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Farflung tried to cover up by saying "Of the four people to jump three survived and Cooper is unknown." wrong..(I left out LaPoint the last time I told you "wrong") LaPoint Heady Hahneman McNally McCoy Cooper And then there's the recent guy in the Phillipines that jumped with the homemade parachute. (377 liked that guy). I posted detail here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3521504;search_string=phillipines;#3521504 I'm betting you guys don't even remember his name: "Reginald Chua" Phillipines Airlines Flight 812 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_812 Reginald taught me how to jump. That's why I know Jerry is full of shit. Note he was incorrectly identified as ""Augusto Lakandula" from the name on his ticket. (see the wikipedia) Research! Go date a librarian.

I got a whole rant about this airline "screening" stuff. What we're seeing is the opposite side of the 18-year-old-will-do-anything coin. The airline security stuff is aimed at excluding the "dumb" terrorist. But what if you assume any terrorist is technically astute, well-funded, and as smart as you are, with access to similar resources? That's the real problem. Coupled to $200 tickets giving you access to a flying missile. There's no way to protect against that. That's the basic lie. Maybe we should just shift back to no screening? Basically we've come to live with the guaranteed death toll with cars. We'll have to get past the lie of "air safety" and just live with the guaranteed problems with mass air travel. Making it smaller, fewer passengers, $10,000 tickets would make it safer, but the negative economic and social fallout, guarantees that won't happen. It's going to be "acceptable risk" You could imagine outlawing large planes with large fuel tanks. Force only small planes. That would eliminate certain risks. The main thing is eliminating it as a propaganda target. The thing is, the recent thing succeeded in creating "terror". They didn't even have to blow up the plane. It's not like they needed to actually kill people to send their message.

Okay, so Yugoslavia -> Serbia and Montenegro in 2003. They declare independence from each other in 2006. Orange1 journeys to Croatia (next door) in 2008. And now Orange1 wants to suggest that I didn't know about her Lithuanian background. Let me just remind everyone: I post a description of the 727 airstair operations, from a website in the Netherlands on Jan 27, 2009. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3470188;search_string=Netherlands;#3470188 On Dec 11, 2009, I just "randomly" mention the Netherlands again. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3750644;search_string=Netherlands;#3750644 Now lets look at Northwest flight A333 on Dec 25, 2009 A Northwest Airlines Airbus A330-300 in Delta colors, registration N820NW performing flight NW-253 from Amsterdam (Netherlands) to Detroit,MI (USA) with 278 passengers, was on approach to Detroit just lowering the landing gear, when a Nigerian male passenger attempted to ignite a powdery substance attached to one of his leg. The airplane had arrived in Amsterdam as flight NW-240 from Minneapolis,MN (USA) about 100 minutes before departure of flight 253. The itinerary of the Nigerian passenger is unclear, there are unconfirmed reports, he may have flown from Lagos (Nigeria) to Amsterdam on flight KL-588 connecting to flight NW-253 to Detroit. Flight KL-588 arrived in Amsterdam 2:50 hours before scheduled departure of NW-253.

You do realise "Yugoslavia" hasn't existed for nearly 2 decades now...??? Excellent. I knew we needed review. Just keep fleshing out the details.

I have it on authority from the Citizen's Sleuth Group that Robbie Burroughs, the woman in the FBI "found parachute" photos that were staged at the same Hollywood set that the NASA moon landings were staged....has been asked to leave the Bureau because of her refusal to go along with the coverup any longer. Apparently, as a woman, she couldn't take the lies to Jo Weber any longer. Details of the resignation are here: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010627234_robbie30m.html Note she was the public-information officer, responsible for communicating with the public. "For working in a public position, Burroughs is a very private person. Ray Lauer, a special agent and alternate PIO, was protective when asked for a Burroughs anecdote or two. "Does she know you're doing this?" he asked a reporter. In her farewell e-mail, Burroughs nixed the idea of a retirement party. "I hate to be the center of attention, so no party," she wrote. Which also explains why she declined to be interviewed for this story." The apparent cover story: Burroughs said her immediate plans include cooking school and a trip to Europe. Like Lithuania? Something doesn't add up here. Lithuania is only about 100 miles from St. Petersburg.

"Three sources with direct knowledge of the relationship say that the C.I.A.’s National Resources Division recruited Prince in 2004 to join a secret network of American citizens with special skills or unusual access to targets of interest." from http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/01/blackwater-201001?currentPage=3 I'm fairly confident this is the Citizen's Sleuth Group. (edit) although, Jo might be correct in saying it's a continuation of the Rogue Rangers?

Is this a useless rhetorical post?

