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And what you have is pure distortion - you have either either made up, lack facts on, and decided to fill in on your own - in any event! A few items you distort: (1) "only three folks who were actually allowed to examine the bills. Quite obviously Tom Kaye has not educated you or you have chosen to play ignorant? Or you are guessing. (2) No disagrement between those who have examined the money? That's plain funny! Where did you make that up from? (3) "What motivation would be enough?" is involved. Hmmm. Where in physics-mathematics is a symbol for - MOTIVATION? Where are the clear signs and symbols and artifacts of MOTIVATION readings at Tina Bar? Ludicrous! (4) "On the 550 cord..." f=ma ? Do you know that? Can yuou apply that simple formula vs assigning MOTIVATIONS? (5) "He could have doubled, tripled, etc the amount of line he used to attach it. No one knows." Hmmm. Well yes someone does know or has a good idea. Evidently you missed that section at Tom Kaye's site. (56) "What you have is another Cooper theory, mostly based on your thoughts on the matter. That's okay, but the conclusions are as yet...unproven." And your non-theory is based on something better than your thoughts on the matter ? Prove it! Start with f=ma! (98) "Side Note: On the size of the paper bag, the attached picture shows where I got the dimensions of 4x12x14 inches. This IS larger than a lunch bag." You mean you were there and saw it!? Or you use a Ouija board? What does your paper bag say? What are it's MOTIVATIONS? Blevins, yours is called: junk science and guessing

It's not a theory, it's physics - if he jumped, he landed on the ground. well... he traveled somewhere in the direction of the center of the Earth in a parabolic arc at first, and he landed ... ? Note the ammo (money) bag around his waste! Hey I knew that guy! I started jumping in '76 at a little outlaw club in north central Illinois...the airborne soldier made famous by the steeple landing on D-Day was from Joliet. He would stop by the DZ about once a year to drink a beer and shoot the bull. I remember hearing the story well before meeting the man...I hadn't known of it prior and thought it might be a tall tale. Meeting him removed any doubts...cool guy! A few years back the wife & I were touring battlefields in France & Germany all summer...came across that 'monument' depicting the steeple landing, did some research on the net that evening only to find he had passed away of natural causes in recent years. I believe the fellow's division commander was Maxwell Ridgeway (I don't remember if it was the 101st or 82nd Airborne). When Ridgeway wrote about the D-Day landings, he described running through the city square area of the town, which contained about as many Germans as Americans at that point, and seeing the "poor dead American paratrooper" hanging from the church steeple. Ridgeway didn't learn until after his book was out that the paratrooper survived both D-Day and the war. But during the time he was swinging from the steeple, he did everything possible to appear dead. Despite that, the Germans did shoot at him from time to time. As soon as the ratio of Americans to Germans in the square got big enough, he managed to get down and get on with the war. If memory serves he was 101st...an extremely funny man of smaller stature, he was always the center of attention when he'd show up at the DZ. Try as we might, we could never convince him to make another jump! I think he enjoyed telling the story as much as we enjoyed hearing it...you could tell by the tone, manner & rhythm... he had told it many MANY times. Always lightening up the 'mood' of the no doubt terrifying event with self-deprecating humor made it that much more interesting. He joked that it really didn't surprise him getting stuck like that...his nature was to always get stuck with the short end of the stick. He then told of several funny experiences he had during the war which certainly made it seem like he was squarely in Murphy's sights. I STILL remember him sayin' ~ "It could be raining tits on the whole 1st army...I'd take off my hat & get a dick in the ear!" Air... do you know if the guy in the photo is still alive ? ... before I call my uncle tonight. I would like to tell him if you know? My uncle will be amazed that we are talking about this! Let me know if you know if the guy is alive or not ...

