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or "batshit crazy" ................ He knows it when he sees it ? Then turns around and says the system he was part of is bad!

I suppose I can get a 'tude when people like MeyerLouie start making assumptions about psych patients. There are a lot of misconceptions. I'm big on history and proper diagnosis, and we have neither of these from Cooper. But it didnt stop you from making your own diagnosis of Cooper and adopting your "'tude" and posting three long posts about it, did it ? Thats what gets people upset about you - Next time put the horse before the cart: or a few clinical definitions before the 'tude and the proclamations. ? But you won't. That's why you are so much fun! Example: what does "batshit crazy" mean clinically/ your term. You even said your State is no good at mental health delivery, and yet they hiered you with a 2 year journalism degree and put you in charge of a team without any experience or training. Are you an example of your point? You use your prior job as grounds for expertise now? Self taught.

Wrong. The only thing that would 'squeeze Kenny in' would be EVIDENCE and PROOF in whatever forms can be verified. Nothing else. I also have to listen to MeyerLouie rattling on about how he KNOWS Cooper was a sociopath because of the hijacking. This is a very broad generalization, and the hard reality is that there is not enough proof one way or another to classify the skyjacker this way. He didn't talk to himself. He didn't say 'the voices made me do it,' he didn't hint anything about torturing animals as a kid or discuss his childhood. He didn't taunt the crew or exaggerate the threats simply to frighten them for his own gratification. Simply tagging someone as a sociopath based on the crime itself is worse than armchair psych. It's Peanuts and Lucy stuff not even worth the nickel that Lucy charged her patients. This comes from a guy whose view of mental illness is already slanted from his work at McNeil Island prison. Since Meyer didn't indicate a professional role at that institution, I have to assume he had the most common job: A guard. Since that job involves working with the most evil that society offers, it is easy to fall back on calling them crazy, when in reality many of them are just plain NO GOOD. Evil, if you will. But it's easier to call them all crazy. This way, you don't have to admit to yourself that some folks are beyond being reformed. It's true that Cooper could have been Looney Tunes, but in order to prove that...well, you have to PROVE that. And his behaviors during the hijacking just don't cut the mustard for proof. Neither does the crime itself. Now...if we were talking about a serial killer in the vein of say, Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs, then this would be a good assumption. Again, some REAL observations on the limited information about Cooper and his behaviors aboard Flight 305. From my previous post: The previous statement is a pretty accurate rendition of what Cooper was doing. They sound more like a desperate guy, rather than an outright sociopath. Those types have absolutely no empathy for other human beings at all, and have been that way since teenhood. If you want to declare Cooper a loony, then you need something else besides pulling off a crime, otherwise you are saying that everyone who has ever walked into a bank with a gun, or a 7-11 to rob it, is crazy. Where do you draw the dividing line here? When are some criminals mental cases and others simply criminals? Well, one way is to look at the crime. Another is to get a family history and a case history going on them. Neither of those last two has been done on Cooper. So to point a righteous finger upright and declare, "He hijacked a plane, so he was a sociopath!" doesn't fit the evidence. If Cooper were eventually discovered, then you could find out everything about him and make that determination. Or, if he had kept a few of the passengers aboard and shoved them out the door without parachutes just for laughs, or if he had blown up the plane remotely after the jump...you could assume he had 'issues'. But neither of those things happened either. Until more evidence on Cooper's mental state is discovered, it's simply a theory to say he had mental issues. Plenty of people do evil or wrong. Not all of them are crazy. Or to put it another way, people with psych disorders can become criminals, but not all criminals have these disorders. One more thing. More often than not, it doesn't take the average person long to figure out the person they are dealing with has mental issues. You may not know what the problem IS, but you know there IS a problem. This is especially evident in people with schitzophrenic disorders, and yes...in sociopathic personalities. They just aren't quite 'right' somehow. People with some mood disorders such as depression or bipolar, or folks who are borderline personalities are harder to spot. But sociopaths and schitzoid types are reletively easy to spot. You can't always pin it down without professional help, but you know SOMETHING is loose in the caboose. Not a single witness to the hijacking has ever inferred that Cooper had mental issues. Not one. "Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..." Marilyn Monroe More often than not, it doesn't take the average person long to figure out the person they are dealing with has mental issues. You may not know what the problem IS, but you know there IS a problem. "Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..." Marilyn Monroe

