you announced a fishing vacation prior to Thanksgiving? Returning Dec 3rd? Fish await you. Go sleep with the fishes! LOL. Why are YOU here? It's an existential question. The answer lies in Desiderata, I imagine. What the heck is all your talk about 'profiles'. Not everyone can be pigeonholed or figured out by mathematical or psychological means. Especially when there is no file on them from an MHP (mental health professional) and no one put them on the couch. Frustrates you to no end, I'm sure. I can't believe you're whining because most of the proposed suspects are (your words) 'nice middle class American white guys'. Well, Mr Genius...that's probably because Mucklow described him as 'nice' and the witnesses said he was middle-aged and white, and probably from the good ol' midwest USA. It's on the wanted poster, anyway...

why are you here! ??? except to use this forum as your personal toilet paper and disrupt others? I thought you announced a fishing vacation prior to Thanksgiving? Returning Dec 3rd? Fish await you. Go sleep with the fishes!

Paul didn't show up? wonder why. he seems to have the whole thing figured out... As I described above, the symposium was really disappointing. There was no discussion of any suspects, including Marla. Grey Cop was at Ariel. I talked to him and he showed me handwriting samples from Kenny from the 1950s and the letters and the ticket. I'm not a handwriting expert, so I couldn't draw any conclusions. He also talked to me about stories about how someone else hid the money and directed the Ingrahams to find it and Kenny bought gold with all of the money. I have to admit he lost me on a lot of that story and Vicki was kind enough to walk over and rescue me. His book would probably be worth reading, but I didn't want to pay $19.95 for it. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cuba%E2%80%93United_States_aircraft_hijackings and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings To date, the self-promoted stable of suspects on free internet forums have been: nice middle class American white guys Cultural Gomer goggles? No description of Cooper including Gregory's description, fits the WMCWG profile! Moreover, a list of hijackings at links above (see prior Farflung & Georger posts) shows the Cooper hijacking occurring in a larger context of hijackings, most with a foreign connection, and nice middle class American white guys are a rarity! I would note that one of Himmelsbach's first publicised profiles for Cooper was: "food service worker (of foreign extraction)"! Domestic hijacking is rare prior to the Cooper hijacking vs foreign connected hijackings. Domestic hijacking increases after the Cooper hijacking but there is always a strong political or financial motive. Use of the North-west hub for hijacking is almost non-existent prior to the Cooper hijacking. The Cooper hijacking represents a northward extension of what has previously been a middle to southern State or east coast phenomenon. The Cooper hijacking represents a sudden geographic change. It is noteworthy that ALL of the suspects suggested by internet sleuths have been nice middle class white guys! That conflicts directly with the statistics of actual mainstream hijacker profiles before and after Cooper (1960-1980). If the gloves don't fit you must acquit? The internet seems to be generating candidates who don't fit the profiles of actual hijackers and may not fit Cooper at all! Great lengths have been exercised by suspect promoters here to CHANGE the hijacker profile to FIT their candidates.

LOL don't tell me to 'stick to the subject' when you post up junk like the above... And by the way...I was responding to 377's comment anyway about how almost no one should ever expect to profit a dime from Cooper. The only who ever did THAT was Cooper himself. On the Symposium: I'm sure Ariel was a lot more fun. My main question on the symposium would be this: How many outside people from the public (non-Cooper related folk) dropped the ten bucks to attend? I'm guessing it was less than a packed house. And if so, I call the whole thing an utter failure. With an organization like WSHM behind the whole thing, their contacts with the media, the displays, etc. it should have been better. Let me drop an example on you. You want an event like that to pack the house with the public...you DON'T charge people ten bucks a head to attend. You throw it open to the public. El Duh...that's Spanish for 'Duh'. Look, you can call me crazy or make excuses, but here's why the displays and events at WSHM haven't interested me: They are just a re-hash, too...and the WSHM policy of not presenting any of the 40-plus-year investigation or the investigation of possible suspects was putting on blinders to reality and little else. There have been a lot of hijackings, but Cooper is the only one where thousands of people were questioned, named, investigated over a period of four decades without result...and they present little to nothing about THAT. As far as your comments regarding me or Gray, or discussions...Gray doesn't make a habit of talking about others. And what is that pap about 'The shadow of Blevins over the symposium was palpable...' or whatever. What dramatic trash. You talk as if you were actually THERE. We're you? Me? I'll wait to see what Bruce Smith has to say, and I'm sure he will have plenty. I have made a decision for next year, though. I'm going to do another Ariel video at the annual celebration. This time I'm using a script, though. Last one was too long and had too much filler. - did "that guy" say something! - ???

