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Following up on this, [1] we need a Wanna-be Channel. A place where all confessors and promoters can go to share thoughts, express stories, and hone their skills. Confessing has progressed and Jo may be setting the standard. Keep busy. Be vigalent. And by all means know your enemy, which includes anyone with an IQ over 60 who bothers to say 'let's look into this'. The Wannabe Channel may be the coming rage! Kind of a welfare niche for people who cannot function in the normal venues of crime, or who have had a vision, or those who are 'just seeking the truth' ... [2] Why the long drawn out delay in assembling the full resume which was Duane Weber? What is Jo hiding and why has she been hiding it so long, if we are to believe (as Jo says) that Duane was a fully functional independent individual, and not some dependent ? Jo seems to cherish the time she and Duane spent together and worked together in life. She says Duane "changed" to become the model citizen, while also displaying a certain "mystery" which Jo plainly says now reveals the deeper truth of who Duane was: DB Cooper! It is as if the DB Cooper side of Duane Weber was a minor momentary epileptic episode, after which there was near-perfect recovery (and forgiveness). Jo is able to work within these margins without any fit of conscience because its all perfectly normal, in Jo's jurisdiction. But, if the Prophet has a flaw is the message still pure & trustworthy & crucial? It matters not to Jo. That is the lesson of Duane Weber. That anything is possible in the marketplace of ideas, and there are no contradictions even if confessing to a crime! The confessor and the criminal are separate but also one for the sake of confessing, and there is work to be done, and miles to go before anyone can sleep ... so the process continues as Jo continues to tell us about and speak for, Duane Weber. It's like a John Wayne movie where everything turns out well. And the gold winds up in the bank.

The DB Cooper legend just wont die. Nobody is paying for Eldridge Cleaver impersonators these days. Wonder who will land the DB Cooper job and how much they will resemble the FBI drawings? 377 In time we will know quite a lot about Cooper and who he was and was not. That is guaranteed. It's only a question of time. For one thing within twenty years you will be able to do complete reconstructive dna. With the right data bases you will be able to zero right in on him ... The same for the money and the route it took, if the right people decide to do the work. This isnt a question of "if" but only when and decicing to do it.

QuoteGood ones Georger! Hey times are tough, Reply: You bet they are! I am fully in favour of home gardens. Its the best thing a person can do. A little time working with the soil each day brings people back to their roots. Clears the mind. Which brings up a totaly undiscovered facet of the Cooper Maldum Fornax. IE., clues buried in Jo Weber's yard. How did we overlook that! ??? The FBI really did screw up BIGTIME! Hell, they were standing right there at Jo's with clues very likely right under their toes, and nobody brought along a shovel. They turned up the length and breadth of Tina Bar and forgot to dig Jo's yard up. Without a doubt Duane buried something of importance int his case! Jo has said so! This situation must be remedied immediately. Diggers? Get ready! Will process th rest of your comments and come back with more ideas. I have barely begun. Georger

I agree. You dont settle these things by merit, but by a popularity vote. Jo then wins by a wide margin. The dental angle is interesting. Fillings. Metal detector. Jo there's your new angle. Drop the motion movies and pursue teeth. Surely Duane lost a tooth during the hijack and "somebody" has it. The dna and carbon dating from that tooth would prove conclusively Duane was on site on the date in question and it was Duane Weber and none other. This Duane Weber is and always was DB Cooper aka Dan Cooper. Unless of course House Bill HR:666 takes effect first! We have been so busy here prosecuting the Jo Weber case for "Duane Weber" I forgot to mention this. House Bill HR:666 will limit the amount of time persons have to make claims to their own candidates being DB Cooper, also known as Dan Cooper. These names: "DB Cooper" and Dan Cooper" would be trademarked by the Federal Government and no person could use the term beyond a set time limit. People advocating their candidate for elected DB Cooper status would have 3 years to present their cases. Beyond that time no use of the names "DB Cooper" or "Dan Cooper" could occur, subject to strict fines and imprisonment. The bill is basically an environmental protection and reclamation act intended to "clear the air" of all harmful social and cultural substances, especially where the mental health and 'sagacity of the general public' are concerned. Subsequent generations would thank us for these actions - The House Bill known as the "Jo Weber Act" is currently being written and will be presented for public evaluation soon. House Committee on Nosferatu Prolifation of DB Cooperphaelia: HCNPDBC

I agree. You dont settle these things by merit, but by a popularity vote. Jo then wins by a wide margin. The dental angle is interesting. Fillings. Metal detector. Jo there's your new angle. Drop the motion movies and pursue teeth. Sure Duane lost a tooth during the hijack and "somebody" has it.

