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It is know how, by who !? Name your source for this piece of Blevins news! That's IT? You go through the entire unedited interview with Marla and that's all you got? I won't even grace that with an answer. Fine. Maybe it dropped from the sky during the hijacking in '71 and was later dredged as she believes. And I'm all wrong about saying the money couldn't have arrived before '74. You can have that, too. Stop waffling and go on the record: Do you believe her version of events or not? Do you believe her story or not? You can't have it both ways. Either you believe her and are willing to say WHY, or you don't. Anything else is baloney."If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe Cool your venom Blevins. Marla?. I could care less about Marla or your campaign against Marla using Dropzone. I rather resent you using Dropzone for your campaigns against people! My question is: It is know how, by who !? Name your source for this piece of Blevins news. Or did you just make it up for convenience? You make a lot of "shit" up, sounding all official and important! It may come back to haunt you -

2) $5,800 of the ransom was discovered on the banks of the Columbia River in 1980. It is known that this money could not have arrived in that location before 1974. It is know how, by who !? Name your source for this piece of Blevins news!

Your amateur efforts at playing 'gotcha' are noted. . Well, this has nothing to do with playing Gotvcha' - thats your game. This is merely a follow up on your insistence that people reveal their "credentials" and "identiy", in your reference to MIT and Carnagie- Melon. YOU advertised your interviewing experience as the basis for expertise ... I just assumed you had some special training or something to ground your 'expertise' which you have been advertising, something more than 'backyard psycho mechanic' ? If that's a gotvcha, then its yours ... and why you would do that and go to those lengths is another question I guess. All of your mechination does seem to point to a rational person with some kind of agenda and highly defensive in advance of trouble... perhaps pretending to be lost when in fact you know all along where you are, but where simply making a story to tell ...? You will have to admit all of your girations are a bit interesting inasmuch as they are seen at First Magnitude by everyone on all continents who have vision! Is it a new nova or a meteor, able to leap high buildings in a single bound - why no! it is Super Interviewer, only pretending to be lost for 30 days to get Lois Lane all jazzed up and ready, and for subsequent stellar event, subsequent to - The Seconding Coming of the Child of Super Interviewer! Such drama! "If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe And if you had gotten anywhere, only you and your priests would know about it. Otherwise some people like to hang their laundry on their front porch!

what chance does Cooper research have with people who are openly dishonest? Yes, the wheels will turn slowly indeed, very slowly. OK, I have to admit, I don’t see anything moving at all. cheer up^ what goes in - must come out, somewhere^>< vsini even black holes have holes in them! Its in the Entropy of the system ... its all entropy.

The reason Marla isn't showing at Ariel or at the symposium is simple: She would have to face the hard questions from people much more knowledgeable on the Cooper case. And that doesn't mean ME. Check-in time at the Reality Hotel."If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe Do you think Marla may have a compulsive disorder? Be paranoid? May suffer from low-grade delusions of grandure or be bi-polar? What's your professional opinion ... based on the below. You often speak about people's "motiva- tions". Can you pinpoint what Marla's motives are, arising perhaps from chilhood deprivation(s) or abuse? You spent time, you said, as an intake orderly or interviewer of some kind dealing with prisoners... What qualifications landed you that job and where did you work, for whom?

Ask his wife. Ask Paula's husband. Ask the people who had to arrange, at taxpayers expense, to provide fresh pineapple to the General every single day, no matter where he was. He is a jerk hypocrite. Do you really think he got caught the first time he committed a breach of trust and an act that routinely gets those of lesser rank court martialed? Fk him. Glad to see his pompous self righteous ass fall hard. And don't think he is a straight up guy who in a moment of introspection felt guilty and openly confessed. The FBI had him in a squeeze. 377 "And YOU were there" .... This is Walter 377 signing off for Dropzone News. Have a good night".

No, I don't hate her. I just don't BELIEVE her. She doesn;t believe you either - and she's the one attending DB Cooper symposia and giving speechs, while you rot on the Internet without an audience to pee in. Hmmmmm. Must be a lesson in there..

ok Jo, good to know you're ok and missed damage.

Now for the REAL Scoop! . Dont anyone ever under-estimate this lady. Thanks for your great post! Here's a link and Marla will be central in this and present an update on the case ... read it here: http://orhistory.com/archives/1924 Maybe we could get Marla back for a few nights here.

