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The HIrisPlex-S DNA test system is capable of simultaneously predicting eye, hair and skin color phenotypes from DNA. What we do know from Cooper's own lips, is that he was a traveler. He had been in the Midwest and Minnesota specifically. He said he wasnt taking the plane to Cuba. At one point he said the plane could not land anywhere in the USA. He specified going to Mexico City! He had social awareness of the world situation at the time. He wanted out of the grasp of law enforcement but then he bails just north of Portland. He is on the run to something ... above all he does not want to be apprehended and linked to a hijacking. The money makes him highly vulnerable ... nothing in his reported grammar suggests a Spanish speaker! Its an interesting combination of traits and history ...

Thats an interesting point! ( The PNW in November is NOT a sunny environment which indicates that Cooper being dark/olive was likely NOT from the PNW.) so is his encounter with a flight 305 a chance event? He is passing through the area ?

and he has been watching/monitoring from some place for: the right plane in the right place at the right time - his words. Plane cant land anywhere in the USA! (his words). Nothing so far about the FBI targeting-questioning Spanish populations ... anywhere? The FBI uses "Latin" in its descriptions but doesnt seem to target Latins for inspection. Who were the Latin populations in and around Portland at the time ? Or Seattle ? Latins that worked with ordinance and rare metals ? ... someone totally off the radar! A loner. Someone the FBI would dismiss because he doesnt fit their preconceived profile. Someone off the grid ?

I love your tenacity!

Unless I am wrong, so far there is no genetic information from any source, to suggest or document Latin vs anything else. The issue is documentation. Actual verified evidence. Appearance vs behaviors vs genetics ..... evidence ... ?

I agree but nothing we can do about it - except - stick to facts etc. These folks will run out of steam then come back around .................. you can count on that!

If the approach plane's lights are off I doubt anyone on the stairs would see anything, much less hear anything due to the whine of 305s engines. I tend to agree - just a bar story. Im disappointed Edwards would spend time on it. This is the last thing we need right now - whether by accident or his plan Cooper is right back headed toward Portland where it all started. And for some strange reason or intentionally, The US Treasury Forensic people will not even be consulted when the money is found. They are the very people you would want to consult and have examine and deal with the found money! The FBI decides to use its own Lab in Washington DC ... but maybe the Treausry people were consulted and we just have no lab report to confirm that ? Its strange what the FBI gives us vs. what they dont share or comment about ?

Edwards: 'However, sometime in 2022, a researcher of the Norjak case met Gen. Madson in the Victor-23 brewery in Vancouver, Washington. They had a short but friendly chat, and Gen. Madson told another story. He had intercepted Flight 305 about five miles north of Camas; he had seen the hijacker on the aft airstair; and the hijacker had given him a traditional gesture with a finger.' True or not true? https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog Did Gen. Madson communicate this to the FBI ?

And pickles were the grudge.

Really! Union Carbide and India connect vis-a-vis thorium and uranium! So the Cooper tie now has a connection to India thanks to EU. Lax safety standards at UC. So, Cooper's grudge was over lax safety standards at Union Carbide. Hmmm. Best way to express that would be to hijack an airline and ask a small amount for compensation to millions of UC employees. In India? There we go! Shri Radjnish Cooper. India's friend at Union Carbide via Eric Ulis. Eric will now be front page news to billions in India! Way to go Eric! एरिक यूलिस एक प्रतिभाशाली व्यक्ति हैं। erik yoolis ek pratibhaashaalee vyakti hain.

You cant make this stuff up! Must be true! Does Ulis consult with anyone before issuing his mind-boggling enhancements of the Cooper case? I guess its beyond human reason or intervention. EU is a case all to himself. Unique and inexplicable. Some people are entitled to break all of the rules with the media covering their every fart! The media has turned the DB Cooper case into a joke.

He's milking the goat now!

The Cooper case is probably right where it should be: in near total chaos. A product of the people investigating it, if 'investigation' is really the word. The case has become a contest between competing parties! Nobody has been successful at establishing limits - what could have vs could not have happened. The case is in chaos with no direction. BTW, so far as I know, Meyer still has money buried at Tena Bar as a forensic test - if somebody hasn't stolen it. I wonder what condition its in by now? The FBI chose to bypass the Treasury Dept Forensic Lab which had decades of experience at teasing evidence out of buried money. The found money has been disassembled as found! Maybe Edwards, Carr, and EU have a solution ? This case is like a kidnapped victim who has been transported to God-only-knows-where and wakes up totally confused about what to do next!

Have lost track of the count - must be in the thousands edging up to a million: EU determined with 100% certainty. Has EU ever been wrong? New Topic for EU: did DB Cooper leave his socks on Tena Bar ? EU will know!

New thoughts from Edwards - https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog

test ...

Take a break but dont quit! I see two forceful serious people at work.... disagreement is inevitable.

Very sorry to hear this. This is a loss and a personal loss. Meyer and I discussed the Cooper case by telephone over the years. Aside from his interest in the Cooper case (Meyer collected many sand samples for people and participated in many explorations of the Tena Bar area...) Meyer was interested in Cooper's grudge and what Cooper meant by 'this was the right plane in the right place at the right time,'. Meyer thought if we could get to the bottom of that, it would identify who Cooper was. 'Was the hijacking spontaneous or something Cooper had been planning for and was going to do, inevitably'. On a personal level, Meyer played a vital service role in his community over many years, educationally and socially. This is a loss for many people for many reasons. Meyer's enthusiasm and activism will be missed by many people ... travel well my friend!