Ahh Now ! So you want the LEGEND to continue and for the truth to never be known . Now we all know why you come here - for self-fulfilment. ==================== Quote Tuesday, August 1, 2000 Associated Press PACE — Jo Weber believes her late husband was skyjacker D.B. Cooper, who vanished after parachuting from a jetliner with $200,000 in ransom money 29 years ago. The 60-year-old Pace woman said her late husband Duane Weber told her he had a secret as he lay dying of kidney disease at age 70 in 1995. A 1981 FBI artist's rendition (top) shows D.B. Cooper as he looked in 1971 when he disappeared after parachuting from a skyjacked jetliner with $200,000 in ransom money. Jo Weber of Pace claims that her late husband, Duane Weber, shown in a photo taken about 1977 (bottom) was Cooper. Pensacola News Journal/Associated Press "I'm Dan Cooper," he whispered. Determining the truth and persuading others his admission was genuine has been a passion for the real estate agent who met Duane Weber in Atlanta six years after the skyjacking. They married the following year in Colorado where he was an insurance agent. "I can't get on with my life until I get this behind me," Jo Weber told the Pensacola News Journal for a story in Sunday editions. What became of Cooper has been a mystery since he jumped from a Northwest Airlines plane between Tacoma, Wash., and Portland, Ore., in 1971. Retired FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach, of Woodburn, Ore., who was in charge of the investigation through 1980, said the Florida Panhandle woman's story is credible and persuasive. A forensic reconstructionist who has worked with the FBI also said the similarities between composite drawings of the skyjacker and contemporary photos of Duane Weber are about as close a match as possible. Other evidence includes Duane Weber's familiarity with the area where Cooper bailed out, his Army service and a criminal record that included serving time in a prison near Seattle. Himmelsbach, however, said the deathbed admission is the most compelling factor. For one thing, Duane Weber referred to Dan Cooper. The skyjacker bought his airline ticket under that name. D.B. was an officer's mistake that stuck. When Jo Weber failed to understand what her husband was talking about, he became angry and shouted "Oh, let it die with me." The FBI investigated her story and concluded in 1998 there was insufficient evidence to make a determination one way or another. "What we need to bear in mind is that there have been over 1,100 serious suspects and several thousand less serious," said Seattle-based FBI agent Ray Lauer. He added that several involved deathbed investigations. Jo Weber complained the FBI looked into her story only because Himmelsbach suggested it and said the agency "treated me like scum." "Duane Weber has not been discounted," Lauer said. "So if there's new evidence pointing to him we would look more closely at him as a suspect."

Where are YOU getting this garbage from. I never noticed that Duane had any unusual gate. He did not walk with a limp. This was something note by others and has been taken into consideration. I lived with the man and yes I knew he had one hip higher than the other because I hemmed his pants - but NO noticable limp or gate obvious to me unless his knee hurt. ================== Ahh Now ! So you want the LEGEND to continue and for the truth to never be known . Now we all know why you come here - for self-fulfilment. ==================== I have NEVER contradicted that or made a claim otherwise. Any limp Duane may have had other than an occassional knee ache or when he broke his leg in the later yrs was not known to me. ==================== Where did you get this GARBAGE? If you have access to his medical records from the prisons or physicians - then you NEED to reveal that. Even I don't have access to his prison medical records.

In my heart, I knew there had to be a Magruder tape. I knew it would surface, just a matter of when. Now we have to do the frame by frame analysis. Yes, I can see how Duane was probably skulking about, hiding from the camera. So it's a videotape? I thought you had said film at one point and was thinking 8mm or Super8. Is this some kind of VHS tape? A video of Duane at a party, obviously hiding from the camera, it's gotta be worth a couple million in distribution rights? (edit) I'm thinking of a Youtube release, so people could do some techno mashups. Tubes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtOoQFa5ug8 Finally, there's evidence. Fish#1. Do they pay you for this?

I deleted my first reply to make a shorter better one. Duane's medical records exist. The FBI has them. Others have them. Duane's medical records speak for Duane. This was Duane's heritage from his actual life. He never said he was DB Cooper. Jo Weber said that, after Duane was dead! Jo can try and avoid Duane's medical records but she cannot change them and fortunately she cannot remove them either! The central issue is Faith vs Science & Fact. I have come to see Jo Weber as essentially a _____. She always rebounds with a smirk because she knows all she has to do is cast her net one more time and she will drag in something or someone. Jo is a fisher of souls, and a little property thrown in along the way doesnt hurt either! Most people 'searching for the truth' know when they've hit a wall. Anything beyond that is neurosis and cult activity and commercialism. And Jo knows all of this! Therein is the key. Jo knows what she is doing and she has known for 13+ years. Anyone who wants to join her cult is welcome to do it. But there is not one shred of evidence that Duane Weber ever said he was or claimed to be DB Cooper. Everything has come from Jo Weber and her production activity AFTER Duane Weber was dead and no longer available to speak for or even defend, himself. So far as I know Ralph Himmeslbach has never spoken publically on this issue. Again, all we have is Jo Weber's accounts of "what Ralph Himmelsbach said or did or thought". There is something basically wrong with that picture! But make no mistake about this. Jo will cast her net again! And if she survives Himmelsbach she will have a LOT to say about what Ralph Himmelsbach said and did et cetera. The time has arrived for Himmelsbach to speak publically about this. If he does not he runs the very real risk of leaving it to Jo Weber to speak for him, after he is gone! I shudder at that prospect. Georger

