Belgian_Draft

I prefer to think of them as the unborn young of another species

Union bosses and asses go together like peas and carrots. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Well, yeah...duh. It's always easier to blame someone else for your problems than to accept responsibility your self. Seems to be a recurring issue with you. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I tried to organize a parade to celebrate being the fattest country on earth, but we never made it past the donut shop. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

It remains a mystery????? Really???? Diabetes, high cholesterol, and heart disease are consequences of obesity. Aren't we still the fattest nation in the world? Yep, and nobody else is even close. We're #1 and getting better at it every day! HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Are you implying that "efficacy" as related to hospitals and doctors is a function of health care systems here in the U.S.? It is indeed not. It is a function of medical research and development. "In a health care context, efficacy indicates the capacity for beneficial change (or therapeutic effect) of a given intervention (e.g. a medicine, medical device, surgical procedure, or a public health intervention)." Wow. You just made his point big time and showed just how little you understand your own quote. That's funny! HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

And for every Canadian you can find that went to the US for medical help, I can find an American that went to some other country because they could not afford it here. I know two people that went to India for back surgery. I know a skydiver that went to France for shoulder surgery. whatever. You will find the exceptions in any rule. The exception does not make the rule. I stand by argument - I am sure that you stand by yours. Longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, lower cost per capita. Your solution to today's Health Care issues in the USA would be..........? hey tk! When are you going to post some data to back up your claims? Don't foget to include stats about obesity and other preventable health problems. (Oh hell, we know you won't because that will just blow your entire argument out the freakin' window ) HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Bill, you really need to be more precise in quoting which part of the definition you are using. If i didn't know better I would think you were trying to mislead the reader. The part you quoted pertains to an entire system, not just a part of a system. Section 2.b, "a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state " fits what you are trying to explain much better.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism Entitlements? That's a bullshit idea that people buy into thinking they are owed something just for being born. Once again, nobody on this earth is owed anything until they earn it. Entitlements my ass. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Ok, so you are going by a secondary definition. So so are saying that I am contradicting myself for accepting a socialist health care system for our volunteer soldiers as part of their compensation for services while decrying tk's attempts to force a similar system on the rest of us? A key concept you keep missing is forced vs voluntary. Thanks, but no thanks. I will gladly pay more for the health insurance I want. You pay for yours, I'll pay for mine, and tk can pay for his if he can find anyone to cover him since he has proven himself to be an extremely high risk. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You still haven't explained your reasoning behind calling the military's health care socialist. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Some places do just that. Most have trouble keeping employees without insurance as part of a compensation package. Some have no trouble keeping people because they pay more than enough to make up the difference. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

No, it is COMPENSATION EARNED through participation in the armed forces. +1 Keywords: Compensation & earned HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

yer goddamn right I don't! If it's good enough for them, then its good enough for EVERYONE! "all men a re created equal...." NOT! Even if all men were created equal it still wouldn't change things. You are not born owed anything. You have to earn it. Health care included. You are still talking like the world owes you something. As for the military people....they sacrifice for their benefits. You just want them handed to you like so much candy. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

If you think people on that side of the pond have trouble, be glad you don't have to deal with idiots like we have here in the States. People here don't know what lane to cruise in, which one is for passing, how to use turn signals, what a red light means, etc. A roundabout? Forget it! I avoid them at all costs unless I am confident the traffic is very light. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yep. But you don't seem to understand why they have government supplid health care the the rest of us don't. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That is why there are tens of millions of people uninsured. thanks again for making my argument. It's a government department, set forth in the Constitution, paid for by the taxpayer. Once AGAIN, thanks for making my argument, or at the very least demonstrating that you have no idea what you are talking about. No need for me to move to another country when I, and the majority of people, can work towards the goals that we want as a majority within the limits of the Constitution through elections of representatives that do what the people want. Tens of millions uninsured. Feel free to pay for theirs. But don't even try to force me to. So a department of the government can't have employees? Oh my God! Your arguments get more ridiculous by the minute! Better stick to begging for money. Though funny, you will never make it as a comic. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