It's not a theory, it's physics - if he jumped, he landed on the ground. well... he traveled somewhere in the direction of the center of the Earth in a parabolic arc at first, and he landed ... ? Note the ammo (money) bag around his waste! Hey I knew that guy! I started jumping in '76 at a little outlaw club in north central Illinois...the airborne soldier made famous by the steeple landing on D-Day was from Joliet. He would stop by the DZ about once a year to drink a beer and shoot the bull. I remember hearing the story well before meeting the man...I hadn't known of it prior and thought it might be a tall tale. Meeting him removed any doubts...cool guy! A few years back the wife & I were touring battlefields in France & Germany all summer...came across that 'monument' depicting the steeple landing, did some research on the net that evening only to find he had passed away of natural causes in recent years. I believe the fellow's division commander was Maxwell Ridgeway (I don't remember if it was the 101st or 82nd Airborne). When Ridgeway wrote about the D-Day landings, he described running through the city square area of the town, which contained about as many Germans as Americans at that point, and seeing the "poor dead American paratrooper" hanging from the church steeple. Ridgeway didn't learn until after his book was out that the paratrooper survived both D-Day and the war. But during the time he was swinging from the steeple, he did everything possible to appear dead. Despite that, the Germans did shoot at him from time to time. As soon as the ratio of Americans to Germans in the square got big enough, he managed to get down and get on with the war. If memory serves he was 101st...an extremely funny man of smaller stature, he was always the center of attention when he'd show up at the DZ. Try as we might, we could never convince him to make another jump! I think he enjoyed telling the story as much as we enjoyed hearing it...you could tell by the tone, manner & rhythm... he had told it many MANY times. Always lightening up the 'mood' of the no doubt terrifying event with self-deprecating humor made it that much more interesting. He joked that it really didn't surprise him getting stuck like that...his nature was to always get stuck with the short end of the stick. He then told of several funny experiences he had during the war which certainly made it seem like he was squarely in Murphy's sights. I STILL remember him sayin' ~ "It could be raining tits on the whole 1st army...I'd take off my hat & get a dick in the ear!" No, incidents like his were not uncommon ... and under fire the whole time. My uncle said that guy survived because he just hung there and didn't make a move ... the german's thought he was dead. And they (our troops) moved as quickly as possible to lay down fire and secure the immediate area, cleared buildings out of snipers etc ... an intense fire fight .. imagine hanging there through that whole thing! I will call Glenn tonight! Again, Im going to be thinking about this all day now until I talk to Glenn tonight ... Im going to break off from this... thank you, sir!

It's not a theory, it's physics - if he jumped, he landed on the ground. well... he traveled somewhere in the direction of the center of the Earth in a parabolic arc at first, and he landed ... ? Note the ammo (money) bag around his waste! Hey I knew that guy! I started jumping in '76 at a little outlaw club in north central Illinois...the airborne soldier made famous by the steeple landing on D-Day was from Joliet. He would stop by the DZ about once a year to drink a beer and shoot the bull. I remember hearing the story well before meeting the man...I hadn't known of it prior and thought it might be a tall tale. Meeting him removed any doubts...cool guy! A few years back the wife & I were touring battlefields in France & Germany all summer...came across that 'monument' depicting the steeple landing, did some research on the net that evening only to find he had passed away of natural causes in recent years. Air, that's why I posted the photo. It's a classic. It's a part of a lot of people's family history, in my parent's generation. One of my uncles knew this guy too. Walked right up this same street with his unit and took a leak on the corner of that very church. I grew up listening to these first hand accounts. That event and others like it have been depicted in several old (B&W) movies. One weekend we were all bundled in the family room late one night after a family dinner, watching one of these old movies on tv, and this event in the photo was being act out and my uncle ________'s wife blurted out, "_______, weren't you there when that happened?". My uncle laughed and said. "Yea I walked up that street with that guy hanging there ... they had a helluva time getting him down! Later I walked by there again and took a leak on the corner of that church". I was just a kid, bundled up with one of my cousins under a blanket on the floor. But I took every word in the adults were saying. I kept looking at my uncle and back over at the tv ... in awe of the whole thing ... so the photo (the event) has been a part of a lot of people's actual history ... and reading your post the photo came back into my mind, so I looked it up on Google ... and there it is! The real McCoy! Maybe Cooper saw the same movie growing up .... or was there too? That's a deep thought! Thanks for commenting about this! Its a small world sometimes. BTW, that uncle of mine is still alive - lives in Texas. He is the sole surviving brother of those brothers in my family that served in WWII, one of them is buried in Belgium ... but Glenn is up in the 90s. Maybe I will give him a call tonight. amazing ... thanks! now I will be thinking about this all day! My wife's father died last year but he went all the way from D-Day through to Berlin with Paton. He was in artillery. Originally from Illinois also. He was a brilliant statistician. Became one of the founders of many test batteries people take today ... These guys were amazing.

It's not a theory, it's physics - if he jumped, he landed on the ground. well... he traveled somewhere in the direction of the center of the Earth in a parabolic arc at first, and he landed ... ? Note the ammo (money) bag around his waste!

admittedly the initial shock forces are great, however Tina only saw C beginning to tie the bag around his waste. More than enough time elapsed btwn her going forward and him leaving to allow for further preparations he may have made. We dont know what his final configuration was. Tests for stress in the bills were incomplete-inconclusive but showed no signs of obvious stress, apparently, whereas the placard showed obvious signs of stress for some reason.

