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If Geivett thinks KC is DB Cooper - Geivett is also claiming McCoy knew KC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xPQ8NtDwU A post by Geivett at youtube 2 weeks ago below Paul Geivett 2 weeks ago He was one of the top 6 suspects and its not gosset or mc coy but mc coy did know db cooper cooper lost 60,000 of the money but was found and 6000 was placed on beach for brian I to find on purpose woahhhh!

OK Bruce thanks. Will be anxious to read it.

Quote He's bringing up an old controversy between the Ingrams. He is referring to Crystal Ingram and Crystal's daughter Denise (age five at the time) who were present with Harold and Patricia and Brian, when Brian allegedly found the money. Crystal put in a claim in behalf of her daughter Denise and met with the FBI on Feb 13th 1980 at the Portland office, and relayed her own version of how the money was found. (and other matters). He apparently is alleging that Brian has now admitted, quote "on purpose that day for me to find on purpose unquote." which would be brand NEW! This may come as a shock to Brian and his mother who is still alive! It may come as a shock to Brian who according to this guy has now admitted to being a part of a conspiracy ... devoted Christianity notwithstanding or possibly because of? Brian doesnt usually talk to strangers about such personal matters! And of course people have talked to Brian and his mother about this, many times. Brian knows where the canvas bag was found? That is also brand NEW! He knows who put the money on Tina Bar _ for Brian to find! Who lead Brian to the exact spot to "dig to build a fire" ? Who put the the others fragments on the beach? Who put the "fragments at three feet"? Who put the money for Cook's subjects to find months before the Brian find? Who, in consort with God, put the river water sediments in between the bills to make it look like a completely natural in-situ deposit - which would meet all forensic tests for a specimen which had been buried on a beach for a long time! ? I'm just beginning. This could get technical and reveal many secrets! Where is this guy getting this information and from who - Larry Carr or some other agent(s) ? from Brian ? Jerry Thomas? Tom Kaye? Sheknee Canoe esq? It appears to be 'bits and pieces' some solid info, some pure speculation, ... After all: he lives in clark county where it all went down. Whoopie Doo!

Jo, Don't you think that is a biased overstatement? 377 PS: I really liked Meyer Louie's and Robert 99's Tena Bar site visit. Finally a break in personal attacks and a return to real feet on the ground investigation. How refreshing and uplifting. Nice public stance. Can I link your email address to my LinkedIn account for ads?

For example, how long could the money have existed in the state it was found, assuming that Cooper was killed and that's how the money ended up there somehow? Nine years between hijacking and money find. Kaye and his folks say no way on that, from their analysis of the remaining bills. Kaye even tells Geoff Gray for his book that he believes the money arrived at Tina Bar by 'non-natural means'. Quote Myths vs Facts: Kaye's assertion of arrival by non-natural means has nothing to do with his analysis of the bills as you assert. On his website Kaye does make an association between the 'time of arrival' he thinks the money arrived at Tina Bar and a 'deterioration timeline for the rubber bands' he has constructed, but he does not use that to support a theory of 'arrival by non natural means'. Tom's only support for 'arrived by non natural means' is the flight path. That has nothing to with his analysis of the bills. You can read that here http://www.citizensleuths.com/flightpath.html under MoneyFind/Flight Path Analysis. So I don't know where you are getting 'Kaye says non natural means from his analysis of the remaining bills'. That doesn't exist! It's a conclusion you or Gray made. On a personal note* Your use of my email address on your LinkedIn account has been terminated. You are NOT entitled to use my email address for any purpose. IS THAT CLEAR! ? Who else's private email addresses from Dropzone users are you using for your private use?

*The possibility of three bundles of the ransom being found at Tina Bar is a myth? *But what IS known is the amount found on the river. And that amount adds up to MORE than a single bundle. This was my point when I questioned the idea of the money just washing up there, Quote Both of yours stared above are False. The myth covered by Sluggo is that Cooper offered 3 bundles to Tina then stuff 3 bundles in his coat pocket. Read Sluggo's statement below, again. Maybe you will get this right next time? Your second myth: The actual amount recovered by Ingram, the actual number of bills, has never been ascertained to my knowledge. A full and final accounting of serial numbers identified has never been published by the FBI, if it exists at all! Ingram and I and others discussed this at length... because its rather important to know the number of deposits, their locations, the amounts involved, in order to extrapolate back to how much money might have been at Tina by some date certain, by some means. Again you need to go back and read the Thread. It came as a surprise to Brian when he sent his money to the auction company, a restorationist at the auction company noticed small fragments of serial numbers previously missed by the FBI. Those serial numbers matched serial numbers from the FBI's original list but not previously evident in the Ingram bills. Very likely the insurance company's bills would reveal new serial numbers, or parts of previously unoticed serial numbers also. $5800 is only one lowball estimate of the Ingram find. Obviously it was more than $5800. Further fragments were lost at the Ingram apartment during the cleaning process. Further fragments and goo containing decomposed money was found at Tina Bar. The Galen Cook discovery adds still more to the count. And there are other accounts of money fragments which are still unresolved. So contrary to your uninformed claim, the actual amount that was "found" at Tina Bar is not known ... only a ballpark estimate is know and that estimate is something in excess of $5800 and 3 bundles, it is thought. All $5800 establishes is a static point in time in which money was decomposing and natural forces were working, at which point Brian Ingram intervened to stop the natural process in February of 1980. To my knowledge, Tom Kaye and you are the only persons to ever suggest that the money at Tina Bar was something other than the result of a natural process. Since the money came to Earth in 1971, we presume, the money was part of the natural environment and natural processes from Nov 24th 1971, until some it is found at Tina Bar in 1980. If this is true, then the $5800 socalled at Tina Bar was the net result of natural forces from the time it separated from Cooper. And if it is more than $5800 then we are talking about a larger (set of natural forces) at work over time probably connecting different geography. Even Palmer thought the money had arrived on Tina Bar by natural means from somewhere but had a prior natural history. Yours is simply an uninformed speculation you use, as Sluggo politely tried to point out. ~~~ Porteous: Stewardess Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, and that she refused it. Does anyone know whether he secured the money back into the money bag, or did he put it somewhere else after she refused it? Walker: First, I’m not really sure it was offered to Mucklow alone. It may have been offered to all three cabin attendants or to Mucklow and Schaffner together (Alice Hancock probably was already off the plane). The bag was open (it had no zipper or other method of closure) and he had not yet sealed it with parachute cord or attached to his body. Therefore, I can’t imagine why he would put the money anywhere other than back into the bag it came from. Porteous: Along that same line, do you think these packets could be the same three packets that were found on the river in Vancouver, Washington in 1980? Walker: I don’t see any evidence to support that theory. To make that assumption would be pure (unsupported) speculation.

