snowmman

I masturbate whenever Georger posts.

amazon: 'Dont let your ego overload your supposed "knowledge"' I agree. I don't know anything. There was some comments about what's a serious or good post, and what's not. If I post what's in my head, and the feedback is: "not a good post"...well, no more of that!

Here's just one thing, that touchs on my comments about people with interesting lives. After [what I believe was] his first marriage ended in divorce, and his life was bottoming out, and he was struggling to get a job, I think (can't prove it, but indirectly suggested) that he got a job working as the ride operator for the Bubbleator at the 1962 Seattle World's Fair. Now you can laugh at me, and Sluggo can go on about Larch Mtn and fresh cemetaries for burying money. But that really intrigued me. As an example of focus, I dug up the actual music they played while people were on the Bubbleator and listened to it, including the narrator. I tried to imagine what it would be like, being the guy operating the ride, listening to that narrator and music, day after day, knowing your life was at a bottom. Then I went back and had sex with nuns. (edit) In terms of "biases"...there are things 377 and Orange1 would respond to, and things I would respond to. It's interesting to see that happen (like I see what things 377 mentions as "bullets").

as I noted, I think all the data points to Cooper landing in the Columbia. On the other hand, part of this thread, is just finding interesting history. We've continually discovered that history is not as we thought it was (at least I did). I've also realized, that most skydivers don't have a full view of skydiving history. (at least those that have showed up on this thread). I've also realized, that the FBI, represented by what I've read in the newspaper accounts, and Ckret, and secondhand stuff from guys like Jerry Thomas and interviews of Himmelsbach, seems very lame to me. Maybe even still! (note my comments about Zazi). In any case, here's an intriguing thing. Last Nov, when I still thought Ckret actually was serious about this investigation, I passed this guy's name, thru 377, to Ckret. Never heard anything. But weirdly, shortly after that, the guy made a posting saying "the fbi thought I was D.B. Cooper" (edit) the guy has written a lot, and this was the first and only reference ever, to DBC..which added to my intrigue. So I was always intrigued...Did Ckret contact him? I dunno? (edit) If Ckret did contact him, then it meant Ckret was lying to us about there being no investigation. I never understand WTF Ckret was doing anyhow. It's like he's either incredibly simple-minded, or just a bad liar. Or was he responding to his view of an attempted contact (thru email) by 377? Intriguing. You don't normally find people with an appropriate C.V., that say "the fbi thought I was D.B. Cooper". As 377 notes, he would know a LOT more about the history and times of 1971 than any of us. But I suspect he wouldn't be interested in talking to a bunch of nuts like us. It would take a master like Bruce to actually pull off a conversation with this guy. Neither 377 nor I would be up to the task. The thing is: real people in the real world have complicated lives. They don't deserve to be exposed to nutcases like Jo and Jerry and Sluggo, just because they have interesting lives. The whole thing reminded me of how complicated the world is. It also provided an example, of how our thinking about what's unique and what's not, (Cooper theories) is just wrong. And no matter how much people post, it's all about their biases. Not any evidence. Because there is no evidence, and never will be, no matter how much Sluggo likes to pretend the Nuclear Regulatory Agency has anything to do with science. But yeah, if we can dredge Bruce up, get his computer working intermittently again, tape up the light over his desk with one leg propped up with a telephone book, it would be cool to see if he could pull off a conversation.

from a pissed-off commercial pilot http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/05/danyluk.pilot.complaint/index.html Change happens, when normal folk, who believed in the system and were perfectly agreeable to "go along with the program" because they thought that was the way to help....realize that the program is bullshit, and that "going along" is actually a fail plan. (edit) he mentions "testing" "I'm left with the sickening sense that after 9/11, the government spent horrific amounts of money to create the "mother of all" pre-mishap plans, but never effectively tested it."

377 asked "How did you do it? How did I miss this guy while doing similar searches? " I sleep with many women who engage in deviant sex practices with me. Why? How does everyone else do it?

