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Sluggo attempted to chisel fossil records in stone with "EDIT NOTE: For those who are reading this post in the future, I substituted Jo’s avatar for my own for a short time." Sluggo: the problem is, when you change avatars, it's not like a post..the avatar changes everywhere, all the way back to your first post. So when you change again, your temporary "stamping" is lost. You need to do something different. You could constantly attach the picture, but we probably would stop opening it. I think you're stuck. There are many reasons Cooper won't be found. This is just another. (edit) Poor man's IM I just realized. The nice thing about IMs is that they typically aren't preserved like emails. (see Microsoft court cases). Now since the avatar history isn't preserved, I can put secret messages in the avatar, and they disappear when I want...hmm. Poof! as it were.

TF 6-26 used paintball guns, so I think Sluggo is free to do whatever he wants.

yeah, I thought it was pretty impressive. I don't know if it got much airplay when it happened in 2001. Did you see what Reid said? I didn't excerpt that, but it makes Young's response even more stirring. I'm assuming Young thought about what he would say before the sentencing. It would be incredible if he just whipped that off the top of his head in rejoinder to Reid. But reading it made me feel good. Feel good about judges, the US Justice system etc. I couldn't believe it when Cheney threw out his Obama attack (the 3 things I listed) and assumed any listener would agree that it was outrageous. I mean I could see Cheney has his own opinions, but the Reid speech provides a perfect counterpoint. Now you could ask: yeah, but there was another bomber afterwards. Well that is true, and has nothing to do with justice. Beating Reid to death, instead, wouldn't have solved that either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OZS6wem7OQ&feature=related (Kubrick directed FMJ..my prior post reminded me of it. Actually it's kind of a downer watching the clip) (edit) I would also note: Georger's reference to DS666 was obviously related to 377's "F 666" license/jump reference. Who would have known there were so many F licenses?

well, we dont ewant some Dropzone member rowing out to sea in their bedpan, just because DS666 was written on the side of their folder - its enough that we have avatars here that look likesome schixophrenic episode! georger! you made me laugh out loud! I'm shocked! (good one) (my avatar: I was attempting to recreate "The Shining" and the "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" scene. I loved that!) (edit) Amazon: where were the exterior scenes shot for "The Shining" ...Timberline Lodge, Mt. Hood, Oregon!... The references are complete!

How come Obama isn't jumping on things like Bush did when Reid did the attempted shoe bombing. (Dec 22, 2001, American Airlines Flight 63) Hmm. what did Bush do anyhow? Can anyone remember? There's no way Bush would have tried that bastard in a civilian court. Oh wait, he did. Never mind. Who gets to torture this Nigerian kid? (edit) Reid sentencing. The bastard plead guilty and was sentenced to life http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/31/reid.transcript/ I hadn't read what Judge William Young said. It's actually quite cool to read..(see link). I excerpt the fine bits here: This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and a just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. So war talk is way out of line in this court. You're a big fellow. But you're not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a very real sense Trooper Santiago had it right when first you were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and you said you're no big deal. You're no big deal. What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search this entire record it comes as close to understanding as I know. It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom. They carry it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's seek that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their, their representation of you before other judges. We care about it. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow it will be forgotten. But this, however, will long endure. Here, in this courtroom, and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged, and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice. See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag still stands for freedom. You know it always will. Custody, Mr. Officer. Stand him down.

I asked the TSA about the Cooper/Weber investigation. All I got back was: "Security Directives are not for public disclosure. TSA's Office of Inspections is currently investigating how the recent Security Directives were acquired and published by parties who should not have been privy to this information." It sounds to me like the Weber Case has gone hot! (edit) I always knew they'd come to us..I mean we have the most info on the only unsolved hijacking, by Duane Weber, and the resulting coverup. Who else would they talk to...Dick Cheney? (edit) They're rounding up the usual suspects, stay alert everyone! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/exclusive-tsa-seizes-hard_b_407877.html "Yesterday evening Chris Elliot, another respected travel blogger -- who works for MSNBC, National Geographic, and the Washington Post -- was at home in Florida, when TSA Special Agent Robert Flaherty knocked on his door with a similar subpoena. The subpoena demanded that Elliott turn over all documents, emails, or faxes and his hard drive by the end of business day, Dec 31, New Year's Eve." (edit) I'm wondering now whether I misunderstood the real stuff behind the Robbie Burroughs surprise resignation. It's getting complicated!