Sluggo This doesn't sound like a guy who was pissed off because his interview didn't make the book, does it? And as I said, Sluggo's website is linked on our own pages as the best source of solid info on the Cooper case. You are WAY off base and the pitcher picked you off easily. In fact, Sluggo is first in line where we point out resources people should consult. Here's his entry at AB: Quote Sluggo pissed off? Thats an emotion. You mind meld with Sluggo? Another straw man. I didnt say he was pissed off. Another straw man. I dont have the faintest idea what his emotions were. For all your vaunting of Sluggo's expertise and linking his wesbite none of it sunk it with you personally. You have been citing 3-bundles and other MYTHS and defending them vociferously for three years. Thats not a straw man but a FACT. Gayla did the editing! What makes her a Cooper expert? Is she? Im glad you keep mentioning Gayla. Ive said all along yours is a joint venture here on Dropzone. Now we know she edited a Cooper book, for content! Point is: its the CONTENT of Sluggo's interview that matters. Goes to FACTS vs MYTH in the Cooper case vs. the myths you have been arguing/promoting for three years bashing everyone over the head with it ........ ALL BECAUSE YOU AGREE WITH SLUGGO AND THINK HE'S THE BEST RELIABLE SOURCE ON COOPER GOING! Did you know we discussed bringing Sluggo on board with the Science Team? Tell us about that since you know all - And we havent even touched on the Flight Path and other central issues. Maybe your and Gayla's BOOK colored everything and did not dispose you to looking for facts vs myths or doing any real research? But I dont have to defend Sluggo. Sluggo is more than competent to defend himself! Sluggo would judge this (and me) to be a total waste of time. Sluggos' concern is facts vs myths and the consequences myth generates in the public's mind. And the historical role of myth in the Cooper saga, beginning with law enforcement people ... Meanwhile money settled in at Tina Bar, for better or for worse. So far its all been for the worse! Maybe if we can clear enough myth makers out of the way, some facts might emerge? What do you think - Gayla ?

Nope - enough time wasted on you - read your Sluggo interview. Or get it from somebody else. Then claim it as your own. *You were told to read the thread many times, early. You might want to go back and read the thread. It's all there prior to you and 2010. From me and others.

Geez...who got up on the wrong side of the bed? Quote Beds has nothing to do with your use of MYTHS over FACTS. You and Porteous HAD Sluggo's interview and instead of sharing it with anyone, chose to concel it, until Sluggo published it himself... then you surfaced with excuses/reasons. You always resort to something "personal". Geestman is a liar you say - and explode over! You even include "That Woman - the harlot of Begonia"! Your whole PERSONAL MYTH FACTORY is down the toilet. Three years wasted for your benefit. That is the true story of your Cooperland ... write it up. Please FLUSH!

Quote The point is: Sluggo says, "3 bundles of money" is myth, and not fact. 3 bundles of money never existed! I will explain why this matters. (Blevins and to some extent Tom Kaye have been using the myth of 3 bundles of money for years ignoring and dissmissing all pleas to STOP! 3 bundles of money is Blevinstown Kool Aid gospel.) Porteous and Sluggo say: Porteous: Stewardess Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, and that she refused it. Does anyone know whether he secured the money back into the money bag, or did he put it somewhere else after she refused it? Walker: First, I’m not really sure it was offered to Mucklow alone. It may have been offered to all three cabin attendants or to Mucklow and Schaffner together (Alice Hancock probably was already off the plane). The bag was open (it had no zipper or other method of closure) and he had not yet sealed it with parachute cord or attached to his body. Therefore, I can’t imagine why he would put the money anywhere other than back into the bag it came from. Porteous: Along that same line, do you think these packets could be the same three packets that were found on the river in Vancouver, Washington in 1980? Walker: I don’t see any evidence to support that theory. To make that assumption would be pure (unsupported) speculation. So, fact or MYTH ? 1: Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, [Did Tina specify three packets? Where is this socalled tesimony documented? All Tina said was that he Cooper was fondling the money in the bag and brought up "a group of money and took some" and offered it to her and Schaffner. Schaffner declined and Tina replied: 'We arent allowed to take tips'! Nowhere in this is three bundles or packets of money even mentioned!] 2: Cooper put the three bundles/packets into his coat pocket. [There is no testimony which says or even implies that - there is no testimony about this at all!] 3: The 3 bundles offered Tina is the same 3 bundles found at Tina Bar. [There is no tesimony 3 bundles were offered Tina. There is no evidence only 3 bundles were in situ at Tina Bar. There is multiple evidence more than 3 bundles were in situ at Tina Bar and after testing Ingram's portion alone turned out to be more than originally thought or alloted. Everyone including Ingram believes money was on top of what Ingram found and had been eroded and swept away prior to Ingram making his find. And the testimony of every single witness supports that conclusion, to one extent or another!] Why is this important? Because MYTHS lead to one set of conclusions. FACTS lead to another set of conclusions. The facts don't support the Kaye-Blevins conclusion that the Ingram find represents 3 bundles of money supposedly offered Tina then stuffed into Cooper's pocket, which he lost somewhere on the way down or he buried at Tina Bar! The facts support an alluvial-erosion story: the idea that more than $5800 represents the actual amount in the Ingram find, something more than 3 bundles were in residence on Tina Bar prior to the Ingram find, and given the very active nature of Tina Bar (erosion and flood events etc) that much more than $5800 was originally on Tina Bar, of which the Ingram and other finds represent survivors ... not the original deposit(s). The facts support a multiple deposit and erosion sequence which supports natural forces being responsible for the total deposit(s) in the first place. That is the POINT!, Mr. Blevins. FACTS vs MYTHS. Truth vs Myth. Are we here to research DB Cooper or worship your quick comeback personality as MYTH?

Quote Well Bobert, I dont care what you want or think. As I keep saying (but you're not listening!) ... the Sluggo Interview is important and stands on it's own. Sluggo's interview with Porteous is NOT ABOUT YOU! So you can hang out a flag, make tortillas, smoke a joint, hoist iron lawn chairs over your head, or milk a goat ... so far as I care. NEW post on Sluggo Interview coming up whether you like/want it or not! This thread is about RobertMBlevins ... ooops ... I mean DB Cooper!

