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Uh, no. Ask Himmelsbach. Or anyone who was originally involved in the case. You should know this stuff already. Thought you were a Big Expert on Cooper. Ask Himmelsbach? You have asked Himmelsbach? When did you talk to Himmelsbach? Stop throwing personal attacks Reverend Blevins and just ANSWER THE QUESTION! Shed some light on your claim(s) - oh pretty pleez?

I know the answer to this question, i.e. did they screen NWA employees. Believe it or not, NO. Just the crew of 305 and probably some NWA execs who were involved in the providing of the money, or who worked with trying to figure out where the hijacker may have jumped. The reason was no one at the FBI even considered the possibility it could be an employee. No kidding. Larry Carr voiced that opinion in a radio interview in 2008, as well. You can find that interview down on Links on the DB Cooper page at Wikipedia. One of the reasons is because back in 1971, airline employees were considered 'better' somehow than the average population. Kind of like that movie 'Catch Me If You Can'. Whats your source for this NEWS! ? So Mr Expert Rev Blevins, did NWO have finger prints of its employees, and did the FBI do any finger print matching, of who? Once again you pick and chose from remarks someone has made long after the fact which may not even apply to the question at hand. PLAY IT AGAIN SHAM WOW REV BILLY-BOB BLEVINS.

Robert replies: Oh, yeah Mr Science? Then how come after 40 years no one has remembered him from PDX or Portland? And what 'mug shot' do you refer to exactly? Oh, you mean the Sketch. Yes. The one they compiled from three different composites from the FBI's Facial ID Catalog. Just so you'll understand this concept of 'Composite Sketches' a bit better...the Green River Killer lived right in the middle of the very neighborhoods he terrorized for years. They had detailed sketches put up on him, too. Everywhere. Even the Seven-Eleven where he stopped in occasionally. No one recognized him from the sketches. The only way they finally caught him was by DNA, because after the tech came along, they already had a sample from one Gary Leon Ridgway. And there is something else...they actually QUESTIONED Ridgway at one point...had him at King County GR Task Force and that's when they asked for the swap sample, which he gave. DNA came along years later, so they went back and started doing tests on all the collected samples from suspects. Then they went down to Kent and arrested Ridgway at his truck painting job. Funny thing, though. When they did the interview and took the sample all those years previously, they didn't even recognize him from the sketch that was HANGING IN THE VERY OFFICE WHERE THEY INTERVIEWED HIM. LOL you are still assuming the sketch is a photograph of the hijacker, when it is not. Robert: God, I love that statement. You just HATE IT that some Mr Ordinary Guy *might* be on to something you couldn't figure out on your own. Logic and science are good pursuits, but sometimes the answer lies in simply identifying a viable suspect, and then try to discover the truth about that suspect through the people who knew him, or by gathering evidence. But the truth is I don't know if Kenneth Peter Frickin' Christiansen, along with Bernard Wayne Geestman actually hijacked Flight 305. You should be happy that the Seattle FBI will probably disprove once and for all that Kenny was the guy. But your problem is that you FEAR the possibility they might discover something else, and your hate and anger about it show in spades. You grind your teeth in frustration, you want to punch out your monitor. How could he do it? How could some lowlife guy who scrubs floors for a living have the gall to maybe discover the truth? Oh, I'm sure it really chaps your hide that this could happen, even though the chances of that are pretty damn small. We will have to see, of course. No worries. Chances are Christiansen wasn't the guy, but you obviously fear any attention the FBI might decide to throw his way, and for this reason you have lost all credibility, IMHO as any kind of researcher on the case. REAL Cooper researchers would be happy to find out Christiansen isn't the hijacker, and finally have it confirmed by official sources. You are different somehow on this question. Robert: I'm not a sleaze, not stupid, and certainly not corrupt. Just an ordinary NW kind of guy. Nothing more, nothing less. You are under a delusion here. Robert: Thank you for that psychological insight into my character, Lucy. Where do I drop my nickel? Robert: Don't knock Dropzone. You post here, too. I hate to speak for anyone else, but I think it's safe to say some folks here besides myself are tired of reading your nonsensical, Alice-in-Wonderland posts. Like yesterday, when you repeated the same line in one of your posts more than FIFTY TIMES. The first thing I thought of when I saw that was the scene from the famous horror film with Jack Nicholson. You know the one. He keeps typing this: Next thing, you'll be crashing through your own monitor saying "Here's Johnnnnny!" Report goes to the Seattle FBI next Monday morning. Pictures are already finished. I have to complete some editing on the main document this week. Get used to it. Move on. I don't know why you are so upset about it anyway. They'll probably reject the whole thing. bull. total raving nonsense ... But psychologically interesting". You accuse as you yourself do. Thats known as a STRAWMAN! Sell it to the Eskimows, Rev. Blevins.