------------------------------------------------------------ This is great, but it doesn't help us this year, 2012. It would be nice to maybe meet up with a lot of people at the Ariel Days celebration this year. I'll keep an eye out for you..... MeyerLouie Or you could take a community college course in Decartes, Galois, and Probability Theory. Just stay tuned. There are people with plans yet this year - if the food drive and emergency shelter holds up! We didnt count on Sandy on the east coast, or Myers/Dvorak on the west coast! Seriously.

Mr Reasonable says: I think whenever researchers gather to explore the case, a meeting of the minds if you will, that this is a good thing. I fully support it. Funny. I thought that's what Dropzone was all about. Boy was I naive. Here's a taste! RobertMBlevins Re: [mrshutter45] DUANE'S FAMOUS PAPER BAG Nov 7, 2012, 7:44 AM My information is that you grew up near the area of the alleged dropzone. I don't know where you were actually born, though. I got this solely from page 171 of Gray's book. So if this is not true, you should ask Geoff Gray to make an edit on his book so he will discontinue putting out false information about you. Why split hairs? Nov 6, 2012, 1:49 AM Re: [MeyerLouie] END OF DISCUSSION Being right or wrong about something has nothing to do with credibility. Please tell me where I LIED about something on this thread. That would speak to credibility. I may not get it right sometimes, but I won't lie to you to make a point, or to forward an agenda. People have to be able to depend on something when they read your posts on the internet. And the biggest one of all is whether you are LYING. Once you go there, nothing else you might have to say matters. The Cooper case is not important enough to me to trash my principles in that regard. You can believe THAT. Nov 4, 2012, 10:07 PM Re: [georger] Retention Trench What political? Quade already warned me about that. Yack, yack, yack. I never thought of you and Farflung as whiners until just about now. As far as Farf goes, he doesn't even have the courage to reveal his true identity even after all those posts and cute pics. LOL, even I have the guts to say who I am. This makes the guys on Seal Team Six somewhat tougher and more straightforward than HE is. They took out Bin Laden and went public. *Posts musical interlude to shut out whining.* Nov 4, 2012, 11:42 PM Re: [MeyerLouie] END OF DISCUSSION Your credibility just went down the drain with that all-cap statement. You know that, right Nov 4, 2012, 11:53 PM Re: [georger] END OF DISCUSSION 'Hello...(hello)...is there anybody IN there...' You understand this concept, right? (*laughs*) (link) Pink Floyd Nov 3, 2012, 1:17 AM Re: [Robert99] END OF DISCUSSION Imagination. More interviews with criminals in prison than I can list. An innate ability to determine when people are feeding me Oscar Meyer or giving me the truth. Knowing when something doesn't smell right and then checking. Keeping records, videos, voice recordings, and notes. Admitting when you're wrong, moving on, trying to do better. Push people a bit when you know they are either hiding something or bullsh$!$ing you. I even cut through the crap on a war criminal once. He was guilty as sin. Nov 1, 2012, 11:22 PM Re: [georger] Independent Tests, Not the Government Its obvious you only have a sixth grade education. 'Hello...(hello)...is there anybody IN there... Oct 31, 2012, 1:38 AM Re: [georger] Alternative Possibility For The Holy Twenties Sometimes I consider this discussion much like The Village on the television show The Prisoner, with someone occasionally playing the role of Patrick McGoohan. Some folks play the role of the guy they kept replacing to try and break McGoohan. ________________________________________ Quote 'I am not a number, I am a free man...' Oct 28, 2012, 2:53 PM Re: [georger] Comments from Gray's Book on Kaye's Work I don't have to go back and 'read the thread'. I only had to read your latest insulting post. That post, and my response to it, is one of the reasons why I say your credibility has suffered. It's a guess, but I think sometimes you just get so furious that you say things without thinking about them. Let's face it, your bitterness and anger are so obvious that they practically flow off the screen in liquid form. So...okay. Did you or did you not post up something at DZ that Kaye wanted kept confidential? And is THIS the reason you were not included (or decided not to attend) the trip to Tena Bar? Don't waffle. It's either true...or Geoff Gray is lying. Which is it? Note for Future Reference: I don't mind the insults, but when you start dragging other people into them, and making allegations about lawsuits, etc. you can bet I will respond. Oct 28, 2012, 5:29 PM What HE said... Listen to the Flying Monkey. Before he came along, I thought Captain Scott had drinks and a smoke with Cooper and that the Columbia River flowed uphill... Oct 25, 2012, 7:03 PM Re: [mrshutter45] CB radio used in Cooper jump? How many guesses do I get to your real identity? Guess number one: Greg McFarland. Oct 25, 2012, 7:03 PM Re: [mrshutter45] CB radio used in Cooper jump? Georger and his picture efforts comparing KC to the sketch: One is a sketch of a person's face. The other is an actual photograph of a person. Sketches and photos are not the same even of the same person.

