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I dont see myself as central to a Cooper discussion. As I see this, it will come down to a consensus of what others want to do. It may even come down to my being invited, or not, just like anyone else. I would prefer it be that way. I have not PM'd anyone about this so far and no one has PM'd me about it. I am "sure" others would want you there. So stay tuned, somebody may contact you. Just for the record, I consider just about everyone here at Dropzone a viable contributing person, except for one person. I thought we had a pretty good thing here for a while, but that obviously has been lost for me personally. At some point somebody is going to have to contact Ckret and see if he would be interested, on any basis. I really hope something develops here we can all live with and all be productive in - without any single agenda dominating (which includes mine!). Georger

QuoteWell, I personally have come to a decision not to bother opening any attachments unless the poster specifies what they are and what their relevance is (without hints teases blah blah). Georger, the only thing I can think of is a password protected site but who is going to go the trouble of setting that up? I wouldn't even know where to start. Reply> Bottom line for me is I will not continue here as it has been. I did not come here for "Jo Weber", in the first place. Weber has been here since 2005, I believe? What has Jo Weber given in all that time beyond her own story recited tirelessly ... who would put up with that? Jo is correct in one aspect. I am Transparent. Jo means this in a derogatory way. I mean it in a Constructive way. Jo cannot afford to allow the difference or Jo's whole case collapses like a figment. The one thing Jo does not realise in her Murkiness, is most people could care less about her case. Its the entertainment value people are attracted to her by. I guess Jo is the mascot here at Dropzone. Good luck - Georger

I know of two previous Cooper discussion groups where Jo Weber was not allowed. One was on Yahoo. There may have been a third, a Forum - she was not there for some reason. There was another Forum with Snowman and others and Jo was not posting there, for some reason. It comes down to what people want. But, there is not going to be any true discussion of Cooper with Weber there. That is a proven fact. And, Weber has nothing to contribute. NOTHING. I wish people could be convinced of that fact. I am and others DO have things to contribute and that is a fact. My comments about Ingram were an opener. I am sorry Snowmman got so upset. I was surprised at that. We must get away from people who have strong proprietary investments they cant get beyond if there is going to be any real sharing and discussion. But, I can't do this alone. Georger

Indeed. Like much (most? all?) of the other stuff. We need to find another place to discuss this, where Jo is not perrmited. Any ideas? I have files to post but will not post them here. Georger

Allow me to address your complaints. 1) all were reluctant to get involved owing to the case and the parties involved ... Why would a pediatrian want to get involved what could they do? It is easy to tell it is a girl ( the sleeves of the garment and the wisp of hair on the lower hair line). Does not take an expert to see this. I saw the picture before it deteriorated so badly - she has long blonde hair. Number 2 explains the sex - the wisps of hair and the blouse. You are working at this too hard - therefore you have a motive. That is so much cock and bull it is not funny. It does not take much to see thru you - not much at all...you are very transparent. Quote no comment - obscure and meaningless. George