Don't buy it airtwardo, not even for a second. This is probably a bigger deal than some white collar office crime. He would have to virtually isolate himself from everyone, everywhere at his place of employment to have any chance of not being recalled or remembered by someone, somewhere along the way. I say the chances of that are slim to none. I used to work for the Forest Service, I went days without seeing anyone at times, but somewhere, sometime, along the way, I had to run into and interact with a somebody. MeyerLouie The only people he would need to worry about being recognized by would have been the passengers & crew of THAT particular flight... No a real stretch to see that would be highly possible. I don't know how the paperwork was handled back in '71, but today anyone working as flight or cabin crew and quite easily look up who will be working any scheduled flight a month in advance. Not to mention IF D.B. were a NWA employee... if he simply recognized anyone on-board the aircraft he would most likely abort the plan. In fact who's to say he hadn't done that on prior 'dry-runs'. add to that anyone he would run into at PDX while waiting_ anyone he would run into in the whole context of being at PDX or in Portland_ and the list goes on_ including the whole world once a mug shot was distributed by Law Enforcement! These "candidate pushers" really want us to believe the whole world is deaf, dumb, and blind ... literally, in order to squeeze their non-recognised Cooper through the eye of a needle ... to be tripped up latter by some houswife or Geestman or someone who runs 4 Clydesdales abreast or was an Olympian in the Iditarod ? _ ONLY revealed by interviews with some SUPER DECTECTIVE/HOUSE CLEANER! Typical cult delusional sleaze in expectation of the world they presumed is as ambivalent, stupid, and as corrupt at its core, as they are! It all relies on deep-seated cynicism and an inferiority complex. This is all NatGeo gobblewobble fit only for places like Dropzone where anyone can post any damned thing 24-7 in the name of a "point of view" in quest of temporary fame!

Ckret had greater access to FBI case info than anyone on this forum has ever had. With the exception of Tom Kaye, Bob Knoss, Robert M Blevins, Jo Weber, Geoffrey Gray, Leonard Pinks, Elmo, Dolly Parton, and the LDS nuns Jo has just discovered in Utah!

Blevins an FBI agent? Georger exactly what did you have to drink tonight? Jo Weber as the wife of DB Cooper? Jo exactly what did you have to drink tonight?

Post corrected to SMOKIN99, thank you. Sometimes it gets confusing because users on this thread are fairly free with the Quote function, and the two of you have '99' in your usernames... "Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..." Marilyn Monroe Yes. Gets confusing. '99' 'gg' 'bb' 'dd', '99', 'gg' 'pp', 'bb', '99', '66', 'gg' ... Say hello to Ken in our Seattle office.

It's a loaded question, Robert99. And I'm not dodging you on it. But it's difficult to answer because first, no one knows if any of the 66 or so prints actually belongs to the hijacker. Second, the DNA sample itself is suspect. There is much debate about it because of the age of the sample at the time it was taken, that multiple people have handled the tie during the years before DNA came along, and other factors. Outside of the FBI, no one really knows how viable the sample taken is, or what results they were able to obtain from that sample. They can't even tell you for sure it belongs to the hijacker. I've never based the case for Christiansen on DNA, but on other evidence gathered outside of the FBI's investigation. I have always believed that if the case were eventually solved, it would be by witnesses who could fill in the blanks sufficiently to satisfy the FBI that indeed, they had their man. This evidence is important, and cannot be written off with a 'what if'. It needs to be checked. You may be putting the cart before the horse, anyway. The reality is that if the FBI decides to take any action at all on my report, that they would do an investigation based on that report...before moving on to any DNA comparisons. Let me put it this way. If they investigated the witnesses and examined the photos and docs...and found alternate answers to them...and then move on to DNA/print comparisons without a match...then yes, I would accept the results and relegate KC to the list of people eliminated as possibly being Cooper. In fact, they wouldn't even have to do the print comparisons or DNA to satisfy me. Let's face it, if I'm wrong on the evidence regarding Kenny, then I have no case at all. You and your machinations are not even a blip on the bottom of their waste baskets. And if anything, in a moment's pause, they are probably glad you are here fucking things up for everyone! Some people have actually speculated you might be an FBI agent sent here to fuck everyone up!

in other words no one will accept that their guy is excluded even if the FBI says that are.

