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I finally got the time to listen to this uninterrupted. This is a very good interview. And enjoyable. Perhaps now you have an idea why Tom Kaye was selected, and recommended to Agent Carr. Key was Tom's spectroscopic skills/experience based on my familiarity with his work on an advanced astronomical spectroscopy Yahoo Group where Tom had also illustrated his work in archaeological spectroscopy applications. The question at the time was 'would Tom even be interested'. The analysis of money from the Cooper find looked like a straightforward task Tom could do, looking for forensic evidence that would shed light on where the money had been prior to being on Tina Bar. One FBI theory at the time was that the Cooper money had flowed down the Washougal into the Columbia before arriving at Tina Bar. The Washougal and Tina Bar are in different geological regions. We were curious to see if the money had preserved any particle-elemental evidence of having ever been in the Washougal vs. the Columbia (a sedimentary zone). Tom has proven to be very flexible, inventive, persistent, and thoroughly scientific in his whole approach to the problems he has encountered in his Cooper work to date - and very sociable and agreeable with everyone he has had to deal with. Thanks for a remarkable interview! PS: And thanks to SA Larry Carr and the FBI for their support of Tom and his team.

R99. Read carefully if you have the credentials to comprehend what I am saying ! The quotations about you above are from PerplexityAI. Not from me. I did not write what Perplexity is saying about you on their website. I even gave the url for the PerplexityAI quote. Let me repeat it again for you,. The url is: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-cooper-sleuth-VuK94Z06T0Wi.YMxMVFEHw The remarks about you I posted are from PerplexityAI - not from me !!!!! Go to the url above and read it for yourself. If you have a quarrel with what Perplexity says, argue with them. If you dont understand, get one of your grandchildren who has basic computer internet skills to explain it to you. Good luck R99, Aeronautical Engineer.

Based on the search results, Robert Nicholson (also known as Robert99 on the DB Cooper Forum) has proposed some interesting theories about the DB Cooper case, but his credibility is mixed: Nicholson is described as a "long-time student of the case" and has relevant expertise as a retired aeronautical engineer, skydiver, and private pilot . This background lends some credibility to his technical analysis. His main theory, known as the Malay-Canby transect theory, proposes an alternative flight path for the hijacked plane that would explain how the money ended up at Tina Bar . While this theory is described as "elegant and compelling," there is no corroborating evidence from the pilot or other sources to support it. A significant issue with Nicholson's theory is that it conflicts with physical evidence. The 727-staircase instructional placard found in Silver Lake places the aircraft solidly in the Victor-23 airway, about ten miles south of where Nicholson's proposed flight path diverges . This contradicts a key aspect of his theory. The search results do not provide any information about peer review or widespread acceptance of Nicholson's theories among other Cooper researchers or law enforcement. The flight path analysis conducted by Citizen Sleuths, which used FBI transcripts, radar data, and interviews with the original air traffic controller, supports the original FBI flight path and does not support alternative theories like Nicholson' In conclusion, while Robert Nicholson has relevant expertise and has developed detailed theories, the available evidence does not fully support his claims. His work appears to be part of the broader landscape of amateur investigation into the DB Cooper case, but it should be viewed with skepticism due to the lack of corroborating evidence and conflicts with some physical findings. As with many aspects of the DB Cooper case, Nicholson's theories remain speculative rather than conclusive. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-cooper-sleuth-VuK94Z06T0Wi.YMxMVFEHw However* Flyjack research claims the placard referred to above did not come from N467US flight 305. Based on Flyjack's recent finding this finding above may be in error and R99 and Ulis are right after all ! That is all folks.

General questions seem to return a 'standard' almost scripted responses, including requests for more detailed information which of course nobody has. The credibility of many named Cooper sleuths and information they have presented over the years is surprisingly low or suspect and unreliable. That includes just about every name who has posted to Cooper forums since 2004, with one glaring exception - AI describes Eric Ulis as an experienced criminologist who has worked on a number of (named) criminal cases, etc. Ulis' credentials are glowing! Tom Kaye's and Bruce Smith's reliability is 'suspect' or not trustworthy. Georger is rated as 'untrustworthy'. All AI returns seem to be heavily weighted in favor of the standard FBI responses heard over the years and/or 'Internet and Facebook advertising'. I want to stress my searches have been limited and general so far ... Bruce Smith interviews are heavily quoted for some reason. My suggestion to use AI may have been a mistake. ? Just one more example of Georger Unreliability! Some of the AI responses I am getting read like an advertising campaign drawn directly from internet campaigns and newspaper advertising ? It is not what I expected at all. I was looking for independent analysis and evaluation vs. some Cooper sleuths personal advertising campaign for his book! Im surprised and dismayed ... its like the cows and horses have been in the onion patch and now the stench is everywhere on the farm ? AI says that Cooper's bomb was not real period! A psychological ploy, no more, no less. AIP says Cooper's primary method throughout the hijacking was 'psychological' relying on a manipulation of everyone and everything he could manipulate from the ticket counter to when he left the plane. His primary device was a fake bomb. He may not have bailed where experts think he bailed! To hear AI tell it: Eric Ulis is the best thing going in the Cooper case today Tom Kaye's work is optional and unproven. And the Ulis West Path may be true! And the Cooper money did not result from the dredging in 1974. ? (Robert99 may be correct ?)

well said! Hilarius.