Paul didn't show up? wonder why. he seems to have the whole thing figured out... Another reports the symposium etc were bland and recycled statements of the same things. Gray made no attempt to give additional background or elaborate on the Gregory testimony. Basically it was: "he said this and that - he said what he said". No attempt to resolve it or put it in perspective ... except that he, Gregory, was the only paint store/house painter on board 305. Good eye for colour and detail... and mixing and applying paint liberally. Uses sprayers on barns and commercial jobs. Makes you wonder if the FBI tried to resolve the discrepancies in witness reports? Suit colour? Weight - height? Makes me question what the job of a "writer" is? Writers are not quarterbacks. They don't actually have to deliver a ball or win a game. Just find and put together fragments of balls from past games then throw them at some wall hoping something sticks, within the budget the owner has given.... then on to the next project like real house painters do. Was there an FBI rep in attendance and what did he say? I mean someone other than Walter Chronkite Blevins who was reporting from his Auburn studio, claiming a 30-30 rifle and "We've lost Vietnam", but "was not there" ? Any word from GreyCop at Bellevue? Did he survive a ride in the back of a pickup truck, in his pink party dress? Were Geestman and "That Woman" there, along with th rest of the "Wage Earner Sheeple" and "Slapped Down Red Haired Step Childs" ? One thing was abundantly clear! Gray had not come to discuss "RobertMBlevins". The shadow of Blevins over the symposium was palpable, however, as the protecting of pocket change revealed . . . Gray simply did not want to discuss ... "that guy!" or the whole RobertMBlevins/KC debacle ! Were members of the Che Guevara Cuban Red Cross Chili Pepper Band there? Par Bey and Sister Stella representing Jo Weber and the Miami-Havana-Saskatoon Cartel? In rumpled russet suits with marcelled hair and clean finger nails ... with perfect no accent Canadian-French-English-Cuban ... Has Gray got any unexplained trips to Cuba? Anyone bother to ask him? Where's the rest of the back story? Where's the beef?

That is very true regarding the rocky shore of literary ships. No one at AB really knows how much exactly we spent exploring Christiansen. Maybe eight thousand, maybe up to thirteen in total. Part of the expense is because when you start dedicating all your weekends and spare time for a year to do that...you also lose money from other sources. For example, no more First Cleans for new customers, which pay a minimum of $350. Also...no more book editing, or very little, which pays very well depending on the job. All I know is that if I could have seen into the future, I would have told Skipp Porteous to go to a different publisher. But once I committed, then I was stuck with finishing the whole thing. And in the end we never were able to prove Christiansen was Cooper anyway... The ONLY reason we were able to make some of the expenses back was because we do trade wholesale and because the book was also released for the Kindle. If we would have released at Lulu.com or as an overpriced paperback, (see: GrayCop) we would have lost our shirt. Why are you here? What does Blevination add to this discussion? Stick to the topic!

I'd like to chime in~ If DBC 'knew' what he was doing, he quite likely wouldn't have opted for a 'pull-off' as it's referred to in the sport. When I jumped a 727 we actually had to slow down to terminal velocity after the exit...in other words the aircraft was going faster forward than a body does vertically in freefall. Though the parachute he was using could 'probably' have remained intact, it would have been rough on the body...possibly even enough force to cause some kind of catastrophe failure of the money bag or it's 'tied' attachment. The G forces involved in a faster than 'normal' parachute opening can be rather high~ http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2915781;search_string=that%20kinda%20hurt;#2915781 Above is a thread illustrating that point, the riser failure pictured was of the 2500 pound variety, the money bag was secured with 550(lb) cord. Your thoughts-conclusions are almost exactly what those of the Boeing skydiver club consultants were - thus the basis for the claim Cooper had probably died - its back in the thread.