Jo, I thought that your previous claims were that you first learned about parachute jumpers from Duane when he told you about "all the fellows" he knew who were jumpers. You don't state what questions Bruce asked that were "demeaning" to DZ. But the last I heard, DZ is in fact owned by a South African corporation. Robert99 Duane knew Sangria (sp?) Duane had friends and an office in So Afrika. Duane once tried to buy Dropzone! Duane and Sangria used to jump together! Jo has had lunch with Sangria, face to face, in So Afrika. Easy walk from her office in So. Afrika! Jo calls Sangria or Sangria's wife, every day.

How about pulling on the stairs and letting the canopy squid out into the slip stream, thus getting pulled off the stairs and avoiding the tumble through the slipstream? 377 has given a very comprehensive analysis of this method of exiting a 727, replete with videos of training missions in Cambodia during the Vietnam War where troopers exhibited this style of jumping from a 727. Different style of jumping in those videos...( unless it's a set I haven't seen)That plane was going super slow and was rigged for dropping. But as stated above, who knows anything is possible. I just wanted to talk about the skydiving aspect of this mystery. Eh, propster, it sounds like you are equivocating.... If Cooper knew more about the 727 than the pilots or Northwest Orient, don't you think he knew how to exit safely with twenty pounds of twenties? C'mon, put your thinking cap on! Give it your best shot! How would you do it, for instance? I don't see where I'm waffling. Norjack wasn't rigged for a staticline drop. I wouldn't have pulled this stunt. Two many variables. I have exited at high speed with a lot more weight. It can be an experience, even with the correct equipment. Kenny did it! Duane did it! Just suspend physics and all other aspects of ordinary reality, and claim it for years! Who needs experience, reality, or rules? Just issue a few THREATS and you can have it 24/7 and fuck up people's lives for thrills too! That is the only FACT that matters.

Georger asks: ***'Is this some kind of threat? To get me to change my posting here at Dropzone? Hmmm. Let me ponder this latest "threat" of yours, Jo ... I mean Blevins. Seems to every time we get down to the nitty gritty you make threats? Threaten lawsuits, etc. Do you run Dropzone? I know this has been asked by me and others before? PS: Hear anything from Mitchell ?? No, it's not a threat. In fact, I removed your real name and a certain reference from my 3-part Cooperland article at Newsvine a couple of months ago. But it IS reality. You don't get what's going on. Have you ever gone back just to look at how many people are actually viewing our posts? After a week, it can number in the hundreds easily. Older ones can go over a thousand. I have an email link in my profile here, at the AB website, and another at Newsvine. What's going on is when you make so much noise, people sometimes want to know the source of the noise. This thread is linked out by me all over the place, and my Vine column gets 200,000-250,000 visits a year. So sometimes people see these posts and they start emailing. Or...they've read the book, or Gray's book, and see the Dropzone Cooper thread references and they come HERE. I get emails about you on a regular basis. Not a whole lot, but maybe two or three a week. They ask who you are, etc and what the heck is your problem, whatever. It's a heads-up. I don't care what you do, but I do get tired of answering for you. I do NOT reveal your identity to them. However, I've been known to refer them to a certain group of pages in a certain book...since that is a public item. No I don't run Dropzone. And you are the last person I would tell about any responses from Mitchell. Frankly, I don't trust you anymore. If you want to know what I know, or WILL know regarding Mitchell and anything new on KC...come to the Auburn Avenue Theater on Saturday, August 10th, 2014. Doors open at 9AM. Seats will be filled soon afterward I'm sure...but not because of me. My role that day is small bananas. EDIT: If you are a bit bummed by all this, that makes two of us. The only difference is I have to deal with the fallout and the messages... Listen to this song. Guaranteed to make anyone feel better for sure. So, your intent is to 'bum me out' and 'get me to stop posting at Dropzone', under your threat to: (1) forward email you receive from the general public, to me at my private email address, and (2) forward people to me who contact you, by any means you chose! Of course you could do this to anyone who posts at Dropzone, who you do not like or want to shut down or sanction, or make trouble for, play dirty tricks on etc., for whatever reason you chose! This is a first here at Dropzone! You have brought this forum to a standstill! I guess I and others will have to consider your threat(s) and act accordingly ... ? Am I bummed out, as you call it? Am I shocked? Frankly, I don't know. This is a first at Dropzone or at any other forum so far as I know. I don't know how people deal with something like you threaten. I guess we will all find out, since you have dropped this in our laps. Maybe Quade will have something to say? I think you have brought this forum to a standstill at your behest and benefit. It's one helluva a way to get your way and force your way on others - I can say that! Have a nice day, Mr. RobertMBlevins!

