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I think they did. In spite of instructions. Either just before or just after landing at Reno, if not earlier. Its in the transcript, more-or-less. Plus I think as 99 does, the transcript (as we have it) may have been sanitized which would make sense. But at 10:57 305 says: We’ll remain on this frequency with your advised approach. We’re now marker inbound and we’re going to be landing with the air stair in the down position. We don’t seem to get any response from our friend in the back. And at 11:08 305 says: Reno? Ok uh, I’ll tell you what – stand by just a moment. We’re uh, we’re gonna look back here and see what’s going on. And Reno replies: Ok. That's pretty clear in spte of what others have said. I could easily believe somone, probably Tina, peeked back earlier, probably in the 8:20 period. I dont think these people were flying as "blind" as weve been lead to believe, and I have other info which if true indicates some of their instructions were very specific! I do believe the threat of a bomb was being taken very seriously right to the end, and whether red sticks or tan, one of the reasons Scott said at 11:08 "We're" (plural) gonna look back here and see what’s going on." was to ascertain if possible the status of the brief case (and bomb), because they already knew Cooper was long gone in the 8:12 - 8:20 period. And for all we know the brief case was sitting on a seat disarmed, and retrieved by agents and bomb specialists at Reno ... and that is why any talk of the brief case being found later at Tena Bar is a red herring people literally do not want to talk about... because I have some proof the Brief Case is a topic everyone readily recognises, but nobody wants to talk about, period. It comes up in discussions and then is put down intentionally in interviews - The lines in the transcript however, are real or an error - Sluggo, on the other hand, has always maintained that the crew thought Cooper might still be on board even at Reno, and I just dont know where he got that, in spite of these lines in the transcript.

He has a Kelvinator Submarine waiting on the dock - das ist alles.

Now that is a UNIQUE idea. I can see the headline now: WACKOISM DEFEATS WACKOISM - 60% OFF WACKOISM AT WACKOMART SAYS JUDGE NARWHALE! Play it again Sam. Like waiting on Gadot/Ariel/Symposium/ Cooper Properties Ltd/ Survivor Cooper-Titanic Show. Even if Cooper had survived, I sewriously doubt either he or anyone else could have imagined the social-media-cult which would grow up off the back of one rather simple hijacking ... Mars Invades Earth ... the ultimate 1950's conspiracy machination ... a pure form construction of the idle middle class in America. RobertMBlevins speaks for America! He has that role locked up ! So which country or nation of village are you speaking for which requires a Nuremberg Trial !? Wackoes and then panels of wackoes. Which Grape Coolaide will prevail?

377 It sure is peaceful around here - for a change! Did the Serbians call a ceasfire? AMERIKA WANTS TO KNOW! Anyone got a body count, of your neighbors and mine?

I would include photos of paper bags ... in case a "paper bag" turns up in the Columbia at Ariel - found at wingdam No.731 so Blevins can include it in his video broadcast to A M E R I K A via free internet resources others paid for! ... Never let it be said: Jo Weber & RobertMBlevins missed a bargain, at someone else's expense. Subprime Cooperphelia must sell well!

I don't know, Georger. Why don't you answer this question? You are the one with OVER 5,600 POSTS. America wants to know. Quote Let me guess! YOU ARE AMERIKA! Seig Heil!

This proves beyond a doubt that you have completely lost your objectivity. Your hatred for me has become obvious. Judging the video before I even shoot the thing is simple ignorance. Even movie critics usually watch the film first... And guess what? It's going to happen whether you like it...or even if you don't. My guess is you are suffering from a bad case of jealousy. Not my fault you live so far from Ariel, you know. Last year, KC's nephew Bruce Christiansen flew in from Minnesota. You should have bought plane tickets early. I would have let you sleep in my truck and provided the sleeping bag. Bruce Smith posting for Galen Cook: I still don't know if I believe that story about Cook being perma-banned. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. It is typical of Quade to give someone at least a couple of temp suspensions and a warning before he actually bans them with no hope of return. If I had to make a guess, I would think Cook was temporarily suspended a long time ago and could now post anytime he wishes. Quade hasn't made a comment on it one way or another. And I don't want Bruce Smith banned, if you are thinking that. I subscribe to his news site and it's a good site. I just doubt Cook's claim that he cannot post for himself. When are you going to stop dealing in personalities and slinging mud in your completely feckless presentation and get on topic - ? I will answer that for you: NEVER! Please continue your agenda. In other words, to hell with the subject of this thread!