Well one more: helping people THINK! D.B. Cooper's comment about Minnesota being "nice country" was made during a conversation with flight attendant Tina Mucklow while the hijacked airplane circled Seattle. When Mucklow mentioned she was living in Minneapolis, Cooper responded with this remark. This interaction is documented in FBI records and interviews with those involved in the hijacking. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/DB-Cooper-told-YvbaP.pSTXq0ToeK72hCOw OK. I am done. I promise! Maybe a brainless AI computer program knows more about the DB Cooper case, than anyone in the Vortex does or ever will know !? Until something tangible emerges, if it ever will, this case will flounder.

where were titanium and other rare earth metals being used most in the 1970s ... https://www.perplexity.ai/search/where-were-titanium-hrML1A_oQ3aUq6bTCn4sRg OK I will stop. Good hunting ...

what did DB Cooper reveal about himself during the hijacking ? and related issues - https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-did-DB-uEDyJ_5BTKanpYvWKBwKVw Cooper added other information about himself during the flight - this data should be added to any search ... For example: Cooper told Tina Minnesota was "nice country". What was the basis for his comment? The number of options are small but a fact of Cooper's personal history.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/did-the-government-PCyZgz3WRAyMLANTrJMXsQ AI is more than a a records search. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/How-best-to-ufciCk..QLOrlydLZ_SJhg

Something very specific makes the search easier-faster. In the case of the Unabomber it came down to syntax in writings and articles (in the Chicago area) with a former secretary in Chicago recognizing a similarity to writings she had proof-read years earlier, written by Ted K. That suspicion communicated to the FBI lead directly to the identification and arrest of Ted Kaczynsk. Similar identifying connections exist for every human who has ever existed on Earth. The numbers are no issue with AI. Much larger sorting and identification problems are being processed every day. What is missing is the people to do it and the selection of search parameters. Tom's whole particle list could be one tiny facet of a larger more penetrating search - or if nothing else then a clarification of the problem at hand as it relates to what is needed that would identify DB Cooper. Very few people in the Cooper Vortex have even asked: what would be required to conduct an AI search on DB Cooper. ? What does an AI Search require ? Facts vs supposition and speculation. Someone's psychological profile of Cooper would be meaningless/useless to AI. Statistical estimates must be as accurate as possible. Facts entered determine the outcome with AI. But, AI will even suggest a few methods or avenues to try. AI is not witless but a cooperative venture. That is one of its virtues. You might be surprised at what AI can contribute to the Cooper dilemma ... why not try it. And the sooner the better. There are many AI platforms available. One designed for public use is PerplexityAI Give it a try: . https://www.perplexity.ai/search/Who-was-DB-fSQWY9iNTCayh671XsjBxA Maybe we could get Snowmman to come back and give an opinion?

The details of the AI search paradigm will determine the results returned. The paradigm can be very specific or general or something in-between. If parachuting is a heavily weighted sorting parameter, then results favoring parachuting will result whether "parachuting" had much to do with the real Cooper or not. I am assuming Cooper's grudge was specific in nature if he was being truthful.. A personal issue. There is little doubt he knew what he was doing could have serious consequences if people did not cooperate. It remains to be seen if parachuting is a major element of Cooper's life. I doubt Cooper hijacking a 727 in order to prove someone could parachute from a commercial jet and get paid $200k for doing it! I think that can be eliminated from any AI search.

Just rambling: Cooper said he had a grudge, but gave no further details. Tina did not press him for details and the FBI did not pursue it after the fact. Carr says Cooper was a 'dumb ass'. Carr means that literally. Carr may think that all bank robbers and hijackers are 'dumb asses' ? But that does not get us very far toward solving who Cooper was. The next clue is Cooper's money demand. Cooper needed or wanted spendable money. So we have 'grudge + needs money' which could fit many people and scenarios. Needs money. Needs quite a lot of money in 1971 life. Tina should have asked Cooper: 'are you going to spend the money immediately or put it in a savings account?' One possible reason for needing $200k and having a grudge in 1971 is to solve an IRS problem ? All 'dumb asses' in 1971 had IRS problems, sooner or later? Cooper's identity and name may be on the IRS docket of people the IRS was dealing with in 1971? Did anyone bother to check the list of 'dumb asses' who had parachuting skills, who the IRS was dealing with in 1971? Is Barb Dayton on that list? We also have 'needs money' + 'a tie with very rare metallic particles on it'. So, search IRS files of people who work in top secret industries + plus have a grudge + who have made threats to do something to get back at the government' + have an IRS problem .... in 1971 there is a long list of those people ... Some combination of simple facts leads to Cooper. That is 100% guaranteed. In today's world an AI search of the facts and people on Earth in 1971 could lead or get close to who Cooper was, and a name? The tools must fit the demands of the search. The FBI did not have that option in 1971. Ask *Perplexity who Cooper was based on ...... facts. And stop all the *%ucking around" with this case!

