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I mostly switched to EE bulbs a while ago. Incandescents are so...well...Edison and all.

THAT angle has me very interested. Snow and I did a lot of research on the uses of bismuth possibly in combo with the other metals. What kind of environment exposed your suspect to bismuth? I dont get too excited about suspects whose image matches the FBI sketch. I've seen too many police suspect sketches end up being way way off base from the actual perpetrator's appearance. The Cooper sketch may be accurate or it may be inaccurate. The problem is that we won't really know until Cooper is ID'd by some other evidence. A Canadian working in a titanium foundry might fit with TK's evidence and hunches. The pure (non alloyed) Ti is of special interest. Put that in combination with bismuth and your choices narrow significantly. Too bad about no radios, but I can handle it... 377 As shown on Unsolved Mysteries, there is this additional sketch as described by Florence Schaffner. The UM episode is no longer on YouTube, but I captured the image and saved it to my files. It is quite different than the FBI's official sketch. Florence was absolutely convinced this sketch was "the guy". I've seen that photo. it can't be correct, it doesn't look like KC or Duane Wasn't Flo under tripple-hypnosis when that drawing was done? It' a tale of ten cities competing. With the crown finally going to Florence for a thirty-day trial - which has longsince expired. I am not sure what Unsolved Mysteries did to Flo, but they made me wear a flower in my hair. Then the director and crew took my sisters and myself out for dinner and drinks. My post was a attempt at showing that each witness has a different perspective and the sketches are not an end all, be all, conclusion. Not all witnesses are equal - ... under triple hypnosis, that is. The blame falls not on you or on Florence but on all those beauro-forensic Managers of managers of Wage Earner Technicians with 50 page memos on "how to screw in a light bulb" ... BTW - VERY IMPORTANT !!!!! 40 & 60 WATT INCANDESCENT LIGHT BULBS WILL BE ILLEGAL AFTER JAN 1 2014 - ITS O'BAMA BULB CARE! GO OUT AND BUY EVERY LIGHT BULB ON THE SHELF .... NOW NOW NOW!

That would be so cool if the real DBC had gleaned the idea for the crime from this comic. Snowmman, who I believe first surfaced the comics issue, would be pursued by the press if they could ever figure out who he is. Carol "Abracadabra" would be a guest on late night shows. Her symposium presentation on the comics was just superb. How would you prove your suspect had read Dan Cooper comics? 377 Not trying to take anything away from anyone, but ...a reference to the comic in relation to the hijacking first surfaced in a Portland Oregon newspaper editorial in 1982. Would attach but it's on another computer - but I've posted the article on here before. Now whether the FBI ran with the connection then is anyone's guess. They didn't publicize it if they did. I'm pretty sure that I also saw the connection on another website before it was posted on dropzone but the connection did not appear as a "FBI sponsored official" theory until after Carr was on dropzone and it was posted by snowmman. The forces just had to align.

THAT angle has me very interested. Snow and I did a lot of research on the uses of bismuth possibly in combo with the other metals. What kind of environment exposed your suspect to bismuth? I dont get too excited about suspects whose image matches the FBI sketch. I've seen too many police suspect sketches end up being way way off base from the actual perpetrator's appearance. The Cooper sketch may be accurate or it may be inaccurate. The problem is that we won't really know until Cooper is ID'd by some other evidence. A Canadian working in a titanium foundry might fit with TK's evidence and hunches. The pure (non alloyed) Ti is of special interest. Put that in combination with bismuth and your choices narrow significantly. Too bad about no radios, but I can handle it... 377 As shown on Unsolved Mysteries, there is this additional sketch as described by Florence Schaffner. The UM episode is no longer on YouTube, but I captured the image and saved it to my files. It is quite different than the FBI's official sketch. Florence was absolutely convinced this sketch was "the guy". I've seen that photo. it can't be correct, it doesn't look like KC or Duane Wasn't Flo under tripple-hypnosis when that drawing was done? It' a tale of ten cities competing. With the crown finally going to Florence for a thirty-day trial - which has longsince expired.

