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Airt, I happen to agree with you, even though I think Im on good terms with Bruce. This 'moral prerogative' being employed by both Blevins and Bruce, is nothing more than cover for "gimme gimme and not the other guy", to forge if not force a relationship? Its highly prejudicial at its core and makes all reports from such individuals suspect; not to mention factually limp. I happen to see your point and agree. Im rushed again but, I have Tintin info I may share tonight, to get back facts vs social media in these matters.

Fortunately this is the DBC thread where time, space and manipulation are either warped beyond recognition or utterly ignored. I think Marla was extremely open and direct with her responses to include asking if the entire communication would be published. This is not the behavior of someone trying to cover something up; editing a person’s responses does NOT get the same consideration in my world of ethics and fair play. Tough. I took Marla at face value where her answers twinkled like her eyes filled with limpid pools of deep blue water which keep at bay, the infernos of barely restrained passions that churn and swirl with an all consuming grasp on those who casually gaze into the mesmerizing Bessemer of …….. ummm….. gosh…… I guess I was just trying to say I sorta liked her answers. That’s all. Priceless. Just priceless! My sentiments exactly.

Hi Marla. Thanks for your comments about Facebook. Your comments to Robert indicate you are sure it was the Dan Cooper comic, and that LD was taken with that comic for some reason - talked about it? Anything you could provide further on this would be helpful. Secondly, can you add anything to LD's time in the service, his place of induction and training, his MOS, his time in Korea, and his time in hospital in England? Thanks. G.

Is that highlighted statement true? Some planes can set flaps at any angle between zero and max deflection. Don't have my manuals with me. 377 Just because Coop asked for 15* doesnt mean a-priori it was because he knew the 727-100 (was the only plane?) to have a 15* setting? He could have been thinking the plane had variable setting capability ... and just asked for 15*. If he had listed all possible settings and said "only 15*" then . . . If he had said "I know this plane has a 15* setting ..." but he didnt say that. Weve discussed this before. The brevity of his instructions leads to many possible interpretations. When he says "get this plane on the road or Ill do the job!" that leaves little room for interpretation. What if Rat had yelled back at that pointL "Fuckyou Im now going to keep us here another hour! ... I wonder if the fake bomb would have gone off!? Of course not! Even Cooper was having to live within the walls of reality.... because very clearly that was his first choice. He may never have had an second choices! This was a hijacking (for profit) vs a terrorist act to blow up a plane and commit suicide. His grudge falls within those parameters.

Good news: Marla indicated she will be joining Dropzone soon, so we will be able to ask her questions directly. It's great she's making herself available. This will certainly shorten interview-related turnaround time, and hopefully, to a degree, help to reduce levels of speculation. I'm looking forward to her additional input in examining Uncle LD's case...while we wait for any official statement from the FBI. Regarding the vehicle issue, she also made a (FB) statement about Dewey owning a truck, although she thinks the truck was broken down. She also states that the duck blind was not taken with them in the vehicle on their trip, but was left at the house. Welcome aboard, Marla... Green Elf Just signed in here. Trying to catch up, been a very busy day. I will try to get to the bottom of whatever it was JT was talking about, but if your report is true maybe can address Marla myself here, if need be. I dont have a Facebook account - dont want one. So have had no contact with Marla Cooper on Facebook or anywhere else. I did send out two emails about ten minutes ago to two people I trust, who do have Facebook accounts - maybe they can tell me what JT was talking about on Facebook. That is literally all I know and Im not looking foreward to having to deal with this %^&$ whatevr it is - G.

I dont have a Facebook page! I dont do Facebook. You and Facebook go _____ yourselves! I dont know anything about this - and Im not going to spend one second finding out! Dont believe everything you read whatever it is - again, I dont know anything about this and Im not going to spend two seconds looking into it. I think 99% of the people involved in this Cooper SHIT are crazy. And I mean clinically nuts.

just jumped online to check this forum and find this baloney! where do you get this stuff? do you make this up in your dreams? GET A LIFE THOMAS. I have not contacted this Marla in any way shape or form. I have no list of question for anyone. But I do know you to be a total liar, blatant gossip and rumor spreader, and lying trouble maker. That much is true. What exactly is your problem? Im beginning to think everything Jo Weber ever said about you is true! That is how far you have fallen. Quit while you are still ahead of Jo by one inch?

