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Attached is the avatar in it completed form. I didn't clip anything off the forum does that to make the avatar fit. Attachement - 1971 polaroid of Duane Weber cut in half and placed with the composite of Cooper cut in half. I then taped the two halves together and scanned them.[/reply Bullshit. This forum does not clip photos to fit! Posters do that. Post your orginal photos or shut the fuck up! Georger

Are you fucking serious?! yes. you have a problem with that? I clicked my post, saw a few errors, went back to edit changes, clicked again only to find JO-BLOW had already answerd angrily, all in the space of 30-60 seconds! Jo-BLOW must sit on her damned computer just waiting for posts to roll in. The lonley-luney tend to do that? So why dont you get everything else off your chest? Maybe I will wait - Georger Georegr

And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. That is an excellent idea...

Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down. The SLANT is just one thing. It's a whole list of features. Post the original photos from which you made your composite. As for your *special information about what was told to the artist, which artist? Whose artist? When? You are the one making your posts, not me! People can only go by what you post. We aren't mind readers! Also next time at least allow me to finish my post and edit before you jump in ... you may want to read what I posted again and revise you HELL RAISING! ?

Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. There are other *major differences in features I could note but its a total waste of time. Weber *may in fact have different ethnic features than Cooper. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison.

"A model was developed, based on the power law of growth and Avrami’s concepts in nuclei growth to describe the heterogeneous nature of alkaline pulping kinetics, taking into account the effects of effective alkali concentration and temperature. It was then applied against published data to estimate model parameters. The final form of the model applied to alkaline pulping of thin hemp woody core in flow-through reactors could be represented by a first order rate equation with a time-dependent rate constant: The rate equations applied for delignification, cellulose and xylan losses. It was found that the heterogeneous kinetic models predicted well the delignification and xylan loss of hemp woody core, with R2 values of 0.96 and 0.97, respectively. The model was, however, less accurate in predicting cellulose loss. The values n, which could represent the acceleration/deceleration extent of growth of reacting volumes, were found to be less than unity. This demonstrated the heterogeneous characteristics of alkaline pulping for hemp woody core. Acidosis contamination was seen at 802um in line with the values n, which could represent the acceleration/ deceleration growth curves asigned. " Keywords: Pulping kinetics; Hemp; Delignification; Xylan; Cellulose also: "Swelling of hemp woody core chips after alkaline (peroxide) impregnation at 70°C, as is practised in alkaline peroxide mechanical pulping (APMP) processes is examined, in relation to pulp yield and chemical composition of the chips. In contrast to wood chips, maximum swelling is attained at elevated temperature (70°C) without chemical treatment, possibly as the result of relatively high porosity of hemp woody core cell walls. Alkaline swelling at 70 °C correlates with the xylan:lignin ratio. Swelling at ambient temperature shows some correlation with acidic group content. Apparent pore size distributions were examined, using 1H NMR spin-spin relaxation. Several apparent pore size distributions could be distinguished within each sample. Elevated temperature, NaOH and peroxide addition are influencing apparent pore size distribution and total pore volume differently. Addition of peroxide results in remarkably enlarged apparent pore sizes, which emphasizes its importance (apart from bleaching) in APMP pulping, enhancing fiber flexibility and fibrillation. Contact transfer times are yet to be delineated but would depend on TiO ratios in the absoption client." Revue / Journal Title Journal of wood chemistry and technology ISSN 0277-3813 CODEN JWCTDJ

QuoteI'm just looking for stuff I might not have noted before. this crop, if you save it and zoom in, is good for seeing what appears to be surface pitting in the white area. Could be embedded sand like Tom talks about? also, the brown stain stuff, that was in the FBI folder, seems to be on the top edge of this bill..i.e. it displays the non-uniform brown (water?) staining. it's also one of the better ones for seeing the telltale threads in the paper. You can see a good red one near the right center if you zoom in. A really good test for Tom would be a tensile strength test. Or another test: When I was a kid, I went to a lab associated with a large paper company. (I'm just remembering) One thing I remember: they tested toilet paper, and they had a gizmo for testing it's resistance to puncture. I suppose that's another way of doing a strength test. But a strength test seems to be a standardized way of testing rate of decomposition. It would at least be a bit of scientific data that could be related to decomposition predictions.[/reply: ----------------------------------------------------- skyjack71 Feb 12, 2008, 10:13 PM Post #150 of 7235 (1320 views) Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 1128 Re: [377] DB Cooper [In reply to] In Reply To , How do you get from a wilderness jump (or farmland jump) and blend back in when there is so much news circulating? Every guy who looked wet and disheveled was a suspect that night. "There was a cabin on the Columbia - owned by an individual who didn't live there."