Was reading the article Orange1 posted a link to, on Prince and Blackwater/Xe... ..oh p.s. hat's off to Sluggo for getting everyone to post responses with the Subject: "Having Sex with a Polar-Bear" ..well done Looking at the U.S. economy, an obvious high growth area is private mercenary. It would seem Xe would be a prime takeover target for non-US investors. (Prince has sold a business once. Just a question of getting the right number for him). Are there any restrictions on foreign ownership? Are there any laws that require contracts Xe gets, to be pursued only by US-owned companies? What exactly are the mercenary laws (I know the constitution says "no mercenaries"..but I'm talking about reality) I'm wondering if you could pitch a buyout to a consortium from China and Yugoslavia. They'd be able to bring access to cheaper/larger weapons to the party. Orange1 could work the numbers for this and get a cut of the deal. says the article: After 12 years building the company, he says he intends to turn it over to its employees and a board, and exit defense contracting altogether. An internal power struggle is said to be under way among those seeking to define the direction and underlying mission of a post-Prince Blackwater. He insists, simply, “I’m through.” Sounds to me like a guy looking for a buyout? For the time being, however, Prince contends that his plans are far more modest. “I’m going to teach high school,” he says, straight-faced. “History and economics. I may even coach wrestling. That makes sense. I'm glad our private mercenaries always make sense.

orange1: you recognized my post as the first post Ckret ever made to the a Cooper thread here at DZ.com right? If you go back and read it (edit) or read my "encryption" as you aptly demonstrated) ..., you realize Carr had no more insight than any of us, for all this "professional FBI guy" bs.

Sluggo kicked some ass with a story that ended with 'He said; “Okay smart-ass just leave the Coors in the back seat and get the hell out of here!” ' That reminds me of a Montana story. I'm riding with a guy driving his pickup, and it's the end of the day (winter), so he's got one hand on the wheel, and the other holding his beer which he's draining... (Montana was the first place I've seen elk herds, they were wintering there somewhere) when all of a sudden a deer jumps up in front of us, and bam bounces off the front of his truck. Which totally wakes me up. And he looks in his rear view, and the deer is bounding across the other side of the road behind us, and he goes "she's fine" ... and he took another pull off the beer, having not spilled a drop, nor let up on the gas. So: my point is: Maybe you're not lying since you were in a polar bear suit. But if you tried to claim you were dressed up as a deer, I'd know you were full of shit.

Assuming you have windows xp, the easiest way to make some of your photos of Duane in the Rangers smaller (so you can upload them for the world) is: Right click on the .jpg file Left click on "Send To" then Left click on "Mail recipient" Click "OK" on the window that comes up. It should have "Make all my pictures smaller" selected with a green dot. An email will come up with the smaller file as an attachment If you left double click that attachment, your viewer should come up, and you can then save the smaller file as a different name (so it doesn't overwrite the original) Click on the floppy icon on the bottom of the viewer to do that. This will help in identifying the Ranger unit Duane hunted polar bears with.

377 said "The other skydivers burst out laughing. For years I would get razzed by others saying "remember daddy, no hook turns!!!."" Now that's a good story!

This is good. You can see their paths tracked out to the Beaufort Sea here. (they have some other locations too) 6 bears being tracked here http://www.panda.org/what_we_do/where_we_work/arctic/area/species/polarbear/polar_bear/ "For the last 5 years or so, the WWF-Canon Polar Bear Tracker has followed polar bears in the Arctic. Their positions are beamed from collars on the bears’ necks, via satellite to scientists, and then to this website. " (edit) if you look at the turquoise path on the Beaufort Sea one (arctic), I wonder what made him turn back after swimming out so far? How did he know where to go? From the markers it looks like he swam it in one day.

Even more amazing, because of their far lower intelligence compared to dogs, are the aerial photos a giant Bluefin tuna hunting in a cooperative V formation and taking turns eating the trapped prey so they can keep it corraled. I have friends in commercial fishing who say they have seen this behavior on their scanning sonars many times when the water is calm enough to get good returns near the surface. Even smaller tuna such as Albacore do this sometimes. Polar bears are in huge trouble. I hpoe they do not become extinct in the wild. They have been seen swimming far offshore in AK and that looks like a very bad sign. http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2008/08/polar-bears-found-swimming-60-miles-offshore 377 Interesting. This says a verified recorded swim for a polar bear was straight line 74 km in one day (24 hours) (about 46 miles) There is no f*ing way a polar bear could make it 12 miles to I-5 in the death woods. And then there's no way he'd get someone to pick him up. http://www.panda.org/what_we_do/where_we_work/arctic/area/species/polarbear/polar_bear_resources/?22472/Polar-bear-makes-longest-recorded-swim

377 had the opinion that "They should share a few beers and compare notes, not threaten to whup each other's butts." ?? That doesn't make sense. This thread has never been about Cooper, never will be. Maybe never can be? So talking about kicking ass is very appropriate. That's what it's about. What else would it be about?