I think she has a book coming out. Marla is very articulate and photogenic. She'll get another "15 minutes" for sure. 377 ended - quickly!? Somebody's clock is broken. Its wishful thinking on the part of the ... COMPETITION!... who cant compete. Its all good.

I understand your point completely. And I really don't want to be a broken record around here, but there are a couple of points regarding KC's employment with the airline. Most of them were discovered not by me, but by Geoff Gray. Although I did interview a couple of folks that KC worked with, it was Gray who did the real research on that. Let me quote from his 2007 article: The only things I was able to discover regarding KC and the airline were these: Some folks he worked with mentioned that although everyone at NWA was buzzing for months about the hijacking, Kenny never said a word about it, or volunteered any comments. (Bernie Geestman's sister 'Dawn J' said the same thing in her interview, and I hadn't spoken to Kenny's co-workers yet. She called it 'strange'.) And he stopped attending the union meetings. I also found out he was only flying maybe twice a month, and never the domestic routes. When he would go out for the airline, it was usually to Manila, Japan, places like that. NWA guy who appeared on Decoded noted that there was very little fraternization among the crews because NWA usually kept the same crews on the same flights. I will admit it is a mystery as to why he would continue to work for the airline post-hijacking. I have wondered this myself. I'm not totally dumb on this question.

Welcome to the 21st century, Georger. You're the guy with no math skills! Pressing buttons is not "thought" -

dense fog advisory in Scotum Arkansas tonight - be careful!

Apology accepted. (*smiles*) No one has revealed Tina Mucklow's exact address. There have been some pictures posted by Galen Cook. Geoff Gray said she lived in Springfield, OR. in his book. Answer: True. The closest I ever got to Tina Mucklow was mailing a copy of Blast, a few pictures, a letter, to her sister and the husband (former FBI agent) in Shelton, WA. "If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe So you are "affirming" to the world with a chortle, smirk, and (*smiles!*), T lives in Springfield, OR, after Gray published it in his book. *Smiles* alone is worth a contempt citation and 90 days, in my book.

I know. Had ROTC. My whole family military.

well . . . 1. she doesnt look happy in those photos! 2. you have publically pushed the idea she was a nutcase and nonfunctional for years; not something would make any normal person happy or her family etal! 3. you went out of your way going out east to find her family! 4. you called her down; she didnt ask for you to contact her and did not call you! 5. you are basically saying she has some responsibility? to talk to YOU! ? Baloney! 6. you are claiming she has some resposibility to the world just because she was a victim in a hijacking? That may be your personal opinion but it is not a shared opinion and has no legal standing whatever! On the other hand the woman has legal rights one of which is the right of privacy! 7. I think you are operating out of a very poorly defined sense oif yourself in this matter. You are some kind of Gonzo Journalist which gives you what rights? Pararazzi? This whole situation is frought with peril, imho. If I was TM I wouldnt want anything to do with you and the next step may be a Court Order against you.

Blevins, What is the basis for the above conclusion about Cooper having previous jump experience? As Amazon and others have previously pointed out, plenty of people made their first jump under far worse conditions during WW2 and a high percentage of them survived. Robert99 Yup.. THOUSANDS of them in every kind of weather imaginable... day .... night.... aircraft in severe spins.... aircraft coming apart... severely wounded.. and from every altitude from approximately 35000 on down to some scary close to the ground open and land a second or two later. Over 4000 US bombers were lost in Europe alone.... B-17's and B-24's had crews of 10 men each. Then there were the Brit.. the Germans.. the Pacific Theatre... need I go on?? As a gross statistic in that context, its factual. But I think in order to have that stat valid for Cooper you have to somehow put Cooper into that class, that population sample, and there is the problem. We also know there were a lot of injuries in your population. The stats of your population would break down if applied to the general population. The stats of your population would vary from a population of hobby skydivers. The stats of your population vs. all hijackers who bailed would compare how ...? Im just saying, transferring stats between populations is not automatic and from that fact comes the doubt we all have about Cooper ... because we dont know population does he comes from or represents? Himmelsbach had him a "food service worker"!