While the motion studies of a vampire might be interesting to some public the larger question remains: Nosferatu do not Parachute! Vestibular dyntroxius makes that impossible. You have spoken about Duaner's vampire gate before. COOPER WAS NOT REPORTED AS HAVING A VAMPIRE'S MOTION OR GATE! COOPER WALKED PERFECTLY NORMALLY. NOBODY CLAIMED COOPER WAS NOSFERATU. ONLY YOU MAKE THAT CLAIM IN BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND DUANER. Once you are done sucking the blood from the Cooper industry will there be anything left for the coming generations? You are aware aren;t you that all claims about Duane being DB Cooper come from you. Duane Weber, petty criminal, never left one thing of his own to indicate he was DB Cooper. THATS YOUR STORY! Every witness to the Cooper hijackling sayed Cooper was physically normal. Had a normal walk and motions. Duaner Weber's early medical records and examinations at prisons tell another story which documents Weber's physical conditions YEARS BEFORE - THE COOPER HIJACK EVEN OCCURRED! You cannot claim Duane's wierd walk and hip malformation was the result of a parachuting incident. It existed prior to DBCooper and 11-24-71 even happening. Now. If you want to claim you and Duane were nosferatu I can perhaps believe that. That Duane infected you and you are "only seeking the truth"! There is medical help today for this condition and you have been told that 10,000 times. You come here to a DB Cooper & Parachute Forum and want to talk about vampires and your personal mental problems and the size of Duane Weber's gonads! Find another outlet.

well, viruses and trojans work this way. It's a mistake to assume there is no control thread, though. The goal is always maximum penetration of the public domain. Allowing information to be slightly uncontrolled (in appearance) gives maximum dispersal. Jo is NOT a genius! Jo goes in predictable cycles and always will. Jo's mistake is in thinking SHE is in control. She isn't. She will never understand what went wrong.

QuoteThe best Jo has to look forward to is an endless legal fight that she can never end. In the meantime Jo laughs on, she has a throng of admirers, and Duane lotto tickets are selling well.

This is weird. Most of the advanced human motion software is used in FPS video games, which provides the cash for "better". When Halo 3 was released, there were rumors that Duane Weber body motion was somehow captured and used in the game. Also: evidently one of the designers was a jumper and the "Halo" name was always sort of an in joke. I did a lot of search work, and I think the fighter in this trailer is based on the human body motion of Duane Weber, after he landed from Flight 305. Also: are the kids looking up at the night sky looking for Duane/Cooper? Did two kids really see Duane? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCsdPszJLNQ Why does it say "Finish the Fight" ?? That rhymes with "Hide in plain sight" which can be spelled (homonym) as "Hide in plane site" At first, I thought that meant something was hid on Flight 305. But now I'm thinking "plane site" is actually a cryptic reference to dropzone.com, which is a plane-related web site? Still not done spidering the web. Google's crawl of the web continually gets in my way. Ought to be a law. (edit) Note the US Army has my back on this post. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/events/playandwin/sniperschool/ Without sales-marketing agent Jo Weber there would be no Duane Weber~DB Cooper! The world wouldn't even know the name. Jo aimed low on purpose deciding that Duane-the-Prophet wouldn't float to get market share. She lost all the significant rights years ago. Wooops! The best Jo has to look forward to is an endless legal fight that she can never end. In the meantime Jo laughs on, she has a throng of admirers, and Duane lotto tickets are selling well. DB Cooper? Who was that? What was that? Maybe they will teach it in a history class someday.

I don't know Nigel but there is a pic of a round, and for some reason some of these old fogies who have been aroud many years just put "1" or "2" down when they have hundreds or thousands of jumps. I'd guess Nigel has more than one jump Violent/politics and religion? Sounds like my astronomy club - people who want and think they control the world. Then they cant find the keys to get into the gate and always call for help at 3:00am. We always send a deputy down to see if they are drunk, and o escort them home. But without them there would be no astronomy club! They are the only ones that always show up for meetings, even in blizzards!

well, know know more about it than I do. I have a feeling you know more about it than you do!

Maybe Quade can do a reverse "sticky" - ie this thread is stuck at the bottom of the page Seriously though the waste of bandwidth 90% of the posts on DZ.com are noise. With the direction this thread has taken it may be appropriate to move it to the bonfire - at least there is some serious competition for top slot there! His vita says 1-jump. And now he is expert! Perhaps to take up tiddly winks or water wading and be expert there?