That would be so cool if the real DBC had gleaned the idea for the crime from this comic. Snowmman, who I believe first surfaced the comics issue, would be pursued by the press if they could ever figure out who he is. Carol "Abracadabra" would be a guest on late night shows. Her symposium presentation on the comics was just superb. How would you prove your suspect had read Dan Cooper comics? 377 Not trying to take anything away from anyone, but ...a reference to the comic in relation to the hijacking first surfaced in a Portland Oregon newspaper editorial in 1982. Would attach but it's on another computer - but I've posted the article on here before. Now whether the FBI ran with the connection then is anyone's guess. They didn't publicize it if they did. I'm pretty sure that I also saw the connection on another website before it was posted on dropzone but the connection did not appear as a "FBI sponsored official" theory until after Carr was on dropzone and it was posted by snowmman. The forces just had to align.

Executives at the Travel Channel wish to correct the RobertMBlevins false information post on Dropzone: re- the January 5th episode of "AMERICA DECLASSIFIED" will be a new, previously unseen episode about the Tena Bar money find. It will feature new people and a new science team put together to examine the Tena Bar - Cooper money find in 1980, and related matters. . It is regrettable that Mr. Blevins assertion about this being a re-run was posted on Dropzone. Mr. Blevins assertions are wrong! Mr. Blevins should confirm facts before he posts false assertions and information, which is his habit to do at Dropzone and elsewhere. Thank you.

Not really. (On the liklihood that it is doubtful the bills could have passed through the system without detection.) This is VERY possible. Currently in the US, there are about 4.4 BILLION twenty dollar bills in circulation. Let's cut that in half for 1971, although I don't have a number on that. But let's say TWO billion in circulation back then. Quotes from the Treasury Department rep in 2010, regarding any search for the Cooper bills: 1) Rep states that due to the number of worn out bills that arrive at Printing and Engraving in DC each day for destruction, any search ordered by the FBI would have been either very short-term or basically ignored. He quotes the job as impossible. Uses word 'truckloads' to describe the amounts, although that is probably an overstatement. In any case, had the Cooper bills eventually reached P and E years later, no one was looking for them anyway by that time. (See below) 2) Rep states that back before computers were really in use, worn bills were checked to see if they were counterfeit, the denominations and total daily amounts recorded, and then they were shredded and replaced with new bills for circulation. Numbers were not recorded on the shredded bills. (I did not ask him if they recorded numbers today) EDIT: After a quick check at Google, I discovered they DO record the serial numbers of worn bills today. Statement from Larry Carr, Seattle FBI: Most banks gave up searching their incoming twenties within three months after the list of bills was issued. All had ceased looking after six months. The Federal Reserve banks looked for the longest period of all these entities, but they eventually gave it up as well. Ralph Himmelsbach has claimed that Treasury looked for 'years'. The rep I spoke to disputed that idea strongly. He actually laughed about it. My thought is that Treasury and the FBI did not cooperate with this effort quite as much as the FBI would have liked, due to the sheer magnitude of such a search. (Today, they would just scan all the incoming bills and wait for a hit on one or more of the numbers) Easy conclusion: After a minimum of six months, it would be reletively safe for the hijacker to pass off the money almost any way he wished without fear of getting caught. Because no one is actually LOOKING for the bills anymore. 1973: Attorney General John Mitchell (yes, THAT one LOL) issued a list of the bills publicly, but only a few newspapers bothered to print it. A Portland newspaper printed the complete list and offered a reward to anyone finding one of the bills. Nothing was ever submitted and the reward program was eventually ended. To Grey Cop: If you had REALLY solved the case and the case agent in Seattle REALLY agreed with you...they would have gone public with it already and you would be on David Letterman the following week. That's a pretty good impersonation, Blevins. Pretty funny. Can you do John Wayne or Marilyn Monroe? "eventually reached P and E" ? Pluto and Earth ? play this script 200 more times! eventually reach P and E orbit.

