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Was the DB Cooper hijacking a Political crime ? Based on the search results provided, there is no indication that the D.B. Cooper hijacking was a political crime. The evidence suggests it was motivated by personal financial gain rather than any political agenda: Cooper demanded $200,000 in ransom money (equivalent to about $1.2 million today), which indicates a financial motive . He did not make any political statements or demands during the hijacking. His interactions were described as polite and businesslike . The FBI investigation, which lasted for decades, did not uncover any political motivations behind the crime . Cooper's actions inspired several copycat crimes in the following years, but these were also financially motivated hijackings rather than political acts . The case is consistently described as a hijacking for personal gain, with Cooper being referred to as a "criminal" rather than a political activist or terrorist . The D.B. Cooper hijacking appears to have been a daring heist motivated by financial gain, which captured public imagination due to its mysterious nature and the fact that Cooper was never identified or caught. The lack of any political demands or statements during or after the incident strongly suggests that this was not a political crime. Q: Did the classification of the crime direct the investigation of the crime and the search for Dan Cooper? Q: Did the investigation ignore Cooper's statement to Tina: "I have a grudge". ?

Could Tom's work have been done by the FBI in 1971 - basically No! The FBI did not have an electron microscope in 1971 when investigating the D.B. Cooper case . This suggests that the adoption of electron microscopy by the FBI came sometime after this date. In more recent times, the FBI has used electron microscopy for forensic analysis of evidence. For example: In the anthrax investigation of 2001 (known as Amerithrax), the FBI utilized both Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM) and Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM) to analyze the anthrax spores used in the attacks . This helped them determine the physical characteristics of the spores, including size, shape, and quality. The FBI collaborated with various laboratories, including Sandia National Laboratories, to examine evidence using electron microscopy. In the anthrax case, they examined over 200 samples using TEM . Electron microscopy has been particularly valuable for the FBI in: Analyzing trace evidence, such as particles found on clothing or other items . Characterizing the composition and structure of suspicious materials . Supporting investigations into potential bioterrorism incidents . The use of electron microscopy by the FBI has evolved over time. Initially, it was likely used for basic imaging and analysis of evidence. However, as the technology advanced, the FBI incorporated more sophisticated techniques such as: Energy-Dispersive X-Ray Microanalysis (EDX) for elemental analysis . High-resolution imaging for detailed structural analysis . The FBI has also recognized the value of citizen scientists using electron microscopy. In the D.B. Cooper case, they allowed citizen sleuths to examine evidence using an electron microscope, which led to new insights about the case . While the exact date of the FBI's first use of an electron microscope is not provided in the search results, it's clear that the technology has become an important tool in their forensic investigations, particularly for analyzing trace evidence and in cases involving potential biological agents. ref: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/when-did-the-fbi-first-use-an-aw9.VQPMQAGQIwbtgndsPA

well ..... we've been through all of this before. There is no evidence for your point of view/contentions. It is all conjecture. Clue ? Maybe the dinosaurs went extinct because of eating hemp and mushrooms? I doubt it but what the hell ............! Anything for a tv program and a book.

The Tena Bar sediment is taken.

sorry .............

Offer - free Tena Bar area sand samples collected by Meyer Louie during several surveying missions, many years ago ... The box consists of 4 bagged sand samples collected at Tena Bar and at the area of the long wing dam north of Tena Bar near the Lewis river outlet on 10-01-2018 If anyone wants these sand samples. Will ship to any interested party cost free - shipping paid. Just PM me with your name and an address. I can also provide all of the emails between Myer and myself that explain these samples and where Meyer collected them. anyone interested?

No. Violates protocols and risks further contamination.

Thanks for the confirmation. OMG. we now have one confirmed fact in the DB Cooper case. Everyone agrees on! A milestone and omen. Tom called today but I missed his call. Will connect later. But he said he is back in Wyoming hard at it. He sounded good...

Congrats! Wow!

A real 1970s Seafirst bank sack, not canvas but cloth, perhaps what Agent Carr posted ?. Available on eBay. It may be easier to see how a cloth bag would tear open vs a canvas bag ? Ckret posted his thought - that the money got to Tena Bar via a snag with debris moving down the Columbia. In that scenario the integrity of the container becomes import: cloth vs canvas. And, it might have been easier to Cooper to since up a cloth bag vs a canvas bag ? I am making these because I think the money discussion is not over, Flyjack, Kaye, Carr, and Ulis notwithstanding. Imho the money issue is an ongoing problem unsolved. Otherewise I might be a madman just spinning off posts for the hell of it. Sometimes I feel this is a fruitless madness with no end in sight. When anyone can tell us how an when the money got to TBar where the Ingrams found it then that will be time to stop! Thanks for your patience!

