Belgian_Draft

My father was blue collar. My brother is blue collar. My sister is blue collar. I was blue collar for most of my career. Are you calling all of us stupid? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yep. Pretty stupid thing to do. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Which part? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I blocked you because you were using PMs to post PAs. I didn't say you were stupid, just told you not to be. I sincerely hope you can tell the difference. I am sorry if you took my post as meaning race was the only reason he was elected. I offer my sincerest apologies for your lack of understanding. So now you are pretending to be an attorney again, eh? If you have been paying attention in all the thousands of court cases you have sat in on you would know that a defendent is found either guilty or not guilty. Yes or no. Is or isn't. Same with the recession. We are either in one or we aren't. I believe, as i think most others do, that we are still in a recession. You seem to be confused as to how people can actually make up their minds. It really is simple. There is no "we aren't but we are" about it. Of course, maybe you've also sat in on thousands of economic meetings also. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33565109/ns/business-autos/ To reject a contract because it has provisions that would be detrimental to a workers safety and well being are one thing, but to reject it on the belief that since Ford didn't file bankruptcy they must be doing just fine is just plain dumb and very short sighted. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

To be fair, it would be equally foolish to believe that McCain did not gain a significant number of votes simply because his opponent was black. Agreed. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

This is what *you* call an American dream? It sounds too familiar, could be found all over the world. Nothing special at all. Uh, I think you missed my point entirely. The American Dream is what you make it. The situations i listed are merely examples of which there are as many as there are people who have a dream. Yes, it can be found all over the world. Unfortunately there are far too many places where any such dream can never be more than that. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Don't be stupid. Of course the black vote wouldn't have gone totally republican if Hillary had gotten the nomination. Only an idiot or a fool would think that. You are completely wrong in virtually all of your assumptions about me. I don't think the only reason he was elected is because he is black. I voted for him for other reasons. But only a fool would think that the percentage of votes he got just for being black is insignificant. I have said sevberal good things about Obama. If you had been paying attention you would have noticed. So you have no idea as to whether we are in a recession or not even though the thread you started claimed we were out. And, yes, it really is simple enough to be an either/or answer. Too bad you just want to avoid commiting your opinion. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

The "American Dream" is different for each and every person who chases it. For some it is owning your own home debt free and retiring to spend the last 20 years of your life playing golf. To others it is floating from town to town, living off temporary jobs, never having to settle in one spot for any longer than you wish. Still others see it as working their butt off and accumulating mass amounts of wealth. I see the American Dream as being the opportunity to make the most of what you have and the freedom to live in poverty or wealth as you see fit. It goes without saying, of course, that opportunity and freedom are the only entitlements you get. There are no guarantees as to where these will lead or to what extent you will manage to take advantage of them. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yes, the '08 election brought out 2 million more blacks. Show me where I said different. It wasn't just the 2 million additional blacks, it was the 95% of the blacks who voted casting their vote for Obama. IF that 95% had voted the same as the general population then Obama would not have been elected. Plain and simple. I'm not asking for you to post data on the economic situation, I am asking for YOUR OPINION as to whether we are out of the recession or not. You are capable of forming an opinion, are you not? One more thing: Stop insinuating that I am somehow hoping Obama fails as President or that the economy fails to recover. I have made it perfectly clear to you that I do not wish for either and, in fact, hope for just the opposite. Just because i don'ty worship him as you do doesn't mean I harbor ill will towards the man or his goals. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Uh, no, I didn't "fuck up". You did. You did by not understanding how big a difference it would make if the 12% of the voters who made up the black vote had voted along the same lines as the other 88%. You interpreted the "How the hell did this happen" as being a question of race. I interpreted it as being a question of inexperience. You guys really need to understand that not everyone who voted against Obama hates him and not everone who voted for him thinks he is the second coming of Christ. I voted for him because he was the candidate I felt who would screw things up the least and i was tired of 16 years of assholes in the Oval Office. So, tell us, are we still in a recession? You never did give a yes or no answer except in your thread title, and then did a lot of backpedaling and tried to weasel out of it. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Whatever. You win. Congratulations. Now will you stop hijacking this thread? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Are you gonna keep running from this: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3715365;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Come on, you made an assertion that Obama's election was due from the black vote, I was responding and then you yanked your post, so I posted my response anyway. Come on, don't you want to defend yourself? Actually, no. for the same reasons I deleted my post. The discussion had strayed, IMO, too far from the original thread and had quickly become circular. Not to mention you never answered the question as to why you automatically attached a racial connotation to the OP. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

