Belgian_Draft

Everybody take note: If a robber breaks into your house you have to let him rob you. According to Lucky's Logic if you hold them at gunpoint until the cops show up you are guilty of kidnapping, amongst other crimes. After all, you would have insinuated violence against them if they resist and they have not been convicted and therefore have commited no crime. I wish I had watched thousands of hours of Matlock and The Hardy Boys so I would know the law. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Maybe SC has a following that is indeed higher than average IQ? Food for thought. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

What is derogatory about letting the courts handle it? That was one option that was offered and is still open. The facts that the kid voluntarilly submitted to his chosen punishment and did not (HAS not) pressed any charges is a pretty good admission if you care to dismiss anything the vets have claimed he said. If I was in his shoes and had not burned their flag you can bet your ass I'd be letting the courts handle it. You are still refusing to believe anything the vets have said and are still assuming the kid would tell a story that is completely different. Your entire argument is based upon baseless assumptions. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Since I virtually always placed in the top 20% of my classes in high school and college I guess that would put me above average. But I have always stood in awe at the ones who somehow always got the top scores and would never study or cheat. I wanted to be like them and strangle them all at once. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That doesn't mitigate the coercion. And again, we have to believe the hunter and abductor. I believe most of what he says, but no one says, "fight a vet" they say, we can kick your ass or we can tape you to a pole. Either way it doesn't matter, all that matters is once violence is an option, that person is under the intimidation of the criminals. I'm ok with it that you can't see that, but it is a legal standard and of teh many trials I've seen, that would fly as an element of threats, intimidation, coercion. Based on the words of the guy who tracked this kiid down, likely a group of them, and taped him to a pole with a sign that endangered him from angry passersby. Again, once intimidation was introduced, everything from that point was coerced, doesn't matter if they offered him a trip to Disneyland. You still don't get it, do you? The kid admitted to what he did and chose his punishment, one of several options including one that did not include the vets in any way. He has thus far declined to press any charges or complain about his treatment in any way. Just because they offered him the option of fighting doesn't mean any laws were broken. Let's say I gave you three choices. I offer you (a) nothing at all or (b) two million dollars or (c) an asskicking. According to your fantasy land logic I would have broken the law. The kid has decided to not say anything, which you are somehow taking as a sign that he has been intimidated so much he is afraid to talk even to the national media. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Well, I decide I'm not then, thx for agreeing. Contrary, if you were that 21YO kid, you want a guy to go toe-to-toe with those MFers. I know everyone accused is guilty, but what if he wasn't guilty of this crime? What if he was but didn't want to get his ass kicked? Shouldn't he have the right to due process? Or fuck the constitution? In case you forgot again, he was offered that option and turned it down. If somebody offers to punch you there is no law broken until you say "no" and you get punched anyway. If you accept the offer then you get punched willingly. Boxers do it all the time. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

There you go assuming again. Why don't you go ahead and tell us how the cops feel? As far as anyone knows they are just fine with how the case resolved itself. Yes, it would make for a hell of a civil case. Except the kid was a willing participant and he has refused to press charges. Both are sure signs that he feels no wrong has been done. I've posted the definition of coercion several times, ignored everytime, the kid no longer became a willing participant when threats were made. Of course you won't address that. You keep forgetting that the kid was also offered the option of letting the legal system deal with it....a perfectly legal option which, by its inclusion, made the other two options also perfectly legal activities if the kid had chosen either one of them. It is very simple...maybe too simple for you to grasp...that the kid chose against letting the courts settle the dispute, a place where he could have plead innocent and not been taped or beaten. This was offered to him and he turned it down in favor of being taped. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

There you go assuming again. Why don't you go ahead and tell us how the cops feel? As far as anyone knows they are just fine with how the case resolved itself. Yes, it would make for a hell of a civil case. Except the kid was a willing participant and he has refused to press charges. Both are sure signs that he feels no wrong has been done. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That is one person whose side has been told. The police is another. They have stated that neither party wishes to press charges. Since the kid had the chance to have his tapers arrested yet declined that is a pretty good sign that he was a willing participant. That the cops didn't take actions against anyone is another. I don't have to assume the kid was the burner. According to the vets and the cops he admitted to it. The kid had every chance, and still does, to tell his side. He has thus far declined. That is a good indicator his story would be pretty darn close to what has already been told. Be that as it may, if the vets and the kid and the cops are all satisfied with the outcome then why should it matter what you think? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Let's be sure that we didn't hear the other 2 sides of the story: the tapees and the truth. So even if we go by the abductor we know that violence was on teh table to coerce him into taking one of the other 2. And I'm not convinced the police option was even offered or they would have likely opted for that one before approaching him if that was in their desire. Once violence is offered, all bets are off. You are assuming everyone whose side has been presented has lied. Since the flag burner chose to be taped instead of facing the cops (who would have been VERY interested in hearing of threats of violence) I, for one, assume the vets are telling the truth and the burner would not tell a significantly differing version. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

