georger

From Scott Rolle, former prosecutor for the State of Maryland, and former JAG officer: ***'My sense of Bernie was that he was (to use a police term) squirrelly during our interview. I found it interesting that he would throw his ex under the bus and basically say SHE could have been an accomplice. I had no reason to think he was drunk (no smell or the like) but he seemed a bit dimwitted. I don't feel he told us everything he knows, and his denials were tepid. I am not prepared to say with certainly that Bernie helped Kenny in this case. As a person trained and highly experienced in body language and questioning witnesses, I found Bernie a tough nut to crack in the sense that he appeared credible to a certain extent, and he even cried at one point. However, he left out large chunks of information. I wish I'd had the information on the tugboat records going missing as I would have pressed him hard on that. Hope this helps you... I love this case and this was my favorite episode out of the 23 that we did...' From associate producer Peter Berg: Additional from Peter Berg: Berg, regarding witness Helen Jones: Notes from Robert Blevins: At the time of filming, many key pieces of information regarding Geestman and Christiansen were not available to the cast and crew of Decoded, or the production staff. Also, Bernie Geestman did not park the Airstream trailer with a co-owner. It was parked on his undeveloped property with the shop building down in Oakville, and was returned to Bonney Lake after the date of the hijacking. Foss Tugs senior exec has testified that Geestman was NOT gone for 'ten to eleven months' in 1971. Production executive Marisa Kagan also testified that Bernie Geestman, prior to his agreement to an interview, called his sister (witness Dawn Andrusko) and demanded she retract everything she had said in her interview for Into The Blast. She refused to do so, but also refused to appear on camera, citing that she did not want to testify on-air against her own brother. As you can see from the comments above, they are not a ringing endorsement of either Geestman, his wife, or Christiansen as being involved. But they are not the thoughts of people who were convinced of these peoples' innocence either. Some time after all these comments were made, all of the people listed were provided a copy of the KC report. (EDIT: I made a mistake on one quote back there, attributing it to Marisa Kagan and Rob Blumenstein. It was actually Pete Berg. FIXED.) To Shutter: I'm pretty busy right now, but this weekend I will make changes to the DB Cooper page at AB of Seattle. I will change the Bonney Lake house sale reference to simply: I will leave it at that. Anything else I will release next summer with the Cooperland book. Pure smut. You don't get to redefine the word - sorry! Smut: 1. a. A particle of dirt. b. A smudge made by soot, smoke, or dirt. 2. a. Obscenity in speech or writing. Smut: Highly developed stories and plot lines that appeal to the prurient interests of the author devoid of sound research or logic, often used to promote or solicit the vilification or defaming of a person or idea. Can be in comic form, or in written form (as in romance or conspiracy books) b. Pornography. 3. a. Any of various plant diseases, especially of cereal grasses, caused by parasitic fungi of the order Ustilaginales that form black powdery masses of spores on the affected parts. b. A fungus causing such a disease. Virtually everything you write is smut of one form or another...

