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The first paragraph of what you posted was from a google cached version of the joke page: here: http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:ruIK9EQjEfkJ:www.todayinah.co.uk/index.php%3Fuserid%3Dguest%40todayinah.co.uk%26searchfield1%3DFrance+being+debriefed+at+a+CIA+safe+house+in+France+was+shown+a+photo+of+Cooper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 "December 2 On this day in 1971, suspicions that foiled would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was a Soviet spy were confirmed when a KGB defector being debriefed at a CIA safe house in France was shown a photo of Cooper and identified him as one Dmitri Kaprinsky, a sleeper agent who'd been working undercover in the United States since the late 1950s. 'D.B. Cooper' was an alias created by the KGB to facilitate Kaprinsky's infiltration into American society." How I am supposed to take what you say following that seriously? You copied this first paragraph. What actual facts are you talking about? Have IQ's and manners dropped here 30 points? I already ex-schlained. Seeeeeesh. Get a life! G.

WTF are you talking about? What ID of CIA agents? G.

I postulated a Russian link based on actual facts. That it links to a joke page on 'what-if' history is a case of which came first, the chicken or the egg? Disregard the joke page(s). Focus on what I posted. What I posted is a theory. It maybe a weak theory but it is a theory based on facts I have linked together. The theory has at least as much merit as the Weber theory, and perhaps more. Does a KGB file exist on DB Cooper? Georger

Georger Hey Georger I'm assuming you're a fan of the fake history wiki's on the web with your russian postings? Contrast what you're making fun of with this approach: "Hi world..My name is Larry Carr, FBI agent. We think Cooper died, but we're hoping someone will call in and tell us who Cooper is. The phone number is xxx-xxxx" Now how in the world does something dumb-ass like that make sense? Reply> it is a funny ... the Russian link is viable so Im sorry you arent interested... Georger: how long do you think it would take me to find out what model snowblower you bought, if you bought one? (and what cost. I'm assuming I'd have to fly into your area) And I'm talking with no more info than you've offered so far. Would you bet against me? (edit) Oh maybe I can enhance the dumbass nature of the above "Yeah we have citizen investigators that are helping us" Better put your energy into the KGB file n Cooper. G.

Now that's clever Snow. Also tracing the dry cell was a good idea. In the early 60s I was my hardware store's only customer for those big screw terminal cells. I used them to power the glow plug when starting my model airplane engine. They'd stock a new one about every 6 months, I'd buy it and they'd order another. 377 "....ah yes, Agent 377, could I interest you in a nice ceiling fan - we have them on special right now - only $3.99! as for that battery, well yes, we had a guy in here last Thursday. Let me see. He purchased the model RA38A, I think. We have them on special also. Only $2.99. Ah yes well, this guy spoke perfect Russian. We had to get our Betty out of the warehouse to translate. That's our Betty Kippov from Lenningrad. Her dad's family settled here in 1830. Been 'round here longer than white people haeve! Say, I gotta son likewould like an autograph from a real FBI agent. Here, on this paper. Just write it in care of: 377. He think's he's an aeroplane!" Georger

His options kind of depend on where he lands? Where he lands has to connect in some way with the money at Tina Bar, just as the placard connects with the flight path. The fact of the $$$$$$ at Tina Bar means he lost some money, some how, somewhere. Now a new angle: does the KGB have a file on the Cooper matter? "On this day in 1971, suspicions that foiled would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was a Soviet spy were confirmed when a KGB defector being debriefed at a CIA safe house in France was shown a photo of Cooper and identified him as one Dmitri Kaprinsky, a sleeper agent who'd been working undercover in the United States since the late 1950s. 'Dan Cooper' was an alias created by the KGB to facilitate Kaprinsky's extrication from American society, except that their agent decided to leave a calling card which shocked the KGB." "His original plan was to leave his assignment at Seattle, but this failed. He then hijacked an aeroplane and jumped near Vancouver where he made a telephone call to his contacts and was picked up by boat on the Columbia near Vancouver making his way back north, and eventually back to Russia wherehe eventually faced thewrath of the KGB. The failure to connect him relied on the very old Rusian-Societ network established in the Northwest, who never turn in one of their own " "The FBI has always been reluctant to discuss this side of the story, for obvious reasons. One tipoff is the flares Cooper carried under the guise of being a bomb. Flares were standard operating procedure for military trained paratroopers dropping at night, at the time. The FBI made this connection very quickly and concentrated its efforts on a military connection." "The next tipoff was Cooper's use of American slang in order to establish himself as being mainstream American, when in reality there is no such thing as mainstream especially in the Norhwest. Kaprinsky also ordered a stiff bourbon, when what he really wanted was a shot of vodka. Kaprinsky's knowledge of the aeroplane was evident from his prior work as a avionics spy. Kaprinsky no doubt expected to be rewarded by his superiors back in Moscow, but he faced a rude welcome." Georger