I wasn't discussing Ken Christiansen. I was talking about the hijacker, whomever he was. Christiansen has not been proven to be the hijacker. Get real. You hold the world up for years on KC and you ask anyone else to get real !!!!! ????? You are able to suddenly separate yourself thinking and posting about Cooper vs KC? You are not RobertMBlevins !? Who ends every post wth: "If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe Funny old Bev!

I would venture that because of the way Cooper asked for the parachutes, he may have had experience, but probably not for a while, and he wasn't a regular visitor to any dropzone. The choice of dress for him is one of the biggest mysteries, IMHO. And which "way" did he ask for the chutes that implies experience? Front vs back chutes? Clothes? To me that implies lunacy vs. extreme certainty in what he was doing and would survive the whole experience - quickly. And that may imply a dropzone near civilisation. The paucity of his clothes and the lack of any attempt to disguise himself or his prints may imply a "minimalist" approach on his part driven by dead-certain acceptance of the few logical options which applied to the situation he was in - either succeeds in an expeditious manner without complications, or is prepared to face and accept the alternatives ... that is a profile which the wallowers KC and Weber do not have ! Look at this crime as a game (theory). The options once he has taken the plane are rather narrow and well defined ... the only avenue for escape is to jump and that implies a narrow choice of outcomes ... Sure, idiots get themselves into situations like that every day but the outcomes have a large probability of being negative. Cooper's body was never found nor any other artifacts from the crime except for the placard and money (and both of those articles can be easily transported by nature). If Cooper was an idiot/daredevlil or worse, he may have survived by accident (Amazon's point). If he was an idiot who failed there is no proof one would expect of that outcome.

Refer to Ckret's posts - this was answered years ago. The answer is: READ THE THREAD.

Or, he could have been a pissed-off, dirt-poor employee of the airline who used to be a US Army paratrooper...

PMs are closed. Sorry. Absolute necessity. I just dont have the time for all of them ... HEY! I haven't tried to PM except for the time you opened it for some communications we worked on together. After that it was closed - I have NOT tried to PM you since you Closed it so MAKE your statement to the appropriate posters - not me. well somebody has deluged me with dozens of PMs which arent getting through - must be Marla's sister -

Experience in skydiving - Probably not skydiving but experience in a parachute wearing capacity maybe as a crew member. Experience with 727s - Experience or at least knowledge of 727s is a definite yes. Knowledge of SOP airline in-flight and ground protocol - A definite yes although it may have been military transport type operations. Potential experience in bomb-making or bomb-faking - Not much experience is required on this point but he had enough to get the job done. Only two people saw the "bomb" and I doubt if either had seen dynamite or a bomb before. Knowledge of FBI access to funds (?) - Unknown and Cooper definitely took a gamble on that since the banks in Seattle were going to close about 4:00PM for Thanksgiving and Cooper hijacked the airliner just after 3:00PM. Remember that bank vaults have time locks and Cooper may have come very close to having to wait until Friday morning if he wanted money. Not overly smart . . . - Agree 100 percent. He cut everything real close. How am I doing . . . missing anything? - A number of organizations and people, including myself, believe that Cooper was on the ground and dead within one minute of separating from the aircraft. In short, he cratered. Robert99 Those particles on the tie may connect to something specific ... ordinance? ... calls for mass spectroscopy to try and nail down the sources. The FBI/ATF has this capability.

The flight test program that Boeing did on the SE Asia 727s undoubtedly included validation of controllability under the conditions that were expected to be enountered during their operational use. Robert99 The very design of the aircraft might have (should have?) included that capability right from the start - selling the 727 to the DOD etc. The people who worked out the design would know ? Its hard to believe the 727 was produced without stairs-down-in-flight and the opportunity that gave, being right on the design board from the start - The tests pilots would know -

and that is why ... PMs are closed. Sorry. Absolute necessity. I just dont have the time for all of them ...