(k) Will the menu include Moose and Salmon? so many questions - so little time until the next Cooper Symposium in 2014. Georger, I appreciate your posting up the information, but the date is 2013, not 2014. Yepper Blev. Think about it. I know yer slow. Maybe reedthe postie! Think about it. so many questions - so much Mr. Obvious so little time until the NEXT Cooper Symposium in 2014. Hey Blev. Are you going to pass a photo of Gray and Bruce around to the Security people? Just remember. It is HIS symposium, not yours. Dont take ownership tooooooooo sooooon! Even though undoubtedly - you will play a MAJOR role - already!

And there it is! I would have posted it earlier but decided to let the fanbois schlep on and on and on in their righteous certainty of oblivion agenda. You will notice nobody informed Mr. Obvious. Gray doesn't want anything to do with - Mr. Obvious. A number of people are planning to attend and if all goes as some hope, there may be some breaking news just prior. Fanbois should stay tuned or miss out - again! Geoff Gray comes through again, while others have nothing better to do than bottom feed on the Deadzone. At this point, a neutral party (LIKE ME!) standing back and watching all of these MACHINATIONS as various parties literally compete for central position, or some piece of control, have to wonder WTF is going on! Several things are 100% obvious. (a) All major parties now operant in the Cooper Maldum Fornax has one or more major detractions, deficits, and hurdles to overcome; if not from one major gaf or another in the long history of people Coopering, then merely because of wear-and-tear in the social game of Coopering itself. Occam would seem to predict that sooner or later the whole Cooper beach will be barren and lifeless just from the death in the Cooper Wars - alone. Global Warming on Planet Cooper has taken its toll. (b) There is a strong cheer leading element of unreality to all Cooper Symposia backed by book writers and publishing houses and the various promoters of Cooper suspects and their advertising agencies!. I can think of 30 different ways to spend a weekend better, in Paris or clsoer to home in the alley beside our local grocery store! (c) These symposia are all being held in Washington State! Why not hold one in Guam ? (d) Will Gayla (former beauty queen) be there in her red dress replacing Marla? (e) Will the FBI sanction this symposium by releasing new data, or is this just one more promotion making promises it can never keep? (f) Will all feuds and pending Court actions be suspended so people can look each other in the face long enough to say "Howdy" - and discuss colors of Coolaide? (g) Will Geoff Gray jump four Clydesdales abreast on his Avendi motor scooter? (h) Will Tom Kaye throw his SEM off the roof of the building (to be shown on Letterman) ? (i) Will the Oregon Ducks Defensive Line attend all sweaty, in a direct appeal to Cooper fan psychology? (j) Will Geestman and "That Woman" attend? (k) Will the menu include Moose and Salmon? so many questions - so little time until the next Cooper Symposium in 2014. (g)

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The same applies to hobo camps - people go missing there. It didnt apply in 71 because nobody was really looking for Cooper in the back areas of Portland -Vancouver, but when the money surfaced at Tina Bar in 1980 a number of LE people began to wonder if Cooper had made it down to Vancouver, only to be waylayed and deprived of his cash bag, which was a common occurence around the hobo encampments along the river ... but too late to even make inquiries, in 1980. There are as many 'scavangers' of the two legged type as there are four; actually more!