I explained. Marla had made 'additional comments' but I promised not to make them public, along with those happy-happy screenshots of some of her early Facebook postings, from August when she first went public. Those are not good, either. Personally, I don't believe that LD and Dewey hopped into a Triumph MG, and then zipped off to the Portland International Airport to have a bit of fun with Northwest Airlines. It defies belief. Then...imagine Dewey in that little British car with a walkie talkie driving from Portland International out to somewhere in the forests of SW Washington state - at night and in winter no less - and searching hundreds of miles of Forest Service roads...without a clue as to where he jumped...and monitoring that walkie talkie for LD. Doesn't sound like a Cooper Caper. I envisioned Austin Powers, to tell you the truth. And then...somehow finding him, even though he was *allegedly* seriously wounded (Marla's words) and rushing him out of the woods back to Sisters, Oregon by early morning. Are you kidding? And let's not forget L.D. had copies of the comic on his wall and was 'obsessed' by them. (A quote from Marla from at least two news articles) Folks, I may be wrong about KC. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but even I don't buy THAT story. The Janet Fable has more credibility. And here's something else to remember: When someone *allegedly* lies about an important point where they have something to gain, you have to question everything else they've said...and their credibility about the whole thing. So in other words, you gave us a heavy dose of False Reporting - in addition to slamming Bruce again, and Marla, and me, and . . . Is there any end to your grand tutorial for Humanity? I think not, clearly. You really are a mench, Bobert.

Not true Georger. Snowmman uses modeling. I've used it. Bet Nature Hominid has as well. All EEs know its value. 377 Um. Um. Raises hand. Ok I know you scientist types look down on us, but still. No time for this toxic nonsense tonight! Sorry you are all bored. Safe was trying to employ inferential logic, which is a different kind of modeling process than 377 is talking about. That is all there is to this, basically, and 377 should know this. Iff 377 and Blevins want to argue the point and write treateses about it fine. I just dont have the time tonight. Where were all of you when all of this was happening years ago? Why does it come up now at 3:00am MY TIME ? Sorry/

(i) Marla is absolutely sure it was the Cooper Comics. She has testified to this REPEATEDLY in the media. Anyone believe that story? I don't. My father told me once: "You can't snow the snowman..." (or probably Snownman the Research Wizard, either, for that matter.) (ii) Fine. I was off a year or so. Big deal. To set a possible date, I looked for motivation to actually make the trip and do this. I.E. what would motivate the hijacker to plant money? Answer: My best guess says he probably did it after the Feds in Portland got the John Doe warrant in 1976, or slightly before that time. It's the only reason I can think of that would motivate the hijacker to plant the money. He thought he would be free and clear in 1976, but that didn't happen. I'll bet he was PISSED OFF. (*laughs*) F$#!*N Feds...they went around the f%$! #ng statute on me...what the hell am I gonna do now.' (iii) Right. Okay, tell me this then: How did three bundles of the money wind up in the exact same spot? ok let me try and address all of this above: 1) How is Marla sure it was a Dan Cooper comic. What dates (time scale) are we talking about? Before 1971, after? Ithad to be before 1972, I think, because LD left the area in 1972? So Marla was 9-8 or less when seeing the comics? Do any other relatives confirm the comics? His ex-wife? Im not saying Marla is lying, just trying to pin this down with concrete facts from Marla's end if possible. 2) The stance of the FBI etal was money, arrived no more than a year prior to discovery, not as far back as 1976. I cant buy a plant theory because it defies logic and the forensics of the find itself, as I understand what I believe are the facts of it. 3) I cant talk about this yet - there are lab reports involved. Tom can comment as he choses. Safe is correct in his comment re- 'there will be more to come' after the New Year. Hopfully this addresses everything essential.

well you are 100% right about that - I didnt pass any questions because I thought you would dismiss them automatically. Thats my fault I guess.

