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You beat me to it, Matt. Some of you posting to this thread need to question your overall intent for being here. It may read as very strange to you non-jumpers but jumpers really are different from you. As odd is it may seem, during my 50+ years involved with the sport I personally have never seen a physical confrontation or heated argument between jumpers. Disagreements, of course; but nothing like I see here. Sure, lots of heated arguments in some other forums but nothing like in this DB thread. Long before this DB thread was started I've been wondering about what sets jumpers so apart from the non-jumpers. I've always noticed that jumpers treat each other with more "respect" but I really don't know why. Maybe I'm brainwashed, some how, but I really do think we see life, and live life, totally differently. I've thought this long before the Internet was created but interaction seen here underscores my premise: we really are different from whuffos.. Your sentiments are shared by people in all walks of life. There is probably a common denominator but I'm not going into it - has to do with 'perspective'; strictly speaking it's off topic! Nor do I want to be shouted down and attacked by ... Credibility seems to be at the heart of some people's strong defense responses ... And some ............ just miss Leno! And some just want it to warm up finally - 32 days below zero is enough! No wonder the Broncos couldnt find their ass in a snowstorm? I hate the Broncos for they did to my bookie!

The authority on the money is RobertMBlevins. He will be here tonight to inform you about 3 bundolas. Mr. Blevins speaks for the Tom Kaye Science Team and has the latest information regarding his Stochastic analysis of all money issues, and motives.

Robert says: I don't see anything referring to all the things you said were on that page. We say plainly we don't know if KC was the guy, etc as well. "We say .... ?" This little piggy went to market This little piggy stayed home This little piggy had roast beef And this little piggy had none This little piggy cried wee wee wee All the way home What you have done, Blevins, is create a Nursery Rhyme by borrowing on an airplane hijacking - the Cooper hijacking. It isn't even a compelling nursery rhyme! And defending it as you have for four long years makes you a character in your own nursery rhyme ... and crazy! Jo Weber has her own nursery rhyme. You and Jo have come here daily fore four years and cried wee wee wee All the way home. It's pathetic. Try the Nigerean "my camel needs surgery" scam.