I agree a bill showing up would not prove that Cooper survived, but the circumstances of the find might play a part in the probability of that. I think the dump theory is interesting - just not sure about the massive amount of follow-up that would be required to go anywhere with it. I'm just not seeing a paper trail here - especially if illegal dumping was going on. But kudos if flytrack or someone goes somewhere with it. If nothing else though, on first glance it seems that Flytrack has presented a viable alternative to how the money might have arrived to Tena Bar. And in a fast moving flood situation, the bag of money wouldn't have had to stay in the water long to get there either. What is the normal (and flood) speed of the water between the dump and TBAR,,, it is about 6 miles,, estimation,, the Williamette at Portland speed in normal conditions travels at almost 1 ft/second 6 miles is 31860 feet or seconds, that is 528 minutes or 8.8 hours in the water,, check my math.. a flood condition may be quicker. A paper bag would begin to deteriorate after getting wet, but would hold the cash long enough to get it intact on TBAR.. SPECULATION,,, of course .. ASK BLEVINS! HE HAS THE FBI REPORTS! DIRECT FROM THE PALMER FAMILY! Hint: Bradley used 3 ft per second.

I agree a bill showing up would not prove that Cooper survived, but the circumstances of the find might play a part in the probability of that. I think the dump theory is interesting - just not sure about the massive amount of follow-up that would be required to go anywhere with it. I'm just not seeing a paper trail here - especially if illegal dumping was going on. But kudos if flytrack or someone goes somewhere with it. If nothing else though, on first glance it seems that Flytrack has presented a viable alternative to how the money might have arrived to Tena Bar. And in a fast moving flood situation, the bag of money wouldn't have had to stay in the water long to get there either. Whole bag scenario requires a lot of sand to cover it up so it isn't seen afterwards. Whole lot of sand spread over N square feet. hmmm... an amount equivalent to: hmmm ... a dredging scenario? You have to account not only for money arriving at Tina Bar but also not being seen, and not being seen for t-amount of time, however much $$$ was deposited in one or more events. A bushel of sand? A pickup of sand )spread over...)? A dump truck of sand spread over ??? You get the point! Stop guessing! Ask Blevins - he has the FBI reports on the matter! Her Blevins IS your resident expert on all these matters. He has the FBI reports! Probably direct from Carr!

I never meant to establish that the lack of money turning up ONLY leads to a suspect outside the US, (hence my demolished house dump theory) My goal was to come up with NEW theories as my assumption is that the most obvious ones have been explored.. if the nearly 200,000 grand was dispersed into the system, I would expect at least one bill to turn up somewhere, but no bills turning up doesn't exclude the possibility that they all made it to destruction unnoticed. Further, in the context of other information/theories, there has been suggestions that "Cooper" could be a foreigner. The circumstantial details for my "foreign" suspect are mind blowing, but inconclusive.. So, this is logic, the lack of money found in the system (ex TBAR) supports a foreigner in the context of other information. The lack of money does not advance a US citizen whatsoever, it is a dead end logically. Though it is entirely possible the money was spent in the US and never found in the system, that assumption doesn't move the ball anywhere and the ball hasn't moved for a long time. EDIT, Simply, no money turning up = US or foreigner while money turning up = US, so the lack of money is meaningless to advance exclusively a US person as a suspect. BTW, I am not in the US, so perhaps I might bring a different perspective. I almost hate to say this, but ... remember this post if you will. It will come into play again, inevitably. Thanks. G.

Right....that's why the list of bills issued to the NW banks, the Fed, and the casinos, was 34 pages of 10,000 non-sequential numbers. So the selection of bills given to the hijacker could be easily tracked and stuff. (*laughs*) You are kidding, right? Blevins, You should read Himmelsbach's book sometime. No kidding. Robert99 I've read it. Reality Check: 10,000 non-sequential serial numbers. Bills gathered in a quick-fast New York hurry. Thirty-four page list of these numbers issued to the Fed, all NW banks, casinos. All were asked to check each and every of their incoming twenties. This list available at the FBI's website. All of these entities gave up the effort within three to six months. Treasury probably didn't even bother, although the Fed banks did for (likely) the same amount of time. But since they see many more twenties than your average local bank, that effort was almost certainly short-term. Tellers would have been walking off the job, being asked to check each twenty against that 34-page nightmare for months on end. Have you actually LOOKED at the list? You should. Do you dispute these things? If so, I will link you to the radio interview with Larry Carr and present the list. I think I addressed Robert99's post just fine, thank you. As usual, you ignored any points and went for the Blevins Thing.