Yes, in the same way that those of us who consider Bonfire or, especially, Speakers Corner a "waste of bandwidth" on a skydiving site can ignore them. I dont think this any anything to do with bandwidth.

Have you looked at this site? http://www.historicaerials.com/ It has some aerial photos of the Washington State area going back to 1939. very nice link - thanks.

================= Now I AM SHOUTING - that was uncalled for ------- We were at Tena's bar and the Fazion home - and if the arial pic you are talking about is dated May 2001 or before - with the square shaped house - then it sure looks different standing in the parking lot and looking back up at it from the river than it looks from the air. I Why don't you get a picture of that house from the back and front and also while you are at it check the building permits - if it was not rebuilt - it may have been remodeled. I will concede that the location might be the same because of the incline - from the parking lot and the shoreline. They definitely took out some trees. Why don't you repost the arial you are declaring was in existence prior to May of 2001 and I will re-examine it. By reposting it only for me - this makes sure we are referring to the same arial. Going on about a cover-up and a faked Moon landing is ridiculous. I HAVE maintained the FBI did NOT do their job - that doesn't mean there was a deliberate cover-up. There is a difference you know. In my anger at some time over the last 13 yr. I may have called it a cover-up, but I never expected to have my every word analyzed. You take someone my age and from my background - ask them about this "mistakes result in a cover-up because people lie to cover-up mistakes". I do not lie to cover-up the mistakes I have made - I keep telling what I do know hoping someone knows more. When I make mistakes I owe up to them when it is put to me in irrefutable documentation and pictures. The FBI has never admitted they were in error regarding anything in the investigation of Cooper or Weber...so in my mind that is a cover-up. I can prove the FBI lied to me about Weber...ask yourself WHY. If it was a honest mistake - WHY NOT ADMIT IT. why does any of this matter, except for accuracy? How does identifying Fazio's home vrs. the cow barn affect the Cooper matter? G.

Its my understanding a policeman had already been given the back packs at Issaquah (sp?) when Cossey pulled up in his car with two NB6 back packs he had brought from home. All of the chutes personally packed by Cossey, so you would think he would know the details of the NB6's (two) he gave? I have all of the old posts on this matter filed if you want me to dig and repost them? G.

There have been a few people who posted (months ago) claiming to know Cossey. I read their posts with interest. I believe one or more of these people was credible. For example, these people would not reply to my questions or give me the time of day - and I took some amusement and reassurance from that. It added to their credibility, from my perspective, for why should some outsider be granted credibility in a closed circle of associates, based on what? I believe Cossey has feelings in this matter. I believe he also has credibility. I think people should leave it at that because fundamentally what else can any outsider do? Without Cossey it would have been a mess on the ground at SEA.

Given a relatively cleaner than expected bottom, the finding of this small piece of nylon may imply that if anything was there to be found, it was likely found? Too bad Tosaw has not used vid cams in his searches! Sounds like he's a hook and drag-net kind of guy. He did use scuba divers but they didnt photograph either?. On the evening of 11-24 (in the rain) few people would have been out milling around on the river, I would imagine. The next day and after many people out and about, and nothing noticed except for the kid and his tall tale of a man and a parachute hanging in a dead tree (I like the "dead" tree part!). The father calls "we must go home" and nothing is done. How many parachutes and dead guys does the average kid see in a day, or tell his father about, following right after DB Cooper hijacks a plane and jumps somewhere? Humans are everywhere and refusing to go anywhere, all at once! I have never been able to resolve this contradiction about the human condition, not even with the help of Kanzantzakis. Its all mush to me.

Regarding Cooper: With so many people looking for so many yrs one would expect a bone or part of the chute or rig to have been found....yet, NOTHING except the one find of money in 1980. We are talking a major crime - not a random drowning - the Columbia was well observed for yrs after the crime and even more so after the find of the money. The Columbia didnt care if this was a major crime, to humans! Cooper may not have even thought it was the big deal others made it. As far as I can tell the Columbia wasnt monitored or searched at all. The search effort was way north and east into the Washougal, then later around where the placard was found. The effort at the Columbia only started after the money was found, after efforts at Portland, Vancouver, and Seattle failed to turn anything up after years of no progress. All of this is part of the enigma.

Quoteworrying about no body found in the Columbia is pointless. It assumes, for instance, that all other drowning victims in the Columbia have been found. They haven't been. Reply> In fact, except in the back areas, the Columbia is so large with such powerful currents, one could expect evidence to wash away quickly, not to mention the additional factor of currents in floods which occur like clockwork on this river. (The clean condition of the bottom from the video snaps posted is further confirming evidence.) In this light, the Tina Bar money find may be exceptional.