NEW - OLD - SURPRISE A hellish time-consuming search of Ckret posts about his research on the money turned this up! Sit down for this one. IMPORTANT*** BAG HAD NAME SEAFIRST ON IT! Ckret Apr 24, 2008, 6:35 PM Post #1536 of 10320 (1714 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 522 Re: [maurico] John Collins Commutation Order (from Skyjack) [In reply to] Can't Post New info on the bag, it actually could best be described as a sack (this is a test, I want to see who will run into the ground a debate on the difference between a bag and a sack). It was not canvas but some type of cloth. Have you ever seen cartoons with the bank robber running out of the bank holding a money sack with the dollar sign on it. Thats what it was but it had the SeaFirst name on it. I should have a picture of it in a few days. The attached is a picture of a money sack or bag. (This post was edited by Ckret on Apr 24, 2008, 6:37 PM) Attachments: CB007965.jpg (75.5 KB) Georger replied: So much for Seafirst not wanting Cooper to see where the money was coming from! Why didn't Grinnel mention this ? Somebody go back to Grinnel and ask! Where is the photo of the Seafirst bag Ckret mentions - anyone have it ?

Thanks for bringing your points about rotation back up again! Problems with your theory: (a) cemented bills cant rotate. The bills did not arrive on TBar cemented ? Rotation had to have occurred before the bills were cemented which takes time (b) I actually agree with your analysis, as far as it goes. No constraint on bills in the middle or on the right side of the bundle. So no strap in middle. No band on right side ....... it would appear. (c) When did this rotation happen - many options. Including impact with the ground. Could displacement of bills within bundles have happened on impact of the bag with the ground, having nothing to do with Tena Bar and water pressure? Are there other instances of bills out of alignment in other bundles? Thanks to the Court ruling we dont have any other examples to examine! Brilliant move the Court made. Somebody needs to find the Globe bills! Tom needs more bills or pieces of bills to examine!

What was FJ doing here ? Playing Gotcha ? Trying to destroy Georger's credibility? Why? The money is a forensic problem, not a political Social Issue between forum personalities ! 1. The Ingrams saw no paper bank straps. 2. What does Tina mean by 'bank straps" - nobody will even bother to ask here. 3. Didnt Carr post the bank security man saying paper straps were left off the Cooper money for security reasons? 4. Paper bank straps dissolve like aspirin in water? 5. FBI agents spent time trying to nail this issue down - why? etc etc etc 2. A paper chemist in Escanaba MI chimes in and offers a thought: 'Maybe degraded bank bands were on the money and the Ingrams just didn't recognize them. Maybe the strap remnants got washed away by the Ingrams during their cleaning process? The FBI Lab looked at the money and never mentioned finding any paper strap remnants. Ive never seen Kraft paper paper dissolve instantly when exposed to water or humidity. Why isnt there a document from the FBI or the bank stating clearing how the money was packaged, if this is important? Does flood money sent in to the Treasury Dept Lab still have paper bank straps still intact? ................... 3. Why is there so much invective and hysteria over this tiny issue in the Cooper Vortex? 4. What does the rotational axis in bills Tom found say about the presence or absence of paper straps on the money? Does the rotational axis of these bills suggest there was in fact a bank strap in the middle, vs bands ??? How and when did these bills rotate about a central axis ? Something accounts for the rotational geometry Tom documented below.

I think Cooper always intended to bail exactly where he bailed, he knew 305 was headed south back toward Portland-Vancouver and when he saw the lights of that meto area coming up he knew he was coming up on Portland-Vancouver. That is why Cooper money was found along the shoreline of Vancouver and not near Seattle or Reno or at Minneapolis or New York City! Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar! We may never knew what happened after he bailed. When ideas get started in the vortex, no matter the truth, these ideas are damned near impossible to get rid of regardless of the truth. We dont have Cooper to ask so we ask experts to speak for Cooper. Millions of people now believe Cooper intended to bail at Seattle, and the truth of it is irrelevant! Congrats to the power of the internet . . . They should have brought ex OSS agent Julia Child in to get her recipe about Cooper's intentions ! In addition to cooking, Julia was an expert on repelling sharks and moles and evil doers. Julia would have definitely had an idea about Cooper's 'intentions'.

Back to basics. When the money arrived at TBar is probably associated with the date of the 'upper active' 8" sand layer in which the money was found, as noted by Dr. Palmer. Immediately below that layer was an 8-24" 'cross bedded layer" which represents an earlier and larger slice of time going back to some undetermined date. While samples of these sand layers were not kept for lab analysis, the FBI did take high resolution photos of Palmer's trench and the surrounding area being dug, and Tom got to see those photos in Seattle and apparently copied several of those photos which he shared with me and others ... so Palmer's layers were photographed and documented. Attached is one of those photos Tom shared.with me when I was a part of the team. This photo shows the layers Palmer found and assessed. No core sampling was done at Tena Bar to document the site. So all we really have are these photos and the socalled 'Palmer report' with Palmer explaining his analysis of the site. Tom disagrees with Palmer's 1980 identification of strata. If core samples or sand samples had been kept, isotopic mineral analysis might have provided a date or range of dates perhaps leading to a better estimate of when the Ingram find was buried. But again, sand samples are not kept for testing. But, the FBI photos of the strata taken in Feb 1980, are still available for whatever value they have.