Right....that's why the list of bills issued to the NW banks, the Fed, and the casinos, was 34 pages of 10,000 non-sequential numbers. So the selection of bills given to the hijacker could be easily tracked and stuff. (*laughs*) You are kidding, right? Blevins, You should read Himmelsbach's book sometime. No kidding. Robert99 I've read it. Reality Check: 10,000 non-sequential serial numbers. Bills gathered in a quick-fast New York hurry. Thirty-four page list of these numbers issued to the Fed, all NW banks, casinos. All were asked to check each and every of their incoming twenties. This list available at the FBI's website. All of these entities gave up the effort within three to six months. Treasury probably didn't even bother. Do you dispute these things? If so, I will link you to the radio interview with Larry Carr and present the list. REALITY CHECK FOR YOU! The point is, Blevins, you dont know what R99 is saying and you haven't addressed what he's saying! Go back and read 99's post a number of times. Maybe you will git it! (but I doubt it). You are still an ardent NEWBIE repeating lines and scripts after four years. You seem to have too much TUDE (your word). Maybe better to find a new hobby you can pretend to be an expert on rather than risk further exposure to an increasingly hostile audience here and elsewhere ?

PSE PIGGY BACK SOME OTHER DOG! ITS FLYJACK PRESENTING THE THEORY - NOT ME!

++++1 all ears ...

Mark, your questions above are completely valid and will be answered in due time. But at this specific moment, I must devote all my time to laying a foundation and smoothing the road ahead. Therefore, I will be concentrating on posting relative to the flight path data that is already released and to preparing for future discussions on that matter. Robert99 Contacted someone who has the missing water level data is: They promised it asap after Jan 1. That's the best I can do right now.. G.

The Travel Channel is doing another segment on DB Cooper. It will be aired on Sunday night, January 5th. The show is called AMERICA DECLASSIFIED. ... this segment will discuss the Tina Bar discovery site, which we spent two days at filming last July. Travel Channel -

Like R99, I think your theory involving the dump is completely valid. I think it's a low probability theory but it is a possibility. I don't know any 'markers' in the money that would connect with a dump specifically, or the slough specifically, but this is in the early phase and I rather think people are pondering the issue. As far as this forum is concerned - its the best thing that has come up here in a long time ... and it's REFRESHING to have! Congrats!

thanks, Ill try that for any links, Yes, the slough would be rich with Diatoms, but I thought the analysis on the money was inconclusive,, some found then not found/detected?? Further the Dump is close to the outlet into the Williamette, what would the water be like in a flood??? The cash may have been "repackaged" when stashed... plastic bag no obvious diatoms were found, according to Kaye. thats all I know. This is from Kaye's website. "The modern bills soaked in the Columbia River were examined using a scanning electron microscope (SEM.) At least three different species of fresh water diatoms were found immediately. Subsequent examination of the Cooper bills found no diatoms. Not seeing any diatoms on the Cooper bills does not guarantee that they are not there, so any final conclusions on this would be speculative." Correct. Others tests were pending but never happened ...

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thanks, Ill try that for any links, Yes, the slough would be rich with Diatoms, but I thought the analysis on the money was inconclusive,, some found then not found/detected?? Further the Dump is close to the outlet into the Williamette, what would the water be like in a flood??? The cash may have been "repackaged" when stashed... plastic bag no obvious diatoms were found, according to Kaye. thats all I know.