Let me get my two cents worth in here. The equation in the post earlier is for vertical motion and does not include horizontal motion. Adding the horizontal motion VASTLY complicates the mathematics. So that is why "rules of thumb" are the easiest way to go. Basically, the forward horizontal motion for the 225 MPH airliner airspeed at which Cooper jumped/fell off/or was thrown off the stairs, is cancelled out in about 10-15 seconds. After that, the motion is straight down with respect to the air mass (which will be moving horizontally depending on the wind). Cooper's speed, both the horizontal and vertical components, depends on his body's orientation with respect to the free stream air velocity vector. Assume that vector is parallel to and opposing Cooper's "fall path" motion. If Cooper falls the entire distance from the stairs to the ground in a "stable spread skydiving position", he will be doing about 120 MPH when he reaches sea level (Portland is essentially at sea level). Consequently, it will take him about 60 seconds to reach the ground from the airliner. If Cooper falls the entire distance head first, he will be doing about 180 MPH when he reaches sea level. That would take about 40 seconds to reach the ground from the airliner. But in reality, Cooper will be tumbling and the fall time will likely be somewhere between 40 and 60 seconds to reach the ground. If anyone feels that Cooper will not be tumbling in a free fall, please advise what reference he is going to be using to stabilize himself in view of the cloud layers, relatively low visibility at altitude, and darkness. Robert99 vertical component caught by camera The picture seems to have been made during the FBI drop tests. And contrary to what the picture seems to indicate, the vertical velocity of the dropped item is quite low since it only separated from the aircraft about a second earlier. The horizontal velocity of the dropped item is still about 160 MPH (about the same speed as the aircraft) at this early point in the drop. But in about 10 or 15 seconds the horizontal velocity of the dropped item will be zero (in a calm atmosphere) and all the speed will be vertical for the rest of the way down. At this point only the standard gravitational equations apply and the item will continue to accelerate until its aerodynamic drag is equal to its weight. For your information, I have NEVER seen the horizontal motion of a falling object treated in a physics textbook. They always use the standard gravitational equations and deal only with vertical motion. Basically, the vertical motion only problems can be solved by hand. Adding horizontal motion, the problem becomes (if I remember correctly) a quadratic nonlinear equation, or system of such equations, that can make good use of a Cray supercomputer. Robert99 well in my high school we plotted and calculated the paths of artillery shells and falling objects etc ... ad nauseum. Mr Tedor our instructor a former artillery officer with Patton! In any event, your numbers are close to mine, where I use 160mph. And yes, this is using those drop test high speed frames. Distance reference is the width of the wheel, a standard 727 wheel (~50"). And yes. the surprise to me is between frames t1 and t2 the stairs are already fully closed! First time I saw this I thought: 'this cant be!?' There is every reason to suppose these are consecutive frames but even if they arent the quick closure of the stairs is a surprise, unless I am missing something. The caveat is: is the drop test representative of what the stars did during Cooper's jump? This actually agrees with a comment one of the Boeing guys made during interviews, that 'they had calculated the closure time of the stairs and it was fast' - he wondered if the stairs had snagged Cooper jumping? (H had this on his list of 'reasons Cooper probably died')... Well ... you are looking at the frames. Possibly interesting. This is what I referenced months ago but never finished posting...

Let me get my two cents worth in here. The equation in the post earlier is for vertical motion and does not include horizontal motion. Adding the horizontal motion VASTLY complicates the mathematics. So that is why "rules of thumb" are the easiest way to go. Basically, the forward horizontal motion for the 225 MPH airliner airspeed at which Cooper jumped/fell off/or was thrown off the stairs, is cancelled out in about 10-15 seconds. After that, the motion is straight down with respect to the air mass (which will be moving horizontally depending on the wind). Cooper's speed, both the horizontal and vertical components, depends on his body's orientation with respect to the free stream air velocity vector. Assume that vector is parallel to and opposing Cooper's "fall path" motion. If Cooper falls the entire distance from the stairs to the ground in a "stable spread skydiving position", he will be doing about 120 MPH when he reaches sea level (Portland is essentially at sea level). Consequently, it will take him about 60 seconds to reach the ground from the airliner. If Cooper falls the entire distance head first, he will be doing about 180 MPH when he reaches sea level. That would take about 40 seconds to reach the ground from the airliner. But in reality, Cooper will be tumbling and the fall time will likely be somewhere between 40 and 60 seconds to reach the ground. If anyone feels that Cooper will not be tumbling in a free fall, please advise what reference he is going to be using to stabilize himself in view of the cloud layers, relatively low visibility at altitude, and darkness. Robert99 vertical component caught by camera

If so...you definitely shoulder some of the blame. Not all, but SOME. You're still doing the same things you were doing four years ago over at The Science Forum. Saw your posts there. They got seriously tired of you and The 'Tude within two weeks... Maybe you should return to your CIA-NSA Super Secret Squirrel discussions via PM. It's all circumstantial and speculative. I know you don't like me. Go have a banana split.

Amazing! Why would Kaye be on a NatGeo special BEFORE he had tested, met Larry etal and run tests at T-Bar, etc etc etc? For NatGeo to report on what hadnt even happened yet !!!!! ????? The Tuesday bus does not leave on Monday from two weeks from now, or on Thursday from three weeks before! To get Granny home tomorrow! Don't be a smart ass. I haven't actually had the pleasure of seeing this show. Believe it or not, I don't DVR every Cooper reference on Tee Wee. Then why does Kaye say one thing for NatGeo and another to Geoff Gray? Instead of harping on ME...maybe you should direct your question to Tom Kaye, shouldn't you? He's the one with the discrepancy going here, obviously. He tells NatGeo program (as you say) the money came down the Lewis River. Later, his CZ website and statements for the Gray book give a different story. Stop coming down on ME for HIS stuff. You know his email. Ask him. Blevins, you deficit in math and keeping time really is a deterrent to a normal life. I understand your frustrations.