Thanks. Interesting ........... speaks for itself! Thanks for posting this!! First time Im seeing this. wow I also found an AI return that basically gives credit to Ulis for the work TK did. No mention of Tom or McCrone at all. Here I found it again - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.perplexity.ai/search/will-the-db-cooper-case-ever-b-NvFr5EImTPusgotm9FAx4A What methods did Eric Ulis use to analyze the metal fragment Answer Eric Ulis used a few key methods to analyze the metal fragment found on D.B. Cooper's tie: He applied sticky carbon circles to portions of the tie, which pulled off some of the particles when removed. This allowed scientists to extract over 100,000 particles from the tie for analysis Ulis then used modern state-of-the-art technology, not available in 1971, to analyze the particles. This technology was able to "tell a story" about the fragments Specifically, Ulis traced three fragments from the tie to a specific steel manufacturer called Crucible Steel, located in the suburbs of Pittsburgh. He did this by using U.S. patents, about 18 months ago No mention of Tom or McCrone. No mention of Chaucer's experiment which is brand new. This is 50% of the reason Ive been posting these AI returns. To get somebody's opinion about them. The last thing we need is more internet garbage! Thanks for your post.... Im tempted to dump all of this AI material but I hate to do it! There may be no choice...

As much as some people see this as an "impediment" to the Cooper case, after discussing the issue openly with several retired FBI agents, I am moving on to try and address specific issues which have surfaced and are important to the Cooper case. Question: Can diatoms found on the Cooper money be dated to within a ten year period 1970-1980 ? Answer No, diatoms cannot be dated to a specific 10-year period like 1970-1980 using current radiocarbon dating techniques. The search results indicate a few key points: Radiocarbon dating of diatoms provides ages for the overall diatom population in a sediment sample, not the precise year each individual diatom was produced The maximum age resolution that can be achieved with radiocarbon dating is around 60-100 years, depending on the method used . This is much coarser than a 10-year period. Radiocarbon dating has an upper limit of around 60,000 years, with some techniques extending it to 100,000 years . So it could not be used to date diatoms from the recent 1970-1980 period. There can be offsets between the radiocarbon ages of diatoms and other sediment components like foraminifera, likely due to factors like bioturbation and contamination . This further complicates the dating of diatoms to a precise time period. In summary, while radiocarbon dating can provide ages for diatom populations in sediments, the dating resolution is not high enough to pinpoint diatoms to a specific 10-year period like 1970-1980. The search results do not indicate any methods that could achieve such precise dating of individual diatoms. Conclusion: some other method or some other aspect of the money find needs to be identified and tested which might shed light on when the Cooper money arrived at Tena Bar, and how . . .