BYE! DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT! Try the name: F U H R I M A N next time - not "Fuhrman" or "Furman" ? I wont post this for you again! This is already about no.8 going clear back to 2010. As for the rest: REED THE THREAD! Nobody is your caretaker, Blevins! Let me get this straight. You spent half the day denying the evidence that indeed...the FBI did NOT check out airline employees or NWA employees during their investigation...even using NAMES on me about it during same...and this is all based on... Because I left the 'i' out of his name? Uh, okay. Next time you want to talk about driving people off or wasting time posting, you'd better take a look in the mirror sir. I also think you should shoot off an email to Geoff Gray and Crown Books. They also spell Bob Fuhr(i)man's name as Fuhrman. In my humble opinion, it's time you take a hard look at what is important and what is not. Quote: "RobertBlevins said: NWA employees have repeatedly testified that flight crews often did not know each other, since NWA usually kept the same crews on the same routes. Sluggo replies Dec 15 2010 and Jan 3 2011: Hmmmmm? I thought ALL airlines with "represented" [bargining unit/union] employees used the "Seniority/Bid" system of crew assignment. I guess NWA (Northwest Orient) was the one exception. Boy! You're sure good at this research stuff!" Summerwill replies: 'NWA employees were just like employees of any other major airline; they were union represented. Where does this guy get the idea that NWA and it's employees were somehow different or exempt? Employees of all airlines fall under FAA and other Federal regulations. NWA had its own investigative division that worked with the FBI, FAA, and others.' Nancy Wong replies: 'I doubt that Agent Fuhriman said or meant what Mr. Blevins is contending, he said. Casual conversations like that can lead to real trouble, especially when one party is not being honest and has ulterior motives.' C.A.L. replies: 'I was an NWA employee and they questioned me! They also questioned ___________, and ___________, and __________! I may have been wrong on the crew assignments, but I did know NWA was a union outfit. Your 'CAL' post is unattributed and means absolutely nothing unless it is. Okay...we will go along with your idea that two FBI agents who actually worked the Cooper case are wrong and somehow YOU are right...when you say the FBI looked at airline employees as possible suspects. You can believe what you want. I will believe the agents. And not only was your Suzy Wong (excuse me, Nancy) not there during my conversation with Fuhriman, but Kenny Christiansen worked strictly the overseas Orient routes. This comes from his family, his letters, other sources. The real point here is he didn't do domestic. You know, you wasted a lot of peoples' time here yesterday with your poems, nonsensical crap, insults, whatever...which was all wrapped around an 'i' in a name. That's obsession all the way. And it doesn't stop there. The more you do this, the more emails I get from people asking who you are and why you do that, and what's your problem. Do I answer those questions truthfully? Maybe, maybe not. I just thought you should know the reality of it though. If you had an email, I'd start forwarding them to you and letting you deal with them. Frankly, I get tired of answering for you. Is this some kind of threat? To get me to change my posting here at Dropzone? Hmmm. Let me ponder this latest "threat" of yours, Jo ... I mean Blevins. Seems to every time we get down to the nitty gritty you make threats? Threaten lawsuits, etc. Do you run Dropzone? I know this has been asked by me and others before? PS: Hear anything from Mitchell ??? Oh! Forgot! ... Are you competing in the Olympics this year? Winter Marathon or something?

Speaking of which... Remember the two skydivers whose names came up during that whole thing? Gene Hassenfus - who survived the shoot down of a CIA backed transport plane. He was the 'kicker', when he saw the SAM coming he simply stepped outside - since he had at least a goldwing at the time it was no biggie. He was captured and interrogated...picture essay in Newsweek. (iirc) In that set of photos published internationally was the contents of Eugene's wallet...the usual stuff - and a business card from Ole Joe Smith of 'The Herd' fame. I know both principles... Joe wasn't very happy, seems that episode sparked a lot of questions as to why & how he was visited so often at night, by C130's & such at his 'little' private airport way out in the woods... Today's fun-fact!