Exploring Tina Bar with Robert99 on Friday, July 26, 2013 Meyer Louie July 27, 2013 (Pix to come - BAS, or visit the MN.)Quote Very nice Meyer, R99, and Bruce. Is there a photo of the exact location of the money find mentioned in the article ? Where you drove a stake? Would love to see a photos of that ... then photos from that money find location in all directions ? Thanks for a very nice article - wish I had been there! What is the canvas strap from? Lastly: Does R99 have an estimate of the amount of beach loss between Dec 1971 - 1974 dredging and between 1974 dredging and money find in Feb 1980? Did you ask the fisherman? Am I to understand everything above the money find is pretty much the same as it was in 1980 ... 1971 ... according to the fisherman ? We need photos of that area and photos from that area looking back toward the sand operation and Catapillar Island ... ?

You have to remember that it wasn't Lyle who actually checked out KC. It was Porteous and the gang and yours truly. Not Lyle. He only has a very small part in the book.Quote You omit Gray and the F.B.I. ! The BIG DEAL about Sluggo's interview is: #1. He's a longtime researcher in the Cooper matter who has done tons of high quality research, interviewed more people than you probably know, ... and has been a 'fundamental force' in the Cooper comminity for generations! He raises for very import central questions, which are important and central ... to this very hour. That is no exaggeration. He expresses his concrete opinions or conclusions which are important for any other Cooper researcher/reader to know. THAT is the BIG DEAL. And so, here it is the Interview this Porteous again: Quote Sluggo_Monster Registered: Jan 24, 2008 Posts: 912 Oct 21, 2010, 3:08 AM Post #18859 of 45318 (6252 views) Interview with W. Wayne Walker by Mr. Porteous Mr Walker, a resident of Ashford, Alabama, runs the most comprehensive research site on the D.B. Cooper case, and has been investigating the hijacking of Flight 305 since 1975. Porteous: I guess I’ll start with a very basic question. One of the biggest debates going on Cooper is whether or not he survived the jump. Do you believe he did? Walker: I’m not a skydiver, so, I have to rely on what I hear from those who are. The chute he used was slightly modified and would have been what the skydivers call “a hard pull.” The chute he selected was a very reliable emergency-type chute. Therefore, the skydivers believe if he pulled… he survived (the terrain wasn’t as big a factor as generally believed). Also, Ms. Mucklow testified that he donned the chute like he had done it many times. Those two issues taken together make me believe that he probably survived. He may have been injured, but not seriously. Porteous: Stewardess Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, and that she refused it. Does anyone know whether he secured the money back into the money bag, or did he put it somewhere else after she refused it? Walker: First, I’m not really sure it was offered to Mucklow alone. It may have been offered to all three cabin attendants or to Mucklow and Schaffner together (Alice Hancock probably was already off the plane). The bag was open (it had no zipper or other method of closure) and he had not yet sealed it with parachute cord or attached to his body. Therefore, I can’t imagine why he would put the money anywhere other than back into the bag it came from. Porteous: Along that same line, do you think these packets could be the same three packets that were found on the river in Vancouver, Washington in 1980? Walker: I don’t see any evidence to support that theory. To make that assumption would be pure (unsupported) speculation. Porteous: Is there any evidence to suggest that Cooper actually directed a flight plan to the crew beyond ‘we’re going to Mexico City’ and then later just agreeing to try for Reno? Walker: Well, here you have hit a “Sluggo Hot Button!” Early in the investigation there was a belief that Cooper was very knowledgeable about aviation. Then later, it was assumed (by the FBI) that he just had some tangential knowledge. I believe he was VERY familiar with aviation (generally) and the B-727-51 (specifically). I also believe he had studied the navigation charts (FAA Sectional Charts) and chose V-23 as the route he wanted the pilots to use. He did not specify Victor-23, but the things he did specify, made Victor-23 the only viable route southeast. This is a very complex issue, and I can go on for hours discussing it but, for simplicity sake, the best example of what I mean is that he ordered “gear down.” Gear down doesn’t make the plane fly slower, make the door (stairs) open wider, or make the jump safer. The only thing it does is increase fuel burn rate, hence eliminating other routes south. Porteous: The F.B.I. has backed off from their initial theory that Cooper was either a paratrooper, or at least familiar with skydiving. What do you think? Walker: I believe he had some familiarity with skydiving. Most likely it was military experience as a pilot, crew member, or loadmaster (kicker) in a military situation. Remember, when I say “military,” I’m not limiting it to the US Military, he was most likely Canadian. Porteous: It’s been listed in most reports that Cooper said: ‘Looks like Tacoma (Washington) down there.’ At what exact point in the flight did he supposedly say this? Walker: This is the most “over-quoted” and “under-meaningful” testimony in the NORJAK case. This event occurred prior to landing at Seattle. The plane was orbiting (in a holding pattern) out over the Puget Sound (from 15 to 20 nautical miles out). They were at 6,000 ft. MSL, on the 307-degree radial of the SEA VORTAC, out to the LOFAL intersection. The weather was scattered clouds at about 5,000 ft. MSL. They were flying a racetrack-like pattern. On each orbit, Cooper would have seen lights out the starboard (right-hand) windows for about two-minutes (as they turned at the south-most end of the loop). Anyone who knew that they were holding over the Puget Sound would know those lights were the Seattle-Tacoma area. In fact, what he probably saw was Seattle, not Tacoma. Porteous: There have been some minor disputes about how many parachutes were left behind on Flight 305 by Cooper, and which ones he took with him. What do you know about this? Walker: I’m not aware of a dispute. Sources in the FBI have clearly identified that the two chutes remaining on the plane were the “Sport Chute” and the workable reserve (opened and with some shock-cord removed). The two parachutes that were missing were the NB-8 (military-style emergency) and the dummy (training) reserve. Remember, there were no D-Rings on the NB-8 to attach a reserve. Porteous: Robert Blevins and I were able to verify that Christiansen made two major cash purchases between the date of the hijacking and seven months later in July of 1972. One was a $5,000 cash loan to the sister of a man Christiansen had known and worked with for years. The other was a cash purchase of a house and lot in Bonney Lake, Washington that totaled $17,500. Just prior to the hijacking, Christiansen was taking home about $512 a month, had little in the bank, and lived in a very cheap apartment. Do these things, in your opinion, make him a stronger suspect? Walker: No! Every flim-flam man, drug dealer, prostitute, thief, spy, and/or burgler makes purchases that their legal income doesn’t support. If there is other evidence that Christiansen was Cooper, then these purchases (beyond his apparent income) would corroborate the assumptions. But, as a stand-alone issue, they don’t mean much. Porteous: Any other thoughts on the case you’d like to add? Walker: Well, just a cautionary word to all authors, journalist, and researchers. This case has accumulated a mythology that is broader and stronger than the reality. Most of the published “facts” are born from this mythology (and therefore, aren’t facts at all). Initially the myths were propagated by law enforcement’s (LE) lack of candor when releasing public information. Then at the same time LE started “opening-up” to the public, the internet brought its “Cut-and-paste without any critical thinking” culture into the investigation. Finding irrefutable sources almost 40-years after the event is nearly impossible.

