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The interesting thing now is collateral evidence is coming in, completely independent of Marla, things Marla did not even know about LD, and its just getting deeper by the moment. Keep in mind Ng may not have wanted to persue this at all, in the beginning. There definately are some coincidences beyond what Marala has said or claimed, or knew. LD is definately a person of interest now.

As usual Jerry, your logic is flawed. The choices you allow are totally biased and not even rational. For one thing, you were not there to witness what Cooper did or did not do, or what happened, but you speak as if x,y,and z had to have happened and did happen - which is total nonsense! Then you draw a conclusion which isnt even related to the unproved conditions you set. It would be better to just say: "Farflung you are an idiot. You are wrong no matter what you do! Only I am right! That is what you are saying. Doesnt that about sum it up. Yours are not arguements but ominous rants. You will take this as negative no matter what I or anyone else says. So, there it is. Others would let your amble forever. I would not and Ive told you this before.

Why dont we just stipulate Cooper died from eating the galley food after trashing the galley, then since the door was open, rolled out the back of the plane, to a chorus of angels singing el di la tatum bonum est? Sweet Jesus! Nobody was there to see Cooper roll out the back so my conjecture is as good as any ones?

Right. That post was not one of those in which he gave the wind speeds and directions for different altitudes. That one only has the reference to 30MPH. Post 1286 is one of those in which he gave winds at different altitudes. This is probably the one you remember. No. It doesn't have the cloud layers. Hominid, At this point it doesn't look like I can positively identify the specific post. Sorry. I will look - tomorrow. I have a file of Larry's posts sorted by subject - G

] Read the thread! Hominid & Georger, Carr did post some weather information for the Orchards area early on this present thread. I don't remember the specific details right off but they are consistent with the numbers and wind direction I used. And if I remember correctly, Carr did not have any winds or weather above 5000 feet. And I don't specifically remember him saying anything about 30 MPH winds aloft from anywhere. My "26 knot" value resulted from doing the flight path from the take-off in Seattle to a point 10 miles north of the Red Bluff, California VORTAC on V-23. At that point, one Oakland controller told another Oakland controller (during a hand-off) that the airliner was "ten northwest to be exact" of the Red Bluff VORTAC and on V-23. And that was the last point I used. On Sluggo's web page, you will find the details of how I did the calculations. But basically, I did the climb-out to 10,000 feet separately and concluded that the airliner was quite a bit further south when it reached 10,000 feet at 7:54PM than indicated by the 1954 point on the FBI chart. Oddly, both the FBI chart and I have the airliner at the Mayfield Intersection at almost the same instant. For the rest of the flight from the time that the airliner reached 10,000 feet to the 10 mile point north of the Red Bluff VORTAC, I considered two or three possible routes in the Portland area. But basicall only two are of any consequence. First I assumed that the airliner stayed on the centerline of V-23 for that entire distance. I also considered a short cut passing on the west side of Portland. However, this short cut did not have a noticeable influence on the calculations due to the distance covered by the airliner between the two points mentioned above and the time involved. The true airspeed was calculated from information in the radio transcripts and I then worked backwards to determine what is actually an "average winds aloft speed of 26 knots at 10,000 feet". These calculations were done on a standard pilot's flight calculator (a Jeppesen's CR-3 in this case). Both the climb out calculations, which involved a lot of assumptions, and the cruise calculations agreed with the actual airliner's performance better than I would have expected. Note that the "26 knots" is equivalent to 29.9 MPH. It was not planned that way. Again, I don't remember Carr mentioning 30 MPH anywhere. I agree with your summary incl what Carr said, and did not say.

Read the thread!

Cooper could have drifted a fair amount if he pulled right off the stairs. 377 Which according to Doppleganger and Rudy Tatooey, he did. Was Rataczak's spit found on the tie? Any checked from Mine No.54 at Franco-Saskatoon?

Be consoled. Isnt it interesting: they found and interview a DB Cooper, whence Dan Cooper gets his name, but they apparently did not find (or look for?) any other Coopers ... in plain sight. Here were Heuy, Dewey, and Lewie, plus Grandma and Mom and Dad, and all the chillens registered in schools, all in plain sight eating their curds and whey and nerry a knock onder door while cockpit lights are a flashing with pressure bumps and all, as Donder undt Vixen are getting ready the presents! How mysitfiying. The whole Cooper extended clan just slid from view through the net of forgetfulness, thanks to the spirit of the Holiday and people working overtime. Thus, the Big Bad Wolf slips away, with all the curds and whey. In the light of a new day with new opportunity and book to do, Marla slips the surly bonds of clan loyalty and spills the beans. Will the truth slip away? Where's the Ketchup?