It's all circumstantial and speculative.

I can accept just about everything you say here, because Im in a hurry. Nice review! The paragraph below stands out: Sure I am nit picking, but accuracy is very important in non fiction. That said, the story is both interesting and entertaining. Jack was quite a character and it's fun to read about his life. In spite of all the book errors Jack Collins seemed to have the skills needed to be Cooper. Does the author present any probative evidence to support the title: My father Was DB Cooper? The answer is no. It's all circumstantial and speculative. Good work!

Amazing! Why would Kaye be on a NatGeo special BEFORE he had tested, met Larry etal and run tests at T-Bar, etc etc etc? For NatGeo to report on what hadnt even happened yet !!!!! ????? The Tuesday bus does not leave on Monday from two weeks from now, or on Thursday from three weeks before! To get Granny home tomorrow! Don't be a smart ass. I haven't actually had the pleasure of seeing this show. Believe it or not, I don't DVR every Cooper reference on Tee Wee. Then why does Kaye say one thing for NatGeo and another to Geoff Gray? Instead of harping on ME...maybe you should direct your question to Tom Kaye, shouldn't you? He's the one with the discrepancy going here, obviously. He tells NatGeo program (as you say) the money came down the Lewis River. Later, his CZ website and statements for the Gray book give a different story. Stop coming down on ME for HIS stuff. You know his email. Ask him. Ask Tom Kaye or consult the "Grey Cop Perort" !

Can you prove that it wasn't happily planted,, I have a picture, I believe could be related from my suspect, it is of a steel truss bridge, it has a position drawn on it, a box shape with a w squiggle, at least it sort of looks that way. At first I thought it was Bridge of the Gods based on the mountains in the back but I am not that familiar with the bridges in the area in the 1970s. Maybe it is one of the other bridges, It is possible that the money was stashed at one of the truss bridges closer to where the money was found, it became dislodged, floated downstream and was found on the sand bar. This picture looks like it has a fence and some lights, like lamp posts.. hard to tell could be a parking area or storage.. but it might not be accurate today. There is no major bridge near where it was found! Above water, or below water, or in Spain either! JHC! Has this thread gone mushugannah?

Amazing! Why would Kaye be on a NatGeo special BEFORE he had tested, met Larry etal and run tests at T-Bar, etc etc etc? For NatGeo to report on what hadnt even happened yet !!!!! ????? The Tuesday bus does not leave on Monday from two weeks from now, or on Thursday from three weeks before! To get Granny home tomorrow!

That post put a smile on my face. It's odd Blevins would make a comment(s) like that, especially since he says he has the Palmer report. The Palmer report addresses this issue specifically! Read the Palmer Report Mr. Blevins. Wasn't meant to be funny. I never read whatever was in the Manila envelope. Just glanced at it mostly. Gayla shredded it later. Yes. I don't believe the money was there for eight years before being found. I don't think anything would have been left of it. It's very wet up here and paper is biodegradable. Seven or so winters in the Pacific Northwest? Constant rain, etc. Mush. That's what would have remained, if that. And I still believe the Tina Bar money creates more questions than its finding actually answers. Would have been easier to explain had an amount equal to one bundle or less had been found. In that case, it could have come from anywhere. I agree with Kaye's assessment: human intervention was involved. Ok, let me start off with I don't know the answer to this, but I have to respond anyway. First, I DO know money is not made out of paper (75% cotton/ 25% linen). I don't know how long it takes to biodegrade, but I don't think it you can say it's the same as paper. Second, Kaye suggested the money arrived by "non natural means", he didn't say "human intervention". I don't know what Kaye means, but I don't think you're saying the same thing . (NOTE TO SELF: Attach YouTube link to the "Jump to conclusions mat" from the movie "Office Space"). What does Tom mean by "non natural means" ? In the NatGeo special "The Skyjacker That Got Away" ... Tom Kaye very clearly states a theory that "the money was transported to Tina Bar by water", from the Lewis River. In this special Tom relies on the FBI flight map 'as is', with a drop time of 8:10. Depending on amount of drift, Tom places Cooper's landing in either the Lewis River or Lake Merwin ... the money (and Cooper in his chute) are transported south in the Lewis to the Columbia. Tom posits the money bag and Cooper in his chute were snagged by a passing freighter and dragged a few miles back up stream, until in the vicinity of Tina Bar the money bag spills its contents with a few bundles washing up on Tina Bar. That is what I believe Tom means by " "non natural means". Not a plant, not an intentional deposit, but an accidental deposition via water involving "non natural means" intervention some time before the money was found in 1980. Nowhere in this presentation does Tom mention 'print bleeding between bills' or 'float bill separation tests' etc ...