Even better - how can they keep processing and rejecting suspects on prints ? Unless, there are more prints collected after Reno that have never been revealed so far ?

Prints are a big issue in this case. The FBI has used prints to evaluate suspects endlessly, except we are told the prints collected were of no value! It cant be both. Have value but were of no value! If the prints had no value then every single case of using them, had no value - over and over again endlessly!

You and FJ have such a total grasp of these files - its a pleasure to just come here to read!

Interesting article on Tosaw ::::: UPI Archives Nov. 23, 1982 Former FBI agent claims D.B. Cooper survived his jump By CLYDE JABIN PORTLAND, Ore. -- Legendary skyjacker D.B. Cooper survived his parachuting from a airliner on Thanksgiving Eve 11 years ago but lost the $200,000 ransom in the Columbia River, a former FBI agent says. Richard Tosaw, now a Ceres, Calif., attorney, is backing his theory by paying for a 27-foot boat to drag the river dividing Oregon and Washington near where some of the $20 bills that were part of the loot were found nearly three years ago. 'So far all they have found is inner tubes, tires, household appliances, pieces of trees and other articles,' he said. 'It is going to be interesting if they find anything (from the skyjacking).' Tosaw is hoping boat owner Blake Payne and crewman Bill Sweeney will either find more of the money, the bank money bag or the parachute. Tosaw, 57, who is writing a book on the skyjacking, is making a check on the progress of the search. About $5,800 of the ransom was found Feb. 10, 1980, by Brian Ingram, who now lives in Highland, Calif. Because the money was found along the Columbia, Tosaw figures Cooper came down further south than the area southwest of volcanic Mount St. Helens where the FBI thought he landed. Extensive searches immediately after the Nov. 24, 1971, skyjacking failed to turn up a clue and officials speculated Cooper had died. Tosaw, who was an FBI agent from 1951 to 1955, said he became interested in the crime after part of the loot was found. Since then he has done extensive research -- interviewing the six crew members on the Northwest Airlines Flight 305 that was hijacked on a Portland to Seattle run and other people involved in the case. He also surveyed 100 parachutists on whether they thought Cooper could have survived the jump from the rear door of a Boeing 727. He said 70 percent of those he checked believe the skyjacker could have survived frigid temperatures if he had served in the military as a parachutist, as Tosaw theorizes. 'He was in his early 40s at the time of the skyjacking, which means he would have been at the right age to be in the Korean War, possibly as a Green Beret,' Tosaw said. 'He learned his parachuting somewhere.' The attorney said his view of Cooper as a veteran was also based on the skyjacker's choice of parachutes airline officials provided. He said Cooper took a khaki-colored back chute rather than a 'more comfortable' white civilian chest chute he also was given. In addition, Tosaw said Cooper did not appear to be a 'loner' whose disappearance would not have been noticed. He said he thinks Cooper returned home after jettisoning the heavy money bag loose after landing in the river. 'He had a mother, father, girlfriend or wife who would have reported him missing otherwise,' Tosaw said. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for more UPI news and photos.

It was at Bruce Smith's Mountain News posted by JAG ... word will get out! JAG says: January 3, 2025 at 5:02 pm dropzone is now skydiveforum: https://www.skydiveforum.com/forums/topic/56036-db-cooper/page/2564/ Reply brucesmith49 says: January 3, 2025 at 6:10 pm Good to know. Thanks

e My issue with Tosaw is the issue of "authenticity". He had no formal role or assignment in the Cooper case, just as in he had no formal assignment or role in Kinnick case, but that did not stop him from issuing 'press announcements' and making 'claims' that resulted in a 'issue' for all kinds of people to have to deal with. Having just announced his involvement in the Nile Kinnick case at Iowa City, he then calls the "Daily Iowan", a small inconspicuous university newspaper and announces to the world that he will now involve himself in the DB Cooper case - too! In other words, the Great Investigator "Tosaw" will now SOLVE the DB Cooper case too, his announcement immediately following the discovery of Cooper money at Tena Bar! People reading this at Iowa City laughed and wondered: What is this? Tosaw told the people working for him on the Columbia that he was FBI and being fed the latest information by ....................... the FBI and experts working on the case. Years later Tosaw has nothing to show for his efforts except for a book, and Nile Kinnick's plane is not raised ... and Tosaw's insistence that a piece of Kinnick's plane be mounted as a memorial to Nile Kinnick outside the front door of Kinnick Stadium does not happen in spite of Tosaw's insistence that 'he is expressing the wishes of the Nile Kinnick family! The whole thing is a little bit embarrassing ... thus I have to question Tosaw's authenticity and the accuracy of his information, as a general premise ? Tosaw did find Kinnick's plane in the ocean off Argentina using coordinates recorded in the ship's log, but he had nothing remotely similar (so far as anyone knows) in the Cooper case. Years later he jumped to announce Janet Wink's story even though that disagreed with his own previous 'estimates' about where Cooper had to have jumped sand landed. Time and circumstance has eroded chapters in the full Tosaw story.

Saw JAG's post with new url for this forum - glad it is back!! Thanks.....