QuoteI'm just looking for stuff I might not have noted before. this crop, if you save it and zoom in, is good for seeing what appears to be surface pitting in the white area. Could be embedded sand like Tom talks about? also, the brown stain stuff, that was in the FBI folder, seems to be on the top edge of this bill..i.e. it displays the non-uniform brown (water?) staining. RPY: "The word “manila” comes from the name of manila hemp which is native to the Philippines. manila folders were originally made from this hemp. The paper now used to make manila folders thick and durable. Paper can be placed fully inside of these folders without having to be folded. Some manila folders even come with closing flaps that will secure the documents inside. Whenever a document is needed, the flap can be opened in a way that won’t tear or bend it." Other References: ABSTRACT BULLETIN OF THE INSTITUTE OF PAPER CHEMISTRY, vol. 52, no. 9, March 1982, abstract no. 9929, page 1050, Appleton, Wisconsin, US; J.G. PENNIMAN Jr.: "Analyzing a new chemical approach to system stability in newsprint", & PAPER TRADE J. 165, no. 14: 34-35 (July 30, 1981) TAPPI JOURNAL, vol. 67, no. 11, November 1984, pages 72-76, Atlanta, Georgia, US; W.E. SCOTT: "A review of wet-end chemistry process control instrumentation" TAPPI JOURNAL, vol. 66, no. 3, March 1983, pages 141-144, Atlanta, Georgia, US; R.A. STRATTON: "Effect of agitation on polymer additives" ABSTRACT BULLETIN OF THE INSTITUTE OF PAPER CHEMISTRY, vol. 50, no. 6, December 1979, page 596, abstract no.5588, Appleton, US; R.A. STRATTON: "Principles of use of polymers as retention aids", & PROC. NE. REG. CONF. WET-END TECHNOL. (Boston), 16th November 1978: 21-42 (IPC, Appleton, WI) TAPPI, vol. 63, no. 4, April 1980, pages 87-91, Atlanta, US; J. MARTON: "The role of surface chemistry in fines-cationic starch interactions" TAPPI JOURNAL, vol. 66, no. 8, August 1983, pages 85-89, Atlanta, Georgia, US; S. D'INCAU: "Estimates of the rates of strain in the flow in the approach system of a paper machine" ABSTRACT BULLETIN OF THE INSTITUTE OF PAPER CHEMISTRY, vol. 52, no. 8, February 1982, page 1002, abstract no. 9477, Appleton, Wisconsin, US; Y. KUBOTA: " Method for strengthening paper", & JP - A - 10 709 981 (KYOWA SANGYO CO.) 25-081981 POLYMER SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, vol. 2, WATER-SOLUBLE POLYMERS, 1973, pages 3-19, Plenum Prss, New York, US; W.A. FOSTER: "Water-soluble polymers as flocculants in papermaking" ABSTRACT BULLETIN OF THE INSTITUTE OF PAPER CHEMISTRY, vol. 53, no. 6, December 1982, page 676, Abstract no. 6196, Appleton, Wisconsin, US; J.E. MAHER: "Role of alkenyl succinic anhydride in alkaline papermaking", & TAPPI PAPERMAKERS CONFERENCE (Atlanta) Proc Chenistry al dente'."

------------------------------------ Took you long enough didn't it? ----------------------------------------------------------- Reply> Alas, for once you have me. Can't respond. Won't respond. No need to respond. Carry on. With warmest regards - Georger PS* Be sure to glance over at my avatar as you read this.

The bullshit is stacking up so high here no self respecting moron is going to stick around. So guess its now you and the incessant Jo, her diseases, and whoever else has nothing better to do.

Took you long enough didn't it? Reply> Glad you think that.

Reply> Along the same line, things that fall inert leave an impact crater. No effort was made immediately following the hijack to look for signs of an impact or a landing, in spite of the technology and thousands of well-trained WWII veterans to do it. The cost would have been minimal. Given the large area of uncertainty arial photography would have helped. We covered this briefly before - G.

