Belgian_Draft

so you are aware of it, good. Now do you beleive the NIST, that clearly stated that they did not look for explosives, followed the guidelines that the are legally obliged to follow? In other worrds, do you think it is O.K. that an investigation of such a proportion failed to complete the investigation within the guidelines they are bound to follow as an investigation team? First off, are you sure the NIST is legally abliged to follow those guidelines? Let's say they were. What makes you so sure they didn't? Short answers with credible links are ok, 500 word answers with several links to truther sites are not. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You have not addressed it at all you have worked your way around it, here it is again; Ok. Just to make you happy I will address your concerns one at a time. What do you know of the National Fire Protection Association NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations? I have not studied that code for quite a long time, many years ago when i was a volunteer fireman in the small town i grew up in. Are you aware of this publication and what do you make of it? Yes, and refer back to the answer to the previous question Are you calling the National Fire Protection Association idiots? No, why? Have they done something stupid? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Considering the the black box data has recently shown that the flight deck door was never opened during flight, and i speaking of the official black box data obtained from the from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act. how does that seem so rediculous? I have already linked this inforamtion today and once againyou ignored it, how can you expect anyone to take you seriuosly when you refuse to acknowledge vital infromation? Who do you work for and what is your position? It seems your credibilty as a engineering professional is questinable at the least! Did you stop to think i may have other things to do besides leaf through some truther website and try to sort fact from fiction? I will try to look through it and if i do then i will give you my thoughts. OTOH, I thought we were going to address the 911 myths one at a time? What happened to that? Last i heard you still didn't comprehend that aluminum can glow red/orange. If you want i can recommend some basic physics texts that will explain how and why that happens. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

But if you have had trillions of dollars spent on defending the back of your head, and claim to have the most powerful head in the world and you head is the intellegence centre for not only your country but countless military bases around the world and somebody still managed to flick you in the ear. not only would that show tht you are incompetent, but it would also show that you wasted A_SHITLOAD_OF TAX_PAYERS_MONEY, and you should be held accountabe. Now back to my question the you keep evading; You have still not confirmd to us wheter or not you know of the National Fire Protection Association NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations? Are you aware of this and what do you make of it? If you understood this imortant document and what it means to the NIST report, you yourself would question the report. It seems you are willfully ignorant, is it your ego that makes you refrain from commenting on it? I have addressed your question. I'll repeat for the sake of argument. As I said before, there is nothing wrong, improper, or illegal about the investigation. You have been listening to too many idiots. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

hmmm....if this is the section that would apply....Then (C) might apply if they presented a forged or fake invitation or ID. (B) might apply if they actually lied with their mouths when asked any question by the bouncer at the WH. The interesting one is (A) - covering up a material fact (the fact that they were not invited). Assuming they were not asked if they were invited and were asked only their names and they then showed their actual IDs to verify that, did they cover up the fact that they were not invited guests by their silence ? Are they required to volunteer that information, even if they were not specifically asked? And, that still doesn't address the problem of the failure of the verification process by the doorman. That is just what the Service is investigating. If they just showed up and gave their names and were subsequently alwed to pass on in, and they did not lie at any time, then they didn't break any laws. It all hinges on what transpired between them and the guards. Regardless of the outcome in that respect, the Service has a big mess to fix. I'm just happy these people were only publicity hounds and not genuine threats...unless you get to close to that horrendous outfit she was wearing. HIDEOUS! (Iknow, I know. It was traditional styling from India, but it looks like crap on her) BTW, it has now come out that she has claimed to have been a Victoria Secret model and a former Redskins cheerleader. Both establishments have said they never heard of her. Seems she has a habit of lying. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I haven't seen evidence that anything actually struck the Pentagon. If something did strike the Pentagon the question is "how was something allowed to strike our military HQ?" Any ideas? Blues, Cliff You can't be serious. Do you mean to tell me that the damage that was there for all to see....and untold scores of people did see it, thousands worked to repair it.....wasn't really there? That's abit of a stretch. Nothing was "allowed" to hit the Pentagon, but it did. If you come up behind me a smack me in the back of the head, did I allow it? Of course not. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Intent indeed, Prof. Since Squeaky didn't have a round chambered it could be argued that she had no intent on killing or hurting anybody. Intent indeed. If the crashers did not have an invite then they went to the White House fully intent on breaking the law. That is, unless you propose anybody could or would assume crashing a state dinner at the White House would not be illegal in any way. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

So if you aren't saying it was a missile (you haven't said it wasn't) then you must believe that either nothing hit the Pentagon or it wasn't hijacked at all and was flown in by it's own crew. Both are absolutely ridiculous but would make the foundation of a good, but sick, joke. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Two hypotheticals. 1) The hijacker who was in control was not good at precise elevation control and simply missed the roof, if that was where he wanted to hit. 2)The hijacker who was in control was very good at elevation control and hit exactly where he wanted to hit. If it were hit by a missile, as you claim, then why wouldn't the missile go through the roof if that was where it would do the most damage? No matter how hard you try, you can't explain away the dozens of people who watched the plane fly into the Pentagon. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Whether they broke any laws depends on what they told security. If they lied, it is a felony. I doubt if the Service will take it as lightly as people here on SC 18 U.S.C. § 1001 provides that: [w]hoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