We were previously told (by experts) that Kraft paper dissolves easily in water. This assertion was accepted without challenge. A paper chemist now challenges that assertion and AI disagrees also. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/has-fast-does-kraft-paper-diso-1BJohcaYT8yBPnx3ILZmkA Kraft paper does not dissolve quickly in water. In fact, kraft paper is known for its strength and water resistance compared to other types of paper . Kraft paper is made using the kraft process, which produces strong paper fibers that are resistant to water absorption. This water resistance is one of the key properties that makes kraft paper suitable for various packaging applications. To enhance the water resistance of kraft paper even further, manufacturers can add polyamide or polyamine resin to the kraft fibers and cure it under heat. This process creates what is known as wet strength kraft paper, which is even more resistant to water. It's worth noting that while kraft paper is water-resistant, it is not completely waterproof. The rate at which it absorbs water can vary depending on the specific type of kraft paper and any additional treatments it may have undergone. For instance, recycled board may absorb water significantly faster than kraft paper . If you're looking for a paper that dissolves quickly in water, kraft paper would not be the appropriate choice due to its inherent water-resistant properties. Do bank straps dissolve in water? Bank straps made of kraft paper do not dissolve quickly in water. Here's why: Material: Bank straps are typically made of kraft paper, which is known for its strength and water resistance Durability: Kraft paper is designed to be sturdy and hold up well under various conditions, including some exposure to moisture Purpose: The straps are meant to securely hold bundles of currency, so they need to maintain their integrity even in slightly damp conditions Composition: Some bank straps are made of high-quality 50# white kraft paper, which further enhances their durability Water-resistant properties: Kraft paper, in general, has water-resistant qualities that make it suitable for packaging and other applications where moisture resistance is important. Adhesive: Many bank straps feature a pressure-sensitive adhesive, which may provide additional water resistance While kraft paper bank straps are not designed to dissolve in water, they are still environmentally friendly. They are often made of recyclable materials and can be safely shredded along with currency when necessary, unlike rubber bands This combination of durability and eco-friendliness makes kraft paper an ideal material for bank straps. How long does it take for kraft paper bank straps to disintegrate in water Based on the search results provided, there is no specific information about how long it takes for kraft paper bank straps to disintegrate in water. However, we can infer some relevant points: Kraft paper, in general, is known for its strength and water resistance. This suggests that kraft paper bank straps would not disintegrate quickly in water. The study on water-dispersible paper for packaging applications indicates that even papers designed to disintegrate in water require specific conditions and time to break down. For example, their disintegration test involved stirring times of 5-20 minutes, depending on the paper type Factors affecting paper dispersibility in water include lignin content, refining, and starch dosage. Bank straps, being designed for durability, likely have properties that enhance water resistance rather than promote quick disintegratio Water-activated tapes, which are also often made of kraft paper, require water to activate their adhesive properties but are not designed to disintegrate quickly in water Bank straps are typically made of recyclable natural brown kraft paper and are designed to be a durable substitute for rubber bands Given these points, it's reasonable to conclude that kraft paper bank straps would not disintegrate quickly in water. They are likely to maintain their integrity for an extended period when exposed to water, possibly hours or even days, depending on the specific composition and treatment of the paper. However, without specific testing on bank straps, it's not possible to provide an exact timeframe for their disintegration in water.

When the FBI chose the word "intact" to describe the Ingram rubber bands, that was probably the worst most misleading term they could have chosen, destined to plague and mislead matters to the bitter end. The media has compounded the error to this very day because: in no sense were these rubber bands "intact" ! Intact: remaining uninjured, sound, or whole not altered, broken, or impaired; remaining uninjured, sound, or whole; untouched; unblemished: The vase remained intact despite rough handling. not changed or diminished; not influenced or swayed: Despite misfortune, his faith is still intact. Medical Definition: physically and functionally complete. It all relates to the history of the found money and its journey to Tena Bar. Moreover, it relates to the history of the 'bank straps' FJ and others insist were on the bundles of bills, if they were ever there at all, based on how the money felt between some guy's legs ? And none of it survived to be examined, apparently, by anyone except briefly by the Ingrams as they picked band fragments off trying to make the money presentable for redemption at a bank! Its a curse that refuses to go away! I wonder if our Simian ancestors will have dispensed with this term 'intact' when discussing the case in 5024 ? The best that can be said is there were 'remnants' of rubber bands still on the found money with no hint of bank straps some claim was on the money. Because as we all know, bank straps vanish in the presence of the Lord!

This would blow things wide open. Its always been there hovering ............................ But like everything else in this case its fully of problems. When all is said and done the most direct route to Cooper is his dna and prints. Where could Cooper have picked up or manufactured such a rare combination of particles perhaps by accident ?

I picked up on your comment about 'intelligent people with blind spots', especially in the heat of passion. Interesting observation - - -

Each to his own. I came to this because of family connections in WA. Later by pure chance I wound up with several connections to the Unabomber case. Forensics has always peaked my interest. I have no personal stake in the Cooper case. The money find is curious to me; likewise Tom's particles on Cooper's tie, if it is his tie. I think a workplace epidemiologist would be intrigued by the cocktail on Cooper's tie, to put it mildly.

What if the tie is a prop, like the bomb. Everything staged. An artifice. Then you might look for someone good at stage crafting vs the high tech industry ? Someone with a grudge against the government or those governing at the time. Did McNally have an opinion about this?

Of course. DB Cooper excluded!

I am going to make this as clear as possible - Once again. I am appealing to attorney Galen Cook and/or Bruce Smith (if he knows),. to document Cook's claim that Cooper money was found at Tena Bar PRIOR to the Ingram find. Some sleuths claim to know all about this!? We need to put this claim to rest once and for all. We need to clear the table of a lot of "claims" spread in the Cooper vortex over the years. This claim by Cook is one of those. The Ingram find itself indicates that money had been at Tena Bar for some time, days to years, at the very least. Different people have different claims about just how long Cooper money was in place at Tena Bar prior to the Ingram find. Tom's diatoms do not provide an answer because those diatoms cannot be dated, apparently. Anything that provides evidence about how long Cooper money was in place at Tena Bar, would be helpful and may be crucial. Or, if anyone knows about any forensic technique that could be employed to determine when the money arrived at Tena Bar, please come forward. *Work the problem folks and stop all of the social-media bullshit.