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If the account I related is not accurate, then does anybody know any bank employees from the day that could tell the real story on what went on behind the scenes to get this package ready? uhhhhh yea. read the thread ?

However, he also said that his mother had told him that the interior of the rubber bands were "gooey." He didn't seem to be exactly sure how that could happen, and the circumstances didn't allow for me to continue. Later, I forgot to pursue the matter. Ok Dude. I will give you and Gray one, for ole times sake: Brian forgot to tell you his mother in cleaning and trying to restore the bundles (and some of the bills with band fragments on them) treated (soaked!) some of the stuck-together money with CLOROX BLEACH, in an effort to clean and brighten the old money, rid the money of dirt, decay, and mold and bring the lustre back. It quickly proved a mistake! Gooey gooey on my shooey shooey. Horror-struck at what was happening with money melting before her very eyes, she quickly dumped the lumps into water, and more water. Live and learn. This is a true story DECODED couldnt even make up. This comes directly from Mrs Ingram who, as far as I am concerned, is a very nice and wise lady. Brian is fortunate to have her for a mother. Because, the parent's first inclination was to try and restore as much of the money as possible in order to make it presentable and redemable at a bank. The Cooper caper, or any other criminal link, hadn't entered their minds up to that point. The smell was still evident (according to witnesses) when the Ingrams walzed into the Portland FBI office with the money. Funny. das ist alles von mir. radaq shalom.

Imagine you are up on the Washougal and you throw out 100 items that float...all duplicate items. What are the chances of three ending up in the same spot on a riverbank miles away? It doesn't make sense. . Now if BIG BIRD comes by and they stick to his foot, and somewhere later airborn he shakes his foot near Tina's Bar ... the odds of that are no worse than your story!

By tomorrow, I will have that phone number, too, courtesy of a guy I know in NYC. And to visit people there, you most likely will have to sign in and present ID. This is prevent people from just walking around and theiving out of residents' drawers, or causing other problems. Now I know you wouldn't do anything like that. But you had better be NICE to the old guy, that's all I'm saying. He's a person...not just some pawn you can kick around any way you wish for your Cooper Case Chase. I don't know. Seeing your previous methods with some of the people you've (tried to) interview, I may make a warning call to the facility. Not to have you stopped from interviewing Sheridan, but to make sure a staff member is present to cut you off if you start getting strange on the guy. You know...like when you got hostile when Dormuth wasn't buying your 'I wanna be your press agent' routine. You DO know that members of the Dormuth family have seen that article you wrote about them, right? How about drawing up a list of solid questions for Sheridan and behaving yourself. Besides, you'll get better results. Take a voice recorder, a camera, have your questions ready in a notebook. In other words, do a professional interview. You got pretty close with the parachute-ownership article. Learn from that. You need a digital voice recorder? I'll give you a spare one I have lying around. Some possible questions for Sheridan? No problem. Suggestion: I would DELETE the disparaging comments about Dormuth's personals from your Mountain News article. It was part of the reason you got blown off by Ayn Dietrich. They've seen that article, too. You should clean it up a bit. It's not smart to say bad things about a former FBI agent unless you are blowing the whistle on him or something. There's a lot of brotherly love going around the Bureau, especially with former agents. They don't like to see that stuff written about their own, and I don't blame them. A very strong hint has just been dropped on you here, Bruce. I hope you understand it, because I'm not going to elaborate. I thought last night you were depressive and said you were leaving ? Must have changed your karma in the last 24 hours? eh?

from ckret old post: The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of this. The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and handed over to NWA. The money was bundled in various counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared the money was hastily gathered. Haaaaaaaaaaaaa lelulya Haaaaaaaaaaaaa lelulya! Omni potens adoramus quite maximus est! Prize won.

It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that three bundles could float miles down a river, and stay together long enough (unless they had strings attached to each other) and end up in the same spot. . Big Bird tells me one of Kaye's experimental bundles traveled 5 miles or more - that was unexpected. woooops. Did I just reveal something Im not supposed to !? Im sorry.

You dont say. Eh?