Stop playing the mind games, Blevins. Talked to Gray this morning (again) and the matter is settled. Guess you will have to make up or find more falsehoods to spread on your audience - the "Wager Earner Sheeple". That was your phrase - correct? Or are you "sheepeling" out of that one too!? Item No.2: It's not MY STUFF you are refusing to quote or discuss but Sluggo's stuff! Today you have the same sneaky attitude you had back when you came and overwhelmed this Thread in 2010 ... refusing or deliberately avoiding to post anything of a 'controversial negative nature' or anyone else's work that had real merit - yes? Not just you but this Gayla too, at socalled Adventure Books of Seattle. You blamed her (she blamed you?) - whatever who cares! You went to the trouble of interviewing Sluggo then you tucked his interview away when it wasn't favorable. Porteous interviews Sluggo with some rather intelligent questions and you don't even post the interview here AFTER the interview is pulled from your book, by Gayla or you, AFTER one of the more imminent researchers inthe DB Cooper case said a few unfavorable things or disagreed withsome of your key points! So at length - SLUGGO HAS TO POST HIS OWN INTERVIEW FOR HIMSELF HERE - OR THE WORLD WOULDNT EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED! So allow me to post the vital parts again - you don't want shown! Just like you don't want the Simmons interview with Lyle shown and claimed it didn't even exist .. while also claiming I am feeble minded, making personal attacks, and a liar ! Here it is - verbatum: Quote Sluggo_Monster Registered: Jan 24, 2008 Posts: 912 Oct 21, 2010, 3:08 AM Post #18859 of 45318 (6252 views) Interview with W. Wayne Walker by Mr. Porteous: Mr Walker, a resident of Ashford, Alabama, runs the most comprehensive research site on the D.B. Cooper case, and has been investigating the hijacking of Flight 305 since 1975. Porteous: I guess I’ll start with a very basic question. One of the biggest debates going on Cooper is whether or not he survived the jump. Do you believe he did? Walker: I’m not a skydiver, so, I have to rely on what I hear from those who are. The chute he used was slightly modified and would have been what the skydivers call “a hard pull.” The chute he selected was a very reliable emergency-type chute. Therefore, the skydivers believe if he pulled… he survived (the terrain wasn’t as big a factor as generally believed). Also, Ms. Mucklow testified that he donned the chute like he had done it many times. Those two issues taken together make me believe that he probably survived. He may have been injured, but not seriously. Porteous: Stewardess Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, and that she refused it. Does anyone know whether he secured the money back into the money bag, or did he put it somewhere else after she refused it? Walker: First, I’m not really sure it was offered to Mucklow alone. It may have been offered to all three cabin attendants or to Mucklow and Schaffner together (Alice Hancock probably was already off the plane). The bag was open (it had no zipper or other method of closure) and he had not yet sealed it with parachute cord or attached to his body. Therefore, I can’t imagine why he would put the money anywhere other than back into the bag it came from. Porteous: Along that same line, do you think these packets could be the same three packets that were found on the river in Vancouver, Washington in 1980? Walker: I don’t see any evidence to support that theory. To make that assumption would be pure (unsupported) speculation. Porteous: Is there any evidence to suggest that Cooper actually directed a flight plan to the crew beyond ‘we’re going to Mexico City’ and then later just agreeing to try for Reno? Walker: Well, here you have hit a “Sluggo Hot Button!” Early in the investigation there was a belief that Cooper was very knowledgeable about aviation. Then later, it was assumed (by the FBI) that he just had some tangential knowledge. I believe he was VERY familiar with aviation (generally) and the B-727-51 (specifically). I also believe he had studied the navigation charts (FAA Sectional Charts) and chose V-23 as the route he wanted the pilots to use. He did not specify Victor-23, but the things he did specify, made Victor-23 the only viable route southeast. This is a very complex issue, and I can go on for hours discussing it but, for simplicity sake, the best example of what I mean is that he ordered “gear down.” Gear down doesn’t make the plane fly slower, make the door (stairs) open wider, or make the jump safer. The only thing it does is increase fuel burn rate, hence eliminating other routes south. Porteous: The F.B.I. has backed off from their initial theory that Cooper was either a paratrooper, or at least familiar with skydiving. What do you think? Walker: I believe he had some familiarity with skydiving. Most likely it was military experience as a pilot, crew member, or loadmaster (kicker) in a military situation. Remember, when I say “military,” I’m not limiting it to the US Military, he was most likely Canadian. Porteous: It’s been listed in most reports that Cooper said: ‘Looks like Tacoma (Washington) down there.’ At what exact point in the flight did he supposedly say this? Walker: This is the most “over-quoted” and “under-meaningful” testimony in the NORJAK case. This event occurred prior to landing at Seattle. The plane was orbiting (in a holding pattern) out over the Puget Sound (from 15 to 20 nautical miles out). They were at 6,000 ft. MSL, on the 307-degree radial of the SEA VORTAC, out to the LOFAL intersection. The weather was scattered clouds at about 5,000 ft. MSL. They were flying a racetrack-like pattern. On each orbit, Cooper would have seen lights out the starboard (right-hand) windows for about two-minutes (as they turned at the south-most end of the loop). Anyone who knew that they were holding over the Puget Sound would know those lights were the Seattle-Tacoma area. In fact, what he probably saw was Seattle, not Tacoma. Porteous: There have been some minor disputes about how many parachutes were left behind on Flight 305 by Cooper, and which ones he took with him. What do you know about this? Walker: I’m not aware of a dispute. Sources in the FBI have clearly identified that the two chutes remaining on the plane were the “Sport Chute” and the workable reserve (opened and with some shock-cord removed). The two parachutes that were missing were the NB-8 (military-style emergency) and the dummy (training) reserve. Remember, there were no D-Rings on the NB-8 to attach a reserve. Porteous: Robert Blevins and I were able to verify that Christiansen made two major cash purchases between the date of the hijacking and seven months later in July of 1972. One was a $5,000 cash loan to the sister of a man Christiansen had known and worked with for years. The other was a cash purchase of a house and lot in Bonney Lake, Washington that totaled $17,500. Just prior to the hijacking, Christiansen was taking home about $512 a month, had little in the bank, and lived in a very cheap apartment. Do these things, in your opinion, make him a stronger suspect? Walker: No! Every flim-flam man, drug dealer, prostitute, thief, spy, and/or burgler makes purchases that their legal income doesn’t support. If there is other evidence that Christiansen was Cooper, then these purchases (beyond his apparent income) would corroborate the assumptions. But, as a stand-alone issue, they don’t mean much. Porteous: Any other thoughts on the case you’d like to add? Walker: Well, just a cautionary word to all authors, journalist, and researchers. This case has accumulated a mythology that is broader and stronger than the reality. Most of the published “facts” are born from this mythology (and therefore, aren’t facts at all). Initially the myths were propagated by law enforcement’s (LE) lack of candor when releasing public information. Then at the same time LE started “opening-up” to the public, the internet brought its “Cut-and-paste without any critical thinking” culture into the investigation. Finding irrefutable sources almost 40-years after the event is nearly impossible.