(Guessing here, since Mitchell first says he didn't notice Cooper being swarthy or dark skin tone, but then says he didn't recall seeing a pretty white guy. This doesn't make a lot of sense. I would have to listen to the audio to see if the transcription is correct. I would guess Mitchell actually MEANT to say he didn't recall seeing anything but a pretty white guy. Hard to tell what he really meant there. If the audio is accurate with the transcript, then this question should be re-addressed with Mitchell.) NOTE: I don't believe Mitchell was interviewed by Geoff Gray. I think the only Mitchell testimony Gray used was from Gray's access to the FBI witness reports. In that, Mitchell claimed the hijacker was no more than five foot nine. Quote from the Dawn Andrusko interview, sister of Bernie Geestman: ***'I asked her if Kenny had ever worn a toupee. She said yes, but added that he never wore it on the job, only socially sometimes and not very often. I pinned her down on the last time she had actually seen him wear it. No, she said, she had not seen him wear it after 1971. He had taken to wearing baseball hats instead...' Edit: No need to bother Porteous on this one. Mitchell's contact info and address is public record. I am printing up material for him right now. I'd like to say somthing about the interview done by the museum. These folks are great at running a museum. Proof is in the results of the museum. But in my humble opinion, they are lousy at doing effective interviews, and missed several key questions they could have asked, and failed to follow-up with clarification requests when Mitchell gave the occasional confusing answer. They also kept cutting off his answers with new questions, without clarifying his previous responses. Poor interview technique, but interesting interview anyway. One good rule of interviewing is this: If people are going to ramble in their responses, let them finish doing so (without cutting them off) and record everything. According to the following article, Mitchell has already given an answer on Christiansen. http://voices.yahoo.com/1971-db-cooper-letters-linked-suspect-william-gossett-7516448.html This has been posted before at least four times now (or more!), in various forms. Blevins either rejected or ignored it each time.

That post put a smile on my face. It's odd Blevins would make a comment(s) like that, especially since he says he has the Palmer report. The Palmer report addresses this issue specifically! Read the Palmer Report Mr. Blevins. Wasn't meant to be funny. I never read whatever was in the Manila envelope. Just glanced at it mostly. Gayla shredded it later. Yes. I don't believe the money was there for eight years before being found. I don't think anything would have been left of it. It's very wet up here and paper is biodegradable. Seven or so winters in the Pacific Northwest? Constant rain, etc. Mush. That's what would have remained, if that. And I still believe the Tina Bar money creates more questions than its finding actually answers. Would have been easier to explain had an amount equal to one bundle or less had been found. In that case, it could have come from anywhere. I agree with Kaye's assessment: human intervention was involved. Ok, let me start off with I don't know the answer to this, but I have to respond anyway. First, I DO know money is not made out of paper (75% cotton/ 25% linen). I don't know how long it takes to biodegrade, but I don't think it you can say it's the same as paper. Second, Kaye suggested the money arrived by "non natural means", he didn't say "human intervention". I don't know what Kaye means, but I don't think you're saying the same thing . (NOTE TO SELF: Attach YouTube link to the "Jump to conclusions mat" from the movie "Office Space"). You would be correct - on all counts. At least from everything I know. Kaye says ""non natural means" and Blevins immediately jumps to "plant". He likes plants! And conspiracies. On the other hand I don't know what would be covered by "non natural means". Maybe people would get further by not listening to either Kaye or Blevins on this issue!? Since both are extremely sure of their unproven non-solutions. And Blevins has "reviewed" the Palmer report but cant remember it ... and has never quoted, para- phrased, or used it here at Dropzone or anywhere else! But claims he had it (has it?), got it from the Palmer family, and is working with the Palmer family ... blah blah blah. But there is a difference. Tom is probably stating a strict interpretation however dryly without much compromise or compassion. Blevins is just bullshitting everyone. There is the difference.