Jo, I am a vinyl LP fan and you are mistaken about record changers. They are harsh on vinyl, much worse than single play turntables. When a new record drops down it isn't rotating. It skids and slips a bit as it gets accelerated up to 33 RPM by the turntable. If it's the second or later record it will drop down onto a rotating record and the two will abraid each other as they match speeds. You dont want that, trust me. Thrift stores are full of good quality single play record players these days dirt cheap. Get a belt drive record player with a decent cartridge and you'll be back in business. Technics has some decent ones and they go for about $25-$35 often with an expensive cartridge and good needle. They have an adjustable counterweight that lets you use minium needle force and a tracking adjustment too. Forget drop down record changers, they are not kind to vinyl. Diamond needles last far longer than most people think. I use a microscope to check mine. I keep a brand new needle (stylus for you audiophiles) as a reference for optical comparison. It takes many hundreds of plays before I see any visible wear. Happy New Year Jo. 377 Why not just offer to have Duane and Kenny cloned to allow them to hijack again! The ultimate simulation. We could all watch and decide WHO the real DB Cooper was ? Both were fit and healthy as oxen at the time of premature death, according to those sponsors. Make their ressurections as DB Cooper real -

No sooner saide than done. The reseurrection cometh! viyomer elohiym - "let there be a record player!" Weber 231:464:547:48 and 31:494

Duane was the fittest healthiest specimen who ever died! There ought to be a new Olympic event: fittness dying! And fittness resurrection - to become D.B. COOPER! Just imagine the social-media and sales opportunities!!! We would need a new govt agency to handle it all!

Well put. I originally posted two links for clarification on this topic, but Blev eliminated them from his replies. I wont post them again. Blev may have an ulterior motive for wanting to divorce Cooper from psychopathology - to sqeeze Kenny in! Vlev and Jo both have taken this tactic before many times. To get the candidates in they have to alter facts and reality. So far as I know the foundation for the modern DSM is referenced in this posted below: from a website where people I know including several FBI profilers discuss criminal psychology. ___________________________________________ Originally Posted by REDACTED: Yes, it isn't very common to hear someone say "I knew it all along!" after someone is arrested for murder. I feel that whoever did this wears a mask that completely hides his true self, even from those closest to them. -- brings to mind Hervey Cleckley's The Mask of Sanity, his and the seminal work dealing with psychopaths which we all worked with and still teach with .... Wiki has a copy. Wikipedia: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Mask of Sanity is a book written by Hervey Cleckley, M.D., first published in 1941, describing Cleckley's clinical interviews with incarcerated ... Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It is considered a seminal work and the most influential clinical description of psychopathy in the 20th century. The basic elements of psychopathy outlined by Cleckley are still relevant today.[1] The title refers to the normal "symptomologies" that we work with daily ... Also see these: Mask - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia " that conceals the Mental disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia of the psychopathic person in Cleckley's conceptualization.[2] The Mask of Sanity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia These paradigms are still preserved in the revised DSM published last month - if you want more email me. _________________

Well, Mr Honesty, that's because Geoffrey Gray never said those things to you about me. I was going to post up publicly how I recently discovered this, but I decided against it in the interest of world peace. You should probably refrain from quoting Gray any further with false statements about me. I'll give you a hint. Gray says he hasn't spoken to you in three years. And other things. None of which support that statement you kept attributing to him. I still have a certain amount of respect for you, but I think we should move on now. Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..." Marilyn Monroe Well let's see - Just picked one at random, not the most recent, date is: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM. That is 2 years + But you are raising another straw man. Your posts here at DZ say it all. Gray knew something about you, apparently .. but Im covering old ground. He obviously didnt like or trust you. Fellow competitors in the book business? Bring Gray here. I will be happy to reply to anything he has to say, or not say, or suggest, or whatever. As I see this you are simply rearranging chairs on your Titanic. The end is inevitable. Your record is here on DZ and in your book and elsewhere. Try to have it otherwise. Im sure you will as the water rises. Its self evident.