Quote You make my point. We need to get away from idle speculations and back to the DB Cooper case - something Sluggo is an expert on with a valid point of view based on rather deep technical knowledge of the basic issues at stake ... versus ... The Guyana Kool Aid Book Writer's Shuffle you have been peddling here, which you have amply demonstrated has no veracity whatever! You might as well have been peddling "10 Ways to See Jesus!" for three years. What is interesting about your particular brand of Hypocriscy is your Golden Rule - Rule #1 - Do unto to others before they do unto you. Rule #2 - Everyone else is held to the highest standards when and where I alone chose to envoke it: You are held to the lowest standards or no standards at all, so anything goes. Methods of Implementation - avoidance, change the subject, redirection, strawman arguements built on nothing, suspension of the laws of Nature, reliance and repitition of false and/or incomplete negative facts published by others, monitor thread 24/7 in order to execute counter measures immediately . . . coin terms like "Wage Earner Sheeple" and give them what they deserve. Ask for advice then attack the advice giver. Always assume a "central position: (We are superior, period). Your title advertised "The True Story of DB Cooper". The latest sycophant name droper who has scrawled his 'legal rights' on the face of civilisation claiming to have solved the DB Cooper mystery and have RIGHTS!, apparently has a Propeller Theory and singularly perfect Proof too! Into the vacuum many shall pour. Too bad they can't add 1+1 and get two, and must suspend Physics or claim Devine Intervention by way of an attorney ... to get their way! Isn't "getting their way" what it's all really about, in the first place? You missed the point again Blevins. ! The point of my reposting Sluggo is about Sluggo and the DB Cooper facts at stake. Not about YOU! This song was not about YOU! It was DB Cooper old enough to be your father who hijacked an airplane - not RobertMBlevins! It is DB Cooper who has (or had) the facts of the case - not RobertMBlevins esq ! Should the world research RobertMBlevins to get to the bottom of the DB Copoper case? You don't get to decide! We will decide and make the rules. This song is not ABOUT you, nor is it YOU! The song is about D.B. Cooper. Sluggo makes that clear! Fuck off.