I appreciate you more than you think. A lot more than you think. Youve caused me to spend several eveings thinking and sorting, and writing, which is good. Youve caused me to reach back and reclaim part of my past academic life, which is good. You are probably the only person here who takes modeling seriously and knows the value of it. I think you are a philosopher at heart, and that is good! You like math, which is good! Maybe we should have had you om the science team - Ive wondered about that? I think you and Tom would have liked each other very much. Carr saw great value and promise in you and so did I. There it is. Safe have a very happy holidays and a prosperous New Year. I mean that. Take care... To you and yours, Sincerely, G.

Those Nuns have ten foot rulers in each hand, each weighing ten pounds. No kids ever went through their review without having a broken wrist, or a stubed pecker! I had many friends from that side of the Moon growing up. Without them I literally might not have survived and some of us are still in contact and friends all these years later. Facing the SS down erases all religious boundaries! And the SS cared less if you were Jew or Catholic. Dont tangle with those Nuns. They made Hitler shrink and run! Patton had a corpe of them!

Whew! I am relieved my inner cougar is caged! and Bruce, you are a de-friended wizard. Writings from Marla's FB: If Marla has strong religious leanings, that alone could be why she see Bruce as a 'wizard'. Instead she choses now Blevins! Holy Crap! Marla has chosen a real snake handler. sha ma lama phtzoh mi ho renge kyo lama sho ho mo mo, sui mui beraq adonai, shama lama mu ... and all that jazz. One white foot try a horse . . . On the other hand if Marla's story is accurate, then Marla is badly in need of professional help to develop ACTUAL facts. Hopfully the FBI will do that for her and provide her the guidance she needs, and she listens and stops the press conferences. Because you cant mix science and metaphysics and come out unscathed/undiminished. Because: If, LD had DC comics Tintin, may be only one plausible explanation for how he came to know them, and its very doubtful he schleped them in Quebec City (because nobody can be two places at once!). Very likely, its hiding in plain sight, as Jo says, if it exists at all. Or it could be some other comic she thinks for some reason was Dan Cooper. How does she know it was Dan Cooper and not something else? RMB could have asked her last night but didnt for some wierd reason.

It would be an amazing coincidence if Snowmman's comic sleuthing hit the jackpot and the hijacker was a fan. Marla is smart. The Dan Cooper comics part of her story was certain to raise eyebrows and inflame skeptics. If she were cunningly fabricating a story, would she have included the comics? I kinda doubt it. Just a hunch. 377 Blevisn failed to ask what other comics, magazines, etc LD had and must have discussed with family? Several people describe LD as an introspective type (no data to know if thats true). His ex-wives and friends would know. There is no proof at all LD even had a copy of Tintin (the one contaiing the Dan Cooper cartoon). It would be rare if he had "all" Dan Cooper issues! Having more than one issue would be statistically significant! Almost every kid had comics during that era, sometimes piles of them. The comics Marla saw could be anything, in my opinion. (Once again Blevins failed to ask that question). Blevins asserts (almost hypnotically) "It is known that the money... could not have arrived before 1974". Well, Blevins needs to get his the facts straight! These are not Blevin's facts but facts of the real world he's tossing around like beer bottles.. The dredging work at TBar was not even finished until late into September 1974, then a period of settling and movement, then more grading after that if the Faxio are to be believed. Ive talked to people very close to this. (Tom has the same facts I do). So basically we are talking about some time in Octover at the earliest, but more lilkely after the winter of 1974, after the Spring melt and high water in 1975 .... before anything could have been planted at TBar and stayed in-situ. We are probably talking about some time in 1975 at the earliest for a plant at Tina Bar, and maybe after 1976 (because 1976 was a high water year again!), and maybe 1977 into the drought year of 1978, before high water in Dec of 78-1979 would have washed away top sand enough to begin to expose the buried (planted) money at Tina Bar. And the last thing Blevins doesnt even seem to know, or take into account, is the fact the money was not 'found' in-or-on a dredge spoil mound, but a considerable distance north (down stream!) of one! So Blevins references to 1974 may be irrelevant; Tom Kaye has been saying for years the money find is independent of any dredging work due to its location, as Tom sees it. Blevins seems unaware of what Tom is even saying! Tom is saying the Ingram money is totally independent of any events in 1974, but a plant ocurring later. And that is exactly one of my disagreements with Tom Kaye. Normally, when you see an artifact down stream (down current) from a significant feature like deposit fill, you have to wonder if the artifacts you are looking at didnt just wash out of the upstream fill, whenever it was put down? Especially when the artifacts you are looking at are basically wedged up against some tree or plants that keeps them from washing further down the sandbar and away completely? Occam would select for my scenario because it is the simplest. Tom alwas looks for a more complicated scenario, which seems to be his nature. But, it is obvious Blevins doesn't even know what Tom is saying, because Blevins doesnt even have the essential facts Tom is citing. That is Mr. Blevins nature, to run amuck, as we have seen over and over again since he joined this forum. Working with facts isnt in Blevin's nature - I think Tom made a theoretical mistake. The very separation of the money at some distance from one of the dredge deposit piles (downstream of one!) can mean the artifacts came from upstream and are associated with the 1974 dredge pile, not the reverse. If the money had been found upstream of the dredging wastes then that would be a reason to think 'independent deposit'. There is more to this story which hopfully will come out later. In the meantime I have every reason to believe Blevins will just continue with his nonsense which unfortunately is going to leave a lot of people in disarray; all due to Blevin's nature a fact I can do nothing about. It is absurd for Blevins tosay 'I am against working people or dont like working people'? That is crazy. This is just one more in an endless line of examples of where Blevins is incapable of dealignwith facts, so he opts for emotional charges against people, hoping to get support from people here - which he gets! I am not runnign for elective office! Blevins is! I have nothing to sell. Blevins does. Or for Blevins to say I am not objective? That is crazy. An example of my objectivity is in my words and thoughts above. Blevins (and his sidekick Jerry Thomas) can pick a fight with someone else!