NOW I WILL FINISH THE STORY I WAS GOING TO TELL WHEN I MADE THE ABOVE STATEMENT AND GOT SIDE TRACKED TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT GEORGER MADE ONE OF MEAN OLD BABOON STATEMENT! I had asked Duane to please give me sign - I do not believe in the paranormal but what happened as I made the statement - was eerie! It was like I was being instructed what to do. I am very tired and was going to go to bed. I grabbed the amazing map a woman sent me from WA. I laid it on the kitchen bar and asked Duane to show me where he was on this Thankgivine Eve 42 yrs ago. Why I did what I did - I will never know. I grabbed the Oatmeal box and put my finger in and got a pinch of Oatmeal. I held the Oatmeal just above where the woman had written this is where the plane door opened. She lived in that area. I held the pinch of oatmeal up and as I let it go I blew on it in the direction the wind would be blowing. Even I do NOT believe what happened. There were 3 grains of oatmeal. One was at a position where 505 & 504 intersect and just to the EAST of Toutle. I had highlighted this a few wks ago. The second grain was just below the S.W. flank of Mt St Helens. The third grain was below Swift Reservoir. This was uncanny and I am sure just a quirk of fate. I felt some how he had answered my question. All I did was come back and turn on the computer and be confronted with the one thing I have tried and tried to set straight. Remember this guys - I compose and correct my post on the thread - I do NOT know how to compose them elsewhere and then put them in the computer. Excuse me - I am a simple person and I do things the hard way, but it is just my way. Well... Lady... Georger's "MEAN OLD BABOON STATEMENT" IS: you havent shown one shred of real evidence for any element of your changing stories about Duane Weber. And pending that, your whole story is a personal adventure you are on and nothing more. Your stories and claims have no known relationship to any actual facts or events on this or any other planet - in the known universe. You might as well be contending that Duane Weber shot JFK! And you have been on this flirtation for so many years without showing any proof of anything, one must conclude the whole thing is a personal problem you bear and nothing more. A total FABRICATION or hallucination... which changes like the wind depending on what you have eaten from what others have offered up here, at any given time?. And now it is obvious your imaginations are growing thin ... with less and less material to work with! The Weber story has grown stale and absurd.

You post. People reply. We aint no catering service! Try levitation and notes in bottles, I guess. No silver slippers, pumpkins, and balls here...

Jane Goodall you aint! Sorry your broomstick failed and crashed - Try South East Airlines next time, or take the bus to your next newly revised Duane Tale.

Does anybody have this guys mailing address it's time 100 dollars who has it. If the FBI met with Marla and confirmed it, why wouldn't they announce and confirm it with you? The FBI has said nothing about you or your story ? Why isnt the media in Washington reporting your story! ? Why is WSHM ignoring your story? Why is Maybelle at Lantern Park Crt ignoring your story!?

Well, there is only one way 3 packet got there together. Regardless of if Weber was Cooper or NOT - Duane Weber put those 3 packets in the ground in Sept/Oct of 1979. Jo Weber in 1996 in a phone call to the FBI was the only person who ever explained anything logical about this find. I didn't even know that when I told the FBI about Duane's stop in 1979. UNTIL that moment NO one person ever gave a logical explanation for the money find in 1980. Sure they did. They said money had washed up onto Tina Bar, like lots of things wash up on Tina Bar and other sandbars and shorelines all the time, from all possible directions under various conditions. This isn't rocket science. Its fact anyone can observe and watch happening...as countless people have. How far is it from the south tip of Tina Bar to where the money was found? Bet you don't even know. Where exactly did Duane bury the money on Tina Bar? Your previous version had him throw the money into the Columbia in a paper bag ... when and how did this morph into him now burying the money at Tina Bar? It morphed when Tom Kaye arrived! Will it morph again when Dr. Lewis Evans arrives and gives his ideas? And, you have no evidence Duane was ever at Tina Bar, and him being there at all is only your latest revision of your story in keeping with Tom Kaye's ideas .... Wait for Lewis Evan's ideas. You can morph your Duane story again. Your constantly changing your claims to conform with the latest popular idea that's getting attention really is silly ... you should have stuck with your first set of claims. At least they were open ended enough to offer a possibility. Now you have backed yourself into a corner which requires you present real proof Duane was ever at Tina Bar at all! Put him on the plane. Put him at Tina Bar. But thanks in the meantime for throwing your paper bag story out the window! The net result of your latest revision is that you now lack any connection between Duane and the money!

Georger, that is a seriously funny post. Thanks and 73. 377 You forgot the Turkey Neck. eta: smaller picture. Noted. (was noted long ago) Have a good but safe trip to WA. Thank you Georger. I will stay safe. and.....I was trying to make a funny with the whole turkey neck/Thanksgiving thingy. HA... I take it seriously, because I know you and your family do. Have a fun trip.