There are several witnesses to the loan. How many do you want? The three grandkids who were raised in the home and knew how their single mom bought the house? How about Bernie Geestman? He admitted knowing about the loan. He should...it enabled his sister to take she and her kids someplace else instead of living with he and his wife. Or Dawn Androsko herself, who freely admitted receiving the money, said what she did with it, why she borrowed it, and how long she took to repay it. Don't believe it? Think they're all lying? Why don't you hunt down Mrs Androsko and find out for yourself. I said she lived on Fox Island and that narrows it down a bit. As far as the house, this is what I know at this time. There was a substantial cash down. The rest was financed. But you probably knew that. Personally, I don't care if Kenny did half or all or whatever, because that's not really why Kenny ended up on the suspect list. As has been pointed out, maybe he was a drug dealer or a bank robber. (*laughs*) Doubtful, but possible. I can't be trusted? I have made the occasional mistake investigating Cooper and Christiansen. So name one person who has got it all right. Because if they had, the case would be solved by now. And it's one of the reasons I said 'whoa, Nellie' to any more new info being released on KC until we verify anything and everything, whatever can be verified. For example, I have one more interview to do with a local resident that concerns the house. This person will know the 'real deal' about it. I haven't gotten around to setting up the interview, but I will. (Not Bill Mitchell, someone else) Trust...okay. Let's say Bruce Smith decides he wants to do a slideshow and a presentation on his new book at the Grange in Eatonville. Do you think I would call in threats to the Grange? Answer is NO. The only people who really knew I was going to do the slideshow at that time were people here at Dropzone. Nothing was in the paper yet, nothing was on the AB website, the programs had not been printed, the posters were not yet created for the theater. Only a few committee members knew, and regular posters at the Cooper thread. So those calls came from someone who posts HERE. There is a lot of garbage in Cooperland. A lot. And in my upcoming book I will be discussing this subject. The only real 'Cooper Fans,' the true and honest ones, are the locals who show up to the Ariel celebration. 'Cooper Royalty' my ass. It's a myth. Dona Elliot is Cooper Royalty. Geoff Gray, the Citizens' Sleuths. Many of the rest (although not all) are lowlifes, bottom feeders, or just plain weird. It's part of the reason I no longer am interested in attending any strictly Cooper-related events with the exception of Ariel. Most of the people at Ariel have no agenda and are normal. They just celebrate Cooper, they keep the legend alive. THEY are the Cooper Royalty. Not me, not you, not even Bruce Smith. A while back I was working with the Dormuths down in Shelton here and there. They were *this* close to allowing me not only an interview, but to provide large blow-ups of Christiansen for Tina Mucklow to examine. They were going to accept the photos and present them to her at the right time. Not right away, but SOMETIME. ('These things must be handled delicately...' Wizard of Oz.) But after Smith got through with them, and both the Dormuths and some of their other family members saw the Mountain News article, they closed the door and locked it to all further interviews or discussions regarding Mucklow. People don't like it when I call it like it is. They also don't like it when I call them out on Cooperland Crap. Well, that's too bad because I hate Cooper Phonies. Those are people who post here politely, or at least don't get so nasty they get banned, but behind your back they do the lowest shit imaginable. It is made worse when they hustle and bustle to present a different face entirely. Which makes them a phony. ('You're Not Sorry You Did It...You're Sorry I Found Out' - Actual Facebook Page.) Excuse me, but duh. The calls (more than one) came into City Hall. The calls concerned an upcoming public festival with thousands of people milling the streets for three days. What did you think they would do? Let's face it. Some folks just need to grow up a bit more. You are a bottomless pit of chaos; just surrounds and engulfs you apparently, and everyone around you, every place you go, apparently ... you claim... apparently! ? Maybe the USWS and NASA need to set up a monitor station on top of your head and declare you "The Blevins Vortex". Have you considered donating your Chaotic Effect to science? You are one of a kind! That is for certain! (according to you). Blevins quote of the night: Quote: 'Trust is a hard thing to come by these days...' Kurt Russell, from the film The Thing. WTF is that supposed to mean or portend? Here on the Dropzone DB Cooper forum, of all places!? Should you be calling President O-Bama and the Governor of your State? Calling out the National Guard? Consulting with your medium chancellery, calling the Coast Guard, notifying Geoff Gray, ... or sending an emergency Fax to the International Astronomical Union!? When will your asteroid hit !? Quit fucking around and just tell us!

Not sure about it being Kenny and Bernie, but that scenario or one where someone finds a body and chute and dumps that and keeps the money is as plausible as some of the other theories that abound. Maybe even more so in some cases. It's true that at first Skipp Porteous and I thought that Mr. Geestman may have ended up at Paradise Point State Park. Then we found out later that Geestman owned property down in Oakville, WA and for some reason he felt compelled to park his newly-purchased trailer on that property only a few weeks prior to the hijacking. Of course, when Mr Geestman disappeared over the week the hijacking occurred, giving his wife a BS story about going camping...and six weeks later Kenny Christiansen told Helen Jones he had BEEN with Geestman that week...we did find that suspicious. Especially when Geestman went on Decoded (national TV) and said he thought Kenny could be the hijacker. We saw this as simply Geestman in a moment of desperation (caught in multiple lies) and tossing Kenny under the bus. You think this. You think that. You think it's all a lie? That I misrepresented the testimony of the witnesses and lied? You think Geoff Gray is full of shit? You want 'evidence presented'? Fine. But here's the problem. SOME of you can't be trusted. So...I'm no longer going to post new things publicly on the internet regarding Ken Christiansen. At least for now. You want to know the truth of the allegations, you can either come and ask me in person at the Auburn Ave, like a real human being, or you can download the KC report PDF and research it, check it for yourself. Anyone can be located when they are legit and a real name is provided. I have no problem with that. But after all I have seen and heard and read, very few of you deserve the respect I would give a stray cat. You brought that on yourselves by your underhanded and discourteous behavior. Didn't your mother teach you any manners? Mine did. There is nothing I can do about that. But what I can do is to refuse you courtesies you no longer deserve. Personally, I don't give a shit whether you like it or not, or believe or not that Kenny belongs on the suspect list. You want to know if Kenny Christiansen was the guy? Start doing research on your own and quit relying on me. Everything I have to present at this time is either in the PDF or the book, such as they are. Anything else, see me at the Ave on August 10th. And be nice or stay home. Didn't your mother teach you any manners? Mine did. ??? So our mothers are our problem? That will go over big with MADD! No wonder you perjured them too! You are a real class act. Do you consider yourself an extension of Kenny Christiansen, as Jo does Duane? Are you speaking for Kenny?