One person's trash, is another person's trash. Feckless.

Try cranberry sauce in a potato canon - that makes sense ... unless you are a zombie! Or, you could apologise to zombie-kind?

My mom used the same cranberry "recipe". I too recall the can molded red cylinder. I377 Try a can of cranberry sauce in a potato canon! Damned funny. F=MA

Like yourself I have put a lot of time and money into this. April Foooolz!

In two phone calls and two different emails from the Seattle FBI over the last 16 months, they have said this regarding Kenny Christiansen: 1) That Christiansen has NEVER been investigated by the FBI. Reason given: They don't think he fits the description close enough to warrant the cost of such an investigation. 2) That some agents in the Seattle office believe Christiansen is a good suspect, while others believe there are better suspects. 3) That Christiansen has NOT been eliminated by the Seattle FBI as a suspect. To be fair, neither has William Gossett. PS: I have these emails saved, of course. There are two other concerns I have. First, Quade usually bans anyone permanently who posts for someone else who has already been banned. He did this to Gayla, after an incident a while back where she tried to stick up for me on some point or another. (I was on a temporary suspension) Second, if Cook is now going to put himself forward as an official media rep/spokesperson for the FBI, and start putting words into the agents' mouths...then he should offer proof of those agents' statements. April Foooolz! You are living proof that you can't outsource Rock n Roll or Honey Boo-Boo. Again try you - Honey Boo Boo.

My sympathies go out to Jo and Lyle, and his shill Blevins. And thus, I am moved to song! An old favorite: The Campptown ladies sing this song, Doo-da, Doo-da The Camptown racetrack's five miles long Oh, de doo-da day Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray Oh, the long tailed filly and the big black horse, Doo-da, doo-da Come to a mud hole and they all cut across, Oh, de doo-da day Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray I went down there with my hat caved in, Doo-da, doo-da I came back home with a pocket full of tin Oh, de doo-da day Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray Longer Version The Camptown ladies sing this song Doo-dah! Doo-dah! The Camptown racetrack's five miles long Oh! doo-dah day! Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray I come down there with my hat caved in Doo-dah! doo-dah! I go back home with a pocket full of tin Oh! de doo-dah day! Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray The long tail filly and the big black hoss Doo-dah! Doo-dah! They fly the track and they both cut across Oh! de doo-dah day! Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray The blind hoss sticken in a big mud hole Doo-dah! doo-dah! Can’t touch bottom with a ten foot pole Oh! de doo-dah day! Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray Old muley cow come on to the track Doo-dah! Doo-dah! The bob-tail fling her over his back Oh! de doo-dah day! Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray Then fly along like a rail-road car Doo-dah! doo-dah! Runnin’ a race with a shootin’ star Oh! de doo-dah day! Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray See them flyin’ on a ten mile heat Doo-dah! Doo-dah! Round the race track, then repeat Oh! doo-dah day! Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the gray I win my money on the bob-tail nag Doo-dah! doo-dah! I keep my money in an old tow-bag Oh! de doo-dah day! Goin' to run all night Goin' to run all day I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag Somebody bet on the Geoff Gray

Call me stupid (again) but I'm going to stick with the idea that this is a legit question. So, you are saying there shouold no more Galen Cook info posted at Dropzone unless posted by Galen? Is that what you are DEMANDING? Then who next will you chase off or demand leave by whatever means ? Georger? Farflung? Meyer Louie? Smokin99? (Bob Knoss has already been nullified) Jo Weber? Make your list of who should not be here known. No need to post a 2000 word reply - JUST GIVE US YOUR LIST OF WHO YOU WANT GONE HERE! Because Mr. Cook is not going to come here himself, which you already knew before your latest rants against Galen Cook and Bruce etal. Am I one of Cook's shills, according to you? Are you a shill for Porteous (and Geooff Gray or Tom Kaye) who you are posting for? My question is "perfectly legitimate" to use your words above.

My question on Cook was perfectly legitimate. It wasnt a single question. It has been two years of anti Galen Cook posts by you here at DZ. If not one thing then another. A whole campaign! Just oneof numerous campaigns of yours. A long long list of accusations - Legitimate? Maybe if readers were blind and deaf.