Yes. Its a lot like the outgassing and decay here at Dropzone, isn't it! The worse the stench, the more unhealthy, the more you revel and defend it on the Theory of Persoanl Liberty for you, but not others? You sure hope DB Cooper got away. ! Do you say that in front of Judges, Mr. Attorney !? Do you think this is a game for uninvolved spectators, like yourself and RobertMBlevins? Something to add to your collection of trophies? I can assure you, that wasn't how it was on Nov 24th 1971 and in the days following. How nice you have your "hobbies", at no expense to others -

Georger, I know you can be more civil than that. Don't get yourself another ban. What is the unit of venom attraction force? EMU, Gauss, Gilberts, Maxwells, etc somehow do not seem appropriate. The flux density is high, thats for sure. 377 Like Blevins and Jo and Knoss, you are making a whole mountain range out of a molehill - here! Suck it up. Stop filing for appeals! The subject of this thread is: DB Cooper. Not RobertMBlevins, Jo Weber, Bob Knoss ... or radios!

My information is that you grew up near the area of the alleged dropzone. I don't know where you were actually born, though. I got this solely from page 171 of Gray's book. So if this is not true, you should ask Geoff Gray to make an edit on his book so he will discontinue putting out false information about you. Why split hairs? I've lived in Washington state most of my life, but I was actually born in California. I don't say I'm from California, though.If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe RobertMBlevins crafts one more Yogi Blevinism with: ^ My information is that you grew up near the area of the alleged dropzone. ^^ I don't know where you were actually born, though. Georger responds: Blevins, reach down and see if you are missing some parts. Now reach up and see if the thing with hair on it is there? You might have to pull your head out of your ass to do this test.

WHAT did I come here for:

Robert: Yes, that was in the first edition of the book. That book was pulled, revised, re-edited, and 12,000 words and several additional chapters added. Robert: I don't recall telling Bruce Smith this. If you are referring to his so-called 'interview,' it was a poor excuse for an interview. He became a bit hostile when I refused to give him the names of the witnesses. I may have even told him this to blow him off. The only place he published that 'interview' was at Dropzone. I think the mistaken reference to Scott happened because of a mix-up between Skipp Porteous and myself. If you read the Credits and Acknowledgements page on Blast, you'll notice an entire page of names and organizations I had to work with to do the book. I do remember warning Porteous that I thought the original book had flaws. Farflung: Was claiming that you were confused by phones and emails the truth or a lie? Robert: Truth. I have over 300 emails from Porteous, and then there were all the OTHERS, from people like the head editor for the Reno Gazette, a couple of NWA historians, the list goes on. Meanwhile, I was busy traveling all over the Northwest trying to get to the bottom of the story on Christiansen. You think doing all that without a single mistake is easy? (*laughs*) You try it. Farflung: Is claiming that only 30 copies of this were sold make it OK to lie, as long as it is only to 30 or less people? Robert: A lie is when you deliberately make something up that you know is not true. The Scott reference was a mistake. There is a difference. It was one of the reasons I canceled publication of the book. Farflung: What’s the name of the despicable person who made up this garbage? Shouldn’t this type of person not only attract, but receive venom? Robert: Personal decision by people to do that. But on the other hand, many of these same people ignore the witness testimony, the documents, the lies by Geestman, and the other evidence. In any case, if you write a Cooper book and you decide to say you are fairly sure your guy was THE guy...then expect some heat. Cause you will get it. On the other side of the coin, I get a lot of supportive emails and sometimes people ask legit questions. I made Blast a free download and more than 1,500 people took advantage. Normally, I would make about $3,100 on those sales. It's obvious I'm not involved in the Cooper case to make a buck. Anyone can get a copy free if they ask. Farflung: Gosh, I wonder if by asking for one example, where RobertMBlevins lied, was meant rhetorically or simply as an example of an opus magnum offering of irony? That is asking for just ‘one’ lie, when there is a bumper crop of, blue ribbon whoppers, to display at the Deception and Self Delusion Pavilion at the State of Confusion Fair. Hmmm…. I dunno, I’m not smart enough to figure that out. Sure was good to be all polite while this malignant data tumor grew and grew, instead of using some antibiotics (aka: venom) to kill this virus before the patient ended up in an iron lung. Robert: Now I have some questions for YOU: Why did Bernie Geestman tell History Channel that he thought KC could be the hijacker, when multiple witnesses place him WITH Christiansen the entire week of the hijacking? Was Geestman lying about being gone to sea with Foss Tugs ten to eleven months the year of the hijacking? (Hint: They say he wasn't) Was Geestman lying when he said he knew nothing about the arrangements on the 5K loan to his sister, or the purchase of Kenny's house...when he asked for the loan and delivered it...and the house was purchased from one of his best friends? (Ann and Joe Grimes of Puyallup, WA) Was Geestman's sister lying when she said she and some of her friends suspected KC was the hijacker from the start? Was she lying when she ID'd the tie tack before she knew its significance? Was she lying when she told Marisa Kagan at History Channel that she was sticking by everything she said previously? Was Helen Jones lying when she said Kenny smoked Raleigh cigarettes, and that Kenny admitted to her six weeks after the hijacking that he was with Geestman at the time of the hijacking? Was Carolyn Tyner lying when she said that the story was true about a plastic bag of 20's being found on the hill just out back of Kenny's house a few months after his death? Multiple Choice Question: Which one of these two people is lying: Bernie, who immediately pointed to his ex Margaret as being involved with Kenny in the hijacking? Or is it Margaret, who in six interviews pointed to her ex Bernie as being involved? (In her last interview, she admits on video and digital audio recorder that Kenny could have been involved) Why did Kenneth 'Mac' McWilliams, the guy who was left the lot out back of Kenny's house, disappear after he gave an interview to Geoff Gray in 2007? When he heard from his apartment manager in Yakima that Porteous was trying to contact him, he moved out just three days later. He gave Porteous as the reason and knew exactly who Porteous was, since he obviously knew about the Geoff Gray article. No one knows where he is now. (Mac is the guy who did personal care for Kenny as he was dying. The house itself was left to Carolyn Tyner and her then-husband Robin. McWilliams sold the trees off the lot as soon as probate cleared, then the lot itself, and moved away.) Was the West One bank in Sumner lying when they presented Lyle Christiansen with over $200,000 after Kenny's death? (Maybe they were just in a giving mood) Was Geestman telling the truth on Decoded when he claimed that Kenny left Shemya before he did? Don't bother to answer that one. Yes, he lied. Kenny was there for at least two years AFTER Geestman went back to Seattle. Here's the difference between a lie and an error: If I say that Scott and the hijacker spoke, and it turns out I was wrong about that, that's an error. This is obvious because the actions of the crew on 305 have been fairly well documented. If I tell you that Margaret Geestman admitted to me outright that she knew absolutely that Christiansen was the hijacker and that her ex and she were involved in money laundering with him...that would be a lie. Was SA Fred Gutt at the Seattle FBI lying when he said this to me in an email: Or this: RobertMBlevins begs with: “Please tell me where I LIED about something on this thread.” That's easy. Where do I start ?! You kept telling everyone I was born and raised in the State of Washington! I kept telling you that was not true. You kept re-telling it over & over & over .... so you might as well tell it again as an example of YOUR credibility and motivations! You just like fucking with people over and over, from the protection of distance and the internet! Like some people like setting fire to cat's tails and flipping turtles on their backs, if you can without getting biten... then you blame the "slapped down red haired step child" which is one of your favorite metaphors you have plastered all over the internet, for some perverse reason! Gray warned about your venom. There is a fungus among'us.

Thats an old idea in this thread - according to the Fazio the cattle were never allowed on the beach, period, ever. Just who are you relying on for that information - JT? Did YOU actually hear one of the Fazio's make that statement. Well, a statement the one who was with us in 2001 stated differently. I listened to the conversations going on but did NOT know enough to participate. Do YOU have a video or recording of FAZIO saying that ? Surely I did NOT understand a lot of what they were talking about - but I was walking with Mr. H and Mr. Fazio - What you are claiming is NOT what I heard, but then I was under a lot of stress with the filming - I just wish I had had someone with ME to record the conversations. The cattle being on the beach WAS discussed and if YOU are just repeating something JT told you - better back it up with a recording or with a written statement from Mr. Fazio (I don't know which one was with us and I didn't know their names). I would think if the cattle where on the beach it would have been for short periods of supervised time on a river, because I have known cattle to go into a pond (I personally helped my father pull cattle out of our pond on 2 occasions - one was dead). Why they went into the pond I do not know. I never thought to interview you! So, did you ever see cattle on the Fazio beach? Do you have information about this subject? Yes or No.

Its back in this thread - I will look it up tonight - must run....