What story is a take off??? are you just trying to discredit me.. by associating me with someone else that may or may not exist,,, I am not playing games... I may be newer to this but that can be a positive or a negative.. There are lots of ways the cash could have been dislodged in the Columbia Slough.. There is even a garbage landfill in the Slough that was operational late 70's.. http://www.oregonmetro.gov/index.cfm/go/by.web/id=25126 I am creating a logic tree and one branch is that the money came from the landfill in the slough, was not intentionally thrown out, may have been hidden in a house that was torn down and all debris dumped,, Any homes torn down in the late 1970's.. after the owner died... Pay no attention to Jo. She claims to own every idea in the Cooper catalog. Your theory offers a real world idea of how Cooper money could have come to Tina Bar. JT claimed to have released ping-pong balls in the Washougal and they came to rest on Tina Bar ... a claim yet to be documented! A claim like yours was advanced here by Farflung some years back, involving construction on Hayden or Govt Island - I forget which.. You might want to do a search of his post on that. What dates of passage do you have in mind? And, what species of diatoms dominate in the slough you are focusing on! ? ... Flyjack, can you give the precise location of the Columbia Slough that you are talking about? Further, do you know the dates that construction started and finished on the Flushing Channel between the Columbia River and Vancouver Lake? The river entrance is just south (upstream) of Caterpillar Island. And Flyjack, if you are a resident of the Portland/Vancouver area, do you know when the marina was built that is now between Caterpillar Island and the "mainland"? Finally, does anyone know of a source (hopefully with a link that works!) for the Columbia River data at Vancouver for the period from November 24,1971 to December 31, 1972? Things are moving and time is of the essence! Robert99 I am not from the Portland area.. The St. Johns Landfill/dump was operational in the 70's and is at the East end of the Columbia Slough close to the Williamette. maybe a 3-4 mile float to TBar, has this been considered as a possible source of the cash?? If the cash came from the dump, it wouldn't have been thrown out intentionally, perhaps the cash was stashed in a house, maybe the owner had died and the cash was abandoned. The house was demoed and the debris dumped.. So, a dead previous owner matched to a demolished house in 1978-9ish. I found another location in the Slough that looks like a back yard of an old house that had a slide into the Slough, if the cash were buried in the yard, the slide may have put it in the water. Ironically, I found a small culvert that connects to drainage ponds/ditches at the Southern side of the Airport,,, it currently dumps into the Waterway.. So, there are many ways that cash could have made its way into the Columbia Slough, but the dump is interesting as the cash could have been stashed "protected"" in a house or structure (container) for years first.. Since it is unlikely that the cash was out in the elements anywhere for 6-8 years. It seems probable that it was stashed, hidden and dislodged by mechanical means prior to TBar... It was an active landfill through the "Cooper" 1971-1980 timeframe "14 million tons of garbage Located in north Portland near the confluence of the Columbia and Willamette rivers, the 238-acre St. Johns Landfill is situated in Metro’s Smith and Bybee Wetlands Natural Area, the largest protected wetland within an American city. By the early 1960s, the former lakebed was filled with garbage to the edge of its surrounding levee. Although the majority of waste in the landfill is domestic solid waste, industrial waste from a pesticide-manufacturing facility also was disposed in the landfill between 1958 and 1962. Metro estimates that up to 14 million tons of waste were disposed in the landfill site during its years of operation." Dates these dumps were affected by high water 1971-1980 ? Still looking for water levels.. though the activity may have dislodged it. EDIT