Not sure about it being Kenny and Bernie, but that scenario or one where someone finds a body and chute and dumps that and keeps the money is as plausible as some of the other theories that abound. Maybe even more so in some cases. A scenario like that is exactly what some of my family in WA and OR thought, especially if Cooper had been on foot carrying his ransom and wandered into hobos and such which lined the shoreline in encampments, on both sides of the river, during that period of time. That is one scenario that could connect Cooper landing north of Vancouver then some of his money winds up discovered ... at Tina Bar of all places! But ten years after the fact who are you going to question? With a rail line connecting both areas. But let's say that never happened! Then there is a missing link, as Sluggo used to call it. Sluggo's admonition still rings in my head!

First of all...unless Robert's website has been corrected, many if not the vast majority of the allegations that he has made have been shown to be inaccurate and many of the others are not backed up by anything that can be proven. Kenny bought a house with a mortgage, he owned land that he bought in the 60s on a mortgage, and the money and estate that he had at the time of his death were likely a result of the HUGE profit he made off the sale of this property that he had owned since the 60s - long before the hijacking. His coin collection was likely amassed over a long period of time. Keep in mind, Blevins revised (downsized) the actual value of the alleged 'stamp & coin collection'. And regardless of that, Blevins presented nothing to substantiate the 'value' of that collection, or even if it was a collection, ... in other words, we literally know nothing about that alleged property except Blevins tried to claim a large "value" for the so-called "collection" citing it as one more example of Kenny's sudden acquisition of "great wealth" without any logical explanation. The whole thing, once again, is hearsay - Blevins used. No documentation of the appraisal of the collection, or even a note from someone certifying Kenny was interested in and collected (spent time on) stamps and coins! Not one record of him ever purchasing stamps and coins from anyone! For all we know he have may have acquired this socalled 'collection' in a trade, for services rendered ... and there is no record Kenny knew anything about stamps and coins, ever talked about them, traded in them, etc. Blevins might actually have gone further had he claimed that Kenny and Geestman were staying at Paradise Park during Thanksgiving 1971, and some stranger came to their door and died in their arms! Whereupon they took the man's body to the Columbia and took the man's ransom money he was carrying! And that 'that' was Kenny's big secret. But alas, an ordinary story is not good enough. Something beyond Blevin's control requires it be an epic lie worthy of years of debate and controversy and angst! The story has taken on the traits of its teller!

The Master's words must be preserved and revered. That's how you taught us! Anger Management issues?

Along with all else known to mankind understatement of century, maybe!

I am no longer releasing anything new concerning Kenny Christiansen. There are a couple of reasons. First, although the vast majority of the information that has been released about him (contrary to popular opinion) is TRUE, it is also true a few mistakes were made concerning his financial transactions during the one-year period following the hijacking. Most are minor, and don't really affect the testimony of the witnesses, or the basic fact that Kenny was loaning out thousands of dollars to the *alleged* accomplice's sister and somehow managed to buy a house along the way. So...we are investigating that facet of Kenny's life further. So is Shutter. I still have a strong suspicion that Kenny was Cooper, but until we get the stuff on his house purchase right, no more goes out about him. I've been asked: 'Okay...so when do you plan to do this? When will you update these things?' Fair question, and here's the answer: On Saturday afternoon, August 10th, at the Auburn Avenue Theater, Auburn WA, during the annual 'Auburn Days' festival. It's well-known I have trust issues going with some Cooperland residents. And I have perfectly good reasons for this. For example, the first time I was scheduled to present the infamous Kenny Christiansen slideshow at the Ave for that particular year's festival...someone called up City Hall and made threats. The city responded by calling up both me and festival director Connie Henke and giving us a heads-up. A plainclothes cop hung out in the lobby. We put on the show anyway and nothing happened. But this is the kind of lowlife, crazy shit you get from *some* people in Cooperland. Or they post up shit comments on every Cooper article they can find until mods step in or the poor author is forced to delete the article. Trust? I don't have that in Cooperland. I trust 377, Amazon, a few others here. Some I don't. Especially the two who forgot that not only can I occasionally call on the services of a certain PI, but who forgot IP's can be traced. I won't mention names publicly. One of them I haven't seen a post from in months. The other is a regular at Dropzone and not a skydiver. Yesterday I was asked to create an official Facebook community page for the Adventures in Literature event that I co-chair at the Auburn Ave Theater. So I did. Another Cooper-type book author will be making an appearance and doing his own slideshow. I was asked to follow that with an updated version of the Kenny Christiansen slideshow, and I have agreed to that. The other author is not Bruce Smith, Geoff Gray, and certainly not GreyCop. Other than that, I can't tell you until late June when we print up the speaking schedule. Warning: That FB page is admin'd by some fairly smart people, and unlike outside articles, you have to sign in to Facebook to post. And that means even if you create a bogus account to make shit comments, you can be traced easily. My techie guy Greg at AB says so, and I believe him. He types code at 70wpm and has been making computers jump through hoops for him since Windows 3.0. Besides, we would just shut you off, delete your post, and report you to Facebook. If they find out you have ANOTHER account from the same IP, your REAL account at FB will vanish quicker than a fart in the wind. This is Seattle baby and we know how to do tech around this town.

