VectorBoy

Yes and its fair to say that it can't be a bite, tongue, blow switch. It would not be that hard to run something down a sleeve for fingers like portable aviation PTT switches.

That is something that will be needed for the large formations planned. Of course it will have to installed in a helmet with better mic protection. Oxygen?

The solution is very simple Yuri. If the idea/theory/prototype is worth investigating then do it! If you think the body of knowledge and capabilities of the wingsuit are stagnating then lead the way in opening new frontiers yourself. If you feel you are not getting the moral support for your theoretical contributions to the forum. And lets face it I say theoretical because there was nothing of demonstratable value associated with them, not to be harsh just factual. Then don't come here looking for support until the product /project is finished. I looked at the links in the RC forums you posted I didn't see anybody complaining, I saw a lot of doing! I don't think Yves Rossy gets mad and runs off to his workshop saying "I'll show those WS forum slugs"! He just does it, did it, will do it some more. I don't think your attitude will help you gain a sponsor, if thats what you need. Yuri go ahead show me something amazing and I'll be your biggest fan

Now that you post it Kris is going to investigate the source of the reaction.

You know I couldn't pass that up, Buddy I actually have it up as my screen saver right now. And you haven't graduated past the sock puppet master...

Righteous! I knew I could get that picture posted with a simple comment.

Not gay! No scallops for me. Although I do have pink suit envy from time to time.

you are one of those selective readers, for real i would give a fuck about all your opinions.. you're only successful in making me think you're a dumbass that luckily just happens to have appropriate jumpnumbers, but probably lacks all other characteristics that would qualify you as an intelligent and reasoned human being. so, instead of bashing me for, about a hundred posts already, answer or discuss the question i threw out! .

what have i gotten into!! Your not a wingsuiter yet. You've only jumped a prodigy a real rebel would already have antenae based a borrowed s6 by now.

its OK I won't share with him what you pm'd me in private either.

Damn Glen, line um up and smack them down! Though I tend to agree... Scott C. You are supposed to send that in a PM so nobody else can see. Like the ones I get all of time " dude the entire forum hates you for saying that but I love you and agree with what you say".

The only thing Im for is trying to make the sport as safe as can be by making sure people have a certain minimal amount of experience. But I guess some people see that differently.. Trust me I'm not advocating premature jump number wingsuit flights. But you do realize most people flying wingsuits want to make the sport safer and they would also not advocate this. This idealism is not the sole domain of select wingsuit instructors. And be aware it does not happen that often as most new jumpers are trying to swoop too soon, or free fly too soon so they spend resources trying to get there. Spending money on camera helmets ( freeflyer) and tiny canopys (swooper) that they can use on every jump instead of a wingsuit. By the time most individuals come to wingsuits they have, on average, more than enough experience, or jump numbers rather. You say you want to make the sport safer and I believe you do. So do the best applicant assessment -informational ground course you can give. ( again I'm sure you do ) But don't even pretend to kid yourself about anything that happens on the practical or a false sense of superhuman ability to correct it if the practical does go bad.

I like the picture of the month 10/04 where G is lounging on the back wing of some wingsuit. Anice! She was so stoked when Diablo showed her how to do that.

Its called common sense.... If someone has 80 jumps, thats more then enough info for me to know that person is not ready skillswise. If someone is asking too many (irrelevant) questions and so nervous you can shove a coal up his/her ass and get a diamond back in 5 minutes...then its probably also wise to tell them to wait out a bit longer... Yes those are all valid but blatent and extreme examples that even someone without a rating would not miss. Whats your plan for the respected veteran skydiver with experience that gets through your BMI vulcan mind scan clean and then worm holes the exit and nearly becomes a klingon,... Doctor?

....its not just about being able to tell people how to do something. Making sure they are ready (be it mentaly or skill-wise) to perform sayd task safely is a huge part of that... ... So now you are a wingsuit instructor/psychologist? Did you earn that degree in a six year accredited program or the half day session with patches instead of diplomas? You know as skydivers we're all a little crazy, its what makes us cute and cuddly. I'm just not gunna pretend to be aware of just how crazy you sum'bitches are. I'll be your bartender at best never your head shrink.

I know people who at (lower then recomended) jump numbers decided to take a book as a guide... .... NO they didn't. They read the book and then they disregarded the jump number guidlines. Disregarding something you read in the manual : be it jump numbers, canopy type, deployment system is not using the book for instruction. ......... Thank you,....... next caller!