That is so much cock and bull it is not funny. It does not take much to see thru you - not much at all...you are very transparent. What happened to the RECIPES for LIFE --- what are you trying to hide? I dont know anything about this RECIPES FOR LIFE? That is something you introduced in your post below. I didnt know what you were talking about then and I dont know now, either. You will have to take this up with yourself or others who know. Adios - ------------------------------------------------------- skyjack71 Jumps License In sport : : : Jan 20, 2009, 12:04 AM Post #7312 of 7335 (198 views) Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 1141 Re: [skyjack71] surface pitting?/brown stain from edges in? [In reply to] Can't Post In Reply To It is not about winning anything. FrownI told you none of the photos I had were straight on and they all had a tilt. I also DO NOT use the old Bing Crosby composite that was used (the one that allowed Cooper to stay hidden). Had they made the Rose Composite public when it was first done - Cooper would have died sitting a jail cell. All I did was try to do something simple - Slyactually I was trying to convince myself I was the only one who saw the resemblance. That is not how it came out. Smile AT Least I don't use the composite the FBI made available (the one you use) that allowed Cooper to go for years undetected. All of the photos I used have been posted in this forum - so your accusations are unwarranted. You take my words and my thoughts and twist them to fit whatever you want it to be and Madthen turn around and accuse me of what you are doing. SmileCrazyWhat you do is exactly what is done to diffuse - a witness on a stand, a suspect being questioned, what the FBI and others in our government do when they want to continue to conceal something. Disfuse, disfuse and confuse till the subjects and the public give up or someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit. I usually do not come on the computer in the day - but I had left it on because I was printing somethings out - and I saw your post and made a response. You do everything you accuse me of doing and you do not do it for any other purpose than malice. Just ignore my posts? There is absolutely NO reason for you to reply. As for U-tube - and some of these other programs - I have explained that I do NOT have anything but Dial-up. I have to watch the clips in incriments of second. If I could do all of that why the heck would I copy, print and cut and paste and then scan to get my results. I even said it was an exercise in futility as it would have probably have worked with any photo of any suspect - NO you have to make an issue out of it. I am not going to play your childish game. ShockedYour objective is to control the thoughts and imaginations of anyone who might even have a twinkle in their minds eye that Duane was Cooper and to do what the FBI has done for yrs with the old BING CROSBY composite. It is about control. ShockedWell, the the plane (the thread) is now under your direction - I wish you a safe landing. I expect you will crash the plane ( the thread) very shortly...but that has been YOUR objective all along if you were not able to controll me. Orange thank you for the nice post you made about the cut, tape and scan - if you can get that Jefferson composite - maybe you will find why it is such a big secret from me and others. Snowmman - I thank you for all of your past kindesses and wish you well. It will take me a couple of wks to print the thread if I am not in the hospital and if anyone has a question PM me and I will answer. Should the thread crash - I hope the forum will allow me a place to make a post to let everyone know what is going on.....and there is a LOT going on..... The SLC photo - Who the man was Ed Hurand - the WA/OR connection. The jump connection.. The cigarrette butts. The paper sack. The tie. Witness statements the FBI hid. The names of the others involved. JMWave connections Covert CIA and JMWave? This story is NOT over and when all is said and done - you will learn that Duane Weber was Cooper. Hide it in plain site - even the FBI couldn't find the evidence, but maybe I have been holding it all of these yrs...see the attached photo. CKRET: Does this put him on the plane? Smile Rather than to continue to speculate - why doesn't Ckret just contact Tina and ask if that is a photo of her and ask her about the "RECIPE FOR LIFE". Remember she spent a lot of time on that plane with Cooper - RECIPE FOR LIFE "It is better to say a good thing about a bad man, than to say a bad thing about a good man, none of us heeds the wise man's prayer, * may I never be caught talking, when I should only be listening". RECIPE FOR LIFE "Doing nothing for others is the undoing of ourselves." And more: RECIPE FOR LIFE To get away from yourself, help others. RECIPE FOR LIFE Some of our ills need: Prayer more than pills Aspiration more than aspirin Meditation more than medication. By The Grace of God Cooper survived and eventually learned the RECIPES of Life...and now it must go full circle. These recipes of life will continue to serve others at The Smorgasbord (This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 20, 2009, 12:06 AM)

That is so much cock and bull it is not funny. It does not take much to see thru you - not much at all...you are very transparent. What happened to the RECIPES for LIFE --- what are you trying to hide? You are absolutely right. Why didnt I see it sooner!? I have overworked everything. Thanks for your logical insight. Take care... Georger

You guys already wasted a bunch of time with the previous Secret Guy doing Secret Stuff in a Secret Picture. (That was probably picked up off an advertisement on the internet.) This is just another of those no-information games. It's your free time, but why do it again? Just start adding up the waste, over 13+ years. No other Cooper candidate has required this high an expenditure of resources. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ You could have paid the salaries of a school full of teachers for a year, from this alone. Is anyone keeping track? What is at the end of Jo's rainbow? Georger