I have to agree with Matt here. Regina Winkles, the author of the KC/Cooper article at Wordpress, has deleted more than 200 of the comments to the article in the past week, many of them filthy beyond belief. Some of them were about Gayla, my parents in Phoenix, you name it. She's still working on it. Hatred is rampant in Cooperville, obviously. One of Regina's emails to me about this situation says that she's traced the three IP's belonging to the posters who made the majority of the really bad comments. One belonged to Knoss. The other two almost certainly come from people who post here, but she doesn't know their DZ identities. She's banned all three IP's from further posts, however. I made a PDF of the comments when they were all in place, and sent it to Regina a couple of weeks ago. Apparently, she hadn't checked the article in a while, and she was shocked that people would do this. I told her it was just part of Cooperland...

You are talking about Unsolved Mysteries. There were 2 threads there. I entered a thread about Cooper ( and dbcoopercatcher was NOT Knoss). It was dbcoopercatcher who set up the other thread for me hoping Mr. Motto would leave. Mr. Motto showed up as CaretakerAll and crashed the new one. Best I can remember without dragging the huge albums out. Why I was so upset when he found this thread. Thankfully you guys read through him and ignore him - plus if you go back you will find his story grew and grew and grew. His obsession with McCoy just got out of hand. I even bought into it until I learned the history behind McCoy and walked on his postings. Back then - I could be REAL NICE. Now I am not nice when someone deliberately makes up garbage and I make my disclaimers known. Nobody but you and Blevins anda few other have ever been UPSET about Knoss, unless he posts too much. Its like getting upset about 'dust'. If its a dustbowl, yes. Otherwise .... You got upset about Knoss because he's on your level and took you on. The same for Blevins.

You would have to go way back in the thread. Gunther was discussed there but not since. Jo Weber tried to use Gunther to validate Duane.. Jo lashed out when people (Snowmman) could not follow her. I think the consensus was that Gunther was made- up nonsense. That is about all I can say about 'Gunther'. Sorry.

I have to agree with Matt here. Regina Winkles, the author of the KC/Cooper article at Wordpress, has deleted more than 200 of the comments to the article in the past week, many of them filthy beyond belief. Some of them were about Gayla, my parents in Phoenix, you name it. She's still working on it. Hatred is rampant in Cooperville, obviously. One of Regina's emails to me about this situation says that she's traced the three IP's belonging to the posters who made the majority of the really bad comments. One belonged to Knoss. The other two almost certainly come from people who post here, but she doesn't know their DZ identities. She's banned all three IP's from further posts, however. I made a PDF of the comments when they were all in place, and sent it to Regina a couple of weeks ago. Apparently, she hadn't checked the article in a while, and she was shocked that people would do this. I told her it was just part of Cooperland...

Don't ever mention Hobo the Cat. You get pictures...

And, if Geestman refuses to talk to the FBI by claiming 5th amendment rights or saying he's old and can't recall, what do you have? Anything? The FBI has a helluva lot better things to do and more serious priorities than talking to Geestman and Blevin's "that woman". Blevins wants to crucify these people! The FBI has no reason to talk to Geestman! Blevins needs to get a life"! Moreover, what is Blevins NOT telling us! He always has something in reserve he has failed to disclose. Who has he discussed Geestman with besides us and Porteous? Something that might get back to the FBI prior to Blevins even filing his socalled 'report'? Something to bias the FBI in advance of even receiving Blevins socalled 'report' ? Something Blevins will kvetch about later here in 400 posts blaming othrs for his 'misfortune' ? His "cop friends", socalled? Like Jo Weber, We know Blevins all too well here - what youve seen is what you get! There is nothing else. Its all a crummy stage act and bravado and claims ... then turns out he forgot this is 2012 and not 1980, or somesuch thing! Genius works that wayie but in Blevin's case its a sure bet ... and the only thing certain in this forum concerning Marilyn Monroe's talking toenails!

Georger: I didn't pick the title of the book. . Why is everything in your LIFE ALWAYS somebody else's fault? Do you EVER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for anything? Diversions, redirects, comebacks., etc etc etc etc And he claims its all an accident and somebody doing it ? He worked "with the REAL CRAZZIES" ! Blevins, go whine to your cat.