um, read my previous post - once again. I said: that would actually require changes to the tax code - i am all for it. And when you get hurt, i will help foot the bill - through taxes. Just like when you fight a war, I will foot that bill too, even if I do not want to. You know what I mean - the SOCIALIST military system we have......with the SOCIALIST benefits, and the SOCIALIST VA, and the SOCIALIST Medicare and the SOCIALIST Medicaid and the SOCIALIST roads, and the SOCIALIST Water treatment systems and the SOCIALIST.... Why don't you take personal responsibility for your own water? why don't you take personal responsibility for your wars? Why don't you build your own roads. I mean you drive on them and you expect someone else to foot the bill don't you? Just like me. but thanks again for making my argument for me. You just don't get it, do you? there are some things that make no sense for each person to do on their own. Military, roads, schools, water treatment, sewers, etc. Most things most people can handle on their own. Eating, sleeping, bathing, BUYING HEALTH INSURANCE, getting to work, etc etc etc. Once again, the military is NOT socialist. It is a voluntary job that provides it's employees with health care, something you have a distaste for. They also provide room and board. But if the soldier does not live up to his/her agreement they lose all of that. If you want subsidized health care then move to some country that has it. Yeah, I've made your argument. The one that says you want everyone else to pay your way. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That ranking only matters if you want to believe what they tell you about how important their ranking system is. What ranking system? He hasn't posted any links or data or anything. For all we know it could be his own system. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That is the exact opposite of what I said, but I would expect nothing less from you. EVERYONE pays some taxes. If you earn income, you pay taxes. period. No you will not, since neither of us makes the decision about Universal Health care or anything else for that matter. This is a discussion, not the signing of a bill. We already pay a higher premium for high risk activities. I pay it every day in that I cannot get a private health insurance policy, and i pay a premium for life insurance. I pay more for my mortgage because I am self employed, I pay more in health care overall because my body is more beat-up than most, I pay for it all my life. I already do that. To continue with the same system AFTER we change would mean there is no change. But i am not asking for anyone to pay for my beat-up body, or my mortgage, or to hand me a free living. I AM asking for a tax funded health care bill that does not discriminate between me and a 5 year old with leukemia. And I am willing to pay the taxes for that system. So what you want is to change the system such that nothing changes? I get it. The system is perfect already. That is why we rank 39th in the world.... I get it. I guess you don't understand that there is a very significant portion of the population who do not pay any income taxes. In fact, under some of the idiotic policies government came up with, some of those people who paid no taxes got a tax refund! Are you saying you don't want benefits for them? Did you ever think we are ranked so low in life expectancy because we are ranked #1 by a VERY large margin in obesity? Yep, that's right, we are number one! More than 30% of the US population has a BMI of over 30. Japan? Less than 5% of the population. But what the fuck. I doubt if there is any connection there. Why shouldn't a health care system discriminate bewteen you and a kid with leukemia? The kid had no choice in the matter. Do you think he asked to have cancer? You, on the other hand, had a choice. You chose to participate in a high risk activity. You chose to participate in an even riskier offshoot of that activity. Then you took a chance and made a mistake. Your condition is because rational decisions YOU made. You can't say you didn't know you could get hurt or that you didn't know it was risky. And yes, you ARE asking others to pay for your mistake by providing you with health care out of their pocket. Like I said before, you aren't accepting responsibility for your actions. You got hurt and you want others to foot the bill. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yes, we are quite a ways from Assange. Thank God. Most people do not have the means to pay for their own private teacher or home school their children. Even if they did, there are ways to avoid having to pay anything towards public schools. Many school systems are funded entirely by property taxes. If you do not have children that need to go to school you can live in just such an area. Roadways are like airports. It wouldn't make much sense for each person to build their own. It's one of the very few things best left to the government. Health insurance is something that most people can afford. For those that can't because they are unable to work we have government programs. For those who can't afford it because they won't work....tough cookies. As you can tell from my posts i am a firm believer in each person paying their fair share. Want to live a risky lifestyle (I do)? Fine. But your health care will cost you more whether buying insurance or paying taxes. Happy reading books, eating healthy foods and walking 6 miles a day? Great! You get a break on insurance or taxes. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

By that definition, Great Britain does not have socialized medicine. Money can buy you a private doctor (ever heard of Harley Street in London?) I believe there are private hospitals as well. Wendy P. 1.Great Britain is not a socialist nation. 2.Citizens are still taxed to pay for their health care whether they use it or not. As far as I know they cannot opt out. They do have the option of paying for private insurance which gets them a bit better health care and cuts the waiting time a little. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Did any of them agree to put their life on the line whenever their superior told them to? Did they give up what most of us consider to be a normal lifestyle? Did any of them agree to obey any and all lawfull orders regardless of risk to theirself? Nope. Not a one. If you still can't understand the difference in committment and dedication then I don't know what else to say. And there lies one of the big differences between you and I. You want to give free benefits to people who don't pay a dime in taxes. Hell, i'll make a deal with you. If you can guarantee that only those who truly need the help, who honestly cannot work as opposed to will not work, will recieve benefits then you will be on the home stretch to convincing me that socialized health care is a good thing. The other thing you have to do is agree that those of us who participate in high risk activities will pay an additional premium over and above the taxes paid by those who live a more sedentary lifestyle. because if you are gong to be doing stupid shit like breaking your neck swooping, i sure as hell don't want to pay for it if all i do for excitement is walk 6 miles a day. Asking others to pay for your fuckups is begging as sure as the wino outside the pub asking for a couple bucks. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

No, Bill, you're wrong. In a socialist society everyone is supported by the government regardless of what they do. They also have no choice in the matter except to leave the country...if they can. Our military, at least for the last several decades, has been and still is 100% voluntary. And, even if you join, there are still duties you must perform if you wish to collect the benefits. You may now return to wishing for Utopia. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Let me make this simple for you. If you join the military and agree to put yourself in harms way whenever they want you to, subject yourself to their rules, regulations and laws, and agree to do these things for the life of the contract with extremely limited ways of getting out of your contract...then you can enjoy the health care they provide. How does that compare with the life of an average American? It doesn't. Somehow people have gotten the idea that they are somehow entitled to basic human necessities. Guess what...they aren't. That is an idea pushed and pushed by bleeding heart liberals until people accept it as fact. But it's just bullshit. The world doesn't owe you or me a damn thing. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. This country is turning into a bunch of fucking pussies who can't take care of themselves. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That makes two people in this thread who can't or won't tell the difference between those who sign their life over to their country and those who suck the public tit. I thought you were more intelligent than that, Bill. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.