For Christ's sake, this is SC. Quit trying to bring logic into it. You will only confuse people. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That would be coercion. It would make this act illegal. If that happened. Well, the VFW member said he tracked the guy down and they came to an "agreement" and while I can see a person agreeing to holding a sandwich board sign with some embarrassing statement on it, I have difficulty believing a person is going to agree to being duct taped to a flag pole for six hours in the sun. When I was a 12 year old hell raiser I pushed over a vending machine at a golf course. I was confronted the next morning and offered the option of facing charges or working off the damages. I opted to spend the day working for the golf course emptying trash, washing carts, etc. Very similar situation here. Please tell me where, in either situation, a law was broken or rights violated by anyone other than the vandal? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

The man volunteered to be taped to the pole instead of facing cgarges of vandalism. He cannot press any sort of kidnapping charges against them or charges of any kind. There is no shame in the way the vets handled it. I know a few who would not have given the man a choice. He should feel very lucky they were as forgiving as they were. You're wrong on this one, Quade. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Because I think that there is a cap on what you can collect. So they can't "tax" you to collect for money that you would never recover. You do realize that SS isn't not a bank, but a runs more like a form of insurance; yes? I do... but if there's a cap on what you can collect, then there's a cap on what you pay in - bank or insurance doesn't matter Ever try to withdraw more money from a bank than you gave them? You're lucky if they don't take your first born as a penalty fee. Virtually all insurance policies have a cap on claims. Sometimes it is very high yet still can be very limiting, i.e. my friends daughter has CF. Before she was 15 they had maxed out at $1,000,000 in bills and meds. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Why should we have a flat rate for SS when we don't for income taxes? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

For a semi-auto it is tough to beat the Benelli M1. Remington 870 is tops for pump guns. I had a Mossberg for a couple years but it was a POS compared to the Remington. I love my Benelli and my 870, but when I'm after upland birds they stay in the gunsafe and I take my aged, scratched, and ultra reliable Beretta 686 Onyx. I don't hesitate to consider it the perfect upland shotgun (for me!). HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

WOW - a plane crashes into a building which collapses and partially burns and iron oxide, iron, aluminum and aluminum oxide are found in the debris. CONCLUSIVE PROOF! You read it, and you just choose not to believe. Oh, he believes alright. He believes, as do I, that iron, aluminum, and their oxides indicate there was iron and aluminum (and maybe their oxides) present at the time of the fire. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

When I was growing up I thought of nothing else. But a few years back, after filling my deer tag, I realized that there was no longer the excitement and anticipation that i once felt. Maybe this fall I'll pick up my .22 again and see if i can put together a tasty squirrel pot pie. Yeah, I think I will.

It may not be perfect, but conditions here in the USA are better than probably 90% of the rest of the world. When you no longer wish to take advantage of the services rendered by the US Government you are free to live elsewhere. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

F*** 'im. Good riddance. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Do you have any idea what happens to iron ( the main constituent of steel) at 910 C ? If you don't then you cannot, in any way, carry on any sort of intelligent discussion about the effects of heat on steel with those who study those effects, and teach about them, for a living. (I'll give you a clue...melting has nothing to do with it. ) HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Same thing that stops the Boogieman from coming into my house every night; non-existence. Hi Q The boogieman doesn't exist Thats a good thing

It's truly a miracle that they manage to do that. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I am finding it increasingly difficult to accept the idea that any life form intelligent enough to jump out of an airplane and open a parachute before impacting the ground would debate these conspiracy theorists, much less actually believe any of the BS they spew out of their face gutter. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

He could have manned up and gone in the regular AF and flown those "ever so safe" F-105s or gunless F-4s in real combat, like real men did. Maybe all the "real men" flew in actual combat, maybe not. I, for one, am thankful to all who flew in those supersonic and near sonic toothpaste tubes built by the lowest bidder. If it weren't for all the non-"real men" our NG would be grounded. At least Bush did something, even if it was minimal. Clinton could have been a man and postponed his Rhodes until after his service to his country was fulfilled. If this wasn't possible, then he could have passed on it. I seem to remember a certain pro football player who walked away from a multi-million dollar deal and gave his life for his country. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.