I don't think these two photos are the same person and Tina's ears appear to have been modified in that picture - very unusual ears. You are speaking as an expert on ears? Jo you are paranoid. Who would have modified Tina's ears in the photo? Himmelsbach? Ckret? Me? Sluggo? The Tooth Fairy? The ears in the photo have NOT been modified. And they look like run-of-the-mill ears to me, cute ears, female ears, .......... its Duane who has the wierd triangular ears! Oh, and just to let know know, I will not spend one further moment on any future photos you post. I have you marked down as 100% NOT CREDIBLE. In my book you are 100% full of shit. Just for future reference -

You don't know that. You may think you do, but you can't. Jo, reporters manage to get mugshots all the time, surely someone can get the Jefferson one.. i don't believe the FBI is "hiding" anything. I'm afraid you will need a proper photo if you are to convince anyone. Like others on this forum, I don't believe Duane was Cooper, but I am willing to keep an open mind. But you will need a more convincing image to help! We are also still waiting to hear about the photo of the child. You honestly don't expect the FBI to go to Tina and ask her...surely?? Personally I don't believe it's her - the ear is the wrong shape at the top. I DID NOT say the photo was Tina. Georger was the one who said that. I did not even suggest the photo was Tina - Georger did that. No actually Sluggo sggested that IF YOU BOTHER TO READ THE RECORD BEFORE POSTING! I suggested your photo be examined by experts. I have just issued a report. The report says: 'you canot know the gender of the subject in the photo from the photo alone because true experts cannot even tell!' So, what are you trying to achieve by all of this? You have given this group a photo with nothing else but teasing and humilitation. What do you expect ayone to do with this? Nobody even knows what your contention is. You addressed your post to CKRET. Ckret isnt even here. You drove him off. What exactly do you expect anyone to do? Clap? Are you trying to drive everyone off ? Quade will very likely let you do that. Then what? Im just a voice in the wilderness on all of this shit. I dont have the faintest idea what Jo is trying to prove. And a whole panel of experts dont either! Is Jo the only one sane here? Georegr

Jo, if you contend that the child photo is Mucklow and was given to Cooper on the plane, just say so. What do you gain by teasing the forum? 377 I have news for the group. This may come as surprising. I hardly believe it myself. But, true to my passion for neutrality in this Cooper matter, I submitted Jo's child photo to: a panel of pediatricians, the office of a State Archaeologist with three physical anthropologists in residence, and a county medical examiner's office. I can report the following results - 1) all were reluctant to get involved owing to the case and the parties involved ... 2) ALL drew a blank and were unable to state with any assurance if the photo is of a boy or a girl! This is the serious professioal opinion of the whole group, to each person who looked at and examined the photo. 3) all stated that in their opinion "nobody but a specialist" can contend any sex for the child in the photo based on the photo alone. 4) the physical anthropologists stated that if this was a photo of bones and a cranium, they very likely would be able to determine sex, but the addition of flesh makes the matter uncertain at the age involved. 5) The pediatricians and the anthropologists both recommended a "pediatric forensic pathologist". 6) one person specifically suggested: "this is a matter for the FBI and exactly the kind of thing Quantico might be able to determine". Those are the results I obtained. Georger

Tina's ear looks more rounded at the top to me... (I presume that is Tina in the first pic?) I thought Georger's was a better match. Can anyone get hold of a proper forensic artist... this being the stuff they are trained in? People are aware of what's going on but can go no further until all of the holidays end and people are available again.

You have to stop this.

Glad to see Georger hanging in there through all the noise and entropy. Got a good laugh out of Snow's words about the forum being an immortal unkillable thing. Reply> Im hangin in there by my finger nails - Snow didnt say what you say. It was Snow's reply bot typing and it said: "about the forum being an immortal unskillable thing." That small typo makes a huge difference. I have myself in mind.

Was it ever positively confirmed that the Cooper plane landed in Reno with the door placard missing? I just want to be sure we can reasonably rely on the found placard to establish the flight path. 377 Yes, confirmed. Without revealing people's proprietary 'stuff' the placard sits/sat right on the fp. This has been pretty well confirmed three different ways as little as several months ago - ok? (smile) Also - had a very difficult time getting people today to finish inquiries - national holiday - Im waiting replies - Ckret was probably PM'd on one thing I sent out so he knows whats going on - tomorrow another holiday ........... these things always hit when everyone is out having fun. Just us mice minding the store

I will post this without comment - the task is to figure out whose ears are what. Basic ear structure does not change much over a lifetime except for the addition of fat. Other information is pending - Georger

Boy or Girl ? Put your bets in now, before the restoration is done.