georger: "For example, make sure case file names on the sides of folders and other papers are not exposed during patient interviews." well, any sensible coverup should hide the names of the overarching project/experiment. That's fundamental conspiracy stuff.

skyjack warned "It does not involve you, but your mind might be able to decipher what it means - unless you already know. " Hey, I can fit 9 GBytes on a double-sided DVD, and I tested it: a dog can't sniff it in my crotch. I'm not worried. TSA: do your worst! (edit) skyjack also offered "P.S. I did make another contact with the Night Clerk - as he contacted me just a few days ago - has been in a remote part of China and just recently got his American Made laptop working. " I've done some research on this. The vast majority of night clerks that have gone to China, use American Made laptops and jeans. (which of course, are actually made in China). Unless you have more evidence, I think you're just trying to obfuscate the truth here? Duane Weber has shown the way, why have you forsaken him? (edit) "When I speak of Norjak regardless of how I spell it, know what I mean. I was told the file name existed before Himmelsbach wrote his book and prior to the actual Skyjacking. How much of that was truth I don't know. " Of course Norjak existed before Norjak. We're not a bunch of creationists here. If it didn't exist before, how could it just appear?

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY Transportation Security Administration Aviation Security Directive Subject: Security Directive Number: SD 1544-09-06 Date: December 25, 2009 EXPIRATION: 0200Z on December 30, 2009 This Security Directive (SD) must be implemented immediately. The measures contained in this SD are in addition to all other SDs currently in effect for your operations. INFORMATION: On December 25, 2009, a terrorist attack was attempted against a flight traveling to the United States. TSA has identified security measures to be implemented by airports, aircraft operators, and foreign air carriers to mitigate potential threats to flights. APPLICABILITY: THIS SD APPLIES TO AIRCRAFT OPERATORS THAT CARRY OUT A SECURITY PROGRAM REGULATED UNDER 49 CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS (CFR)1544.101(a). ACTIONS REQUIRED: If you conduct scheduled and/or public charter flight operations under a Full Program under 49 CFR 1544.101(a) departing from any foreign location to the United States (including its territories and possessions), you must immediately implement all measures in this SD for each such flight. 1. BOARDING GATE 1. The aircraft operator or authorized air carrier representative must ensure all passengers are screened at the boarding gate during the boarding process using the following procedures. These procedures are in addition to the screening of all passengers at the screening checkpoint. 1. Perform thorough pat-down of all passengers at boarding gate prior to boarding, concentrating on upper legs and torso. 2. Physically inspect 100 percent of all passenger accessible property at the boarding gate prior to boarding, with focus on syringes being transported along with powders and/or liquids. 3. Ensure the liquids, aerosols, and gels restrictions are strictly adhered to in accordance with SD 1544-06-02E. 2. During the boarding process, the air carrier may exempt passengers who are Heads of State or Heads of Government from the measures outlined in Section I.A. of this SD, including the following who are traveling with the Head of State or Head of Government: 1. Spouse and children, or 2. One other individual (chosen by the Head of State or Head of Government) 3. For the purposes of Section I.B., the following definitions apply: 1. Head of State: An individual serving as the chief public representative of a monarchic or republican nation-state, federation, commonwealth, or any other political state (for example, King, Queen, and President). 2. Head of Government: The chief officer of the executive branch of a government presiding over a cabinet (for example, Prime Minister, Premier, President, and Monarch). 2. IN FLIGHT 1. During flight, the aircraft operator must ensure that the following procedures are followed: 1. Passengers must remain in seats beginning 1 hour prior to arrival at destination. 2. Passenger access to carry-on baggage is prohibited beginning 1 hour prior to arrival at destination. 3. Disable aircraft-integrated passenger communications systems and services (phone, internet access services, live television programming, global positioning systems) prior to boarding and during all phases of flight. 4. While over U.S. airspace, flight crew may not make any announcement to passengers concerning flight path or position over cities or landmarks. 5. Passengers may not have any blankets, pillows, or personal belongings on the lap beginning 1 hour prior to arrival at destination. AIRCRAFT OPERATOR ACKNOWLEDGMENT: The aircraft operator must immediately provide written confirmation to its assigned PSI indicating receipt of this SD. AIRCRAFT OPERATOR dissemination required: The aircraft operator must immediately pass the information and directives set forth in this SD to all stations affected, and provide written confirmation to its PSI, indicating that all stations affected have acknowledged receipt of the information and directives set forth in this SD. The aircraft operator must disseminate this information to its senior management personnel, ground security coordinators, and supervisory security personnel at all affected locations. All aircraft operator personnel implementing this SD must be briefed by the aircraft operator on its content and the restrictions governing dissemination. No other dissemination may be made without prior approval of the Assistant Secretary for the Transportation Security Administration. Unauthorized dissemination of this document or information contained herein is prohibited by 49 CFR Part 1520 (see 69 Fed. Reg. 28066 (May 18, 2004). APPROVAL OF ALTERNATIVE MEASURES: With respect to the provisions of this SD, as stated in 49 CFR 1544.305(d), the aircraft operator may submit in writing to its PSI proposed alternative measures and the basis for submitting the alternative measures for approval by the Assistant Administrator for Transportation Sector Network Management. The aircraft operator must immediately notify its PSI whenever any procedure in this SD cannot be carried out by a government authority charged with performing security procedures. FOR TSA ACTION ONLY: The TSA must issue this SD immediately to the corporate security element of all affected U.S. aircraft operators. FOR STATE DEPARTMENT: Retransmittal to appropriate foreign posts is authorized. Post must refer to STATE 162917, 201826Z Sep 01, Subject: FAA Security Directives and Information Circulars: Definitions and Handling, for specific guidance and dissemination. Gale Rossides Acting Administrator