People like to imply they are "more rational" or "more something" than someone else. It always puzzles me that their actions belie their claim. Truly if one was "more", then the mosquito buzzing in the air wouldn't matter. If one is truly a monk with mastery of one's mind, does it matter if the forest has trees, larch or otherwise? Is there no such thing as a test? Tests are not allowed? It would be better to say "I just prefer not" if that is the right answer.

science is good. eventually creates web pages we can read and learn from. I'm not sure why this forum would be impeding science. Is this forum part of the science? Can this forum actually find new stuff relating to DB Cooper and Flight 305? How does that work? There's an implication of failure here. I don't see the failure. Should we have done more science? What would that look like? test tubes? reading books? measuring distances between Larch Mountains? how have we failed the scientists? I declare "Success!" Prove me wrong. Do it for Charlie. (edit) re: "slow pace of science" I think only slow scientists would say that. Fast scientists would say "Science is more fun, and faster paced than the slow scientists cause it to be" Here's to fast science! Let the slow people be run over!

It's an amazing thing when one realizes one can never be banned. There's a feeling of omnipotence. Almost like doing something humans shouldn't be able to do, like fly. I can post right here, right after this period, anything I want. Or nothing. Now back to Gorillas. Why isn't Sluggo talking about Gorillas? Why is there a Larch Mountain coverup, and 377 has been implicated? Here's my problem with people bragging about "training". Training doesn't teach you the "be here now" of reality. There is a Gorilla in the room right now. Be Here Now. What is the right response? The right response is to start banning people until the Gorilla is dead. Let it begin. The Larch Mountain Massacre. It won't stop until more progress is made. I want a body count. We will not make progress unless we have a body count. I am glad so much progress has been made. The tower will only reach completion when the last piece Chromated Cooper Arsenate (CCA) pressure-treated larch, with 0.40 pounds of preservative per cubic foot of wood, is bolted into place, the flag of the great nation of Lithuania flying from the top, with a puking base jumper balanced nervously atop, about to mutter those immortal words...."See ya!" I would remind the "pretenders" at the "Science Team" that the CSG is the only civilian group approved by the FBI and CIA (see youtube) and I control it. I would hope the "Science Team" would not continue to try to deceive the paying public in this regard. (edit) re: the apparent 3 or 4 books being written. My book, will be targetting coffee tables, and approximately 700 pages. I hope that it will be warmly received. (edit) Farflung: a thoughtful examination of the question "Will larch replace pressure treated wood?" is here: http://www.joneakes.com/cgi-bin/getdetailscals.cgi?id=1702

I'm looking at those red lights Georger posted, and they seem like they'd be visible from directly above. They aren't focused horizontally, like Farflung posted. They seem omnidirectional. Thoughts?

snow troll forgot to attach the photos at the bottom of the page he quoted from - here is one of the photos - looks like lights to me but on this forum who knows? Maybe you wont see them? who cares - Ah okay. Thanks Georger. So there are definitely lights on the larch tower in Poland. I still don't see what Sluggo was complaining about. I don't think we missed any gorillas??

more temporary ski jumps built in stadiums. We could built a wooden tower to the moon..we just don't want to show off! China on the other hand: all ego! I do believe I see Duane in the picture from Multnomah Civic Center. (these are even better photos than the previous..just stunning in their insanity) (edit) I'm thinking of skateboard kids who just want a little park and we complain. If they saw these things, they'd storm the White House! (edit) details of the Multnomah temporary ski jump event: "According to the Ski Jumping Hill Archive, this jump was erected by the Cascade Ski Club during the Rose Festival in 1953. The ski jump was built at Civic Stadium, and at its highest point was 47 meters (154 feet) above the field. Four “ice powder machines” cranked out 200 tons of artificial snow, which lasted all week despite some classic Rose Festival weather: warm rain during the evenings. The winner of the ski jumping competition, after four rounds, was Portlander Arne Hoel, with a best jump distance of 131 feet. This shouldn’t be too surprising, since Arne Hoel, competing for Norway, had finished sixth in the individual large hill ski jump at the 1952 Winter Olympics in Oslo." "Thousands of Portlanders saw these jumps that packed the stadium stands in two successive Rose Festivals. One year I was the starter at the top of the in-run sending them on their way. The program closed with fireworks launched from the scaffolding. The manager warned me to run down the inrun walk right after the last jumper as it wouldn’t be safe during the fireworks launch. The first night I stayed on top to watch the show. From that point it looked rather dangerous, so the second night I followed advice and got down to the ground. When that year’s winner, Arne Hoel, left to return to Norway, I ended up with his downhill skis. Those were great Rose Festival shows in the stadium. I probably went to most of them, beginning in the very early 1930s." from http://ourpdx.com/2009/06/remember-the-ski-jump-in-civic-stadium/