Georger, that is a seriously funny post. Thanks and 73. 377 You forgot the Turkey Neck. eta: smaller picture. Noted. (was noted long ago by people) Have a good but safe trip to WA.

Albert. Gore. Al Gore? Coincidence? Give a special greeting and regards from me to Meyer. Thanks. Reply: Mark, do you think there is any truth to the rumor that Judge Collins lived in Grassy Knolls Estates? Just asking. BTW: Meyer Louie tells me that you're runnin' him down to Ariel and back on Saturday. Cool. See you at the WSHM and at the party. You gonna be around on Friday for Geoff's shin-dig?

377 Here is a picture of Jack Collins. Looks similar to the sketch....he must be the one!!! You can read the first few pages of the book here http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/185096476 Reply: I just spoke with Robin Collins, Bradley's wife. She's not a kook! Whew - and she described what sounds like a very deliberate and sound approach to an important family story. Bradley was out, but I expect to talk with him soon. Their book is due out Friday for public distribution in print form. Their pub was some outfit in the UK. Robin and Bradley may be coming to the shin-dig Friday at the WSHM. Robin also told me that she and Brad had been at the Cooper exhibit's opening day and spoke with Tom Kaye. Robin also said that she is a big time reader of the Mountain News! I love her already, although not as much as Mooshie, of course, but 377 knows that and understands. He understands so much.... So Bruce, in your professional opinion, is there anything to this? Yes, no, maybe? Blevins, I enjoyed you brushes with greatness, but I got you beat. I once got to sing on stage with my favorite singer John Mellencamp (there is two things I can't do and singing is both of them). I also met and partied with the man who bought my favorite football team, had some good years with them, and then destroyed them...Jerry Jones. Bruce, I think I will hold off reading your book until after you go back and edit to include this Collins fellow, lol. Reply: Yo, Parrot, I don't know, and I still haven't spoken to Bradley, who is saying that his father is Coop. But the vibe I'm getting at the moment is this is strong enough to look into. As for holding off on reading my book until something else happens, you sound like my sister who used to drive me crazy by saving her Halloween candy for months - she was still eating chocolate on Christmas Eve! Me, my stuff was gone in 24 hours. Vicki- good find on Judge Collins. So befitting to the Cooper case. See ya Friday. Lastly, just got an email from Pat Forman. She and Ron are coming to the symposium on Saturday, and they'll be in Ariel, too. We seem to have some common themes (stereotypes?) being repeated: _ was a resident(s) of Oregon or Washington. _ was a family affair (Marla Effect) _ the name Collins ? (Jo Weber Effect) _ had special expertise in aviation/skydiving. (Soderlind Effect) _ played trumpet (Jehovah Gabriel Effect). Announced it! _ Canadian component (Cooper Comic Abrakadabra Effect) _ 3 bundles Lost! (Blevins Effect) _ always talked about writing/publishing something. _ worked for NWA/Boeing/CIA/CBS-NBC. (Chronkite Effect) _ Cooper missing in plain or plane sight. (Weber Effect) _ Effects Georger has yet to announce! (Orson Welles Effect) Theory satisfies Dropzone Thread 13-dimension maldum fornax coordinates required for a tv series! The Beatles Effect. I dunnoh. Is there anything being missed? Like a connection to the Talmud, Homer's Iliad, Bhagavad Gita, or the Jimmy-Jon Employee Service Manual ? Could be a Mormon-Haganah conspiracy except nobody currently writing scripts has heard of the Israeli Haganah (indicates a gap in basic social education required for modern day script writing if the producer expects his or her mini-series to attract attention in the Third World!)? In a similar vein no evidence Cooper had a Canadian-Chinese accent! This eliminates roughly 2 billion people from possible viewership!) Very likely the Chinese are stirring up something for their own audience, Cooper-Fu Man Chu ?) Attention! Writers may soon divert the Cooper script to have it account for the collapse of Western Civilisation (Leslie White Effect!) Be forewarned. The Chinese-Japanese may buy Ariel and Seattle and have it and its resident-actors shipped to Beijing in a cargo container for next year's Cooper celebration. This would include the Seattle Office of the FBI. Cloned copies of the Beatles, Elvis, and RobertMBlevins ...will perform! Costa Concordia is already booking tours - No small wonder Sheridan moved to a mud hut! Anything to get out of the way of construction! Am I missing anything ? Anyone got a mud hut to rent? Do you take O'Bama vouchers?

And none of that has a thing to do with DB Cooper. Neither does Severinson..