Jo, Was the interview in person or by phone? If in person where? "In the thread" doesn't mean a thing. All sorts of false claims are "in the thread". 377 Ckret's post about this whole matter was, quote: Ckret: I have not found anything in any of the files about a hotel clerk nor are there any items in evidence relating to a hotel register. I always find it amazing that it seems anything or anyone related to claims of DB Cooper (not just Jo, all claims); everyone is dead, out of the country, the evidence was there once but gone now....... That left the onus on Jo. At length, if you recall, Jo had the clerk (now in China!) write up a statement and when he was back (from China!), delivered it to the FBI-Seattle. The FBI-Seattle took the man's statement (according to Jo in Florida), and .... clerk goes back to China, Jo has communed with clerk in China by phone through the years ... clerk came back from (China!) then went back to China.... the world has turned over many times since then and all ended until now, to be continued .... (clerk is back in China?). It's all in the thread - - - Didn't the clerk come here for a brief day or two to certify he had turned in his statement to the FBI-Seattle and was headed back to China ? Or, did Jo just post a letter for him? This has all grown foggy, since my transplant.

I know the pic without the helmet is definitely "Norton Bob" and the one with helmet also appears to be "Norton". I can ask my friend Steve for sure but I 'm pretty sure that's "Norton" in the second pic as well. hangdiver Hangdiver, those photos come from an archive right here at DZ. I got them off Google and lead here - Just scroll down through the photos and some are named. I pulled the ones with Norton's name on them ... Here's the link: http://www.dropzone.com/photos/Vintage/

I know the pic without the helmet is definitely "Norton Bob" and the one with helmet also appears to be "Norton". I can ask my friend Steve for sure but I 'm pretty sure that's "Norton" in the second pic as well. hangdiver Hangdiver, those photos come from an archive right here at DZ. Just scroll down through the photos and some are named. I pulled the ones with Norton's name on them ... Here's the link: http://www.dropzone.com/photos/Vintage/

are these photos of Nortion. 3 pics attached.

Huh!? I didn't address and wasn't addressing, you or your issues, Nimrod. I didnt say one word about Bill Mitchell - I DID NOT POST TO YOU - OR ABOUT YOU! KAYEN YOOOOO REEEEEEEED!? WTF are you yammering about? Go fly a kite! And don't tell me what I'm thinking or intending when I write something - to SOMEONE ELSE! GET A LIFE BLEVINS! Mind your own business for a change! ????? Some people dont have ANY manners! ps: NEWSFLASH FOR BLEVINS! via "ONLINE" - quote: - A pest control company in Sochi says it has a contract to exterminate dogs throughout the Olympics. *Warning: May Have Anger Management Issues* I'm sorry about the dogs in Sochi. Sounds like they need a visit from PAWS or the SPCA. I personally support the latter. I will also drop a little hint on you. Although I'm not a snitch, if you end up getting perma-banned you have no one to blame but yourself. And it is NOT my wish you be banned. Believe it or not, I think you can be a positive contributor. Lately those contributions are few and far between and mostly consist of nonsensical, Alice-in-Wonderland posts. Toss in a few insults and borderline name-calling along the way. But if you do get banned...check the bathroom mirror for the guy to blame for it. Think.

