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The paper included all that, but you didn't even take the time to read it before you discredited it, di you? All this because you are acting out of emotion and not commmon sense. It is bizzare that you ask this, when it is clearly published in the journal, Bill askes for evidence of the iron spheres which is also publised in the journal. So not only do you ignore the evidence you also ignore the journal itself, yet you wish to discredit it. You call scientists that have the time and energy to creates shuch a journal idiots, lyers and nutcases, yet you suggest we take you seriously when you havn't even taken the time to read it. You are not worth the energy pal. An you fancy yourself as an engineer, what a joke. Yes, i read the paper. Ask any other engineer or scientist if they would take seriously any paper that bases its conclusions on samples from an untracable origin. You won't find any. The spheres your buddy found and reported on are from the concrete in the WTC and not from any sort of thermitic explosive or incendiary. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

iron spheres are produced by melting iron, the melting point of iron is what Bill? or how else do you suggest the spheres were formed.? you asked for evidence of the spheres, I gave it to you then you get on with your straw man argument based on ignorance. that is quite expected however, but I did show you what you asked for. Do you think the iron spheres came from the WTC? Do you honestly think there is nothing in the surrounding area that could produce them? Let me give you a hint: The WTC buildings were iron structures. Iron structures that were welded. Welding steel is done by...now pay attention...melting steel. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I don't have to prove it, and I never made that claim...I only raised the possibility. In the world of scientific examination and reporting it is up to the writer to provided enough information so that the experiment can be independently reproduced to verify the results. The source of the samples is enough to cast doubt. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Have you done as I suggested and taken a sample to be tested? Before calling somebody a liar i would suggest you have hard evidence. Your uneducated attempts at interpreting test results is not sufficient to call anybody a liar. Explosives that can be detonated with a torch are VERY easy to set off. Most just burn when exposed to flame. So you are saying that an administration that is so inept it cannot keep the identity of it's undercover personel secret somehow managed to convince hundreds of people to remain silent after killing 2500+ of their own citizens? Ok, I won't. But isn't that just what you are attempting to do? It is a good example of how dangerous self-educated people can be when their education barely scratches the surface of what they truly need to have a full understanding of what they are talking about. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

How about you reply to his evidence that you specifically asked for. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/table_1.html or are you going to ignore it completely. I find it difficult to descibe ingnorance without using the term ignorant. When someone ignores something repeatedy , like you have in this debate, how do you suggest I describe that dimenour? If I can be called a nut job, a tin hatter, or an idiot over and over when these claims are unsubstanciated, and unchallenged, it does seem a little one sided when I point out verifiable actions of someone and I am warned about it while blatent PA based on nothing but emotions is overlooked. Exactly what do you think that chart shows, rhys? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

What do you think I have been talking about? You are too busy assuming those red and grey chips are naothermite, and that they were not mixed into the samples after collection, to accept any other explanation. Answer these questions: IF your nanothermite is so explosive and easy to ignite, why is there so much undetonated that it is everywhere around the sight? How did it get in place? Why did it not detonate when the aircraft struck? Why has not one single person out of the hundreds it would take to pull this off come forward with information? Why is it every time one of your theories is disproven you refuse to accept the facts and come up with an even more fantastic theory? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

-Maybe she didn't have a credit card handy. It is quite possible she had placed her purse in an overhead compartment and could not get to it readily. -In any major disaster you will find things that seem to defy logic. I was helping clean up after a tornado several years ago when we found a litter of kittens safe and sound in the corner of what used to be a barn. While everything around them foe several hundred feet was destroyed-including several hogs and cattle-the kittens were unharmed. No shocking revelation that a passport was found intact. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Such as what? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Not a strawman argument since it directly attacks the basis of your proposed evidence. Spelling is a very good indicator of education and knowledge. We can and we have. I have already told you to grab some dirt and get it tested. Most likely it contains at least a trace of similar material and almost certainly contains all the elements. Bill has given you a link to where the stuff is manufactured commercially. Does it exist in the debris? The only evidence of that is from you paper which, by the way, fails to stand up to accepted standards of practice for aquisition and handling of samples. Your paper also does nothing to prove it actually IS a commercially made thermite product intended for use as an explosive. Yes, and we need only your threads & posts to remind us of that. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

It is quite amusing watching you, who can't even spell, try to debate science with Bill. It is somewhat like a paper airplane taking on a F-16 fighter. You want proof that your little particles are found everywhere? Reach down, grab some dirt, and have it analyzed. Then report back here what you found. I bet you find silica, aluminum, aluminum oxide, iron, iron oxide, carbon,....... HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Fe2O3 Ferric Oxide Rust HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