How did Duane get away with no child support? did Zona's mom just blow him off and never contact him? I would think it likely she remarried. That kind of thing was very common in that era. Better to get rid of the "deadbeat" ad be done with it. (woman's & woman's family's point of view) Many men signed away their rights just to get out of child support. It was very common. By the mid 1950's it had become a serious social-economic problem. It was especially common in and around military bases .... Is your answering bot on 24 hrs a day?

Quote377...have you looked at the photo? It can't possibly prove anything... you can't see nearly enough! (Or can you identify from an ear? Serious question) Reply> Be patient.

Jo, Tell us about the photo. These teases serve no purpose. If this photo proves Duane was Cooper tell us why. IF Duane turns out to be Cooper I want to be the first on the forum to apologize to you. I don't think it will happen, but I do keep an open mind. 377 Apologise? to Jo Weber for her tactics? This was brought up before, by me months ago. I dropped it. Jo never uttered a peep in response - Snow either. But Jo really has put her ass in the can this time. She's claiming to have an actual piece of history. No hypothetical ticket or bank bag or piece off Cooper's handkerchief. And she is giving it away free to the world! That is a gracious act one seldom sees. An actual photo of Jesus, for the having! No Jesus on the toast this time. Gee thanks, Joe! Im just not going to say too much about this. But, I do see a pattern here. I don't see that Jo is doing Tina Mucklow any favour by bringing all of this up now (all over again)! Who is this serving? That is the question that matters. We all knew Jo had this photo, or something like it she was claiming. That's my response. Georger

In the way that red herrings do, maybe. Just hope you guys dontt wind up bogged down with it until August 09. Good luck - Georger

I do think Snow is right, at the very least the forum has collated and discussed a lot of other stuff out there that may have relevance to the case - the 727 airdrops, the tests on the bills etc. Reply> Zona should prove interesting also. Any bets on who will croak first: Jo or Snowmman? Georger

Attached is the avatar in it completed form. I didn't clip anything off the forum does that to make the avatar fit. Attachement - 1971 polaroid of Duane Weber cut in half and placed with the composite of Cooper cut in half. I then taped the two halves together and scanned them. Buck up Jo! You may win after all. This Forum has never about truth or finding the truth ..... or even about DB Cooper. As we all know YOU founded this Forum. This forum is only what you will allow it to be and say it must be. So cheer up. You are a Celebrity!

Snow... its not like I (and others) didnt think of trying (and even tried!) what Jo is trying, a long time ago. Attached a few examples. The problem is matching photos, angles, etc ... as you know. Photos represent features and features must line up to compare. Any tampering with a photo must preserve the underlying biometric proportions and only a pretty sophiosticated software can do that. I dont have the software so I didnt try it expecting serious results worthy of posting. . Maybe you do? I guess we are seeing a miracle in Jo's cut and paste. The polaroid just happens to be face-on and the right dimensions, the right angle, etc all to mate up perfectly with the Cooper sketch (whatever size it is). In addition Jo is using a sketch of her chosing. We allow Jo lots of latitude here. She isnt held to the same standards the rest of the world must follow. Jo is a special case. I never have that kind of luck as Jo has. I always have to work at things - ! Jo cuts cuts with sizzors and pastes with tape and VIOLA! The res of us are just not as skilled as Jo, and ONLY Jo Webert has the TRUE information. The FBI doesnt even have as much TRUE information as JO has - we all know that. And since Jo wont post her originals and isnt required to how can anyone know or judge. Jo is alway asking the public accept HER evidence as SHE wants it presented ONLY .... attached are my shitty composites I didnt post months ago - semi rotated, with proportions lost during rotation and still the skulls wont line up and are not the same. Do you want me to call my Senator and see if Jo can be appointed Director of the FBI? Maybe Jo can straighten the whole nation out! She will need your help. Georger