You have been found out. What is your O-fishul spy number? Are you in charge of The Coverup, or merely the staff member responsible for day-to-day coverup duties? Merely staff. Although Im the only trained chimp on staff. I have to go to Menards and get a blizzard blower. BYE!

There was no reason for Cooper to be wandering aimlessly. Reply> Unless he was impaired or lost (didnt know where he was at), or waiting for something. Of course nobody knows, evidently. The best indicator to me is he waited to bail. He was basically ready and could have gone out any time from when Tina went forward until the pressure bumps. That has been calculated roughly as a 20 minute period. So what was he waiting for? I think he was waiting for the lights of Portland- Vancouver to come up, but I could be wrong. Ckret is convinced he did not know where he was at. Then money shows up at Tina Bar, and not by Duane and Jo's hand! He could have died and somebody finds him, takes the bulk of the money, and dumps his body into the Columbia or disposes of Cooper in some other way (close to Tina Bar). The problem is we have absolutely nothing to go on, so its all speculation. Georger

I'm still working on this one. I am inches from blowing this case apart. The total solution. Ah yes. Let me guess. DB Cooper was an FBI agent! It's the only thing that satisfies all the requirements, AND gives Jo Weber the REVENGE SHE IS SEEKING! Before you present this you had better run this by the Underbelly of this forum where the real decisions are made: you know who I mean. Attached are a few charts to help you with your consideration. Let's hear your solution! Jo is working with a new production company now and seeking ideas - so your post is very timely! Give her all you've got! Any Happy Thoughts now? Georger

well, the fact is you did PM me once and told me you had a viable candidate, and more. But I know you would never trust a serious photo to Honeywell or me. You work alone or with people you trust. Send it to Tom. Georger

For Georger I Am Sorry, I thought the email was directed at me - with all of the quotes and copies of replies we use it is hard to tell - I used to not do " reply" and it saved space. Then later because others might not know what post I was referring to - I started doing "quotes" from the post I was answering. Now I am doing what you guys do - it causes so many posts to show - I get lost, but what do you expect from someone "Most Likely to Get Lost in a Crowd." P.S. Georger - I didn't give the FBI a hard time UNTIL AFTER March of 2000 when Agent Hope told me that "Duane had never been in the Army nor at McNeil" and I had proof to the contrary, Yet the FBI propagated and still do a statement dated 1998 that Duane had been investigated thoroughly and ruled out as a suspect. For ORANGE: If you were smart enough to figure out I was responding to a post not meant for me - couldn't you just politely have stated "Jo, that post was not directed at you." As for Outbursts, at least I only expressed an emotion. No Jo, I wasn't that smart, I assumed it was meant for Georger. Read back at what you wrote and tell me honestly it "only expressed an emotion"?? Alas, and to think this used to be about Cooper. The score by now is Jo 780 and us 0. Somebody call this game before somebody gets hurt - is "0" a prime number? I used to know! G.

The only shame here is to me for having started it - I will end it then we can all get back to tracing wombats in Nairobi.

QuoteNo it's just funny more than anything. You went on about biometrics and simple measurements. Someone said they had a tool, which should basically just suck in anything. Yet it sounds like the pics are rejected based on a human scan. It's just funny. Reply> Itis funny because that is exactly what my friend said: "......... looks like these are yearbook photos........................ He didnt even submit them to the system. It is not our role to test the Honeywell system. You may think you are doing them a favor; they see it the other way around, in this case.... and I am in the middle! G.