The way in which the evidence was collected means the entire paper means absolutely nothing relating to the WTC. The substances studied are not anything unusual. You have been challenged repeatedly to give YOUR explanations, yet you always and still evade doing so. Here's your chance! Time to put up! HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Who here would like to see Rhys describe dynamic gas-phase condensation or the pulsed plasma process in his own words? I would, I think it'd be awesome. Shall we have a poll? Aye! But we all know he won't because he doesn't know a thing about the technology. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

-Depends on your definition of uniform and what tolerence you allow for variance. It is completely subjective. -It only seems unlikely because you do not understand how it can happen. Go take some chem classes at your local university. -Tha samples are questionable because there is no documentation to show they were collected as claimed. Just because some guy says he collected a sample from his laundry room next a a window doesn't mean he actually did. For all we know these suppliers of the samples could be buddies of yours who conspired to supply real dust samples they later contaminated to intentionally decieve the public. That is far more likely than anything you have suggested. -Being that these men have associated themselves with crackpots I hesitate to acknowledge anything they write. -Nice picture.

Ok then sherlok, show us one example of these types of particles existing 'together' that are uniform in size, shape and composition and bound in a carbon matrix. On one side here i getting, this is paint, and on the other side i am getting these are naturally occuring substances. neither arguments are acknowledging that Nanothermite is only produced by dynamic gas-phase condensation or the pulsed plasma process. Once again showing thier complete ignorance. I have given you the recources to know this stuff, but you don't wish to acknowledge it. why? Anyplace metals and organics are incinerated together will have these particles in many sizes including ~100nm. You have NOT given any resources to "know this stuff". You have given sources of extremely subjective material that is based on questionable samples. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

so you are saying that these elements are in abundence everywhere in uniform shapes and only 100 nanometres in length? NIST says this is paint, you say it is residue. neith of you acknowledge the 'nano' aspect of the evidence, it is there for you to study. and it is there for you to refute. yet you choose to continue to ignore this fact as your theory is renered useless once you do. UNIFORM paticles 100 Nano metres across. UNIFORM and very very small, meaning they were costructed with advance technology. Try again. Show me you peer reiviewed journal that refutes it, not simple words ignoring the FACTS. Yes, particles such as described are in abundance virtually everywhere. Just because you don't know why or how (or wearing a foil hat) does not make the fact go away. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That is one spoiled kitty. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

It explains that those that have taken the time look at the components of the dust in great detail have discovered red grey chips, these red grey chips ate composed of iron oxide and aluminum plates that are very uniform and about 100 nanometres in width. They ignite with a blow torch and the ignite with a laser. The byproduct of thermite is iron spheres (also found in abundence in the dust samples) 9/11 - Debunking the Debunkers - Exploding Primer Paint? NIST suggests the heat in the resulting rubble piles produced the speres, yet they are found in samples taken from the top of buildings blocks away from the complex. There are plenty of people like yourself, and every one that has bothered to reply to the thread so far that wish to supress this evidence, teh spheres are acknowledged but unexplained. but the nano thermite is ignored as there is no reasonable explanation for it being in the dust saples other than the thermite being deposited in the buildings prior to the impact from tha airplanes, which renders the official story useless. You, have to ask me to explain because you have not even taken the time to study the evidence of this material yourself. That makes you ignorant. I do not now why I bother replying to you as you continue to ignore, and I know your stance on the subject, you ignore what you were taught is School, and you listen to lies from criminals. Unplausale lies. Ah yes, we soon resort to insults when challenged beyond our capabilities. How quaint.

your litterbox is half full ! Bill is an engineer. His litterbox is twice as large as it needs to be...or has only been used for half the time it was designed for. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Since you undoubtedly understand this paper much better than anyone else on this forum, why don't you explain it to us so we all can understand? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

No, Voyager is a machine that is perpetually in motion relative to our frame of reference. It is, in all likelyhood, not moving at all relative to countless bodies both large and small throughout the universe. Far different from a perpetual motion machine. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Or the turbines at Hoover Damn. Still not a perpetual motion machine. these are being propelled voyager is not , it will remain in motion with no further motive force perpetually ! Voyager is constantly under the influence of "motive force". It is called gravity. Voyagers path is constantly being altered by the ever changing influence of the gravitational forces of countless bodies. Voyager may be perpetually moving, but it's motion is determined almost entirely by outside forces. This is just the opposite of what a perpetual motion machine is required to do, which is to operate for an infinite amount of time without energy being added once the motion has started. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Whether the war failed in its intent depends on the observer. If you believe Bush and accept his reasoning that there were WMD's in Iraq and they must be found & destroyed then, yes, the war failed. If, on the other hand, you don't believe Bush and feel WMD's were a trumped up excuse to invade and oust Saddam then, no, it wasn't a failure but a verified success. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Some in your country got very wealthy not ignoring Hitler. Millions of people in many countries got very dead because Hitler was ignored. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

We ignored Hitler. That worked out well. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.