The Citizens' Sleuth Group has it on good authority that DZ.com is included here: "the Transportation Security Administration is going after bloggers who wrote about a directive to increase security after the incident." http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/30/us/politics/AP-US-Airliner-Attack-TSA-Supoenas.html I don't know if the subpoena references posters with names involving "skyjack" but any sensible investigation would seem to go that way. This could be what blows the Duane Weber case/coverup wide open. "Frischling said he met with two TSA special agents Tuesday night at his Connecticut home for about three hours and again on Wednesday morning when he was forced to hand over his lap top computer. Frischling said the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he didn't cooperate and provide the name of the person who leaked the memo." I have taken the precaution of storing all Cooper/Weber evidence on a DVD and hiding it in my underwear. (edit) The article says nothing about whether the TSA agents had Uzis, but given Farflung's mention of soda trucks, it's possible. (edit) I would remind everyone, in case of doubt, that I am president-for-life of the Citizens' Sleuth Group that the FBI is working with (see TV shows and youtube videos). We are not admitting anyone new to the network, although you can send funds to duaneweber@paypal.com. We operate totally independently from the FBI and never communicate with them, but are aligned spiritually in our hearts. (edit) Oh yeah, we are not nuts. We have self-certified that.

Farflung: "Who has escaped with a ransom in the US? I simply can't think of any and view ransom demands in cash as extremely high risk." Well, don't think it's worth researching...but note that your thoughts revolve around Cooper being risk-averse :) (edit) actually you reminded me of a train of thought I pushed a lot here, a while back. Carr was all about "Cooper did it for the money" I always thought the money was secondary, and was searching for other more primary motivators. I couldn't understand how Carr could say money was the primary motivator. If it was, it has the problems you mention. So either Cooper was dumb + money primary motivator. Or the money was maybe secondary.

Sluggo disclosed "Norjax is a computer gaming company or a South African Cannery." Hey, if you don't understand by now that it's all about South Africa, I don't know what planet you're from. (edit) Some people dream of being great roller ballers. I dream of being a better propagandist than Dick Cheney. In the US, boys can dream, and act on that dream. (edit) Unless someone blasts them in the face with some pellets?

Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations The 5 UN Security Council permanent members are generally the largest arms dealers: Arms sales (agreements), by Supplier, 2001-2008 (in billions of constant 2008 U.S. dollars) Supplier Total Sales in US Dollars (billions) Percent of total sales United States 154.882 41% Russia 63.823 17% France 31.247 8% United Kingdom 26.914 7% China 10.125 3% Germany 16.261 4% Italy 11.053 3% Other European 40.291 11% Others 22.849 6% The US amount is split roughly 50/50 between developing and industrialized countries. Source: Richard F. Grimmett, CRS Report for Congress; Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations, 2001-2008 September 4, 2009 But if you look at the trend lines (2001-2008) here, http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business the growth is in developing nations. A big benefactor of globalization is the arms trade. (edit) A report from the World Policy Institute released mid-2005 has found that the U.S. is routinely funneling military aid and arms to undemocratic nations. In 2003, for which the most recent data was available at the time, * The United States transferred weaponry to 18 of the 25 countries involved in active conflicts; * More than half of the top 25 recipients of U.S. arms transfers in the developing world (13) were defined as undemocratic by the State Department; * When countries designated by the State Department’s Human Rights Report to have poor human rights records or serious patterns of abuse are factored in, 20 of the top 25 U.S. arms clients in the developing world in 2003—a full 80%—were either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses.