BYE! DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT! Try the name: F U H R I M A N next time - not "Fuhrman" or "Furman" ? I wont post this for you again! This is already about no.8 going clear back to 2010. As for the rest: REED THE THREAD! Nobody is your caretaker, Blevins! Let me get this straight. You spent half the day denying the evidence that indeed...the FBI did NOT check out airline employees or NWA employees during their investigation...even using NAMES on me about it during same...and this is all based on... Because I left the 'i' out of his name? Uh, okay. Next time you want to talk about driving people off or wasting time posting, you'd better take a look in the mirror sir. I also think you should shoot off an email to Geoff Gray and Crown Books. They also spell Bob Fuhr(i)man's name as Fuhrman. In my humble opinion, it's time you take a hard look at what is important and what is not. Quote: "RobertBlevins said: NWA employees have repeatedly testified that flight crews often did not know each other, since NWA usually kept the same crews on the same routes. Sluggo replies Dec 15 2010 and Jan 3 2011: Hmmmmm? I thought ALL airlines with "represented" [bargining unit/union] employees used the "Seniority/Bid" system of crew assignment. I guess NWA (Northwest Orient) was the one exception. Boy! You're sure good at this research stuff!" Summerwill replies: 'NWA employees were just like employees of any other major airline; they were union represented. Where does this guy get the idea that NWA and it's employees were somehow different or exempt? Employees of all airlines fall under FAA and other Federal regulations. NWA had its own investigative division that worked with the FBI, FAA, and others.' Nancy Wong replies: 'I doubt that Agent Fuhriman said or meant what Mr. Blevins is contending, he said. Casual conversations like that can lead to real trouble, especially when one party is not being honest and has ulterior motives.' C.A.L. replies: 'I was an NWA employee and they questioned me! They also questioned ___________, and ___________, and __________!

BYE! DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT! Try the name: F U H R I M A N next time - not "Fuhrman" or "Furman" ? I wont post this for you again! This is already about no.8 going clear back to 2010. As for the rest: REED THE THREAD! Nobody is your caretaker, Blevins! Let me get this straight. You spent half the day denying the evidence that indeed...the FBI did NOT check out airline employees or NWA employees during their investigation...even using NAMES on me about it during same...and this is all based on... Because I left the 'i' out of his name? Uh, okay. Next time you want to talk about driving people off or wasting time posting, you'd better take a look in the mirror sir. Thought you were leaving - guess that was another lie. You Blevins are the ONLY idiot on the whole internet who has the wrong name plastered all over the place, all under your name/posts. welcome to the dunce hat - it can never be removed! Not bad for four long years of work! Are you aiming for 8 years!? This is priceless! No wonder Gray and Porteous ran!

BYE! DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT! Try the name: F U H R I M A N next time - not "Fuhrman" or "Furman" ? I wont post this for you again! This is already about no.8 going clear back to 2010. As for the rest: REED THE THREAD! Nobody is your caretaker, Blevins!

Yeah, right. Former Seattle-based Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Robert Fuhrman was the guy who assisted (among other things) in questioning the passengers who deplaned in Seattle. He was a recent transfer to Seattle when the hijacking occurred. Both he and Ralph Himmelsbach concur that airline employees and/or employees of Northwest Airlines were NOT considered suspects, nor were they investigated. The only exception of course would be the actual crew members on Flight 305. They were questioned. You know all this already. I feel like I'm talking to a six-year-old. It's either that, or you didn't actually know about Fuhrman. And by the way...both he and his daughter attended the Lake City signing with Geoff Gray, and Fuhrman (LOL 'The Man Who Never Was') answered questions from the audience about his involvement in the Cooper case. Anytime you wish to enlarge that hole you're digging for yourself, let me know...and I'll order a bigger shovel for you from Amazon. Blevins you are so colorful I can hardly contain my feet from dancing ... hole you're digging for yourself Georger, let me know... ? Geezus H. Twinkle-Goposchkin. There's something wrong with you, son! Before you lather up like a possum in heat and swallow your tongue, maybe this will help with your Anger Management? You can't fix stupid so dance! Here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdFIXsrjkXI Clue No.44,971 .... it's the name, Laddy! You're digging in the wrong dirt dummy - no gold there!