no audio, which is just as well ... This guy sure looks familiar? Isnt this one of the DECODED guys - ie. the 'sure could be!' trap door attic ceiling sleuth in the DECODED feature on KC, who wonders if the Washington Monument could be a left over movie prop from "2001" ? "Sure could be! Let's examine it more closely. We have time." New question: Does Paul Geivett know Geestman? Has Geivett interviewed Geestman and "That Woman", plus Prarie Rose Sally and Iditarod Mary, not to mention Mr and Mrs Wage Earner Sheeple ? Or, if you guys want to stop screwing around and stop drinking Blevins and Geivett Kool Aid, and get out of Guyana while the getting is good, and back to Middle Earth and DB Cooper basics: here are some basics as described by nobody less than Sluggo, way back in 2010! Kind of shows you in real terms where this thread has gone since the Guyana Book Sellers Club showed up, in 2010 peddling a book & Wisadom for Mankind, hoisting iron lawn furniture with one hand in barely snowing faux storms to display their superiority to "Wage Earner Sheeple" - and all ! Quote Sluggo_Monster PM Friend Registered: Jan 24, 2008 Posts: 912 Oct 21, 2010, 3:08 AM Post #18859 of 45318 (6252 views) Shortcut Let's get that thing out here so I can see it [In reply to] Quote | Reply ________________________________________ RobertMBlevins said: Quote: Gayla Prociv, the CEO for Adventure Books, made the decision to decline on your interview within five minutes of seeing your responses. She said you either didn't answer some of the questions or you said others weren't important. She also mentioned something about a preaching tirade you went on that was completely unexpected. I will have to look at your answers again to see what she meant. Okay, that’s fair enough, let’s see what she objected to: Interview with W. Wayne Walker Mr Walker, a resident of Ashford, Alabama, runs the most comprehensive research site on the D.B. Cooper case, and has been investigating the hijacking of Flight 305 since 1975. Porteous: I guess I’ll start with a very basic question. One of the biggest debates going on Cooper is whether or not he survived the jump. Do you believe he did? Walker: I’m not a skydiver, so, I have to rely on what I hear from those who are. The chute he used was slightly modified and would have been what the skydivers call “a hard pull.” The chute he selected was a very reliable emergency-type chute. Therefore, the skydivers believe if he pulled… he survived (the terrain wasn’t as big a factor as generally believed). Also, Ms. Mucklow testified that he donned the chute like he had done it many times. Those two issues taken together make me believe that he probably survived. He may have been injured, but not seriously. Porteous: Stewardess Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, and that she refused it. Does anyone know whether he secured the money back into the money bag, or did he put it somewhere else after she refused it? Walker: First, I’m not really sure it was offered to Mucklow alone. It may have been offered to all three cabin attendants or to Mucklow and Schaffner together (Alice Hancock probably was already off the plane). The bag was open (it had no zipper or other method of closure) and he had not yet sealed it with parachute cord or attached to his body. Therefore, I can’t imagine why he would put the money anywhere other than back into the bag it came from. Porteous: Along that same line, do you think these packets could be the same three packets that were found on the river in Vancouver, Washington in 1980? Walker: I don’t see any evidence to support that theory. To make that assumption would be pure (unsupported) speculation. Porteous: Is there any evidence to suggest that Cooper actually directed a flight plan to the crew beyond ‘we’re going to Mexico City’ and then later just agreeing to try for Reno? Walker: Well, here you have hit a “Sluggo Hot Button!” Early in the investigation there was a belief that Cooper was very knowledgeable about aviation. Then later, it was assumed (by the FBI) that he just had some tangential knowledge. I believe he was VERY familiar with aviation (generally) and the B-727-51 (specifically). I also believe he had studied the navigation charts (FAA Sectional Charts) and chose V-23 as the route he wanted the pilots to use. He did not specify Victor-23, but the things he did specify, made Victor-23 the only viable route southeast. This is a very complex issue, and I can go on for hours discussing it but, for simplicity sake, the best example of what I mean is that he ordered “gear down.” Gear down doesn’t make the plane fly slower, make the door (stairs) open wider, or make the jump safer. The only thing it does is increase fuel burn rate, hence eliminating other routes south. Porteous: The F.B.I. has backed off from their initial theory that Cooper was either a paratrooper, or at least familiar with skydiving. What do you think? Walker: I believe he had some familiarity with skydiving. Most likely it was military experience as a pilot, crew member, or loadmaster (kicker) in a military situation. Remember, when I say “military,” I’m not limiting it to the US Military, he was most likely Canadian. Porteous: It’s been listed in most reports that Cooper said: ‘Looks like Tacoma (Washington) down there.’ At what exact point in the flight did he supposedly say this? Walker: This is the most “over-quoted” and “under-meaningful” testimony in the NORJAK case. This event occurred prior to landing at Seattle. The plane was orbiting (in a holding pattern) out over the Puget Sound (from 15 to 20 nautical miles out). They were at 6,000 ft. MSL, on the 307-degree radial of the SEA VORTAC, out to the LOFAL intersection. The weather was scattered clouds at about 5,000 ft. MSL. They were flying a racetrack-like pattern. On each orbit, Cooper would have seen lights out the starboard (right-hand) windows for about two-minutes (as they turned at the south-most end of the loop). Anyone who knew that they were holding over the Puget Sound would know those lights were the Seattle-Tacoma area. In fact, what he probably saw was Seattle, not Tacoma. Porteous: There have been some minor disputes about how many parachutes were left behind on Flight 305 by Cooper, and which ones he took with him. What do you know about this? Walker: I’m not aware of a dispute. Sources in the FBI have clearly identified that the two chutes remaining on the plane were the “Sport Chute” and the workable reserve (opened and with some shock-cord removed). The two parachutes that were missing were the NB-8 (military-style emergency) and the dummy (training) reserve. Remember, there were no D-Rings on the NB-8 to attach a reserve. Porteous: Robert Blevins and I were able to verify that Christiansen made two major cash purchases between the date of the hijacking and seven months later in July of 1972. One was a $5,000 cash loan to the sister of a man Christiansen had known and worked with for years. The other was a cash purchase of a house and lot in Bonney Lake, Washington that totaled $17,500. Just prior to the hijacking, Christiansen was taking home about $512 a month, had little in the bank, and lived in a very cheap apartment. Do these things, in your opinion, make him a stronger suspect? Walker: No! Every flim-flam man, drug dealer, prostitute, thief, spy, and/or burgler makes purchases that their legal income doesn’t support. If there is other evidence that Christiansen was Cooper, then these purchases (beyond his apparent income) would corroborate the assumptions. But, as a stand-alone issue, they don’t mean much. Porteous: Any other thoughts on the case you’d like to add? Walker: Well, just a cautionary word to all authors, journalist, and researchers. This case has accumulated a mythology that is broader and stronger than the reality. Most of the published “facts” are born from this mythology (and therefore, aren’t facts at all). Initially the myths were propagated by law enforcement’s (LE) lack of candor when releasing public information. Then at the same time LE started “opening-up” to the public, the internet brought its “Cut-and-paste without any critical thinking” culture into the investigation. Finding irrefutable sources almost 40-years after the event is nearly impossible. Porteous: Thank you for your time. (Note from Robert to Wayne: Add your website address and some background about yourself below, and I will add it to the end of the interview for readers.) Web address/background info/short bio goes here: I am 61 years old, married, and getting crabby in my old age. I occasionally work as an Instructional Technologist, Health Physicist, or Human Performance Consultant to Commercial Nuclear Power, Department of Energy, and the National Nuclear Security Agency. Some of my other interests are: Geocaching, NASCAR racing, Amateur Radio, Music (I play trombone), Flying (I am a Private Pilot), hiking, and watching my grandson grow. I have been interested in the Flt. 305 hijacking since just a few years after it occurred (approximately 1974 or 1975). In the early years after the hijacking, the only sources of information (mostly the print media) were already publishing half-truths and mangled facts. Finding quality information was very difficult. At that time, the FBI (the lead agency for the investigation) was not releasing very much information to the public. Since then (beginning in November of 2007) the FBI has started releasing more and more information and revealing some of the data gained from their investigation. The only problem is the new data is being applied to myths about NORJAK rather than the facts. To help remedy this situation, I have attempted to build a “one-stop shopping” website to be used by anyone who wants to know more about the facts in the case and save themselves a lot of time and energy. Sluggo’s “Northwest 305 Hijacking Research Web Site” can be found at http://N467US.com/ . If you wish to contact me you may e-mail me at Sluggo@N467US.com . NOTE TO ROBERT and SKIP: Please change name (in intro) to W. Wayne (Sluggo) Walker. There are more people that know me by “Sluggo” than by Wayne Walker. I will be happy to write a bunch more about the V-23 issue. I just figured you want me to be brief. For more background go to http://n467us.com/Sluggo's%20Personal%20Research.htm to see some work-in-progress about this issue. If the bio is too long delete FROM: Para 2 “… In the early years…” TO: (including) Para 2 “…To help remedy this situation,…” That should shorten it enough. All, See Robert’s point? ________________________________________ Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum RobertMBlevins PM Friend Registered: Aug 1, 2010 Posts: 3832 Oct 21, 2010, 5:50 AM Post #18860 of 45318 (6240 views) Shortcut Re: [Sluggo_Monster] Let's get that thing out here so I can see it [In reply to] Quote | Reply ________________________________________ Sluggo: Well, I don't see anything too terribly bad about your responses for the interview, but then I'm not the one who made the actual call. Does it REALLY matter whether the interview was 'good' or 'bad' or whether Gayla should have accepted it? You trashed the book after its release anyway (that's your perfect right) and you would have had us remove your interview, correct? ________________________________________ 'Were it left to me to have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter...' Thomas Jefferson