This would answer one of the previous inconsistencies where I questioned how Cooper would have Special Ops experience but didn’t know how to operate the aft stairs. This may (may here don’t get a tattoo yet) explain how Cooper knew Tina would not need to be lashed inside the fuselage but did not know how to operate the stairs since there weren’t any when he jumped previously (as a Special Ops Spy of Death). Now this can become some ore in the data mining cart and added to the BS list of reasons why Cooper was Special Ops because it NOW matches the pre-plotted conclusion. That one is easy - it relies on Franco-Lithuanian- Dutch-Persian-Canadian psychology: Cooper was of the special ops tribe, but due to a feud with some General in another tribe, he was not allowed to jump a 727 out of TSNhut, Udorn, Utapao, Blaisdale, or Viagra AFB either. He was allowed to buzz his hometown at Mach 1 however. Came in straight over Maggie's farm. Thus he hijacked flight 305 in order to show them and complete his destiny! Some Mormon may have convinced him he had the right. Mormons are good at swinging from the tree of double standards. Missing from the table is a shrunken head. You saw 'Apocalypse Now' didnt ya, eh. How many levels of beaurocracy would it take to jump one man from a 727 during the Vietnam Campaign, start to finish? But nobody knew! If that is true then Marilyn Monroe was a man!

If youre going to jump a round at night, whats priority number one? (other than a gear check) a jock strap.

I cannot find evidence that the 727 was used for dropping people in Viet Nam, just rumors, but it sure was used for that in Thailand, we've seen the videos. Those were test jumps, not operational jumps. I welcome Dan to the forum. He is an old school jumper and an airline pilot, really good credentials for this quest. 377 Keep playing dumb. It enhances the show.

377 - ~$3100.00 ... I guess.

It is indeed touching that those three words were his last Jo. 377 alleged words. why am I having to remind an attorney of this ! eh?

Where are pictures, drawings of, or plastic bottles containing some rubber bandy evidence? It says the rubber bands are a fact (‘known fact’ for this thread) but they seem to be like Sasquatch and UFO facts in that only a select few and self identified have seen them and they have already said too much. Now Brian is telling Bruce that the money was grabbed by the FBI and separated then put into envelopes without mention of the rubber bands or existing artifacts. Is this fact about the rubber bands in fact a statement from someone and nothing more? If there were three bundles which I assume (assume) were banded at least individually, there would be some rubber band ‘bones’ stuck between the stacks the FBI separated. I mean there are fragments of titanium being found in neckties but no chunks of rubber bands? Is this more ‘You know what I mean’ type stuff being slammed around like paratroopers jumping off aft stairs in Viet Nam? Its a another miracle. Just a few years ago Brian Ingram knew almost nothing about 'that day'. But after extensive therapy following the Abracadabra Diet, Brian Ingram now knows everything about 'that day'. Its a bloody miracle eh? Previously the boy had to rely on his mother and Jerry Thomas for everything. Now Brian is an independent contractor, hallelulya! See what therapy can do!? Attached is some more therapy. Take note of page four.

Just notch back Robert, don't quit. Just drop by from time to time. That will allow you to focus on your immediate revenue generating tasks and still keep a foot in the water here. I enjoy having your particpation here and I'll bet I am not the only one. 377 Camp Director: Charlie Manson has free time! You can truck more replacements across the border also. You ARE the Cooper case now. Its your destiny. Its whatever you and your friends decide. Keep up the good work - eh? .

I haven't forgotten 377...and yes it is a possibility. Now I just need to get back home...of course the long way...ha ha... hangdiver good work.

So Georger is correct. Only Tina, the only possible source for clearing up the confusion, should be interviewed again. R99 Hancock also - Flo maybe?

Tina did not say it seemed he put the parachute on quite easily, therefore he is of the Ghawazee tribe, in Egypt, and reads Swahili. Mark, you pick and chose what you want to do and believe, in any event, so Im really not sure any discussion means anything, or can produce anything more than a social media moment dragged on for months/years. Geoff calls that the Cooper curse. This is very old ground for some reason. The issue of 'ease' of putting on chutes was discussed years ago. Hancock and Tina's (and Flos ?) remarks were noted. Ckret really didnt say much about this, just as he demured from answer your and Snow's question (of him) 'whats this "negotiable American currency" thing about? Then he addressed the larger issue of 'logs and reports' and who and what is said in them. That was your answer from Ckret. But Mark being Mark, and Snow being Snow, you have not accepted that. Maybe you are right and Ckret is wrong. Maybe Tom and Carol are right and Ckret is wrong (and the whole FBI is wrong). You are going to believe and spend time on whatyou want to believe and spoend time on, in any event. You are a grown adult. (That is the root of the Cooper curse imho). Flimsy evidence is flimsy evidence. Genius and showmanship sometimes cannot change that. Why not just ask Tina or Flo if Cooper said "negotiable American currency"? That would be the direct approach - without mirrors and stage effects and tactics? I would remind you parachuites were just one of the tools Cooper used in conducting this hijacking, and not necessarily the central one - maybe especially if he was some kind of expert. But since the cold facts are so flimsy and difficult to get documented ... I can only leave it as it is. That means each to his or her own tastses and styles, true or false, with plenty of guessing by people with very strong personalities and stage presentation skills. Maybe Cooper was an actor too ? I read nonfiction. Everything I am saying sounds like sour grapes. Again: I read nonfiction.

