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Well said. Interesting. Thanks! This could be a generational thing. Style vs content. The problem everyone is dealing with now is more fundamental. The people who are working the case, have decided not to communicate about the case, PUBLIC ALLY. The public face of the Cooper case has died. People will lose interest but nobody cares.

What format do you think younger people (or just people in general) prefer today ? And why ?? Is it a mixed bag ? Tnx. Oh ... should Dropzone charge a fee to be here? Something that would help support their bottom line. I think people would be willing to pay that. I would.

People's internet choices-behavior has changed since the old Websleuth forum where Cooper was being discussed. I am told by a marketing specialist that 'forums' have been replaced by Facebook pages, Reddit, and the like. A schism has developed between the older vs.younger internet users with serious implications for the economics of older vs younger internet platforms. People's usage has changed! Advertisers have shifted where they spend their internet dollars. People's interests and the time they are willing to spend on the internet has changed. New is replacing Old. These changes have changed the whole DB Cooper landscape in terms of what the public wants, and how and where they will spend their time, and the content that is available. This may be what Eric Eulis meant when a few years ago he proclaimed: 'DB is all about money'! Libraries and how people access information has changed. You cant simply walk to the tenth floor today and browse Dewey Decimal Systems books sitting on shelves. Those books are now in some basement or in other buildings and you have to order them .... which takes time. My sense is there are a lot of DB Cooper consumers who could care less about any of this. What is this Dropzone DB Cooper Thread worth, monetarily ? If this disappeared would that be a real loss to the DB Cooper community? My sense today is most people could care less - ? I can tell you it's a subject Sluggo cared about.

Well, my grandmother's statement to us over the phone Thanksgiving Day 1971 was: "The plane went over here and was on fire". We were shocked. I told my grandmother, "I havent heard anything like that on the news". Our TV was on in the background with Walter Conkrite giving an update. He hadnt said anything about the plane being on fire, or having exploded, or crashed ... there wasnt anything in my grandmother's statement about 'seeing Cooper jump'. I didnt ask my grandmother if she had personally seen this or what the basis for her statement was. We began discussing family matters because we had no personal interest in some airplane hijacking that was going on thousands of miles away ... I never knew who or what my grandmother's statement was based on. If there are people who claim they saw DB Cooper jump from 305 let them stand up and give their stories. Nobody needs a broker or a handler to simply state their claims. What more can anyone say about this ? I am surprised all of this is being brought up again - I thought this was settled years ago in the Cooper thread, as much as it could be settled ... Frankly, I almost wish I had never brought any of this up! I am sure all kinds of people made all kinds of claims during and after the hijacking.

Janet Wink did not disappear, far from it. She and her husband continued to live in the area and work at Wilhelm Trucking.. may have even retired there, but eventually got divorced, and moved on. Janet moved east... Illinois? Ohio? I am sure Mr. Cook knows where she is. But they worked with a relative of mine and may have even attended the same church. By the time I was looking at this the people in my family who may have worked with and known the Winks, were all deceased or living somewhere else. I assume Mr. Cook interviewed all of the people he could find that had any connection with Tosaw's Janet Wink story. . Wink's story was published in the media. I am not sure if the old thread with this story is even available now here at DZ ? I searched and couldnt find anything. Maybe a search at Shutter's site will turn something up. If the Winks called the FBI then there would be a record... ???

When Cook releases the names of his witnesses, then the world will know. Until then its just a story except in the Old Thread, if you recall, Tosaw was at a book signing and was approached by a woman named Janet Wink who said she and her husband were backing out of their driveway and saw (what had to be) a plane going over from east to west, and something or someone with a flare dropping from the plane. They surmised this had to be the Cooper plane and they called or wrote the FBI and finally 'two suits' showed up at their door and told them to 'stfu' and never repeat the story again! The couple apparently followed these instructions until years later Janet Wink approached Richard Tosaw at a book signing, and conveyed the story to Tosaw. I forget the year, but didnt Cook release this to the press... and it was published everywhere and discussed here at DZ years ago. The Winks worked at Wilhelm Trucking in Portland. It seems reasonable to think their story got circulated and was picked up by others at Wilhelm Trucking. Wouldnt there have been a red light on the left wing tip as the plane went over? Blinking?

well .......... this is a pleasant surprise!

another Cook yarn

The whole world knows that! Time to move on.

DB Cooper RESUSCITATION - POST ULLLLLIS INSANITY: Like cheap suspenders from Malaysia that never worked, the Ulis Insanity appears to be over, and the world is attempting to recover and move on. At least that is the hope of a few that managed to conduct a Cooper Can and survive the Ulllis years, with their jockey straps and their brains still intact! Cooper Con 2024 came and passed. You can reed about it here. The FBI has reopened the DB Cooper case - or not. ? Thanks to Bruce Smith again for keeping the civilized world that still has its sanity, informed! https://themountainnewswa.net/2024/11/27/db-cooper-conference-a-success-as-media-coverage-swirls-over-new-allegations-and-findings/#more-11301