Uh, no. ***2. A stalker. Borderline. Let's call it 'overaggressive reporting that skirts the edges of actual stalking' Actually, I haven't ever seen Bruce lie, which means 'something written or spoken intended in advance to knowingly deceive'. No, he speculates but he's not a liar. Oh, hell yeah. (*laughs*) Three stews. There is probably a favorite. No. Have not seen this from Bruce. I met him. He's plenty nice. Again, met and spoke with him extensively at Ariel 2012. He's fine in that department. Actually, I think it's a mobile home, and a pretty nice one. No. He definitely comes at you in a straightforward manner, even if the methods are a teeny bit skewed sometimes. Better than being a phony, though. That's just a bad name someone tossed out. I would say no. LOL like the FBI needs any help to NOT solve the case. They've done just fine on that already. georger United States Send a Private MessagePM Enter # Jumps Enter License Enter Years in Sport Registered: May 25, 2008 Posts: 7726 Feb 7, 2014, 11:31 PM Post #51604 of 51605 (14 views) Shortcut Re: [RobertMBlevins] Question For You Cooper Sleuths [In reply to] Edit | Delete | Quote | Reply RobertMBlevins wrote: georger wrote: RobertMBlevins wrote: Georger: See edited post above. Your second post wasn't worth a second answer. no ... i wont ... you have been peddling the same tired crap since 2010. It didnt have truth then; it doesnt today. Im not interested in reading your revisions of material you posted in 2010. It's purdy simple, cowboy. "3 Bundolas" to you. Mucho bochos dochos hombre. What a load of absolute hogwash. I wasn't posting up MY material. Or revisions of it. I was calling you out on your BS quotes and other things. It has PLENTY of truth. I can quote you, as well as Gray's email denial if you wish. And since you made such a fuss that Himmelsbach (and Seattle FBI agent Bob Fuhrman) both said the FBI never checked out airline employees as suspects...you still haven't proved they lied about that. So...did Geoff Gray lie in his email? Are Himmelsbach and Fuhrman both wrong and you right? Crazy As I said previously: Quote: 'Nice. I was speaking about you lashing out at anyone and everyone, even respectable folks with distinguished careers, when you think it will help get your Anti-Blevins fix. That's why. And it's weird that one minute you're saying (more times than I can count) Gray told you I was unstable and untrustworthy...and when that was found to be false...now you call him a fool. You're just blaming me because I had the nerve to go and check with Gray. It's like that Facebook page I mentioned: You're Not Sorry You Did It - You're Sorry I Found Out. Too bad. Stop making up false quotes from known people and this would not happen to you. Himmelsbach investigated the Cooper case for eight years. If he says the FBI didn't check out airline employees, and gives reasons why...I will believe him over YOU any day of the week. There is also Seattle FBI agent Bob Furhman, who also worked the case and said the same thing. Unless you can prove that Himmelsbach and Furhman were wrong, of course...' Second source, again: Quote: FYI - I also asked former Seattle FBI agent Bob Fuhrman the same question, while speaking to him at Third Place Books in Lake City. He worked the Cooper case early on. Did they check out airline employees in general, or NWA employees as possible suspects? Answer: NO. When I got a chance to speak to Fuhrman, that was one of the first questions I asked. I never brought up Christiansen to him. Mostly we spoke on the Tina Bar money. But I did ask him that question. Why don't you just back off from your claims that the FBI investigated airline employees and take the word of two former FBI agents who actually worked the case? reed this care full eeeeeeie Blevinaide! There was no (is no) retired FBI SA "Fuhrman" We have been over this 1000 times and you still can't get it straight! Shall I say it again? No. I will not. READ THE THREAD COOPER NINJA MASTER BLEVINS! When you get that figured out try: 1+1+1 = ? This is LITERALLY the level at which you operate. Have Gayla explain it you! Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream. Propel, Propel, Propel your craft Placidly down the lugubrious flow Ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically, Cooper is but an illusion. LaughLaughLaugh

no ... i wont ... you have been peddling the same tired crap since 2010. It didnt have truth then; it doesnt today. Im not interested in reading your revisions of material you posted in 2010. It's purdy simple, cowboy. "3 Bundolas" to you. Mucho bochos dochos hombre. What a load of absolute hogwash. I wasn't posting up MY material. Or revisions of it. I was calling you out on your BS quotes and other things. It has PLENTY of truth. I can quote you, as well as Gray's email denial if you wish. And since you made such a fuss that Himmelsbach (and Seattle FBI agent Bob Fuhrman) both said the FBI never checked out airline employees as suspects...you still haven't proved they lied about that. So...did Geoff Gray lie in his email? Are Himmelsbach and Fuhrman both wrong and you right? As I said previously: Second source, again: When I got a chance to speak to Fuhrman, that was one of the first questions I asked. I never brought up Christiansen to him. Mostly we spoke on the Tina Bar money. But I did ask him that question. Why don't you just back off from your claims that the FBI investigated airline employees and take the word of two former FBI agents who actually worked the case? reed this care full eeeeeeie Blevinaide! There was no (is no) retired FBI SA "Fuhrman" We have been over this 1000 times and you still can't get it straight! Shall I say it again? No. I will not. READ THE THREAD COOPER NINJA MASTER BLEVINS! When you get that figured out try: 1+1+1 = ? This is LITERALLY the level at which you operate. Have Gayla explain it you!