Thanks Amazon. This is progress. You have added "wind" to hydrology. That makes sense, is also new! Now. (a) Is there any main hydrological (flow) route onto Tena Bar, from the main channel? (b) Do/did things flow through the inside channel by Catapillar Island onto the Fazio property? Who or what keeps that inside channel free of debris? I assume boat owners would want that? You have mentioned the flood in 1996 several times. Was that greater in the T-Bar area than the floods of 71, 76, and at the end of drought in 1978 going into 1979? Thanks. It happens almost yearly in May to June but that is the melting snow freshet that occurs anually... here is an example. http://www.brucesussman.com/heavy-rain-flooding/columbia-river-hits-flood-stage-expect-more-bridge-lifts-between-portland-and-vancouver/ Typically those floods are a reaction to very high temperatures in May or June in the Columbia Rivers drainiage across a large area of the NW.. causing a lot of the snowmelt to occur in a very short period of time, allowing all the water to let loose at once. Notice the brush along the river.. those are what I( and most water people) call "strainers" the picture is taken from upstream of the I-5 Bridge... its also not a real "FLOOD" like the 1996 even which I think was the largest since the 1948 event that took out the city of Vanport where Jantzen Beach and PIR and is now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanport,_Oregon There is water flow in the small channel that is at Kadows Marina.. but even when the water is high its not flowing thru that small channel all that fast... Frenchmens Bar to the south forces most of the water into the main stream... by design. There are wing dams there that keep the flow slowed down and that makes Frenchmans Bar a "point bar" occuring on the inside curve of the river. ( there are hudreds of wing dams along the main channel of the Columbia.) Some small junk flows in and usually its just pushed out behind the boat so it can mozey on down the channel. The Winter floods are a different beastie. Some years we get enough cold weather to allow for snow or ice storms to blanket not only the mountains with a lot of snow but also the lowlands. I have seen that stick around for a couple weeks adding more and more snow... then a warm air mass with a lot of rain hits... melting all the snow and adding the rain into the melt as well. That was the Feb 1996 event. I was living in the Portland Area at the time... http://www.cnn.com/US/9602/flooding/update/index.html http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM5RT5 The others..... just also rans Great post!! Will read this in-depth tonight when I have the time to digest it. Thanks.

You are a cattle guy G so I wont dispute your expertise but cows have a way of ignoring travel restrictions. I was driving on Highway 1 (coast route) north of the Russian River in CA. I am a conservative driver and try to drive slow on curvy roads where a bicylist or someone making a wide turn might be in my lane just around the bend. I came around one turn and slammed on my brakes HARD. I got to see how well my ABS worked. A big herd of cows was occupying both lanes. I said MOVE. They said MOOOOO. 377 I know the former Chair of Animal Husbandry at U Wash. well, who knew the Fazios and has been at their farm numerous times. He told me the Fazio never allowed their cattle to get to the beachfront, in fact there were regulations against that, plus its hazardous for the cattle. This was later confirmed by the Fazios and their neighbors. Moreover the cattle had apparently always been quartered on the far eastern pasture of the Fazio property, when not in the holding area which is directly in front of that pasture, that area being far away from the beach- front area; and still a retention ditch went in some time in the late 1970s to early 1980s (due to new agri regulations) precisely to keep any agri runoff from flowing down to the beachfront, from that area used to agri purposes. These practices seem to have been evolving and in place by the early 1970s. And in fact Tom's money analysis seemed to show no strong association with agri or livestock chemicals; which surprised me a little. I had expected Tom would find a clear-strong association but apparently not. We discussed all of this earlier in the thread. BTW, cattle would make quick work of any money bag or even bundles of exposed bills, left in their vicinity. That I can guarantee 1000%. Cattle are very curious creatures and territorial; nothing left in their environ- ment goes unoticed by a factor of mere minutes. I think the Fazios were responsible people in this matter - that is their reputation. They have always run a very nice facility by all accounts and cared well for their animals - photos back that up. I wish now I had spent more time meeting and getting to know the Fazios - except for one brief phone call I relied on others to interface for me, the former Chair of AH at UWash being one of those...

GEORGER! You are whistling to the choir. IF that money had been on that beach prior to the late FALL of 1979 it would have been found or uncovered by cattle ? Thats an old idea in this thread - according to the Fazio the cattle were never allowed on the beach, period, ever.