Lets say someone with 10,000 jumps comes up to a wingsuit instructor and wants a first flight. Even though they have enough skydiving experience to skip the instructor part and just throw on a suit they are smart enough to want a little formal training. The ground portion is short and sweet with just the facts needed. The applicants experience insures there are no "off the wall" questions asked. The in air portion goes unstable right out the door. Recovery techniques and muscle memory are counter intuitive and there is nothing the very experienced instructor could do to assist the otherwise, very experienced student. A miracle happens the student gets stable maybe pulls high lands and swears never to wingsuit again. Although very rare, this actual event has happened even though they had the very best and very thorough ground instruction, and well fitting suit suitable for fist flights. Really the only thing you can hold the instructor accountable for is the ground instruction. Its impossible to judge a students suitability 100% of the time.

Someone doing something for the first time under the guidance of another who is believed to be informed or experienced is trusting that person to tell them what they don't know or tell them simple shit, like don't do X, it will get you killed,hurt,maimed,etc. the person providing information needs to realize that what they say/don't say to that trusting person could turn out as innocent as " I wish you would of told me that BEFORE I did X " and in the worse case it could result in someone hurting or killing themselves. When you step into the role of an instructor or are in a position of giving advise to someone else YOU take on those additional responsibilities as a human being. To not think about (to include their skills/abilities)or have that other persons well being in mind when providing them with information is as DSE stated "It's easy to say "he knows/knew the risks" but if the student/person isn't properly informed, it's just rationalized bullshit". Quote Well hopefully anybody giving advice ( instructor or otherwise) isn't giving bogus info on purpose. But you can write a very thick flight information manual with glossy pictures , hell make it a interactive DVD with questions and answer option menu. Put everything in it about wingsuit instruction that needs to be in it and nothing that shouldn't be. Call it official. Sell it for $20 plus shipping and handling or be a humanitarian and put it up for free on skydiving movies. Wouldn't that absolutley cure all of the possible problems out there for new comers? The gospel and nothing but! Simple huh.

Did someone steal your sign on?

Yuri you lost me at Yo,

Don't we all?

Completely agree Tony and it is disturbing, exactly!

Who is responsible if the "instructor" isn't fully informed, isn't trained as an instructor, or is self-taught but is perhaps missing part of the program? Is it the fault of the student for not knowing what needs to be known prior to the first jump or new technique? Or does the instructor bear some responsibility? It's easy to say "he knows/knew the risks" but if the student isn't properly informed, isn't that just rationalized bullshit? It does not matter. This is not a driving instructor, golf instructor or cooking instructor we are talking about. You are taking your intact living being and thrusting it out of an aircraft. That is some crazy shit and you are responsible for everything about it. And since this is the wingsuit forum and not the instructor (TM or AFF) forum you should realize that your first paragraph describes the majority of the first WS instructors available from the early days, and even some from today. And to put it into perspective we could go out on a mock first flight course where I pretend to flail as a first flight student with the intent that some instructor is going to swoop down straighten me out deploy for me and save my non wingsuit flying ass. Lets give this exercise in futility a hard deck of 6000 feet for my safety. I can cold cash guarantee no WS instructor, no BMI, BMCI, no black belt sky god wingsuit ninja is going to achieve that task. BTW fail that task in a Jay Stokes AFF program and no Rating for you. And I've seen him make very accomplished skydivers cry over this. In the world of AFF instruction that is an expectation. Put us all in wingsuits and not even Jay Stokes himself could take my money before the hard deck! Back to the discussion You want to throw on a wingsuit before the guideline 200 jumps you are responsible. Not the manufacturer. And if you think you want to throw on a wingsuit with 10,000 jumps experience ( more than well within the guidelines) go ahead But you are still responsible. Yeah sure like I got to say that to someone with 10k jumps. No , they know who the responsibility falls on. You!

It does not! Its your life, its your life to loose. Its always, always, always your responsibility. That is a skydiver! Anything else is just a meatball hanging on a TM.

That's because your SO has you on a very short leash. Mine joins me at said boogies and jumps. Thats an assumption only a boogie whore can make. Last year I went to as many camps as you went to boogies. These camps were serious business, professional and dedicated with lots of hard work and focus. Oh and I'm not affraid of the leash, we even have a couple in our basement dungeon.