Two other forces which might have helped bring money to Tina Bar or expose it, including earthquakes and storms/flooding. We discussed some of this before. Here are a few urls and notes Ive been exploring: http://www.fema.gov/news/disasters_state.fema?id=53 http://www.climate.washington.edu/stormking/ Earthquakes Recorded by the University of Washington Seismograph Network Since 1968: Major Earthques: ·1872 12 15 - Lake Chelan, Washington - M 6.8 ·1949 04 13 - Puget Sound, Washington - M 7.1 Fatalities 8 ·1965 04 29 - Puget Sound, Washington - M 6.5 Fatalities 7 ·1980 05 18 - Mount St. Helens, Washington - M 5.0 ·2001 02 28 - Nisqually, Washington - M 6.8 ·2002 06 16 - Kitsap Peninsula, Washington - M 3.7 ·2002 09 21 - Friday Harbor, Washington - M 4.1 ·2003 05 30 - Port Orchard, Washington - M 3.7 ·2003 06 20 - Carnation, Washington - M 3.6 **There were no major earthquakes during the period 11/24/71 - 2/10/80. However, there are an estimated ~1000 minor tremors in the State of Washington yearly, most concentrated in the west coastal plate area. These minor tremors do sometimes have a tidal effect which passes down the Columbia to the Portland-Vancouver area. See webites above for more explanation - ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Storms Washington – FEMA Declarations & WSU Wx storm records: 1983 01/27 SEVERE STORMS, HIGH TIDES, FLOODING 676 1980 05/21 VOLCANIC ERUPTION, MT. ST. HELENS 623 1979 12/31 STORMS, HIGH TIDES, MUDSLIDES, FLOODING 612 1979 02/13 WINDSTORM - KITSAP BLOWNDOWN - SEA + HOOD CANAL BRIDGE DESTROYED 1979 03/12 Flooding 3070 1977 12/15 WINDSTORM – PUGET SOUND 1977 12/10 SEVERE STORMS,MUDSLIDES, FLOODING 545 1977 03/31 Drought 3037 1975 12/13 SEVERE STORMS, FLOODING 492 1975 11/09-10 WINDSTORM – COASTAL STORM INCURSION MID OREGON TO FAR EASTERN WASHINGTON 1971 03/04 WINDSTORMS – PORTLAND TO OREGON COAST 1974 01/25 SEVERE STORMS, SNOWMELT, FLOODING 414 1972 06/10 SEVERE STORMS, FLOODING 334 1972 03/24 Heavy Rains, Flooding 328 1972 02/01 SEVERE STORMS, FLOODING 322 1971 03/25-26 SEVERE STORM, WINDSTORM – HIT PORTLAND-VANCOUVER 1971 02/09 Heavy Rains, Melting Snow, Flooding 300 1965 05/11 Earthquake 196 [no registered storms until 1971] =============================== Hopfully you willfind something here of interest. Georger

No need to apologize. I thought I was doing you a favor, not the other way around! Which do you think are the same person? They are all different people. You mean we have....criteria? Many on the top row look very similar, but its not my call in any event. Honeywell is the one doing the favour. I will pursue this to get clarification and see people say ... If you have a better way dont hesitate to pursue it. G.

For Georger I Am Sorry, I thought the email was directed at me - with all of the quotes and copies of replies we use it is hard to tell - I used to not do " reply" and it saved space. Then later because others might not know what post I was referring to - I started doing "quotes" from the post I was answering. Reply> Ok.

[observation] "Be nice to Jo month" might be easier without outbursts like this. And does Georger really know when Jo accesses her internet?[/observation] All I know is Jo is in Florida I guess. I am west of there. So I suppose I am supposed to post before 8:00pm my time to accommodate her? Now imagine what she put the FBI through! This is all so wearing its hardly worth it ... G.