Hello???...Hello??? Rein in your green eyed monster. Did Galen Cook ask Bruce Smith to come on Dropzone and post as his proxy????? That would be the question you should ask before making your asinine assumptions. In order to "use a shill" you have to be an active participant. From what I am reading from Bruce - he has conversations with Galen and then chooses --- on his own-- to post those conversations. Perhaps Bruce Smith can enlighten us as to whether Galen Cook is "using" him as a "shill". Smokin99: Why don't we cut through the baloney and see what brand of mustard is being used on the sandwich? Smith has claimed that the reason Cook doesn't post on his own is because he was banned by Quade. If this is not true, wouldn't you like to see Cook post up his own case? And wouldn't you like to know WHY Cook said that? Let's just say for a moment that Cook told Bruce Smith he was banned and Smith has no idea whether it's true. I'm simply asking if it is. And if it ISN'T true, then Cook should post for himself, instead of using the Mountain News and Bruce as a platform while being able to dodge questions at the same time. I'm not perfect, but I only LOOK stupid. Hint. You're not perfect and you look stupid. Here's the deal: Bruce Smith says that sometimes Galen calls, they talk, then he (Bruce) posts snippets of their conversations. No where in that dialogue does anyone suggest that Galen asks Bruce to post for him. Really that is the only thing that should be of concern...... However,,,,,maybe I'm missing something here, but I've been hanging out at the dropzone for a bit longer than you - and I'll go out on a limb here and say that Galen Cook has never been a prolific poster on the Dropzone. I even have my doubts - though I'm not totally sure on this one - that he has ever been what one would term a "regular" poster. Dont let Blebins' mind games degrade the facts: Cook does not post here, was never a prolific poster here, and does not have any shills as Blevins contends. Nor would Cook and others EVER come here - why? Because ths super troll Blevins is here. Bruce is too independent to be anyone's shill. Think about it! Bruce and Galen dont even agree 100% of the time. Galen does not prep Bruce! That is obvious to me because I have some info about these matters. Blevins is constructing a straw man to get everyone worked up just as he always does. Strawmen are Blevins specialty. Blevins throws out concepts and defends them as if they were facts - slowly, if he can, his arguements take on the veil of facts ... thus another Sham Wow job is performed. Just ignore the troll. It is the only way. Lets justassume for the swkeof argument, Blevins' accusation against Cook were trueand Blevins got 100% agrement here at DZ. Would that change anything? Would that change Cook? Or Bruce? Or the jet stream!? No. So the whole thing is vacuous in any event.. which would become obvious after the fact. It wouldnt enhance Blevins' stature one iota, nor would it decrease Cook's stature one iota ... its all vacuous and just a persistent strawman Blevins can hold ground with ....... daily.

It was a legit question, despite your protests, duly noted. ADVICE: Stop saying things in anger you regret and edit moments later. If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe Marilyn, I havent edited anything - if I did its none of your business in any event! Saying things in anger? Dont you wish! Thats your schtik. You arent worth getting angry over. You werent posing questions - You were making accusations. And arguing with Smokin99. The anger is yours. Just like you argue with everyone, inevitably. Advice: drop it while youre ahead -

Hello???...Hello??? Rein in your green eyed monster. Did Galen Cook ask Bruce Smith to come on Dropzone and post as his proxy????? That would be the question you should ask before making your asinine assumptions. In order to "use a shill" you have to be an active participant. From what I am reading from Bruce - he has conversations with Galen and then chooses --- on his own-- to post those conversations. Perhaps Bruce Smith can enlighten us as to whether Galen Cook is "using" him as a "shill". Smokin99: Why don't we cut through the baloney and see what brand of mustard is being used on the sandwich? Smith has claimed that the reason Cook doesn't post on his own is because he was banned by Quade. If this is not true, wouldn't you like to see Cook post up his own case? And wouldn't you like to know WHY Cook said that? Let's just say for a moment that Cook told Bruce Smith he was banned and Smith has no idea whether it's true. I'm simply asking if it is. And if it ISN'T true, then Cook should post for himself, instead of using the Mountain News and Bruce as a platform while being able to dodge questions at the same time. I'm not perfect, but I only LOOK stupid. This only matters to YOU and to nobody else on the planet ! Happy Day Turkey.