That post put a smile on my face. It's odd Blevins would make a comment(s) like that, especially since he says he has the Palmer report. The Palmer report addresses this issue specifically! Read the Palmer Report Mr. Blevins. Wasn't meant to be funny. I never read whatever was in the Manila envelope. Just glanced at it mostly. Gayla shredded it later. Yes. I don't believe the money was there for eight years before being found. I don't think anything would have been left of it. It's very wet up here and paper is biodegradable. Seven or so winters in the Pacific Northwest? Constant rain, etc. Mush. That's what would have remained, if that. And I still believe the Tina Bar money creates more questions than its finding actually answers. Would have been easier to explain had an amount equal to one bundle or less had been found. In that case, it could have come from anywhere. I agree with Kaye's assessment: human intervention was involved. Well, do you have a metric of some kind. Like decay rate of the Blevatron .... or an example, like 'pizza rots within a week when left out on a sandbar on the Columbia'? I guess you are rejecting all prior feedback and discussion here over the years, since youve read the thread? You do realise without some metric yours is just an opinion and you know what they say about opinions! ? And you have tons of OPINIONS!

That post put a smile on my face. It's odd Blevins would make a comment(s) like that, especially since he says he has the Palmer report. The Palmer report addresses this issue specifically! Read the Palmer Report Mr. Blevins. [Mt Fuji this morning]

Do NOT make me do this again. I will not hesitate to permaban you. Do NOT post people's personal contact information. Just don't. Sorry. I thought it was okay if they are in the phone book...understood. To Everyone Else: Still haven't seen any proof that Flight 305 was over Tina Bar before it reached Portland. Just saying. I see a lot about past work, but not that particular issue. Maybe it's not necessary to provide any evidence on that. According to Bruce Smith and his telephone interview: Works for me. But then I knew it all along.

Blevins, This IS a "public" thread which is set up as a means of relaying information to many people with similar interests by a single post. As one of the most prolific posters on this thread, I think you have certainly used the thread to relay information that some people were not really remotely interested in. After all, after hearing about KC a few dozen times, and being lectured on publishing books endlessly, plus all the other subjects you have bring up that don't have anything to do with the stated purpose of this thread, what is it that you want to keep out of the public eye? Robert99 And for those who want to go through your fine work on Sluggo's site ... here is the url... just scroll down the left side. Aeronautical Calculations (by Robert99) http://n467us.com/

Blevins, You actually need to read posts before replying to them. I have NEVER said that Cooper impacted into the Columbia River itself! And that is NOT how I explain the Tina Bar money! Again, read the posts and get your memory fixed. Robert99 Well...if Cooper had impacted into the ground anywhere around Tina Bar...they would have found some remains of him by now. Probably within days after the hijacking. It isn't exactly a remote wilderness in that area. And if 305 passed through Portland on the SW side, that turn probably wasn't done until about the time they were reaching Vancouver, not further north. Or, as they say in preschool: HOW DO YOU KNOW!? YOU AINT THE BOSS OF ME! Cause I used to LIVE in Vancouver, that's how I know. Hazel Dell neighborhood, just south of Tina Bar. As far as where Flight 305 was, I believe the map until it's proven to be false, which no one has accomplished yet. So did I! I was born and raised in the State of Washington and used to discuss Cooper's hijacking every Thanksgiving! So... there! NINNY NANNY NOO NOO! Im writing from Tokyo - where are you!? I will keep a copy of you mappola and feed it back to you some day. What else do you believe and spew back when people set it out in front of you, not even knowing the nature of what it is you are looking at? That seems to be a habitual flaw in you! Couple that with the inability to do math and Jesus! That's a fatal impairment for a super-sleuth in heat to have! Kinda of ridiculous if you ask me. No wonder Gray and Porteous cut and ran!! Do you make mappolas for all the girls?