What story is a take off??? are you just trying to discredit me.. by associating me with someone else that may or may not exist,,, I am not playing games... I may be newer to this but that can be a positive or a negative.. There are lots of ways the cash could have been dislodged in the Columbia Slough.. There is even a garbage landfill in the Slough that was operational late 70's.. http://www.oregonmetro.gov/index.cfm/go/by.web/id=25126 I am creating a logic tree and one branch is that the money came from the landfill in the slough, was not intentionally thrown out, may have been hidden in a house that was torn down and all debris dumped,, Any homes torn down in the late 1970's.. after the owner died... Pay no attention to Jo. She claims to own every idea in the Cooper catalog. Your theory offers a real world idea of how Cooper money could have come to Tina Bar. JT claimed to have released ping-pong balls in the Washougal and they came to rest on Tina Bar ... a claim yet to be documented! A claim like yours was advanced here by Farflung some years back, involving construction on Hayden or Govt Island - I forget which.. You might want to do a search of his post on that. What dates of passage do you have in mind? And, what species of diatoms dominate in the slough you are focusing on! ? ... Flyjack, can you give the precise location of the Columbia Slough that you are talking about? Further, do you know the dates that construction started and finished on the Flushing Channel between the Columbia River and Vancouver Lake? The river entrance is just south (upstream) of Caterpillar Island. And Flyjack, if you are a resident of the Portland/Vancouver area, do you know when the marina was built that is now between Caterpillar Island and the "mainland"? Finally, does anyone know of a source (hopefully with a link that works!) for the Columbia River data at Vancouver for the period from November 24,1971 to December 31, 1972? Things are moving and time is of the essence! Robert99 I am not from the Portland area.. The St. Johns Landfill/dump was operational in the 70's and is at the East end of the Columbia Slough close to the Williamette. maybe a 3-4 mile float to TBar, has this been considered as a possible source of the cash?? If the cash came from the dump, it wouldn't have been thrown out intentionally, perhaps the cash was stashed in a house, maybe the owner had died and the cash was abandoned. The house was demoed and the debris dumped.. So, a dead previous owner matched to a demolished house in 1978-9ish. I found another location in the Slough that looks like a back yard of an old house that had a slide into the Slough, if the cash were buried in the yard, the slide may have put it in the water. Ironically, I found a small culvert that connects to drainage ponds/ditches at the Southern side of the Airport,,, it currently dumps into the Waterway.. So, there are many ways that cash could have made its way into the Columbia Slough, but the dump is interesting as the cash could have been stashed "protected"" in a house or structure (container) for years first.. Since it is unlikely that the cash was out in the elements anywhere for 6-8 years. It seems probable that it was stashed, hidden and dislodged by mechanical means prior to TBar... It was an active landfill through the "Cooper" 1971-1980 timeframe "14 million tons of garbage Located in north Portland near the confluence of the Columbia and Willamette rivers, the 238-acre St. Johns Landfill is situated in Metro’s Smith and Bybee Wetlands Natural Area, the largest protected wetland within an American city. By the early 1960s, the former lakebed was filled with garbage to the edge of its surrounding levee. Although the majority of waste in the landfill is domestic solid waste, industrial waste from a pesticide-manufacturing facility also was disposed in the landfill between 1958 and 1962. Metro estimates that up to 14 million tons of waste were disposed in the landfill site during its years of operation." Dates these dumps were affected by high water 1971-1980 ?

What story is a take off??? are you just trying to discredit me.. by associating me with someone else that may or may not exist,,, I am not playing games... I may be newer to this but that can be a positive or a negative.. There are lots of ways the cash could have been dislodged in the Columbia Slough.. There is even a garbage landfill in the Slough that was operational late 70's.. http://www.oregonmetro.gov/index.cfm/go/by.web/id=25126 I am creating a logic tree and one branch is that the money came from the landfill in the slough, was not intentionally thrown out, may have been hidden in a house that was torn down and all debris dumped,, Any homes torn down in the late 1970's.. after the owner died... Pay no attention to Jo. She claims to own every idea in the Cooper catalog. Your theory offers a real world idea of how Cooper money could have come to Tina Bar. JT claimed to have released ping-pong balls in the Washougal and they came to rest on Tina Bar ... a claim yet to be documented! A claim like yours was advanced here by Farflung some years back, involving construction on Hayden or Govt Island - I forget which.. You might want to do a search of his post on that. What dates of passage do you have in mind? And, what species of diatoms dominate in the slough you are focusing on! ? ...

Your redirection above wont work! The issue is FACTS vs. SMUT. You dont know the difference. And like the above, you don't mind getting personal to skirt the issue. You say "most people will think this or think that, say this or say that, blah blah blah..." All smut peddlers say they speak for THE PEOPLE! Say just once you speak "for all salamanders" or "buffalo"? That would be just as accurate.