Not THAT Albert. This one. Your phone privileges have been suspended. For now. You know that, right? Email and quotes sent to Geoff Gray for verification. I asked him to look at your whole 'Geoff Gray said this' and 'Geoff Gray said that' stuff. Some people don't have the sense God gave a goat, or the decency to apologize... Quote and your unsolicited email to me has been blocked by my ISP. Have a clue stalker. What is your obsession with me! ? You know what comes next. Geoffrey Gray has nothing to do with you - period, he tells me. If you are to be believed then Gray is talking out of both sides of his mouth. You keep quoting from Gray's book, and the rest is falsehoods you make up for public consumption and your personal edification, so far as I can piece your actions together. You are an obsessed individual. We all know that. Why! does this website allow trolls like you to practice here!? Who and what purpose are you serving by all of this? You have literally taken this thread hostage with your personal stuff ... I thought you were MOVING ON days ago, you said ? Your drill here on Dropzone is not only tiresome but dangerous in my opinion. Dropzone has become your personal extension of your 500+ editorials on Newsvine. And you dominate the whole discourse here by it. This website has become infamous for the continuing soap opera at people's expense, that you alone generate. Why dont you start advertising Dropzone as your new home site! You might get a kick in sales. Since you are in communication with Gray get him to come here too and join YOU! You run the SHOW here. Congrats!

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The IDIOT did NOT do any RESEARCH at all. I told you guys I think I know who this guy is but since I can't access his CRAP I am unable to compare the syntax and other things. Seems like this guy STRUCK out with me and others and now he has new targets. It was information similar to this new guy (or same guy) that told me the guy I was talking to and corresponding was NOT for real. The guy I spoke to claimed he had witnesses and backers and a Law enforcement on board with him - why I thought he was with the Marla Camp. Geeze! This writing comparison guy needs to get with the program and do his research instead of making statements like he owns the rights to Cooper or any suspect.Quote Several attornies have weighed in. Both tell me the man's published claim of rights, socalled, aren't worth the Youtube black screen they are written on, and unless the FBI and the agents named have actually signed on to this which is doubtful, the man's claims may even be false and an infringement?. Paraphrasing: '... this guy cannot lay any legal claims onto his so-called intellectual property right to the evidence on DB Cooper. He could copyright his book, but the evidence that he claims to have revealed is 42 year-old evidence that he found published elsewhere. Such claims as his, are specious. Once its been published elsewhere, it becomes property of the public. And it is.' I am writing this but still not sure what 'hand writing' the man has compared, or thinks he has compared. I have read Shutter's account which from the very little I know seems ballpark correct. But I have questions, some questions potentially serious with implications. One potentially serious issue is 'where did he get the "hand writing" he is comparing? The FBI has evidence nobody has ever seen (some say), not even Geoff Gray, Tom Kaye, or RobertMBlevins Semi-Professional Case Manager!. I joke but Im also serious. Is one of the items he is comparing a socalled letter from DB Cooper, socalled, which nobody but two entities has ever seen and the FBI presumably has the letter? The DB Coopephelia is so full of exaggerated claims ... it's hard to know where to begin or what to think. One person has written saying he wonders "if Blevins isn't behind it" trying to keep his name alive in the Cooperphelia! Somehow I doubt that. It merely points out the ludicrous nature and lengths some people will go to ... to force their way in line for Cooper gas, without a penny in their pockets. "where did he get the "hand writing" he is comparing?" I guess the real question would be, does he have these comparisons. this guy thinks the ticket was signed by cooper. if you look at is map on the video he has a path for miles. the way he is acting on other You Tube video comments tells me he is not very professional about what he is claiming. the guy is posting his phone number, calling people out etc. etc. I can put a bunch of papers together and make it look good for the camera. why would he start this venture on You Tube? I would be calling reporters if I had such hard evidence. maybe we should call him? probably a recording so he can censor the calls......two of them are involved. perhaps they are trying to go viral...I don't know. hit Quote hit Enter several times - type message: oh I remember what I was going to say - its been so long since I hit Enter expecting an angel to come through my window ... on a parachute ... uhhh? now I forget! ..... oh yes now I remember . . . .... press Quote Hit ENTER - several times maybe he's from Mars and thinks in four dimensions? Bruce is surely going to press Quote and ENTER this 'manifestation' and give us the interdimensional scoop. Has the man talked to Tina? Has the man talked to Cossey, in the last several days? I dunnoh. He could be a hologram? Press Quote. Hit ENTER. several times.

Calling Veronka ? Hit Post reply click 'see your post' within 30 microseconds allotted - do not press Enter How come those instructions don't come on the box? There used to be a Quote thingy built in. Then some manager rebuilt the page - who know why. So have been having to supply my own Quote to get anything to work. PUT THE "HIT ENTER SEVERAL TIMES" INSTRUCTION ON THE NEW BOX! who would have guessed it?Quote now everything is all fucked up!