Farflung posited " One is a very traceable ransom and the other is an accounting nightmare of tiny sources from across the country. " So, the current hacker schemes of siphoning small dollar amounts from large numbers of credit cards doesn't make sense? What exactly is an accounting nightmare? Why do you need accountants?

I was at a thrift store, and in an old box, I found some photos. Amazingly, one was from when DB Cooper landed in the scary woods. I believe after lighting a cigarette, he immediately took a picture. Attached. I now agree with Jerry. Those woods look scary.

I was wondering about something that might be modelled with some kind of economic theory. How many coverups can be sustained at any one time in the United States? 100? 1000? 10,000? 1,000,000? I'm wondering how big the secret network of US citizens has to be, to investigate them all. Or does someone run triage? Who? (edit) See what I'm thinking, is that there's a tipping point, where something goes from coverup, to just institutionalized behavior..i.e. that's just how we do things. Where is the tipping point? (edit) Another thing: there's this implicit belief that "trust" has value (economic or otherwise). In a world with no privacy, does "trust" get devalued to 0? (there is no reason for "trusted" control of info, since there is no private info). Or does "trust" get valued even higher? And based on something other than exchange of info? See I'm getting out of the "untraceable" email address business (the FBI, even though they can get any record they want, is unable to trace the email addresses I sell) I want to sell trust. I don't know what price to put on it. Orange1?

Dick Cheney has discovered that our government is up to some nefarious misdeeds 1) Obama is going to give terrorists the rights of Americans, let them lawyer up and read them their Miranda rights. 2) Obama is going to bring the mastermind of 9/11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court. 3) Obama is going to close Guantanamo and release the hard-core al Qaeda-trained terrorists still there. This sounds pretty outrageous. I'm reminded of the Declaration of Independence, when the colonists outlined their complaints against King George. I think Dick is compelling us to Rise Up! for the reasons above. (I believe he said there's some kind of clause that allows the Rise Up! without being charged with terrorism) I can't believe the leader of the purported most powerful nation in the world would do 1-3 above. And Ed Prince is stepping down from Xe? What is going wrong with this world? Hey I noticed that survivalists now call themselves "preppers"..all nice mom and apple pie. How can I make money off them?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/mother_accused.html This was an interesting case in April. The guy probably is/was just stupid. Reed was in Boston on a layover from Las Vegas and was bound for Charlotte, officials said. The materials in his bags apparently eluded detection at the Las Vegas airport and were discovered in Boston only because baggage handlers inadvertently routed his arriving luggage to baggage claim rather than onto his connecting flight. TSA screeners in Terminal B at Logan called State Police at 7:10 a.m. after they said they discovered the following items in Reed's luggage: a locked gun box containing a semiautomatic handgun; a fully loaded gun magazine; several boxes of 9 mm and 7.62 mm ammunition; three model rocket engines containing an explosive mixture; military fuses; electronics kit boxes with various components; and a hand grenade fuse assembly with detonator." (edit) some more detail, which kind of verifies he's just stupid, but still, the stuff got thru http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/48641557.html They mention "This was the second time in three months that a member of the U.S. military tried to travel on an airline with luggage containing live ammunition."

No one knows. (says Carr) Duane Weber? (edit) I've attached the iconic Robbie Burroughs + parachute shot that led to the unraveling of the staged FBI stunt, which led to Carr showing up on DZ.com, which led to him being discovered trying to maintain the coverup and run off. I've researched the fonts used on the parachute shown, and the font below was only used by three companies: one supplied interoffice memo envelopes to the FBI. There is also a match on a set of rubber stamps used by a insurance company that Duane Weber worked for, but I believe that is just coincidence.