If Cooper had had GPS he probably would have thrown it out saying "I dont need that", thinking "I have flares and there is some trick involved in GPS and I cant take that risk"... G. :) just made me think of something. There is definitely a bias to the info the FBI releases to the public, which may work against finding Cooper. I was surprised at the Cooper replies "I don't need that". I think Ckret provided two examples of Cooper saying that. Why didn't the FBI highlight Cooper as a guy who says that? Heck that could be the thing that triggers someone's memory. Even though Ckret believed he was breaking with the FBI past history on the Cooper case, I think if we analyze it "in totality" as Ckret liked to say, Ckret's actions were not much different than the FBI approach for the last 37 years. ================================= Sluggo demonstrated, there have been many sp agents in charge of the Cooper case through the years - each with a different personality and approach. It's like any other large organisation; lots of diversity within. The FBI is not a monolithic culture of clones. When Sluggo said there was a 'missing link' in the Cooper case, I think his remark assumed the FBI had already applied good and diverse methods trying to dig up facts and solve this case. That something in this case was defying even the FBI. There are some extremely smart and experienced people in the FBI who have applied themselves to this case and come up short, and it is NOT a management issue. People in this forum have made progress - dont kid yourslf that has not happened. We all know far more tonight than we knew 9 months ago, and some of this is very specific, and some yet to be released via Tom and others. Several people are writing books which have the potential to be credible - We also know more about the Jo Weber case than ever before. The Forum may not have investigative probity but it has not been a waste of time. I come down on Jo for one reason: because I am searching. I am not a heartless son-of-a-bitch, just the opposite I am usually too lax. (Ckret picked up on that in me right away, the first week!) I wonder if any of us had been put in charge of this case, would the results have been any different? As well as bailing into the night, Cooper also bailed into history. The process of history tends to cover, cloud, and muddy things over. The FBI is as much up against that as we here are. G.

If Cooper had had GPS he probably would have thrown it out saying "I dont need that", thinking "I have flares and there is some trick involved in GPS and I cant take that risk"... G.

Agree 200% Snowmman. Obesity triggered diabetes is more of a national threat than terrorism. I laugh at these insurance policies that exclude terrorism and add a big premium if you want coverage. Hmm, lets add meteor strike and sinkhole submersion coverage too. The Iraq Bush described last night doesnt match any reports that I have heard from military friends who have recently served there. His immense personal pride in the fact that there have been no serious domestic terrorist attacks since 911 is misplaced. We haven't been attacked by space aliens either. I disagreed with his Dad's policies, but could at least like him. After all, he skydives!!! 377 377 Just think, you can say you survived Bush ... and Clinton, and Bush, and Carter, Nixon, LBJ, ......... the only good Presidents weve had in my lifetime are Truman, Ike, and Ford. Truman because his daughter played the piano, Ford because he played football, and Ike because he knew how to smile. Obama is already off to a bad start. He wants to replace steak with pineapple at Whitehouse dinners and there is something fundamentally wrong with that. Kind of like Jo's Salt Lake photo, as I see it! G.

This place gets in your blood. Only habitable place on Earth! (hee hee) The key is you are in the middle of everything. If I had anything better I wouldnt have anything to bitch about, and bitching is important!

I don't get so torqued about Jo's positions and the time one might waste pursuing or responding to them. I don't think she is consciously inconsiderate. She really believes what she promulgates and is on a mission. In general, we are far less kind to her than she is to us. 377 The Duane photos are in the hands of my friends at Honeywell. I havent the faintest idea what will come of this. It could all go up in smoke, it could be processed and a report issued, ... its out of my hands. All I do know is it was -41 just north of me last night, -28 here, after a week of hard WX and the boiler going out five times since Monday ... had my first night of sleep with heat last night. Its 3 above now and headed higher for the evening. Typical January here. How about that guy that set his bird down in the Hudson like a feather! G.

QuoteGeorger, Don't you have to be pretty darn close with a Brownie 620 class of camera to have the person appear as large as they do in the picture? I am assuming we are seeing the whole frame. The chevron man also appears as if he might be looking in the general direction of the camera. Reply> well yes. A Brownie would have to be close to get that size of image. Maybe Jo can tell us what the camera was. 10:1 she will say it was Duane's camera and she doesnt know - a Nikon or Zeiss or something. She just clicked the shutter and nothing more. The subject does look like he's looking at the people taking the photo. Look! All we have to do is send this photo to the CIA and say: WHO IN HELL IS THIS! JO WEBER DEMANDS TO KNOW!". That should bring a quick response and an apology, and maybe a free Big Mack and tickets to the Super Bowl? I will send it them tonight by email!! So given the proximity of the camera to the subject, the size of the camera (we are not talking MINOX here) and the fact that the camera is likely in the subject's field of view, how likely is it that this shot was really covert? If a photo would mean disaster for this person, one might expect him to grab the camera and/or rip the film out. I have seen cops do this when police brutality was photograhed back in the 60s. Reply> This is just some guy walking on the street carrying a suit bag, in a suit jacket that looks like a pilot's jacket. BEFORE HAIR TRASPLANT! I don't get so torqued about Jo's positions and the time one might waste pursuing or responding to them. I don't think she is consciously inconsiderate. She really believes what she promulgates and is on a mission. In general, we are far less kind to her than she is to us. Reply> unless you are Ckret or on the receiving end of her unsolicited PM's.