ahhh, actually you are the one to be so certain of how they came to fall down, you are the engineer and self proclaimed expert, i simply want another investigaton because the origional one make no sence, is un scientific, based on assumtuon, and completely unlawful. and really it is not an investgation at all, it is simply a perfomance report and a bogus one at that. You have still not conformd to us that you know of the National Fire Protection Association NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations? Are you aware of this and what do you make of it? 1) I never proclaimed to be an expert. I am an engineer who understands the physics behind what happened that day. You are not. That is clear. 2)There is nothing wrong, improper, or illegal about the investigation. You have been listening to too many idiots. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Again Belgian Draft, how could anything hit the Pentagon? Blues, Cliff An airliner takes off, hijackers take over, and they fly it into the Pentagon before defenses could scramble. It's all pretty simple. Who ever would have thought they could ram two aircraft into the towers? Or that some madman could go nuts on a military base and kill a bunch of our soldiers? Or a kid could land a Cessna in Red Square???? We are not invincible. If we learn nothing else from the 9/11 attacks we can never forget that we are not invincible. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You have to PA all the time? What PA? You don't think your posts are good entertainment? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yep - if they are invoked in this case. 99% weasel, with 1% of chickenshit thrown in. So you think there should be no penalty for sneaking into a state dinner at the White House without an invitation? Maybe we should just do away with all laws you think are "chickenshit" or "weasel" then anybody could do pretty much whatever they want wherever they want and whenever they want. I think they should be rewarded for highlighting a very real flaw in White House security without doing any actual harm to anyone. By that reasoning Lynette Fromme should have been let go free and rewarded handsomely. After all, her pistol didn't have a round chanbered, she didn't hurt anyone and pointed out flaws in the Services protection of the President. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Ask rhys or cliff. They know everything about how the Keabler Elves brought down the towers and how the Jolly Green Giant crushed the Pentagon. Makes perfect sense to me. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Gotta hand it to you, Lucky. You may be full of BS 99.9% of the time but it sure is entertaining. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Slow frame rate on the security camera + very high speed airliner + narrow filed of view = one still pic from the camera. Simple. The best evidence against the truthers stupid theory about the Pentagon being hit by a missile and not an airplane is the eyewitness testimony of those who saw it happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wQ2BJsgx0 HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You mean the calls that were made from the phones in the seatbacks? Those calls? Only one or two were made from cell phones and, YES, it was entirely possible even with the stone age technology of the day. What do you make of Barbara Olsens' call to Solicitor General Ted Olsen, Belgian Draft? And wasn't Solicitor Ted the guy who argued for George W's election in front of the Supreme Court ? Blues, Cliff What about it? I am not familiar withit so you'll have to provide some information. CREDIBLE information, not crap from a truthers website. Would you believe me if I told you that just after 9-11 Ted Olsen was on TV telling the nation how his wife had called him collect from Flight 77(pentagon) to tell him her flight had been hijacked and she wanted him to tell her what she should tell the pilots with her and the other passengers in the back of the plane to do? Of course this story by ol' Ted was a mistruth. Inorder to use the air-phone she would have had to swipe her credit card, so why call collect at that point? Later the information was released that flight 77 wasn't even equiped with air phones. The FBI testimony during the Mossoui trial really blew the whole thing out of the water. Ted Olsen was lying!!! So do you believe me ? If not you can look it up. Blues, Cliff No, I don't believe you. Sorry. Sounds like a bunch more BS put out by the truthers. If you have credible sources, show 'em. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yep - if they are invoked in this case. 99% weasel, with 1% of chickenshit thrown in. So you think there should be no penalty for sneaking into a state dinner at the White House without an invitation? Maybe we should just do away with all laws you think are "chickenshit" or "weasel" then anybody could do pretty much whatever they want wherever they want and whenever they want. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You mean the calls that were made from the phones in the seatbacks? Those calls? Only one or two were made from cell phones and, YES, it was entirely possible even with the stone age technology of the day. What do you make of Barbara Olsens' call to Solicitor General Ted Olsen, Belgian Draft? And wasn't Solicitor Ted the guy who argued for George W's election in front of the Supreme Court ? Blues, Cliff What about it? I am not familiar withit so you'll have to provide some information. CREDIBLE information, not crap from a truthers website. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Lying about having an invite is like lying to Congress. If you don't have a real charge to make, you use this weasel law. So now the laws being used to protect the President and Vice-President ar "weasel laws". Nice. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Because it's such a classist nation, it breeds this kind of emotion, at least from poor fuckers like me. Guy's got everything, now it appears he's prolly fucking around on an already fine wife, gets his ass kicked and leaves his what, 30M mansion in his 100k car and crashes. Yeah, you're speculating as usual. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You mean the calls that were made from the phones in the seatbacks? Those calls? Only one or two were made from cell phones and, YES, it was entirely possible even with the stone age technology of the day. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You're right. It appears it was Tiger fucking some chick, his wife figuring it out, a fight ensuing and him getting his ass kicked by her. Then he runs outside and hides in the SUV by locking the doors. She says, 'oh no you di'ent' and gets a club and breaks the back window out., then he hauls ass and is looking backwards for Kujo as he floors it and runs into a hydrant/tree. Now they're not talking. It really is hillarious when multicazzillionaires have problems like all of us. Basically, Tiger should have been wearing a wife-beater instead of a polo shirt and driving a 79 Suburban instead of an 09 Escalade and there we go. Basically your Beverly Hillbillies Tiger-style. Source please. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

But...but...but...they are MUSLIMS If we aren't careful they will build minarets all over the place and block our view of the church steeples. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.