You're right. They get a lot of training about the terminology and what the words mean. I don't mean that Hannah should have been an engineer, technician or scientist. I've had transcribers who were so specifically for electronics topics. A fast typist can transcribe a lot. But, if the end product matters, the person needs to understand the words. I'm reminded of some court transcripts. Expert, certified transcriber. Yet, things get in the transcript that differ from what was actually said. If the end product matters, it has to be checked. The point is: nobody knows! Guessing not allowed.

I'm done posting here and if you really are investigating this mystery, you are advised to do the same. Say hellow to Maples. And Hickory too.

Sir, you have been outed. Nice catch, Georger. Elementary my dear Watson. I just hope its not a schill for Marla? That would be bad. I cant be sure it isnt. Time will tell if it persists.

The titanium particles on the tie are because he would pose as a flight attendant and was out on the runways being hit by jet blast and the close tolerance military jet fans are made of titanium. The tie if a photo is available, would probably match a military tie or an airline tie of the time. Clip on ties were used by the military and airlines because they come off easy in the event of an emergency to prevent choking. Really! ? Ok Knoss. Dont take any wooden titanium. los homre wackos time to take your pill.

Georger is unusually restrained. You have been pitching him slow balls right over the plate. If I didn't see subtle syntax distinctions I'd have suspected he was masquerading as Deathray, the new kid on the block. 377 Im retired, remember? Waiting for elMorte to bring up wing dams, on the Washougal and Sawyer Creek, or an Israel connection - whichever comes up first. Yawn. I do think you people had better take Curtis seriously. He is no rookie, in case you dont know. Otherwise, Im trying hard to be boring. I think Im succeeding!

The same facial (behavioral) tics too when speaking, to an audience. She gives a good sermon! Does this lady have an acting or public speaking background? I guess Im imagining it.

I clipped your post - hope you dont mind. I think your post covers things very well. Thanks. G.

Agree. The whole thing sounds fishy. Remember her?

You tell em Jerry.

This is a really good observation! Does anyone here keep toothbrushes past their useful life? Would you keep smeone's toothbrush for sentimental reasons after they passed? This story is a load of bollocks. Jerry, did you ever chase up for Vicki on Mel? Did I miss anything on that front? Ok. Lets say you and JT are right. Lets say Marla is a baldfaced liar. What has that got to do with the FBI closing a case if that is their choice, and how are you going to change their minds if that is their choice intent. ? Let's get practical here folks! I like a wing damn tale as much as the next guy. But what has that got to do with the 'price of eggs' in Seattle or anywhere else? Forget Marla. Think CASE CLOSED.

P.S. There has NOT been one word on TV or the media in the South about Cooper this yr - at least not in the Panhandle of FL. Why? The south is civilised!

Jerry, you are beginning to sounds like Jo - you really are. You're retired, remember? This aint a fire you have to put out! Turn on Leno and relax.

Yeah. Apparently KGW television has REALLY crappy servers. Video just keeps locking up at around the 44 second mark and refuses to load further. Any buffering going on is almost non existent. Tried some of their other videos, same thing. Went to You Tube for a quick check and had no problems with anything running there. So the problem is with the servers at KGW. LOL they probably run Windows 3.1 on their office computers... If a business has enough funds to pay its light bill, it has no excuse for bad server(s), unless of course it wants it that way, ie counter tactics. Sluggo knows@!

Cause vs Effect. Computers are not servers, althought strong correlation.

So by identifying the unscheduled flight and looking for the flares he had a good idea where LD was. That part is a piece of cake. The hard part is Right. And he parked in Columbia and look out to-ward ... Switzerland? ? This is beginning to look like an inside job. 377 where were you?

Marlah, Marlah. Where art thou? Beginning to look like ADD ? Her eyes flash like grenades going off - almost viscious, scary. Just for a millisecond like some neurological twitch. Like a squirrel in heat.

and, what you said you thought about thinking about thinking about, saying what Marla thought Eng thought Marla said, while thinking about saying all based on your wanting it now (God damnit!) and similar public pressures: like a Big reckoning in a small room. Very Snowish. What happened to "no accent" ? There. Think about that.