Farflung: "Having piles of cash is in fact no big deal as long as it stays buried and used extremely sparingly, as in - no changie your life style. Perhaps I'm wrong and should break out the 'ol shovel. " The drug industry is the modern example of having to deal with large volumes of cash. It's amazing the caches of bills they discover constantly in Mexico. And you know this crazy case, right? Franz Felhaber (started happening in 2005) He's stilling trying to exchange his weird money. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/jul/28/business/chi-franz-felhaber-080728-ht The businessman arrived at the Treasury Department carrying a suitcase stuffed with about $5.2 million in petrified, nearly unrecognizable bills. He asked to swap it for a cashier’s check. Money like this normally arrives after a bank burns or a vault floods. It doesn’t just show up at the visitor’s entrance on a Tuesday morning. But Franz Felhaber’s banking habits had stopped making sense to the government long ago. For years, authorities say, he and his family have popped in and out of U.S. banks, looking to change about $20 million in decaying $100 bills for clean cash

I did that once Snow, back in 72. She had the glasses and all that. We did a lot of research. 377 :) When I was in college I worked at a library. My friend married a librarian. Met her windsurfing. She was/is kinda hot, actually.

I'd fly that airline if fares reflected lowered security costs. Stupid FAA TSA made CARGO carriers do reinforced cockpit door mods which in many cases cost well into six figures per plane. More weight, higher fuel burn for the rest of the plane's life, etc etc. Any creative engineer could get a bomb past TSA screening. Modified laptop batteries could have small lithium cells to do a powerup if asked and the rest could be C4. It wouldn't be hard to get the x ray image to look OK. Etc. etc. Trains often carry more passengers per vehicle than planes, but planes carry the wealthy. TSA makes a half hearted attempt to control train security but they get real serious about planes. 377 You could make passengers change clothes to bunny suits and no carryon, and you would still have problems. remote wireless communication with checked luggage is easy nowadays. You just need a passenger with a trigger, if he really wants to off himself. Put the bomb in checked luggage. It's amazing how many billions are being spent on this screening stuff. It just seems economically unfeasible. I can't see how it gets maintained unless it's all state supported (i.e. doesn't come from direct passenger fees)

Smokey the Bear had Ranger training then. He was not a Polar Bear and consequently did not take Arctic Smoke Jumper training with Duane. Duane earned his jump wings at ADAK, class of 67. Windy cold bitch of a DZ, but it bred tough jumpers. Jo posts all these Ranger pictures and then says that she never claimed Duane was pictured among them. So why post them? Why post anything? Sometimes I REALLY wonder if Jo knows that forest rangers and Army Rangers are not the same animal. You do know that don't you Jo? The first are civilians who tend parks, the latter are combat soldiers. 377 The only thing I wonder about, is how long it took everyone to agree Jo was actually kind of nuts. Why so long?

Farflung: "Other than the Patricia Hearst "Grocery Ransom" has anyone ever escaped with a pile of cash?" it's all in the thread. see the biggest bank robbery in WA (the "trenchcoat robbers") http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3259613;search_string=builder;#3259613 I'm starting to think you've not read the entire thread. reposting from above Read this account of the trenchcoat guys. Biggest US bank take. $4,461,681. In Ckret's territory, and Seafirst bank, but before Ckret was there? (1997). The money weighed 355 lbs. wow. (edit) Link went poof since I posted before. New links. First from The New Yorker, July 8, 2002 by Alex Kotlowitz http://alexkotlowitz.com/03_02.html court case http://207.41.19.15/Web/newopinions.nsf/4bc2cbe0ce5be94e88256927007a37b9/76337dc6ef5f316788256927007a7428?OpenDocument How did they get caught? Wife bitching to the builder. Note that paying in cash in paper bags was fine. Bitching wasn't fine. Also shows that our ideas of difficulty in "passing money" might be misinformed? "They hired a local builder, Michael Senty, and with him designed a three-level, cedarlog home by the water. Penney paid Senty mostly in cash, in fifty and hundred dollar bills, wrapped in rubber bands and delivered in brown lunch bags. "I was led to believe that she inherited the money," Senty said. .... By the spring of 1996, the Lake Superior home was almost complete. Penney hounded Senty about the final adjustments so relentlessly that, angered by her badgering, he placed an anonymous call to the Internal Revenue Service and reported that a woman named Myra Penney had paid for a home in Hovland entirely in cash." IRS guy followed up on the anonymous tip and figured out the builder. Rest was history.