There are bald Arctic Smoke Jumpers, and there are bold Arctic Smoke Jumpers. But there are no old, cold, ribald, Arctic Smoke Jumpers. I know. Duane told me.

Getntig cahgut up on tihs terahd is eixhusnatg, but I hvae dnoe it. So ltes strat form the bignnnieg, who was DB Coepor? -DB Ceopor was not a drknier, he olny had one dnirk and sllepid a prooitn of taht. If soeomne was a dnerikr, in a stuaitoin lkie tihs he wluod hvae had mroe tahn jsut one in the fvie huors he was on the plnae. -He was not a cihan soemkr, he was on the airfcrat for fvie horus and olny skemod 8 cigtaetres. Taht wuold mkae him a smeokr of lses tahn a pcak-a-day and tihs uendr nmoral citnidoons. -He sopke in an inglnliteet mneanr and nveer lsot his cool, he was aalyws pltoie tghuhroout the oedarl. -He had bworn eeys (Sfecnhafr saw his eeys befroe he put on the gsseals, he lokoed dlectriy at her saveerl teims ungrig her to raed the ntoe) -He is 5'10 to 6'1 (Muoklcw is 5'8 and senpt 5 hrous wtih Coeopr, she wolud konw if he was her hhegit or tllaer. Hvae semoone 5'8 snatd nxet to seoomne 6 feet, the drefecinfe is oubvois. Betetr yet, ptioiosn ysluoerf at a leevl of 5'8 and look at sooenme at a 6' eoiatelvn. Now snepd 5 hrous wtih taht psroen, yolu'l konw the dfcnreeife. No one put Cpooer unedr 5'10. -He had ovlie sikn (no mkae-up, nieethr Mkloucw, Sfeahfcnr or Hccnaok mdae cnmeomt on mkae-up whcih wluod hvae been vrey ouvoibs. Aigan, do the mtah, put drak mkueap on semonoe tehn sit nxet to tehm wtih yuor sldrueohs tnhiocug, you can see the mkae-up.) -He had drak hiar, rcedieng wtih sirdbunes (no wig, tihs wloud hvae been pilanfuly ooibuvs, if a man was waireng a wig wtih a rneiecdg hiar lnie and sdie bunrs eynvoere wluod hvae ncteoid, eealspcliy Mcukolw and Shffnaecr.) -He was med bulit (no one put him oevr 190 lbs, in fcat msot put him 180 or udner. Fnid a man 6 foot 180 lbs, tthas a med to tihn bluid.) Tehse are the fcats on his pcyshail mkae-up, if yuor sspcuet deos not mtach tshee you may wnat to satrt lkinoog at soeomne esle. DB Coeopr had A.D.D, his antottein to dtaeil was poor. He got the big pcuirte, but meissd the bsruh skretos. He was aslo a "konw-it-all." The tpye of pesron who wolud leran a few fcats and tehn bmocee an epxert on the sebcjut. One of tsohe peolpe who has jsut engouh kednlgwoe to be doaeugnrs. DB Cooepr msot lkiley sveerd in the mriatily and uopn lavneig uesd his tcahnceil tniranig as a cntaocortr in the aliirne itnsrudy, in and anruod Setlate. He rsoe to a mid-leevl mgnemeaant ptoiosin but wehn he cluod rsie no fehturr or his prcejot neevr got off the gnuord, he qiut or was freid, "bsuecae no one usnoodretd him or wree jsut to sitpud to get it." Soon thrteafeer he ran itno big fnainacil peorlmbs taht had a set dienalde for rlotseouin. Jsut as awayls he doveeepld the "big ptcurie" for gtnietg the meony but the epasce was vrey ploory pnalend. Wluod any of you mkae the foonilwlg jmup? Hree are smoe fatcs to cnseoidr if he suerivvd and if you colud plul it off. The waehter: Cleinig of 5,000 feet, bokern coluds at 3,500, srttaeced cudlos at 1,500. Wnids of 12 to 14 konts, lgiht rian sewrohs. The jmup: D'Bs chtue was a mliraity stlye 28' capony. The plenas seped was 173 ktnos wehn he jemupd at 10,000 feet in flul desnrkas. The ldniang: Fsreot wtih no lthigs. Psibosly muiounntoas dideennpg uopn wcihh tehory you buy itno. So, You wluod hvae to mkae the jmup in a bssnuies siut, old matliriy sylte 28' cuthe, in a rian srotm, at nghit, no ltihgs, or eiqumepnt of any knid. Oh, and you wloud hvae to tie an aidaidotnl 25 pudons to yuor wiast to rrecetae the wieght of meony and jmup at 10,000' form the bcak of a pnale minvog at 200 mph. In the end yo'ud hvae to stcik the lidnang in the mddile of a froset at aoubt 30 mph wtih a 14 kont wnid. And it geos on and on. Hploulfey I wlil soon be albe to aswenr mnay qoinutses in tihs csae and parephs mybae the utmilate one. And yes Grasargbs, FBI antges can raed.