Nah..it's like the Alaskan gold rush. Best way to make money was to be the guy selling shovels. Instead of working both sides of the fence, I want to be the guy who sells fencing. Reply> Thats very obvious. But some people respect that. The thing you seem unable to accept is that Ckret made no promises - well actually he did. He said this was all temporary. He said this Forum was simply one element of a larger plan. He doesn't owe you an explanation in any event. And Ckret has superiors who are also accountable and must review what a Forum is accomplishing or not. That's how it appears to me. I suppose you and Jo could paint up a protest sign? I mean you Snowmman have said a thousand times none of this really matters to you and you didnt even mind if you were kicked off the forum, all in the very midst of some people trying to do some credible work here! That may be stylish and chic and in line with brilliance, but it hardly the kind of thing the FBI is going to hang its hat on. Just wave your hand. It wlll all go away and you will feel better. I really dont know what else to say because I am not smart enough to say anything better. G.

CIA disinformation program. However, I know that there is a perfectly logical answer that will be posted shortly. After all, the identity of this man will solve the case. My answer is: Jo thinks in stereotypes and she thinks her clients, (which is us!) do also. She thinks we will buy any damned swamp or bridge. Another detail about the photo is it doesnt seem to fit the date (era) she is claiming it was taken in. It looks older than what she is claiming. Its a very crappy photo done with a crappy camera - brownie 620 from the 60's? It could be a photo of anyone or any thing. She may know or not know, and not care. But she will send others out on a wild goose chase, in any event. As a person who knows Jo very well has advised: Take everything Jo says with a ton of salt. Let it go in one ear and out the other, and dont get bogged down in the swamp she is selling. She may not know herself what she has, or care. But she will act as if its important. She places no value on other people's time" Snowmman said band uniform. I thought pilot uniform. I didnt even notice the title on her photo until yesterday: "Before Hair Transplant". Its funny we all missed that, including Snowmman! I dont think Jo cares in any event. Its for us to have to deal with and figure out and she really does not care, and this Forum does not care. Jo does not have to play by any rules, while some of the rest of us do or try to! The game is rigged. If you give Jo Weber your time you are screwed. G.

I took it as irony, Jo appears to insist that you have postively identified someone as a CIA agent and thus yourself must work for a govt agency. I meant it as irony-sarcasm, just as you say. That we are spending time on this at all is what I wonder about. Did we all come here to dicuss Jo Weber or DB Cooper? Now, if you look at Jo's photo of the UNKNOWN official which started this morass, the title of the photo reads: BEFORE HAIR TRANSPLANT. So, Jo photographed some complete stranger for Duane who she now is trying to connect to the CIA or FBI, "before his hair transplant"? How do you photograph a complete stranger you see once and never again, "Before the hair transplant"? And you wonder why Ckret is not going to spend time here or the forum has not lived up to its potential as an investigative tool? Photo attached -

WTF are you talking about? What ID of CIA agents? G. Chevron Man. This forum, or whatever it is, seems to be off topic. Wildly off topic for extended periods at times. The Jo Weber Industry and Snowmman's brilliance dominate everything here, or maybe it's just me. Im not sure. Im leaving for all practical purposes and hopefully you will all do better without me. Georger

WTF are you talking about? What ID of CIA agents? G. Chevron Man. Chevron Man was identified as a MORON PIONEER! (slip of the tongue) MORMON PIONEER By me. You have ME confused with JO who is searching for a CIA link with the Chevron... My cousin Pam was a Bell exec for years in Salt Lake City so I asked her - that's what she thought but it was a pure guess based on offices in that building she remembered. In the context of the the Weber matter does it even matter? I explained all of this before. G.

The first paragraph of what you posted was from a google cached version of the joke page: here: http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:ruIK9EQjEfkJ:www.todayinah.co.uk/index.php%3Fuserid%3Dguest%40todayinah.co.uk%26searchfield1%3DFrance+being+debriefed+at+a+CIA+safe+house+in+France+was+shown+a+photo+of+Cooper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 "December 2 On this day in 1971, suspicions that foiled would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was a Soviet spy were confirmed when a KGB defector being debriefed at a CIA safe house in France was shown a photo of Cooper and identified him as one Dmitri Kaprinsky, a sleeper agent who'd been working undercover in the United States since the late 1950s. 'D.B. Cooper' was an alias created by the KGB to facilitate Kaprinsky's infiltration into American society." How I am supposed to take what you say following that seriously? You copied this first paragraph. What actual facts are you talking about? I said 50 times - THEORY THEORY THEORY THEORY THEORY. Do you need the word explained OR is it that YOUR theories are the only THEORIES that matter here? What is this? You explain.... if this is something more than pure smarm on your end? G.