I was surprised that the guy on the ramp was an old guy. It was funny how stiff he was. I looked closely at all the kickers on the plane, and I don't think the old guy was on the plane during any of the drops. I'm thinking he may have just been some part of the ground support. purpose: I think the camera crew came around, and they asked for a demo and everyone thought was stupid, and so they sent Old Joe down the slide, and Old Joe didn't know why so he tried to act serious with his hands at his side etc. Reply> See attached. My friend at Honeywell Corp rejected your photos. Too many and too many duplicates of the same person. Sorry. Georger Seems like he could have uses ONE at least - that isn't fair since Duane was considered a suspect. I am sure you had something to do with that. You mention a bail time but no one here has said anything. I expect you are playing with my mind and that is cruel. You know I will read that late at night an not be able to sleep. Are you trying to Kill me off? So far as I know your Duane photos are still going to be compared in the system - next week. My contact thought your photos were perfectly acceptable in fact, this was all set up for you to begin with. It was Snow's additions that my contact found too much. I will post more when I know it - This is all I know. GO TO BED! Georger

I was surprised that the guy on the ramp was an old guy. It was funny how stiff he was. I looked closely at all the kickers on the plane, and I don't think the old guy was on the plane during any of the drops. I'm thinking he may have just been some part of the ground support. purpose: I think the camera crew came around, and they asked for a demo and everyone thought was stupid, and so they sent Old Joe down the slide, and Old Joe didn't know why so he tried to act serious with his hands at his side etc. Reply> See attached. My friend at Honeywell Corp rejected your photos. Too many and too many duplicates of the same person. Sorry. Georger

Here are two pdf's you might want to read, as they explain tidal effects at Vancouver-Portland and Tina Bar. http://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil/nwp/Reports/Portland_Harbor.pdf http://www.co.clark.wa.us/water-resources/documents/SWMP/SOUP/Submittal/TM20_Large_Water_Exempt.pdf Tides affect all shipping/boating on the Columbia at Vancouver-Portland, they affect water levels in all estuaries and tributaries and drainage basins including Vancouver Lake and all its discharges including Lake River and the channel behind Catapillar Island. Attached is a map - It is unikely that tidal effects alone were responsible for the money being deposited at Tina Bar, but these effects could have been contributory. As the pdf's explain: the Columbia (at Vancouver- Portland) is a complex hydrological situation. Georger

The graph has been modified to show the time Cooper bailed - Georger

No, you misread, by "suspect" I was just agreeing with Snow saying I have no idea, I wasnt there. Maybe snowmman knows. Although I suspect 'wet' in this case is a relative term not a technical term, as in: 'Wet is, as-they-processed-the-wetness-and-separated- the-bills, is?' This is getting very complicated ... You are making a lot of assumptions which nobody here has the answers to. That much is assured and includes me first and foremost. Georger

Don't pout Miss Kitty - yer still the owner of this-here saloon. Just remember half the people can't read. The rest don't care. And the Snow can't last forever. George Yevtoshenko

QuoteAren't you guys forgetting something. I don't live in WA., but the Columbia at the point of Tena's bar is subject tides - right. Reply> At the bottom is Vancouver tidal data for 11-24-71 and chart attached - http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/tides.php http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/get_predictions.cgi?year=2009&stn=1038%20Astoria&secstn=Vancouver,%20Wash.&thh=+5&thm=45&tlh=+7&tlm=38&hh=*0.00&hl=*0.00&size=small 2009 NOAA Tide Predictions: Vancouver, Wash. (Reference station: Astoria, Corrections Applied: Times: High 5 hr. 45 min., Low 7 hr. 38 min., Heights: High *0.00, Low *0.00) By Month: January - Vancouver, Wash. Date Day Time Height Time Height Time Height Time Height Time Height 01/01/2009 Thu 10:13AM LST 0.0 H 05:51PM LST 0.0 L 09:30PM LST 0.0 H 01/02/2009 Fri 05:58AM LST 0.0 L 10:43AM LST 0.0 H 06:39PM LST 0.0 L 10:20PM LST 0.0 H 01/03/2009 Sat 06:33AM LST 0.0 L 11:17AM LST 0.0 H 07:36PM LST 0.0 L 11:25PM LST 0.0 H . . . http://www.almanac.com/tides/predictions/oneday.php?month=11&day=24&year=1971&number=9988 [NOAA Digest] selected: 11-24-71 for {deleted} Tide Predictions Vancouver, Columbia River, Washington PREV DAY For Wednesday, November 24, 1971 NEXT DAY NOTE: NOT FOR NAVIGATION AT REQUEST: TIME T HEIGHT T TIME 6:06 AM PST 1.10 feet Low Tide 10:53 AM PST 2.42 feet High Tide 5:23 PM PST 1.26 feet Low Tide 10:18 PM PST 3.16 feet High Tide DRAWN: 11-24-71 Georger