Excellent Farflung. I knew you would grasp the import of this. Beyond what you highlight, I had no idea the US was so behind in claims to wood tower heights. Also 1) Has this tower been base jumped? (I would think the world's highest wooden tower, means it's just begging to be jumped? It seems high enough to be safe? 2) Why doesn't some crazy fool in the US build a 400' high wood tower? Maybe the appropriate fools haven't been told of the issue. I saw some great pictures of the golden age of ski jumping. They built downhill ski jumps for stadiums in Chicago and LA all out of wood. Amazing structures. I think Duane may have supervised. Attached photos. 1) A ski jump is readied for competition at Soldier Field, Chicago, 1937 (from FHS Archives). 2) Prefabricated, demountable 180' TECO timber connector-built wooden ski jump tower at Soldier Field, February 1937 (FHS Archives). (I can't believe this was moved around..looks shaky) 3) more chicago 4) LA stadium ski jump (height 165 feet) The US used to be big..I mean look at these ski jumps in the late 30's. What happened that Poland could overtake us? And now the World Cup is in South Africa. I mean, we still have the engineering drawings from the '40s. We can do it! (edit) Did Jo say whether Duane skied? I have the feeling he may have, but kept it secret from Jo? He wore a sweater in one photo.

Does anyone know if the Gliwice tower has lights on it? It's in Poland so I'm not sure. 118 meters -> 387 feet. so pretty tall. Even in South Africa that's tall, and South Africa is closer to the center of the earth. (which only matters for commercial wooden towers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliwice_Radio_Tower The Gliwice Radio Tower is the transmission tower of the Gliwice, Upper Silesia, Poland, radio station, situated on Tarnogórska Road in Szobiszowice. It is an 118-metre high (including the 8 metre long spire on its top) construction of impregnated larch wood framework. The tower was nicknamed "the Silesian Eiffel Tower" by the local population, although the similarities are minor. Gliwice Radio Tower has four platforms, which are 40.4 m, 55.3 m, 80.0 m and 109.7 m above ground. The platform on its top has a size of 2.13 x 2.13 m. For access to its top, there is a ladder with 365 steps. Gliwice Radio Tower is perhaps the tallest wooden structure in the world. It is designed to carry aerials for medium wave broadcasting, but the transmitter is not in service any more. Gliwice Radio Tower was built in 1935 in order to replace the former smaller transmitter of Gliwice situated in Raudener Street. It went in service on 23 December 1935. On 31 August 1939, the Germans staged a 'Polish' attack on Gleiwitz radio station, which was later used as justification for the Invasion of Poland. The transmission facility was not demolished in World War II. From 4 October 1945, until the inauguration of the new transmitter in Ruda n 1955, the Gliwice transmitter was used for medium wave broadcasting of the Polish Broadcasting Company. After 1955, the transmitter was used as a jammer against medium wave transmitters broadcasting Western Polish-language programmes, e.g. Radio Free Europe. The medium wave transmitter is no longer workable, because the final stage is missing. Today, the Gliwice Radio Tower carries multiple transceiver antennas for mobile phone services and a low power FM transmitter.