Huh!? I didn't address and wasn't addressing, you or your issues, Nimrod. I didnt say one word about Bill Mitchell - WTF are you yammering about? Go fly a kite!

strange. could he operate from another state license wise? maybe he got disbarred ? I checked disbarred too in CA Bar records, nothing. To practice law in CA he'd need to be a state bar member. You can appear in court in CA if you are licensed in another state but you have to get the court's and the CA State Bar's permission, pay a petition fee and the granting of the petition is just good for the one case in which it was filed. http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements/ProHacVice.aspx No way to operate a legal practice based here without being a bar member in good standing. 377 Cooper said he had a 'grudge' ... not against NWA. What grudge would Thomas have had? 'Crazy' or 'reckless- adventurous, does not add up to a grudge ? Have we had this conversation before?

Robert comments: If the hijacker was in his mid-40's it is unlikely the hijacker would be completely without grey hair unless the hair was not real, or it was dyed. I also wondered why Mitchell uses the phrases 'well groomed' and 'it looked awful' in the same description. A follow-up question was called for here. How can someone's hair be 'solid and well groomed' and 'look awful' at the same time? I'm going to prepare an additional, much more comprehensive package for Mr. Mitchell. This will include larger photographs, an updated, edited version of the KC Report pdf, and some other items. This time I will also request an in-person interview, or if this is not agreeable to him, another phone interview and I will ask if I can record it. Put in an FOI with WSHM and Bill Mitchell ? It might take several years?

strange. could he operate from another state license wise? maybe he got disbarred ? Possible, 377 will let us know...I always thought that term was better fit for a release from prison we need more/better photos! later ....

strange. could he operate from another state license wise? maybe he got disbarred ? Here's Guru's link again: http://www.ffcars.com/forums/43-off-topic-discussions/208021-skydiving-dc-9-a.html

Let's be civil when we discuss this topic I'm bringing to the thread... You may see the name jeannie McCombs toward the top of the History and Trivia forum. A very famous and revered name in our sport. jeanne died in the 70s and I never had the pleasure of meeting her. I bring the above into this thread because I spent a few minutes reading about her. She was very well-known during the time I owned dropzones. I ended up reading something dear to all of your hearts. Here is what I found: "In 1981, I worked on the movie "Pursuit of D.B. Cooper." I doubled Treat Williams for the skydiving scene. I, and four other stunt doubles, jumped from a 727 over a town named "Groveland" just east of Yosemite, CA. We each made two jumps from the 727 from 8,000 feet. I have no doubt D.B. Cooper made it. Several of us "old timers" in the sport believe we know D.B. Cooper's true identity." You can read the thread here: http://www.ffcars.com/...kydiving-dc-9-a.html The beauty of the Internet. Don't stop reading after just the quote I'm providing read all of the material within the thread. ==== Note regarding an edit to the above: When I first posted this, the URL linking function gave me a 404 error. In the event that you have problems also here is the full URL without the DZ.com truncation that the URL function creates which you can copy/paste. If the link doesn't work from within the posting copy and paste the below URL into your browser. http://www.ffcars.com/forums/43-off-topic-discussions/208021-skydiving-dc-9-a.html interesting! thank you thank you..... Im always interested when 'you guys' come up with a candidate. your url http://www.ffcars.com/...kydiving-dc-9-a.html doesnt seem to work ... This below does work: http://www.ffcars.com/forums/43-off-topic-discussions/208021-skydiving-dc-9-a.html Did the FBI look at this guy?

It's NOT my job. I am not a cop. I presented what I had, and offered it up not only for public viewing, but to the Seattle FBI as well. I'm mainly a book editor, sci-fi writer, and housecleaner. And sometimes I go camping. Next time I am planning on ordering the latest Super Bowl from NFL Films and running that sucker on a loop all weekend just for laughs.

I wonder what this forum would be like if we did not have people attacking others daily out of their own over inflated egos... what do you think??? Funny! That's what I thought four years ago when His Majesty showed up attacking Sluggo's website. So we are - on the same page. Just different books! To mae'toes ~ To' mah' toes. Blevins vs. Sluggo etal ! Nothing has changed has it. Nothing will change - will it! Ive put in such a long day here. I really must go and shower and eat meats and cheeses, and watch people kill themselves on tv. Strange species you people are!