The evidence indicates that my suspect may have been at the North side of the Bridge of the Gods (the escape route), My speculation is that he landed east of the flight path but west of Washougal and east of intended LZ and escape route, he could have dropped some money crossing the Washougal at night, perhaps slipped on rocks and stumbled or fell, he may have had a car stashed somewhere east of the Washougal. (pure speculation in the context of my suspect) I do have a serious question that some here may know,, Is the flight path different between the Mexico and Reno destinations, in other words, did the change to Reno put the plane slightly West of the expected path or would the paths be the same?? I am trying to figure out the "expected" path to Mexico vs "actual" path to Reno.. same or different? On the tie, the titanium was a rare pure form, said not to be found in airplane manufacture, perhaps, I wouldn't rule it out/in. Further, "GreyCopGC148" left out an explanation for all the other particles found on the tie, my suspect has an explanation for all the identified particles found,, Clearly, all suspects are circumstantial until evidence puts him on the plane,, My suspect has the best circumstantial case that i have seen, I have tried to rule him out but can't YET, though I did uncover the existence of a "personal" document that I am very confident I will obtain, so hopefully fingerprints and possible DNA will rule him in or out,,, but that may depend on what the FBI REALLY has,,, BTW.. I was at the Washington Museum Saturday symposium for the Cooper discussion and neither myself nor my suspect is American... and I have not, will not read any Cooper books, I wanted to look at this fresh and objective.. Here is what I have, in general, yes it is circumstantial, I have been trying eliminate him ever since I matched his photo to the Cooper sketch.. NOT US resident re "negotiable American currency" (controversial) Aviation experience/knowledge/interest World traveller WW2 experience in Europe The particles found on the tie are a match YES a match, all of them Age, mid to late 40's in 1971 I used Adobe software to transition an obtained photo of suspect at about age 65-75 with the Cooper sketch, it is an amazing match. The position of eyes, jawline, ears, forehead, hairline, everything lines up EXACTLY.. His hair is a bit odd looking, natural but may be mistaken as a toupee Always wore a tie "Dan Cooper", has proven exposure to the name, but it is not his name NOT swarthy, though that witness sitting near him denied swarthiness.. (recent audio interview) Somewhat effeminate, meek character Works under pressure Multilingual Raleigh's perhaps from Europe WW2 military exposure.. Found evidence that he may have been at the north end of the Bridge of the Gods, a possible escape route,,, Lack of money found circulating,, taken outside US immediately, (I wonder if it could be traced in the banking system if spent outside the US in the 1970's) So, interesting, worth pursuing or not... I have a "blended' image between the Cooper sketch and my suspect that is UNBELIEVABLE, but I am reluctant to let it get into the public sphere at this early stage,,, The evidence indicates that my suspect may have been at the North side of the Bridge of the Gods (the escape route), what evidence? and the Adobe software transitioned photo is ... coming soon to theatres near you?

Blevins, You actually need to read posts before replying to them. I have NEVER said that Cooper impacted into the Columbia River itself! And that is NOT how I explain the Tina Bar money! Again, read the posts and get your memory fixed. Robert99 Well...if Cooper had impacted into the ground anywhere around Tina Bar...they would have found some remains of him by now. Probably within days after the hijacking. It isn't exactly a remote wilderness in that area. And if 305 passed through Portland on the SW side, that turn probably wasn't done until about the time they were reaching Vancouver, not further north. Or, as they say in preschool: HOW DO YOU KNOW!? YOU AINT THE BOSS OF ME!

Your suspect sounds interesting indeed, and should be investigated if what you say is accurate. I only want to venture a couple of comments on the money. Two things: 1) FBI agent Larry Carr, the man assigned to the Cooper case before the current agent Curtis Eng, said in a radio interview from 2008 that most banks gave up the search effort for the bills within three months after the FBI released its 34-page list, and virtually all of them within six months. Reason given was the difficulty involved for tellers to try to compare all their incoming twenties against a 34-page list of 10,000 non-sequential numbers. It was a nearly impossible job from the start. 2) I contacted a senior representative from the Treasury Department (Printing and Engraving) in DC back in 2010. I questioned him on a possible search for the Cooper bills back when the hijacking occurred. He said they receive literally truckloads of bills a day, and such a search, even if it were ordered by the Justice Department, would have been virtually impossible to implement. He said even if any efforts were made, such efforts would have been very short-term and the chances of locating one particular matching bill vitually impossible. What does this all mean? It means that by April of 1972 it would have been safe for the hijacker to pass the bills with little to no risk of being caught...because no one was looking anyway. LC said this or that ... SRTD said this, or that ... Therefore, I affirmatively say like the expert I am, without the ability to do even basic math!, that . . . . blah bah blah. The posts of blustering fools should be given no weight, and probably should not be read at all. Or as Geoff Gray said, quote: "Everything he says is highly suspect, highly, highly highly,... very highly .... VERY VERY HIGHLY. Blustering nabobs of positivism! Fools. Clowns. What does this all mean? I will show you!