Charlie died Sept 17, 2009. Was he murdered? Charlie was born in 1970, one year before Duane hijacked 305. There are pictures of Charlie there. I'm going to make him my avatar. http://www.kptv.com/news/20976512/detail.html POSTED: 7:18 pm PDT September 17, 2009 UPDATED: 10:27 am PDT September 18, 2009 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Charlie, the patriarch of the Oregon Zoo's chimpanzees, died unexpectedly Thursday afternoon, zoo officials said. Charlie was 39 years old. A volunteer noticed Charlie was in distress around 2 p.m. Veterinarians and animal-care staff rushed to the scene but four female chimpanzees were surrounding Charlie, zoo officials said in a news release. It took several minutes to get the females away and Charlie was already dead when veterinarians got to him. "We thought we'd have another 20 years," said Dave Thomas, senior primate keeper. "It's the end of an era and the zoo will never be the same. We have to go on though -- to provide care and support for our remaining females: Delilah, Leah, Coco and Chloe." A memorial event for Charlie is being planned, officials said. Charlie was born in the wild forests of Africa in 1970. He came to the U.S. as a pet and was given to the zoo in 1972. Maybe he was a pet of Duane Weber's?

There's another Larch Mountain in Olympia, WA SW of Tacoma/Ft. Lewis. Is this how Duane knew about Tacoma? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Larch+Mtn,+WA&hl=en&ei=P-9CS5jXFJLUtAOsi7jnCA&sll=46.987319,-123.137648&sspn=0.015224,0.032015&ie=UTF8&view=map&geocode=FTf4zAIdkBGp-A&split=0&ved=0CBIQpQY&hq=&hnear=Larch+Mountain,+Olympia,+Thurston,+Washington+98512&ll=47.089761,-122.794189&spn=0.608685,0.830841&t=h&z=10 It's all coming together I think? Three Larch Mountains. All part of the puzzle, both the crime, and the subsequent coverup.

I think what Sluggo was telling us, is that we were focused on Larch Mountain, WA elevation 3480 ft, the highest free-standing peak in Clark County with a minimum security prison/work camp nearby. But that we should have been investigating Larch Mountain, OR elevation 3452 feet, Washington County, OR. The lookout tower (edit) (well in 1971, gone in '76) and radio tower (unsure in 1971 but 2 there now) is on Larch Mountain, WA and near the flight path (just N or Portland) There is no lookout tower or radio tower on Larch Mountain, OR. That's the Gorilla in the Room. There is no Gorilla. The No-Gorilla is the Gorilla. (edit) Just like there was no Gorilla in the professor's video. Halfway between the two Larch Mountains, is the Oregon Zoo. (in Portland/Beavorton). They have Gorillas there, I believe. The Larch Mountain in OR, while way off the flight path, seems like an even better DZ. More clear area. That's where Duane must have buried the money?? image attached from GE I can't think of any other reason why Sluggo introduced Gorillas here. Here are driving directions between the two http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Larch+Mountain+(Clark+County,+Washington)&daddr=Larch+Mountain+(Washington+County,+Oregon)&hl=en&geocode=CaG2vsBL1XUuFeyVuQIdcuq1-CGP3bl9AvhasA%3BFY20uAIdCqek-CER4MdzX4q__w&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=45.615874,-122.757439&sspn=1.250639,1.661682&ie=UTF8&ll=45.614037,-122.860107&spn=1.250682,1.661682&t=h&z=9&dirflg=d That's why Duane couldn't remember where he buried the money. He was looking on the wrong Larch Mountain.

377 said "Your story has a lot of initial appeal to the Cooper newbies. Use that to your advantage. It is useless here, we are all jaded." I think a lot of the appeal is that she's a woman and there's the dying deathbed thing. If she was a guy, she wouldn't have been able to get so much mileage out of this. Look at poor Gossett. They had to trot out his ex-wife, and she did the best she could, but nothing compared to Jo. Remember: Gossett confessed too, as did my dog. (edit) I had to remind her, I can tell she's a she, without checking. (edit) all 3 of my dogs are female, so I get to have an opinion about females. I saw a human female once at the truckstop, but I didn't slow down, so I didn't get a good look. (edit) Found a clip of Duane Weber's ranger team on a beach landing training mission http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkpsNw3oM0Q Clip of Duane Weber firing a howitzer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_GfE8PP1E&feature=related