Eh?

One thing I am honing in on eh, is Tina from Pen-sul-vanier eh? Now doz people may not hear as the rest ov us do eh? Tin earz an all eh? But as a linguistic matter accents are a matter of perception. People have to hear it first to recognise it (no z eh). My first thought was that Tina might be pretty keen on hearing - she worked with a lot of people from allovah eh. Maybe she had heard so many accents she lost her ear, couldnt tell one from the other ... plus she as scared, but Hancock, Flo, and the rest? But, my thought was, there is sufficient phonological and syntactic 'distance' between Tina's region in Pennsylvania and almost any place in Can-ada eh, I would think she would be sensitive to Canadian speech patterns (& phonological differences) right off the mark? (But, since Cooper was Canadian from Halifax via Edmonton and Moose Jaw Ya Eh, then obviously Tina failed the hearing perception test ... and Martians are US Midwesterners after all, eh? ) Well if you guys are popping up on this eh, then I dont need to call Dr _________ at UCLA. Hez busy anyway eh. Saved a loonie on dat one eh! Guess that hypothesis is DOA. eh? Bloody right!

whadda you telin me dis fer eh? I am a Canuck and dat Masters degree in linguistik, eh? Now my one grandmother had the British accent and phraseology... ever notice my spellings?

No accent associated with Canadians is news to me and about thirty million Canadians. Including this Canuck! Eh? Coffee Crisp costs aboot a Loonie, pretty good deal eh?

I met Robert Blevins at Ariel and liked him at once. 377 (more later) Following SafecrackingPLF's method, we have: Cooper requested "negotiable American currency". This was the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent. Since no American citizen would use those terms, it suggests that Cooper was not originally from this country. If he was from another country, then his lack of accent points to French Canada as one of the few places in the world where you could hail from and not have an accent. The French Canadians without accents are the Franco-Manitobans, the Franco-Albertans, and possibly the Franco-Ontarians. They would be likely to not have an accent when speaking English. This also lines up with the fact that the Dan Cooper comic was only published in French, making Cooper's unusual request very interesting. The above yields: A: Coop said: Negotiable american currency > B: no American would use those terms B: No American would use those terms > C: not originally from America D: No accent + E: French comic > F: must be from French Canada G: Fr Canadians w/o accents > Franco- Manitobans, Franco-Albertans, possibly Franco- Ontarians Therefore: Cooper was French Canadian ! Logic is merely a procedure guided by rules. In order to be successful the statements connected logically, must be True (or) False. Are Tom and Carol's statements A-G above True statements and inferences? Where is T&C's PROOF their statements are true? T&C are experts so their statements must be True, a-priori ? Is A true: Coop said: Negotiable american currency ? Is B true: No American would use those terms ? Is D true: Cooper had no accent ? Is E true: Cooper read the French comic ? Is G true: French Canadian w/o accents are ...? It must be clear at this point that we (do not) even know the truth of some of the statements above, nor do Tom & Carol know their truth either. They did label the section: 'Interesting but Speculative Notes about Dan Cooper' Therefore, any inferences drawn on these unproved statements above, must also be suspect, if not erroneous. Or, JUST PLAIN FUCKING SILLY! I know this must seem harsh, but it is mild by Marla's standards - yes? The promotional symposium at tax payer's expense is over. It's time to get on with life.

Tom & Carol state: "Cooper requested "negotiable American currency". This was the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent. Since no American citizen would use those terms, it suggests that Cooper was not originally from this country. If he was from another country, then his lack of accent points to French Canada as one of the few places in the world where you could hail from and not have an accent. The French Canadians without accents are the Franco-Manitobans, the Franco-Albertans, and possibly the Franco-Ontarians. They would be likely to not have an accent when speaking English. These communities live in a predominantly anglophone environment and tend to become native speakers. This also lines up with the fact that the Dan Cooper comic was only published in French, making Cooper's unusual request very interesting." I had no idea Coral and Tom & Allan were experts in Linguistics, too! Is there anything out of their reach? Lets ask the UCLA Dept of Linguistics.