Someone probably has, but I haven't seen it on this thread. Unfortunately, I'm serious. Robert99 Funny! I have extensive posts on Cooper zombies! HE NEEDS TO READ THE THREAD. (Then have several stiff drinks)..

G replies - "I only see an entry..." ? You mean you have the FBI lab report? Tell us exactly what it says, that you are "seeing"? You are allowed to talk about it. Just don't quote it (FBI instruction) Tell us what it says Robert. Tell us the types of sand it reports on . . . What "entry" are you seeing? The words I posted or the FBI lab report itself? You previously claimed several times to "have reviewed" the Palmer report and were "working with the Palmer family". So my question is legitimate. [edit] [still waiting an answer...] [edit] [still waiting an answer...] [edit] [still waiting an answer...] I hope people can "see" why it is impossible to have a serious discussion of anything here at Dropzone. Someone is always playing games ... dropping bombshells ... and playing more games... oh well ... [edit] [still waiting an answer...] Blah, blah, blah. You cherry-picked my original post to death. I said that grains of sand and sediment 'consistent with Columbia River water' (as you claim this FBI report says) is self-evident. Money was found on the banks of the Columbia. Gee...I wonder where the sand came from... Does the report say the bills were water-soaked? You danced right around that part, and even cut my post to make it look like something else. In the lack of any water-soaking reports in your FBI report, the sand and sediment are easily explained. Bills were in the sand on the banks of the Columbia. Pretty obvious I would say. The Palmer family members I contacted via Facebook said only they would look for any paper-based remaining research (if it still exists) by Dr. Palmer that has to do with his dig at Tina Bar. So far, they have found nothing. I don't expect they will, if they haven't by now. Last time I heard from them was months ago. I suppose you could contact them yourself, but that would mean revealing your identity and using a modern social tool like Facebook. Probably anathema to you, I would imagine. If you were any kind of serious on this thread regarding Cooper, you would snap a photo of the FBI report and post it, instead of using it is a whipping boy. LOL. I didnt dance around anything. Enter that. Please return to the Blevins programming previously scheduled ... I have better things to do.

[Quote Blevins] Does the lab report say that the bills were believed to be soaked in the Columbia river? I only see an entry referring to sand and sediment. G replies - "I only see an entry..." ? You mean you have the FBI lab report? Tell us exactly what it says, that you are "seeing"? You are allowed to talk about it. Just don't quote it (FBI instruction) Tell us what it says Robert. Tell us the types of sand it reports on . . . What "entry" are you seeing? The words I posted or the FBI lab report itself? You previously claimed several times to "have reviewed" the Palmer report and were "working with the Palmer family". So my question is legitimate. [edit] [still waiting an answer...] [edit] [still waiting an answer...] [edit] [still waiting an answer...] I hope people can "see" why it is impossible to have a serious discussion of anything here at Dropzone. Someone is always playing games ... dropping bombshells ... and playing more games... oh well ... [edit] [still waiting an answer...]

The one idea NEVER mentioned is not a plant per se but Cooper making his way to Tina Bar, looking for a route of escape, and buried his money on Tina Bar intending to come back and retrieve it later! Not a plant but an intentional burial ... to make his escape run lighter and less worrisome. If stopped he has no money to be linked with - he has no money to be stripped of by hobos and transients parked in camps on both the Oregon and Washington sides in that area, during November 1971! He could have walked all the way from somewhere north and wound up at Tina Bar ... on his way out ... buried his money intending to come back later ... but never got back to reclaim his money as planned, or returned and could not recover the money (in total)?. The bar would have been then covered by dredge sediments in 1974 changing the terrain and depth of his original burial .... and it comes to the surface later weathering away until Ingram finds a remaining remnant in 1980... This model eliminates all flight path issues! It conflicts with the Palmer strata layer report but it agrees with Kaye's strata layer interpretation. There are a number of scenarios and options that have never been examined here. That's my point!