it's true, I read it on the interweb series of pipes thing why-so-many-terrorists-get-their-start-as-engineers American engineers, he said, "just don't take risks. ... The hard-wiring of engineers makes them very cautious." .. Still, he did give some credit to al-Qaida and its ilk for the logic of its HR strategy: "If I was to recruit terrorists, engineers would be the first guys I'd want." Or Duane Weber (left unsaid).

Who's the real deal? Abdulmutallab or Zazi? (edit) or Hasan? You gotta admit, willing to fire the bomb while it's, like, right there, is out there. regardless of what the press says about blowing holes in airplanes, the most likely outcome was just blowing your crotch off. (has everyone seen the photos of the underwear?) (edit) I'm still miffed that all the press is about "terror" when the real problem is "planes are unsafe technology" Is there any terror not involving planes? I guess nukes. How come Jerry running around with guns isn't terror?

We were talking back about being eaten by polar bears or eating their livers when you're lost in the woods. I just realized I ran across some advice for fighting polar bears bare-handed. This comes from an Intuit. I don't know if he's bullshitting or not, but will pass it on, since some knowledge is better than nothing I guess, if you get caught by a polar bear while lost. tells stories about fighting bears with his bare hands, and surviving. He says it’s all about facing the bear down and feinting in the right direction, in the end actually diving towards the bear and baffling it. I don't know what the "right" direction for the feint is. I guess you try one, and if it's a fail, then you should have tried the other. (edit) I did run into a story where Duane fought a polar bear and ate his liver...but Poof! Duane was Cooper..Say Amen, brother.

When Jerry and I go dancing, that's our favorite song: (as long as he's lubed his gun) Cause' tonight for the first time Just about half past ten For the first time in history It's gonna start raining whale It's raining whale Hallejulah It's raining whale Amen

Okay this is obligatory. I would note this happened Nov 1970, exactly one year before Cooper. Whale + dynamite = bad idea. nov. 1970 If you've not seen this (hasn't everyone) watch the vid. First: what do you think will happen? Answer: Amazon is right. (starting at 1:47) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFwxH3PPWiU For you text fans, you'll find the reference under "Exploding Whales" in wikipedia (where else?) http://www.famouspictures.org/index.php?title=The_Exploding_Whale I would also note this happened in Florence, Oregon. The reporter Paul Linnman worked for KATU-TV in Portland, Oregon. I can't make the DBC connection any more obvious. (edit) Note that "Florence" was the name of the other stew, much like "Tena Bar" was the name of the other other stew. Florence is west of Eugene..just west of the flight path. see here (more evidence) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon&daddr=Florence,+OR&hl=en&geocode=FfyhtgIdERyw-CkndKl9CwuVVDGRhdH25rk2HA%3BFR0fnwId_2Ka-CkFR2SMBYDBVDHcOiOwZMAG2w&gl=us&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=44.821426,-123.289798&sspn=2.146832,4.031982&ie=UTF8&ll=44.754535,-123.381958&spn=2.149298,4.031982&t=h&z=8

Let's do the math we're at 593 pages. 1000-593 = 407 If we don't clip thru more a page a day, we'll still be below 1000 pages at the end of 2010. That won't do. Hasn't somebody's grandma talked to someone who knew someone who built a house for someone next to someone who had something hidden in a root cellar? And lied about it when asked if they worked for the CIA?

we went with the Ilyushin II-76 on 377's recommendation (I think he just wanted to jump the tailgate because he saw that ad with the topless jumpers?) But then it all went to hell in Thailand and now everyone's freaking.. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/pilot-says-arms-bound-for-kiev/396842.html http://en.rian.ru/world/20091225/157375995.html The guys in Kiev sent me back all the money, the asses they just put it in a box in USPS..Now I don't know whether it was traced thru the postal service and they're just waiting for me to open it or what. I'm going to mail the money to 377. Let him deal with the FBI. (attached the scan of the box below. You can see the date is just a 12/11/09 (they do the month in the middle). check the stamps and cancellations) I have proof! unlike Jo and Buster Crabbe Jerry. And if anyone is thinking of calling the newspapers..I'll warn you..I know how to squeal like a pig!

They're living on nuts and berries. They say animals don't worry. They're living on nuts and berries. proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmuYTb6ynbg