no ... i wont ... you have been peddling the same tired crap since 2010. It didnt have truth then; it doesnt today. Im not interested in reading your revisions of material you posted in 2010. It's purdy simple, cowboy. "3 Bundolas" to you. Mucho bochos dochos hombre.

Nice. I was speaking about you lashing out at anyone and everyone, even respectable folks with distinguished careers, when you think it will help get your Anti-Blevins fix. That's why. And it's weird that one minute you're saying (more times than I can count) Gray told you I was unstable and untrustworthy...and when that was found to be false...now you call him a fool. You're just blaming me because I had the nerve to go and check with Gray. It's like that Facebook page I mentioned: You're Not Sorry You Did It - You're Sorry I Found Out. Too bad. Stop making up false quotes from known people and this would not happen to you. Himmelsbach investigated the Cooper case for eight years. If he says the FBI didn't check out airline employees, and gives reasons why...I will believe him over YOU any day of the week. Unless you can prove that Himmelsbach was wrong, of course. Himmelsbach investigated the Cooper case for eight years. If he says the FBI didn't check out airline employees, and gives reasons why...I will believe him over YOU any day of the week. He did? So... elaborate ... from your rich personal experience. What did H do on the case for 8 years? Did H have jurisdiction over the case? Tell us one God damned thing complete with date(s) and times? Tell us, Oh Master of Hearsay!

Now Gray is a fool? Usually you use his name in a false quote where he supposedly told you I was 'untrustworthy' and 'unstable'. Gray denied saying that, of course. Now you are calling him a fool. Not nice. And also not true. He's the guy who used to work for the New York Times, not YOU. He's the guy who has traveled extensively around the country doing other articles besides Cooper. All you ever did was post up repeated BS stuffing false words into the man's mouth. He's also the guy who managed to keep his last book on the New York Times bestseller list for at least a week or two, which is the pinnacle of most authors' careers, unless they do it a second time. In the case of Geoff Gray, he's young. He could do it again. You? Nobody even knows who you are. By the way...the quote I mentioned wasn't from his book. It was from a direct interview he did in person with Ralph Himmelsbach. You want to call Himmelsbach a liar? You want to say he is INCORRECT when he says the FBI didn't investigate airline employees? Then put up, or shut up. I for one will believe the ex-FBI agent. It's obvious your dislike for me forces you to talk shit about even respectable people, in your repeated and frankly pathetic efforts to get an anti-Blevins dig in. You will pick on anyone, even a guy like Himmelsbach and a decent guy like Geoff Gray to do that. This is a personal problem of yours and no concern of mine, but I think you should get a handle on it somehow. That's unsolicited advice. Blow it out your ass Blevins. If its of no concern of yours why have been posting about it since 2010 !? Complain to 'Mama' ! And now I will return you to your regularly scheduled programming .... of Jo and Blev!

Come on. I thought you were the Big Cooper Expert, Georger. You know better than that. Here's a quote from Ralph Himmelsbach, from the Geoff Gray interview: ***'I (Gray) asked him if he’d ever investigated anybody who worked for Northwest Airlines. “No,” he said, and explained. “We had an awful lot of suggestions by people that said ‘I think it’s an inside job.’ It is inconceivable for several reasons. The most obvious, if you know anything about airline procedure, is that it is not possible for a conspiracy to form because the individuals are not in charge of what flights they’re going to go on.” But what about a lone employee? Himmelsbach ruled this out too. “If you were acquainted as I was with many of the people in the airline industry,” he explained, “they are exceptional people. They are head and shoulders above the standards and the values and the character of normal, average Americans...' Come on. I thought you were the Big Cooper Expert, Blevins Ralph Himmelsbach wasn't in charge of the Cooper investigation - duhhh! The Seattle office was in charge of the investigation ? Who did Ralph Himmelsbach interview? Name one! Portland had limited resources compared to Seattle etc. To make a long story short Blevins: It would appear Gray talked to the wrong person and never did the story straight! And here you go again (the Gray Groupie) - relying on and reporting 3rd and even 4th hand accounts, which you have no way of knowing the veracity of!. You are Pete & Repete of the same nonsensical data. You have never interviewed anyone to know anything! Duhhhhhh So keep using and quoting Gray's book! It clearly shows us what fools Gray and you both are! Why do I even bother to reply to your shit!!!!! ?????