should the fbi repoen the db cooper case - wowzer! Holy Mohly! Answer Based on recent developments, the FBI may indeed reopen the D.B. Cooper case. A modified parachute discovered on the property of Richard McCoy Jr., a longtime suspect, has sparked renewed interest in the investigation. This parachute, described as "literally one in a billion," along with a skydiving logbook and harness, has been acquired by the FBI. The FBI has shown renewed interest in the case by: Contacting amateur investigator Dan Gryder after he posted videos about his findings Conducting a four-hour search of the McCoy family property with over a dozen agents Taking the parachute, harness, and skydiving logbook into evidence4 While the FBI has not officially confirmed reopening the case, these actions suggest they are seriously considering the new evidenc . The potential link between the parachute and both the D.B. Cooper and Richard McCoy Jr. hijackings could provide a breakthrough in solving this 53-year-old mystery. Given the significance of this new evidence and the public interest in the case, it would be reasonable for the FBI to reopen the investigation to thoroughly examine these new leads and potentially bring closure to one of America's most infamous unsolved crimes. Related What new evidence was found that led the FBI to reopen the case How does the modified parachute connect to Richard McCoy Jr What role did the McCoy family play in the new investigation How significant is the parachute rig discovered in the storage unit - is it the missing DB Cooper chute? What are the main arguments for and against Richard McCoy Jr. being D.B. Cooper How is it possible that McCoy was already investigated by the FBI and Super Sleuths and yet this development walks through the back door. Does attorney Galen Cook have anything to do with this ? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/shuld-the-fbi-repoen-the-db-co-B.9MdY0mS2mfQUagWalDKg

This is why I watch live sports. It's real ! You can only wait so long for the Promised Land with the latest DB Cooper guru looking for his keys! I expect the Cooper search to now shift to Antarctica and Mars. After a good beginning, maybe even a great beginning, the FBI in its various machinations botched the case. It became a joke. No question about this. Today the FBI seems unable or unwilling to salvage the case and actually work with private investigators and labs; its only option left is to make the next press release. That is absurd and humiliating. This is not just my view! What can be done in an environment like that? Nothing.

well ... except for a mouse phart by 377 on Shutter's obsolete forum, there is no news from Cooper Con 23. Is Cooper discussion now dead ? Forever? Or just secret restricted to 3 people ... in Mongolia? Apparently everything that came and went before now passes into oblivion ... since new renters have already taken up residence where the old Cooper Sleuths died of abandonment, trickery, and worse! What of the Cooper sleuths stuck on the corner of 11th and Vine waiting for the Cooper bus out of Seattle? Screw em!

Many good years Sangiro. Your website has been indispensable for sky divers. A true leader. Thanks for sharing it with the Cooper fanatics. My very best to you & yours whatever you do.

good idea....

Yes, it was atty Jack Pringle that represented Globe, collected Cooper money for them, and sent it off to Globe at New York City via Registered return receipt mail. His office was in Portland. Ive posted about this before ... I have no idea if he is still living . . . this Pringle is NOT to be confused with an FBI agent by the same name who worked on the Cooper case in Seattle ...

Oh my God! GREAT WORK TRACING THIS! WOW. CONGRATS!! Would/could the gentleman appear at Cooper Con with his story? Somebody should let attorney Jack Pringle, know abut this if he's still alive. Jack was the the attorney for Globe at Portland. I am sure he would love to talk to the person! Jack never knew what happened to the money once he sent it off by registered mail, return receipt. He got the signed receipt back from Globe but never heard another word and made no further inquiries ... this brings the history full circle. Congrats Nick. Great work!

There are similar rock types by other names around the world, for example in Sweden. Once again, it is impossible to know what Ulis' latest press release means. I guess it means what Ulis is saying it means, or not, whatever that means.

worth a listen -

what are you referring to ? what puffery in Part 66 ? 302s help bring new agents up to speed. I know one agent who joined the Cooper case in the Portland office two+ years after the event - he was given an armload of 302s and notes to digest. So 302s are generally taken seriously... for example this Agent remembers a boatload of paper work generated by Agents and area LE canvassing the Portland and Vancouver area as far north as Woodland trying to uncover any contact a 'stranger' might have had with anyone after landing ... the people out looking for Cooper or any sign of him included members of the public who were phoning in tips and suggestions ........... the whole mass of this paper work did not include even a hint of anyone interacting or noticing a 'stranger' including hobos in hobo camps along the rail line northside of Vancouver ........ 'Cooper just vanished, somehow'. ! Some people took this to mean 'Cooper is dead somewhere...' Years later that Agent is involved excavating at Tena Bar.

I think it was three different dates.... three sets of questions/answers spread over about a week................. I will look it up. Do you want a copy of the whole thing? Glad to share it .... I may have given Chaucer a copy years ago ???

sure - give me a few days, meanwhile Im reading Part66 with a fine tooth comb - hee hee. Cola was right about Part 66! Its dense with early Cooper/FBI history ...

You did not post whole pages for context. Part18 5477 is a whole page. Below. I really think discussion of the Cooper case has broken down and at this point is so confusing and time consuming, it is going nowhere, impossible to follow, and pointless. Good luck.

NEW: A week prior to the hijacking at Portland, a person was reported dropping flares from an airplane in Eugene air space. Ammerman is the source of this story. Ammerman and other controllers exchanged chatter about this after 305 was out of Ammerman's control. .. was the pilot of that plane ever identified and interviewed? Did that plane and pilot fly to Portland in the days just before the Cooper hijacking? Where was that pilot during the Cooper hijacking? Did anyone investigate that? I am assuming this is just one more Dead End.

Here again we have a cataloging problem. Each Part has a number, each page WITHIN A PART has a number. You have not given the part-page numbers so we can find these pages? Everyone posting is using a different system! Post photos of the pages as attachments so we can copy ? Otherwise your pages can only be copied as partial screenshots with the Dropzone logo across each page! Here is an example ! This problem has become a nightmare . . . people are stuck doing clerical work vs anything else. We the page WITHIN A PART numbers to find these pages you post. Most people just give up and go find something else to do............ nobody is going to spend hours looking for one page within a Part! I have no idea where DBC Page 161514324332526 is in the FBI's FOIA files and Im not even going to try to find it !!!