377 you're full of shit. I've got the goods on him. An OGA had me wired when we talked. partial transcripts: Snowmman "So, what's with this DBC thread thing on DZ.com...I mean how can you hold your head up at the DZ?" 377: Snowmman "What? What? Tell me?" 377: Snowmman "You're screwing someone?" 377: Snowmman "You're screwing something?" 377: "You got that right, I'm screwing them all. I'm making so much off this DBC thread, that when everyone jumps for free, for a year, I don't think I'll have to worry much about my rep at the DZ" There was a topo map of Larch Mtn in the backseat of his car.

responding to Jo's post about Georger. Georger did not send me this as PM. I mean the PM was not from Georger who didn't send it to me. Sympathy For DBC (Georger/Duane) Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste I've been around for a long long year stolen many man's soul and faith I was around when Jesus Christ had His moment of doubt and pain Made damn sure that Pilate washed his hands and sealed His fate Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game Stuck around St. Petersburg when I saw it was a time for a change Killed the Tzar and his ministers, Anastasia screamed in vain I rode a tank held a gen'rals rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name. Oh yeah Ah what's puzzling you is the nature of my game. Oh yeah I watched the glee while your kings and queens fought for ten decades for the Gods they made I shouted out "Who killed the Kennedy's?" when after all it was you and me Let me please introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste And I lay traps for troubadors who get killed before they reach Bombay Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name. Oh yeah But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game. Oh yeah Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game Just as every cop is a criminal and all the sinners, Saints as heads is tails, just call me Lucifer 'cause I'm in need of some restraint So if you meet me, have some courtesy have some sympathy and some taste Use all your well learned politesse or I'll lay your soul to waste Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game

Why did everyone stop posting about Larch Mountain. Is there a coverup? Did someone get to someone? Is Larch Mountain the key to Weber, like 377 said? (base jump training?) I can't figure it out.

Sluggo said "But a serious post is a veritable WOW! Signal. " I thought most of the posts were serious. Which one was more serious? Which one are you referring to, Sluggo? The last time I asked for an example of a "good" post, someone started with Larch Mtn. We left that not even agreeing what Larch Mtn we were talking about. So was that a good post or a bad post. Serious or non-serious. Where are we on the Cooper investigation? I hear there's this guy Duane Weber who may have been involved. You know it's kind of amazing, no matter how much drivel we all write, we all read it. Mostly because this thread has nothing to do with Cooper. Even when Ckret was posting. I wonder what his problem was? Coming here, but then adamantly claiming Cooper had nothing to do with skydiving. Is Ckret posting on some monster truck site somewhere? Should we go looking for him? Or maybe on a tower site? Anyone being asking about tower lights on a forum somewhere recently? Hey: Will anyone admit to shooting out tower lights (and at what height?)

Could be. Here's a bunch of suicide-by-aircraft stories. Check out the June 3-4 2002 one. The guy crashes a helicopter into a house, and when released from the hospital the next day, he grabs his 172 and finishes the job. Quite a few of the suicides were people who were facing criminal charges. I wonder if the FBI looked at that angle. http://charlesorourke.com/suicide-by-airplane/ interesting. Or religion. from that site: June 29, 1993 -- Gambell, Saint Lawrence Island, Alaska A female passenger on a Piper Chieftain operating as Bering Air Flight 4660 (N4112D) deplaned upon arrival at Gambell, and then intentionally thrust her buttocks into the arc of the moving propeller. The propeller struck the woman's bottom and legs several times before sending her flying. As she received first aid, she exclaimed, "God told me to do this, I will not die!" She admitted during treatment that she had attempted suicide by walking into the propeller, and she tested negative for alcohol and drugs. The NTSB listed "the person's psychological condition" as a factor in the accident. (Source: NTSB)

Yeah that's a good point. I'm thinking of other situations, and the "I'm dead" thought never occurred. I think the difference is that I had no mental plan, and so had nothing to do for the unexpected. So I had room for that thought. In a jump emergency, I can imagine you want all sorts of mental training to kick in, and there's always one more thing you can try...so there really should be no room in your brain for any thought like that. Unless it's something hugely unexpected. But maybe it's pretty rare that someone lives to tell about the hugely unexpected thing, where he was saved thru something he had no part in. I guess it happens though. Goal is to never be in that situation though! Unless you're Ms. EMO, I guess.