From Scott Rolle, former prosecutor for the State of Maryland, and former JAG officer: ***'My sense of Bernie was that he was (to use a police term) squirrelly during our interview. I found it interesting that he would throw his ex under the bus and basically say SHE could have been an accomplice. I had no reason to think he was drunk (no smell or the like) but he seemed a bit dimwitted. I don't feel he told us everything he knows, and his denials were tepid. I am not prepared to say with certainly that Bernie helped Kenny in this case. As a person trained and highly experienced in body language and questioning witnesses, I found Bernie a tough nut to crack in the sense that he appeared credible to a certain extent, and he even cried at one point. However, he left out large chunks of information. I wish I'd had the information on the tugboat records going missing as I would have pressed him hard on that. Hope this helps you... I love this case and this was my favorite episode out of the 23 that we did...' From associate producer Peter Berg: Additional from Peter Berg: Berg, regarding witness Helen Jones: Notes from Robert Blevins: At the time of filming, many key pieces of information regarding Geestman and Christiansen were not available to the cast and crew of Decoded, or the production staff. Also, Bernie Geestman did not park the Airstream trailer with a co-owner. It was parked on his undeveloped property with the shop building down in Oakville, and was returned to Bonney Lake after the date of the hijacking. Foss Tugs senior exec has testified that Geestman was NOT gone for 'ten to eleven months' in 1971. Production executive Marisa Kagan also testified that Bernie Geestman, prior to his agreement to an interview, called his sister (witness Dawn Andrusko) and demanded she retract everything she had said in her interview for Into The Blast. She refused to do so, but also refused to appear on camera, citing that she did not want to testify on-air against her own brother. As you can see from the comments above, they are not a ringing endorsement of either Geestman, his wife, or Christiansen as being involved. But they are not the thoughts of people who were convinced of these peoples' innocence either. Some time after all these comments were made, all of the people listed were provided a copy of the KC report. (EDIT: I made a mistake on one quote back there, attributing it to Marisa Kagan and Rob Blumenstein. It was actually Pete Berg. FIXED.) To Shutter: I'm pretty busy right now, but this weekend I will make changes to the DB Cooper page at AB of Seattle. I will change the Bonney Lake house sale reference to simply: I will leave it at that. Anything else I will release next summer with the Cooperland book. Pure smut. Smut is porn. I don't see any porn up there. I see honest and heartfelt comments by identified and known people. And as I stated in the edit, I kept all the emails and Facebook messages from where the comments originated. Verification and second sources. I learned that by reading All The President's Men, which I think should be required reading for any Journalism 101 class in America. I appreciate your skill in cracking numbers. That's great. But when a piece of human-generated truth is presented, you just can't handle it. You think those people didn't say those things? Think I made the whole thing up? They are all falsely quoted? Go ahead and say so...IF you have any proof of same otherwise I will consider it nothing more than slander and a cheap shot. 'It's smut' (?) That's all you got? And I thought you went to college and stuff... Sorry Blevins - you don't get to redefine the word! Smut: 1. a. A particle of dirt. b. A smudge made by soot, smoke, or dirt. 2. a. Obscenity in speech or writing. Smut: Highly developed stories and plot lines that appeal to the prurient interests of the author devoid of sound research or logic, often used to promote or solicit the vilification or defaming of a person or idea. Can be in comic form, or in written form (as in romance or conspiracy books) b. Pornography. 3. a. Any of various plant diseases, especially of cereal grasses, caused by parasitic fungi of the order Ustilaginales that form black powdery masses of spores on the affected parts. b. A fungus causing such a disease. Virtually everything you write is smut of one form or another... Really? How exactly? Did you get that definition from Wiki or something? I see it includes porn, which is the most common definition. How exactly are those comments 'smut'? Are they lies? Are they false quotes I simply made up? If so...you should PROVE they are or stuff it into your back pocket. In reality, you haven't said a thing about those comments except to take cheap shots. And if you quote my post over again with another slanderous comment without proof...I will go to our moderator Quade about it. Just saying. And the reason I will do that is because I can prove that is exactly what those people said. If you have personal issues regarding me personally, that's YOUR problem. what is missing from your shallow little preconceived agenda is any hint of sound research and/or logic. You have the wild idea you get to make the bait and the rules too - leading to your set of conclusions every time! A core ingredient for smut. People have criticised you for this since the day you came here. Why you think you can keep brow-beating people with it and have it not get noticed (finally!) speaks to your motives and a severe lack of sensitivity to REALITY HOTEL on your part. Play it again Sam!