If a person can fool other people into believing their story, then there's a story. This is what fuels UFO books. If not, then there's a story about the story and the motivations of the person who concocted it. This is what fuels stories like Big Fish. I've always thought the biggest potential story in all of this DB Cooper non-sense was not the DB Cooper story itself, but the people that crawl out of the woodwork claiming some connection. Some are comical, some are tragic, most are just outright annoying, but there's a story in there somewhere. Not that I'm going to write it. There's no way I'd even give a whack at it without being bribed heavily. The topic has been thorughly studied by sociologists, psychpologists, etc .. going way back. Its a lot like Congress and the economy. Its been studied to death, people know the issues and why, but nobody will "do" anything about it. No mystery as to why. The primary reason situations like this never change (cant be changed) is people are feeding off (dependent on) the system themselves. Its called Natural Selection!

Praising with faint damnation. You did good Robert. 377 Instead of asking Blevins questions (he never answers) about his articles, in the future we will just ask you to explain on his behalf..

wrecked. Green Elf My email is now closed to you due to excessive speuw on your part. I really dont need your advice, Cowboy. Thanks and good luck.

I thought his questions were very poor, obtuse, redundant, and full of contumely as evidenced by Marla's response to Blevins re- 'Kenny was my uncle too'!

You are responsible for the conspiracy theories I may or may not have had.

You aren't from FBI internal affairs Jo. Let them handle SA public behavior. Who made you the forum cop? 377 . . . broken record shattered so many pieces God cant find them all. Obsessive-compulsive. Give it a funeral.

I've been wondering the same thing. Hope all is well. hes fine, busy.

Heir Himmelsbach 1976:7.

Marla etal wont have a God damned thing to do with you! Publish that!

So if you're implying that he parked a car near the Portland Airport he wouldn't have had a way to walk back to it if he'd landed on the north side of the Columbia River. Au contraire... I have walked across the pedestrian lanes on each side of the I-5 bridge NUMEROUS times and evenwalked out on the east side lane to watch the 4th of July fireworks for the Fort Vancouver celebration. Bridge Piccie I have riden my bike across the bridge quite a few times when I lived in Vancouver and when I had my boat at Pier 99. Even the new I-205 has a pedestrian lane betwixt the lanes. Amazon: I think DB parked his car somewhere in Vancouver and walked to PDX and then after the jump, walked to his car for the get-a-way. Bob God knows he could have easily enough. Thousands of other people do/did. (per year).