Jo... I really don't care why he doesn't post on an internet forum. Each to his frickin own. If my goal was to write a book on one of the most infamous crimes of the 20 century and I thought i had a fresh take on it...I mean really - why would I want to dilute my product by posting my every thought/chapter on an internet forum? Actually, Smokin...Galen Cook DOES post. He just uses Bruce Smith to do it. Or haven't you noticed? Pretty obvious, hard to deny. Bullshit. If Bruce Smith chooses to post his conversations with Galen Cook, then that is Bruce Smith posting. Not Galen Cook. But you know what? What fricking difference does it make anyway? If you're gonna write a book get the most mileage possible. I personally would not divulge all on an internet forum -- but hey...each to his own. Just turn him off! Ignore the troll ... He's a shill for himself! And consumed by jealousy. Has no cogent arguements about anything, no credibility, and is consumed by trying to sidtrack and derail this forum. That is the only mission he can muster. Just ignore the troll . . . he's just trying to take people down with him..

Why is Bruce being Cook's mouthpiece on the forum? It's strange -- what's the real motivation? MeyerLouie whats the 'motivation' for anyone posting here?

Wonder what Danny Boy ate 41 years ago? Look at Tom's element wheel .. mostly cigarettes by the loook of it. Maybe some things from the 305 galley? (Gray is an expert on that!)

Likewise and Happy Holidays to all - Georger

Almost, but not quite nothing. Himmelsbach: Yeah you've quoted that before. Though I don't know why, since, in reality, it would seem that Himmelsbach did not know his dynamite from a hole in the ground. I and others have posted several pictures of red dynamite of roughly the same shape. dimension, and did I mention COLOR (RED) of the description depicted in the transcripts. Yet you persist. So maybe none of the dynamite Himmelsbach handled was red, but there was red dynamite. Could it have been fake...sure...I tend to think there is credence in the flare idea. But the fact that it was RED is NOT proof that it was not dynamite. all depended on where you got it and what type - however: Tina described the color as close to the bright red of her uniform. Therein is the distinction H was keying on - according to H. The same may not be true of road flares - Ive never seen a road/railroad flare that wasnt red and railroad flares had a rounded strike cap on one end - The sticks Tina saw had wires coming out of them, or so she thought. If I'm not mistaken the plastic cap comes off as it is the striker. just point that part to the back of the suitcase, here is a flare bomb well that photo is interesting - an actual flare bomb? - didnt know you could make a bomb out of flares ??? If you can then Cooper was one step ahead, had several bases covered ... bomb plus flares for the bailout ...maybe had some ordinance experience ... Ti etc on tie? ... Perhaps this ties into 99's earlier post about firing range ? ... personnel there?

Almost, but not quite nothing. Himmelsbach: Yeah you've quoted that before. Though I don't know why, since, in reality, it would seem that Himmelsbach did not know his dynamite from a hole in the ground. I and others have posted several pictures of red dynamite of roughly the same shape. dimension, and did I mention COLOR (RED) of the description depicted in the transcripts. Yet you persist. So maybe none of the dynamite Himmelsbach handled was red, but there was red dynamite. Could it have been fake...sure...I tend to think there is credence in the flare idea. But the fact that it was RED is NOT proof that it was not dynamite. all depended on where you got it and what type - however: Tina described the color as close to the bright red of her uniform. Therein is the distinction H was keying on - according to H. The same may not be true of road flares - Ive never seen a road/railroad flare that wasnt red and railroad flares had a rounded strike cap on one end - The sticks Tina saw had wires coming out of them, or so she thought.

Wow. Tosaw spent some really serious money on his Cooper dive ops. THREE hard hat divers? Your average Joe Scuba doesn't have hard hat gear. Pro divers do and they don't come cheap. I hadn't realized Galen was so close to Tosaw. Maybe it was a law brotherhood thing, like a shark bond. BTW Bruce, it NOT a pilot chute, 100% certain. It's most likely a flare chute. You'd assume Tosaw had access to all the FBI evidence. Was there something in it that made him so sure Cooper splashed? A river landing was pretty unlikely if you look at the odds. 377 I think it was the money find in 1980 that convinced Tosaw had gone in, in some area adjacent to the Columbia and bought it. He seemed convinced evidence would turn up inthe Tena Bar area, but also went further downstream closer to Frenchman's bar ...