When you consider that Cooper did not command any particular flight path (other than flying to Reno) then the chances of a successful rendezvous with a ground accomplice are extraordinarily low, And, of course that is wrong. Entirely wrong. I'm surprised at you. I thought you passed this course ages ago. We gave you a degree. While Cooper did not command a flight path he did command a destination. People seem to be forgetting this - all too conveniently for the sake of their 'theories'. The one limits the others, which Cooper may or may not have intended, as Sluggo points out. Cooper informed everyone through Schaffner right from the start that he wanted to go anywhere in Mexico, that the plane "can land anywhere in Mexico", but may not "land anywhere in the USA". This was put aside due to the immediate crisis, and not addressed again until around 8:21pm ... as the transcripts show. But that 'is' the orgin of "WANTS MONEY IN NEGOTIABLE USA CURRENCY DENOMINATION OF BILLS NOT IMPORTANT" - which were Scott's words, and Scott's or someone else's extrapolation based on Cooper's terse note, Cooper;s brief discussion with Schaffner, and Scott's understanding from what Schaffner had explained; not Cooper's words verbatum! Those words "negotiable usa currency" do not appear in any other context or document, transcript, in any FBI 302 (according to Ckret), or in Cooper's note, - nowhere else but in this brief passage top of page 89 in the PI Transcript! If you recall, 377, both you and Snowmman questioned Ckret about this and he never replied to your queries specifically. Then he did say as a general premise, quote June 24 2008: "In regard to the various logs that are out there, I think it would be a mistake to take any of them on face value, especially those dealing with Cooper and his demands. All communication came through Mucklow and Schaffner, to the cockpit, to flight ops. No doubt each took their turn to apply their understanding as to what was being communicated." Cooper had it perfectly clear he originally wanted to go to any place in Mexico "nonstop" with "no landings in the USA" - period. And he used the word "nonstop" specifically. Sorry Carol: Artistic license is not allowed here. You are off on a revisionist wild goose chase which does not meet the test of facts or documentation. It is simply your guess and your guess is wrong. Mexico City as a specific destination only comes again later ~8:21pm as a specific destination in Mexico, which as we all know was changed to Reno - after much argumentation I might add. Cooper was growing very anxious. That is also documented. But the original destination spoken by Cooper was: anywhere in Mexico. That is fully documented. Sluggo is fully aware of this fact, btw. Sluggo pointed out in his post #909 Feb 18 2008, that the closest airport available 'anywhere in Mexico' from SEA is "east" of V23 ! How about them appels? Ok, now H and Jerry (and perhaps Rat) contend 305 was "east" of V23. That would conform with Cooper's original demand to go to Mexico. Who knows how this fits into their equation for the flight path and how or why? It shouldnt. But does it, for any reason? It is an interesting factual correspondence which has a 1:1 correspondence with Cooper's original demand. Maybe H, Jerrym, and Rat all suffer memory loss? But, you and Marla talk about Cooper using radios? Who is Cooper going to call from Washington or Oregon to: Gen Abelardo L. Rodriguez International Airport just across the border from Brown Field Municipal Airport in Chula Vista, California (the closet possible airport in Mexico) on his Midland 5-watter ? Who did Marla's uncle know in Mexico, and how did he plan to negotiate things there!? The test for Marla just gets tougher and tougher. Marla must now account for why her uncle originally asked to go 'anywhere in Mexico', which is a universal fact of this case ? Cooper never said: "negotiable usa currency". Scott said that (or some teletype operator) and it only appears at the top of the PI Transcript and nowhere else. Any other connection being claimed is specious. It may have been something in regard to Cooper wanting to go to another country, it may have been somebody being over-zealous wanting to dot every 'i' and cross every 't' in communicating instructions to Seattle, or it may be a fluke - we dont even know who said it much less why. These words by themselves do not certify Cooper was a Canadian. There are other equally plausible alternatives, including the possibility Cooper was an American who knew not to ask for pesos because US dollars would be worth more in Mexico! Exactly how did Cooper plan to handle things if they landed anywhere in Mexico, Did he think Mexican authorities would let him just walk away? Its a little nutty on its face. He obviously planed to bail somewhere else, I guess.

You sacrificed everything. A casino would have been quicker - but you have made a new friend: Jerry Thomas. So you have come a long way. 'It's not a job...it's an ADVENTURE...'