I agree with you G. This aspect is under-reported. What I know of the details confirms that the search was massive in the days following the hijacking. Bruce Thun reported that the feds were all over Thun Field and knew extensive details about his jumpers and pilots. Bruce asked me, plainly, "How did the FBI know all that stuff!" SOG guy JD Bath also told me that he was interviewed in the DB Cooper case as soon as he rotated out of Vietnam and was questioned in Ft Bragg. Bath indicated that many of the SOG guys got the same treatment. SA John Detlor also confirmed to me that soldiers returning from Vietnam were comprehensively questioned. Plus, John seemed uncomfortabale telling me that, and had to clear his throat as he spoke. I may be reading too much into that, but.... Somebody should write this up! Its historical record. And soon the accounts will vanish - or be purloined and distorted for someone' smut pulp fiction 'diatribe'. Be objective.

Don't worry, Wheatie, on asking questions twice - I'm old and fat so I probably won't remember more than one. Yes, it is my understanding that all forms of public transportation were investigated - bus drivers, cabbies, etc. Also, all the cars in the parking lot were also checked to see if any were abandoned and not accounted for. This kind of massive man-hunt is what made Norjak the most expensive investigation of its time, as I understand it. This is probably one of the most under-reported aspects of the case. The response in some areas, I think, was fairly massive at least for a short time (based on conversations over the years). The effort to build lists of suspects was large and to some extent concentrated on certain areas. Not only was LE looking for or 'at' potential suspects, it was also looking for anomalies or incidents that had happened coincident to the hijacking ... and trying to connect dots ... all very time consuming with 1970s technology. They burned more gas and shoe leather than electrons, is my impression, generating a ton of paperwork! Blevins is fond of saying (reminding us!) that the FBI "failed" to look at NWA employees! I wonder if that is true? I doubt his account is the whole story, or even the real story. But alas, once again, there is no one here with real authority to speak about this issue - nobody! Don't you find that a bit strange - in a vaunted Jo Weber DB Cooper thread ? I need to go take a nap - it's all so overwhelming!

I've noticed this too Guru, but it's probably not unique to skydiving. I wonder if its found in most extreme sports? Might have something to do with shared risks and trust. I'll query Snow. He has done some radical climbing stuff including extreme ice ascents at night. Wonder if that community is similar to the skydiving one in collegiality and minimal sniping, dissing and fighting? We all tend to idealize our own communities, but I've been a jumper for 46 years now and it's been a very smooth ride people wise. I've never been in a fight or even had harsh words with another jumper. It is amazing how patient and helpful some superstar jumpers were with me when I was a tumbling newbie. 377 Hmmm. Why tiptoe around this? If identification is the problem, one is the entity you called THE VENOM MAGNET. The other you called THE TEASE. Maybe this isn't a problem in celestial cosmology and mechanics after all? Just inquire of these two trolls who they want sent packing from this forum ... and the whole problem will be solved!? Since there is a long list of the people these two have tangled with, membership here may get reduced, but these two even claim that would only be temporary and would IMPROVE this forum! There is your solution and the only solution! Otherwise: move on. Good luck.

Let me guess. You don't have much of a sense of humor do you? Fortunately, our current Prez does. Enough said. Thats right. I have no sense of humor. I also have one leg. There you go again! Telling people who and what they are, and what their motives are! Maybe it's you who has no sense of humor! Who doesn't know Antarctica has no Ambassador, but will make an issue of it anyway to have the last word... and still be wrong! To do the double-dread-naught diversion hoping you can entrap someone and get them in trouble, while you escape Scott free ... to be the Ambassador to Antarctica. Maybe that's why you book got reduced to .69c and they still wouldn't sell, so got returned! Now Ive gone too far and spoken the truth. Im probably in trouble because of YOU again. And you arent worth it! So let me guess: You aren't worth it! And have nothing to contribute to your "wage earner sheeple". But you will demand that everyone listen to you! Because you can recite: jack and jill went up the hill ...or maybe it was Geestman?