I may not like reading some of the things that Georger says, but I know he's been working on the case a long time, and has an education. So...because I legitimately had doubts whether releasing the report publicly was a good idea...I decided to ask his opinion on it, and why or why not. You'll have to ask him. . stop the diversion and strawman. i have nothing to do with, you troll, your dumb rediculous book, or your cat or contents of your medicine cabinet, prey on somebody else for a change, troll. get a ;life! im dpoing this wth one finger while eating out of a box of ice cream - that is how importanbto you are to me - troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robert says: Marla's interview wasn't published until three months after she went public. I tried to help her by suggesting she get at least one family member who was there to back just ONE point of her story. None of them would. . You tried to HELP Marla? Look troll, one thing that made your disgusting stalking of Marla so ludicrous and hypocritical was the plain fact that you yourself were under severe attack for your bullshit book: Into the Blast: The TRUE Story of DB Cooper The TRUE STORY of DB Cooper ! You attacked Marla TO DIVERT attention away from yourself! Damned hypocrit. Why dont you just proclaim yourself Messiah and get it over with! You worked with THE REAL CRAZZIES! ? Who and what are REAL CRIAZZIES, Marilyn Monroe? Tell us.

This could be because when people get pulled over by the police in Washington State, if they have been in prison here the dispatcher always says this: The young lady must have been working late: I got an email from her for Xmas Eve. Their records do NOT go beyond 1950. She checked the records under his name only and his SS number. My only problem with that senario is WHY he feared going back in 1980. . Wake up Jo. Lookup today was not lookup in 1980 ... in spite of Blevin's expert advice and confusing today with 1980! Things have changed considerably since 1980 - yes? Dont let Blev trip you up like this - he isnt your friend! Blev is just trolling - nothing else to do for the holidays. Sad but true.

LOL for thieves here. It's not a pretty thing. Then you can schedule that wedding with your gay partner that you were putting off...and get stoned while you are at it. Those things are legal here, too. If that's your thing. Merry Christmas, everyone. Buddy - KEEP YOUR POLITICS OUT OF THIS THREAD@!

. Weren't not me - try his Majesty Blevins. I dont post recipes, My Tunes, and stool softeners.

Well, your experiences working with criminals, perhaps as a jail guard...could give you a slanted view on the whole thing. There are certain crimes related to mental disorders, but simply being in jail for a crime isn't on the NIMH's list. You are generalizing. And I've never worked with DD clients, but with actual crazies. You didn't even know the difference even after I mentioned Western State and meds, and now you claim expertise in these things because you may have turned locks at the jail. Your assumption is the one that's ridiculous. I could name a dozen different crimes that people are currently in prison for that have zip to do with their overall mental health. The original argument was that because Cooper hijacked a plane for money, he must have been a nut. I say that's not necessarily true. Here's a possible place for Jo to check: Youth camp for boys, opened in 1961 at an old Cold War radar station site: Spruce Canyon, north of Spokane. Closed by Governor Dan Evans in July 1973. See attached picture. Hmmm. Your credentials seem to have expanded exponentially, since the last expansion, after the one before that, several days ago - after previous expansions. Did your "cop friends" give you a "Build a Expert" set for St. Blevins day?

This could be because when people get pulled over by the police in Washington State, if they have been in prison here the dispatcher always says this: That's right. When the cops here pull you over, they already know if you've been in the jurisdiction of the Department of Corrections BEFORE they get to the window of your car. I have this from a few cop friends who told me this has been SOP for a LONG time.

Come on. It's not my wish that you be banned for saying brainless threatening junk. How about just answering the questions instead? 1) Do you believe there was a 'shard field' of wasted currency found at Tina Bar in addition to the bills? 2) Do you think I should release the Christiansen report that was sent to the Seattle FBI to the public? Why or why not? These questions are not that hard, and easier to deal with than shooting me in the head.

Would Cooper be willing to blow up the plane? Nothing he did pointed to being psychotic or emotionally disturbed. Money-hungry, yes. Psycho, no. "Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..." Marilyn Monroe So hijacking an airplane and threatening everyone's lives (because you are money-huingry?) is a rational act? Robin Goodfellow. With sloppy Dianetics/EST! Then you wouldnt mind if I put a bullet between your eyes and rearranged your brain cells for you? Call it mental hygenics, therapy, to make you even more mentally fit! ? Pill time. (title of your post)

Yep. Everone who watched tv in the 60's wound up with a subliminal education in particle-wave physics and micro-circuitry. Yepper! Not to mention schematics for the 727, a Double-E, a job with NASA- JPL, and an interest in airplane hijacking! Hell that came with watching only one hour of your "Davy Crockette" .. KILD BAR ON THAT THAR TRE? The rest of us pudknockers were busy doing calculus!