No time left for it ........... time has expired. Good luck to future generations with the DB Cooper media case. May the best media people win.

Still waiting for R99 to present his "new evidence" (his words) of a flight path over Tina Bar. I am beginning to suspect there is no new evidence and there never was. Farflung and Hominid waited years and got nothing. It is now 2024. Robert, where is this new evidence you have been promising for years? No 'special credentials' are required to understand this.

Robert99 may be another Jo Weber. So far, his claims have shifted almost monthly, always claiming "New evidence" . But all of his claims have turned out to be "incomplete" lacking concrete proof of a west path over Tina Bar .. Years have gone by since this started - there is literally nothing anyone can do with what R99 has presented, and most people have moved on falling back on what the FBI presented. If and when R99 presents concrete evidence of a west path over Tina Bar .......... the world is waiting. Good luck to R99! R99 will say my post is evidence of my not understanding basic truths of the flight path. That's fine. All I or anyone can do is continue to wait for R99 to present his "new evidence" .... whenever that may be. The world moves on, in any event.

well said. For some the Vortex becomes personal. Too personal but that's another story. If the FBI had done a better job with hard evidence and was willing to share openly, this case might not exist. Agents I have talked to even agree but nothing can be done about that today - it appears. Likewise agents themselves still have their own lists of unanswered questions. The system has not been perfect for anyone. We all share a common question: who was DB Cooper and that question will continue ... regardless of the personalities involved.

Have one but thanks.

from Tom's original site: Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines: Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet). Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute? 955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet). Exactly how much suspension line did D.B. Cooper use to wrap the bundle of money to his waist? If the investigative search of the plane was conducted a mere 24 minutes after the plane touched down in Reno, NV and the number of cut cords recorded by the search team at that time was two, it suggests that Cooper removed two shroud lines (suspension lines) from the pink parachute. Logically, it seems as though the hijacker would grab two cords at the same time and make only one cut, rather than choosing lines individually and cutting them separately. Lines #11 and #12 seem the most plausible two, being a mere ¼ inch difference in length and located next to each other on the canopy. If D.B. Cooper took these two lines, he took a total of 338 ¾ inches (28.2 feet) of cord with him. If he doubled-up the cords for extra security during the jump, he used 169 ¾ inches (or 14.1 feet) of cord. Two cords vs. Three cords Whether two cords or three cords were cut remains a debate. Tina Mucklow asked the hijacker during the flight to cut some of the chute cord for her to possibly use as a safety line when the aft stairs were lowered, so as to not be sucked out of the plane [2]. Mucklow stated that Cooper informed her that she didn't need a cord. Was an additional cord cut from the chute at the time for Mucklow, but never used? This research was conducted by Carol Abraczinskas, University of Chicago.

D Bee Cooper balanced two basketballs on toes of one foot ! We ponder that anomaly in a fifteen hour session. Eric Uris discovered this fact while traveling on a donkey in Ukraine - which was under attack at the time.

Hmmmmmm, but is it neo zoom weavie elephantor to be Maldum Fornax material ?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Nyrop Nyrop, not Nypro.

And Galen is coming back.

Gossip vs factual news ... the Moon could be cheese. Familiarity breeds contempt, or just sloppy reporting ? Geoffrey Gray now lives in Mexico and Galen is coming back - never left. Jo Weber was amazing and LD was an early suspect! 'Dorey' took over the case from Himmelsbach - Himms charged too much for his interviews and he lived in a palace (his wife had money). There is more ..... stay tuned! Galen is coming back . . . Jo Weber had connections nobody else had . . . there is probably plastic in your heart valves and arteries and brain .. . if you remote view Jo Weber's dreams backwards you will know everything about the DB Cooper case including all FBI 302s. Oh! And Galen is coming back . . .

Boy to Split $5,520 of D. B. Cooper’s Loot L.A. Times Archives May 22, 1986 12 AM PT Associated Press PORTLAND, Ore. — The boy who found $5,800 of hijacker D. B. Cooper’s loot six years ago would get to keep almost half of the cash under an agreement submitted to a judge Wednesday by the four parties claiming shares of the find. Tuesday was the deadline for submitting claims on the $5,800 in decaying $20 bills found by Brian Ingram, now 14, on a Columbia River beach in Vancouver, Wash. In Feb 1980, six years ago. The parties that filed claims on the money were Brian Ingram and his parents represented by Richard Tosaw atty, Northwest Orient Airlines, the FBI, and the airline’s insurance company, Globe Indemnity Co. represented by J Pringle atty (Portland). Under the proposed judgment, which must be approved by U.S. District Judge Helen Frye, the federal government would keep $280 for use as evidence should anyone be prosecuted in the unsolved 1971 hijacking in which $200,000 was paid as ransom. Ingram and Globe Indemnity would split the remaining $5,520 equally. (Tosaw joined the case not long after the find in 1980 when the Ingrams were publicly demanding a reward.)