The IDIOT did NOT do any RESEARCH at all. I told you guys I think I know who this guy is but since I can't access his CRAP I am unable to compare the syntax and other things. Seems like this guy STRUCK out with me and others and now he has new targets. It was information similar to this new guy (or same guy) that told me the guy I was talking to and corresponding was NOT for real. The guy I spoke to claimed he had witnesses and backers and a Law enforcement on board with him - why I thought he was with the Marla Camp. Geeze! This writing comparison guy needs to get with the program and do his research instead of making statements like he owns the rights to Cooper or any suspect.Quote Several attornies have weighed in. Both tell me the man's published claim of rights, socalled, aren't worth the Youtube black screen they are written on, and unless the FBI and the agents named have actually signed on to this which is doubtful, the man's claims may even be false and an infringement?. Paraphrasing: '... this guy cannot lay any legal claims onto his so-called intellectual property right to the evidence on DB Cooper. He could copyright his book, but the evidence that he claims to have revealed is 42 year-old evidence that he found published elsewhere. Such claims as his, are specious. Once its been published elsewhere, it becomes property of the public. And it is.' I am writing this but still not sure what 'hand writing' the man has compared, or thinks he has compared. I have read Shutter's account which from the very little I know seems ballpark correct. But I have questions, some questions potentially serious with implications. One potentially serious issue is 'where did he get the "hand writing" he is comparing? The FBI has evidence nobody has ever seen (some say), not even Geoff Gray, Tom Kaye, or RobertMBlevins Semi-Professional Case Manager!. I joke but Im also serious. Is one of the items he is comparing a socalled letter from DB Cooper, socalled, which nobody but two entities has ever seen and the FBI presumably has the letter? The DB Coopephelia is so full of exaggerated claims ... it's hard to know where to begin or what to think. One person has written saying he wonders "if Blevins isn't behind it" trying to keep his name alive in the Cooperphelia! Somehow I doubt that. It merely points out the ludicrous nature and lengths some people will go to ... to force their way in line for Cooper gas, without a penny in their pockets.

Quote About what I thought. You exaggerated. You said: "having been a Case Manager (that entitled) you to make a "semi professional" opinion about clinical psychological matters. I disagree! All it entitles you to do is issue an "opinion" and thre are as many "opinions" as there as "assholes". Artful dodger? Nothing I have said has changed. You are the one doing the dance. Geoff called back and reinforced his original statements. Now you can claim he did not call me back. You can claim I am a Unicorn. You can claim you are a case manager and a semi professional of something or other - - - you can claim you are Moses! You can claim you are a 'semi professional' advisor to Tom Kaye and on his team, for all I care! You will keep throwing your bones and pebbles and reading Jesus in the toast between the lines. That is a given. Its sad.

Quote Mr. Case Manager. Tell me how you become a Case Manager without even having a college degree much less an MS in social management or psychology with clinical experience ... without a certificate of license from your State ... all in a Federally-State funded program instituted by Act of Congress ... like the VocRehab Act for one, run and administered by the Dept of Human Services who not only set Job Titles (DOT mandated by Congress) but Federal-State Guidelines for hiring? Or do you have a general license/permit which reads: GENIUS ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS WHENEVER WHEREVER ? Maybe what you are calling CASE MANAGER was actually Case Worker-I, or Intake Coordinator Associate, Intake Cordinator-II, Appointment Coordinator, or who knows ... ? Or maybe you were a Case Worker-I who who finally assumed the duties of a Case Manager, because the State didnt have the funds to hire a real Case Manager with a degree and real credentials? That sometimes happens in Third World Countries like the State of Washington and Mississippi and Somalia? As a Case Manager did you adminster psychological tests and or evaluate them ... without a license? Did you recommend treatment and sign off on training/employment for your clients? Write prescriptions and dispense and manage meds? Was your staff licensed? Did they have college degrees? Did you tell MD's and/or medical staff what to do? Did you have daily case meetings with staff making recommendations in all of the above areas? Or were you simply an Intake Coordinator? Shuffled papers around, organised intake files... ? Did some minor interviewing like: "What's your name Bob? How many cats have you set fire to? When you shot your mother was it on Monday or Thursday? ... that kind of thing. ??? I'm glad you aren't "managing" my case of Miller Lite!

***"On the subject of the recent Cooper Nut ....I think this person has borderline mental issues. That's a semi professional opinion... I don't think this person is schitzophrenic in the classic sense, but he could be what they call a borderline personality. His messages read like Nigerian spam, sort of. Not a good sign." Look, I already gave you a hard time about your mistaken phone call to Geoff Gray. That was more funny than anything else. It's not my wish to run this into the ground. I will answer your question, although I think everyone except you figured it out easily: It refers to Paul, the guy who keeps sending me messages via Facebook. Thinks KC is the guy, thin evidence, owns all the rights, etc. You are right. I misspelled schizophrenic. And I don't think Paul IS, by the way. His messages are a bit on the weird side, though. Quote Well I am greatly relieved (finally) to know that I have not been classified (by a semi-professional) as being (what was it?) biorderline schizophren ic. I mean having been a semi-professional myself, hav ing even been a student and personal friend of a natio nally recognised expert on 'schizoph renia' (Dr. N.G) ... shall I even finished this sentence .... what was it I was going to say? .... flt flt flt .... pssft pssft psysgsh yut ... oh yes I remembe now: Roses a5re red, viol34746trsar45n b'b'b'b'68657u, ah yes Green pants Golden Corral Out back Ste ak Farflungee. IVE GOT IT NOW! Next time you make a "semi prof\ essional" clinical diagnosis of a person on this thread based on their kneec 86756vb gol khv aps and writing .. make sure you identify WHO it is you are refe rring to ... or the Moderator might even get the idea it is him! Sorta makes sense ... since you are also a profes sional literacy edit or? Hi Geoff! Pft pft pft! I will take my meds now. Eyeya amya adglay eeway irclay aday atthey upyay. Ebay Oodglay! OK?

Georger: No, this is not a quote from Gray's book, so you don't have to call him. Just wanted to make that plain after you mistakenly told him I said he worked at a group home for the mentally ill... You deserved that totally. And someday I will expect an apology.Quote If you had not written what you wrote there wouldn't be a problem, now would there. WHO exactly "are" you referring to in your comments: ? "On the subject of the recent Cooper Nut ....I think this person has borderline mental issues. That's a semi professional opinion... I don't think this person is schitzophrenic in the classic sense, but he could be what they call a borderline personality. His messages read like Nigerian spam, sort of. Not a good sign." Are you talking about me? Because it follows immediately after referencing me in Gray's book pages 171 and 220. Who is it you are talking about, Mr. Blevins? BTW you mispelled "schizophrenic". "To Everyone Else: On the subject of the recent Cooper Nut. Sometimes you can tell a lot about a person from what they write. I think this person has borderline mental issues. That's a semi-professional opinion based on six years working in group homes for the mentally ill when I was much younger, and just out of community college. I don't think this person is schitzophrenic in the classic sense, but he could be what they call a borderline personality. His messages read like Nigerian spam, sort of. Not a good sign."