If you bitch about conservatives, you're a liberal. If you bitch about liberals, you're a conservative. If you sit back and laugh at their petty bickering, you're normal. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I know several "Jims" myself. Unfortunately there will always be people who think Jim isn't trying hard enough. I'm just glad that the Jims in the world give their best effort at jobs most people refuse to do. By giving 100% Jim can take more pride in his work than the 125 IQ programmer who only gives 80% effort and complains because Jim missed a spot on the tile floor. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yep. But Obamas primary voters would not have voted for hillary by anywhere near the same margin. Polls taken during and after the primary season showed that as a very strong trend. How many times do i have to tell you....I am not a republican. And I sure as hell don't like the mess that Reagan, Bush, Clinton have all left us in. (Yes, Clinton. His "balanced budget" was nothing more than smoke, mirrors, and a lot of borrowing from the future.) HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I voted for him because, to me, McCain just represented more of the same shit we have had to deal with for the last 16 years. A slightly less racist view than those who voted for him only because of his race and even less racist than your viewpoint that anybody who does not love Obama is an inbred, ignorant, redneck bigot. And, yes, it was the difference in the black vote that put him in the White House. I do not believe Hillary would have won the Presidency if she had won the primaries. People who voted in the primaries for Hill were mostly happy to vote for Obama, but not vice versa. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Before you go start accusing me of being an Obama hater or a racist you best know that I voted for the man...ok? Ok. Since you see fit to accuse anybody who says anything against Obama as being a racist don't forget the fact...yes, FACT...that he was elected President of the United States because of his race. Never in recent presidential elections had the African-American sector voted so overwhelmingly in favor of one presidential candidate and there have been a few who promised them more than Obama did. If the black vote had been the same as it has been in recent elections then Obama would have been watching a Republican take the oath that day. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Check with any hunting goods outfit such as Cabelas or Gander Mountain. They all sell trail cameras designed to take digital pics of animals crossing in front of it. Some are pretty costly, some are darn cheap. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Well, somebody has to leave. The argument starts when people can't agree on who that should be. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Biologists in Canada and the north-east US have used DNA to determine that coyotes have been breeding with wolves to produce what they are calling "coywolves". Lager than a coyote, smaller than the wolf, they seem to not have the same natural fear of humans that either parent species has. This could someday be a big problem. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

To say that some early indicators are looking great, but there is still work to do. OF course the underlying theme is Obama is doing a great job early, hope it lasts and builds. The underlying theme from Obama-haters is that they are skeptical of the success, as that would give Obama too much credit and we can't have that even if it means hoping the country takes a shit. So then you are now saying, in opposition to the thread title that you wrote, that we are still in a recession. Well, at least we agree on something. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

So, remind us please, what was the point of your original post/starting this thread? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Sure, those with disabilities beyond their control are the exception, and should not be included when voting in the poll. However some, especially those with physical limitations, would be offended by your comment. If I had said that people with severe physical or mental limitations would likely never become wealthy I would agree with you. But I didn't. I specifically said physical and mental. I know many physically handicapped wealthy people and several menatlly handicapped wealthy people, but I only know one who is both and he inherited his money. I also said it would be unlikely, not impossible. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I attended a small rural school, rarely more than 750 total students K-12. Not once did a black student hold office in student councel, graduate in the top 25% of any class, or become a member of the National Honor Society. Could be because there were never any black students while I was there. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.