skyjack71

I spoke with Mr. Finegold and sent him a letter many yrs ago to which he replied. This was in March of 1998. He was cordial and his response in writing was very short and to the point. He said he would speak with Ralph Himmelsbach and if deamed appropriate for him to help me that he would be in contact with me. We may have had another conversations by phone. Guess I don't understand front pack / back pack. Aren't the front packs the little emergency packs one of which was a dummy? Which is myth and which is fact...the facts are scrambled eggs now. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

NEED HELP WITH THIS ONE ATTENTION ALL PILOTS AND JUMPERS FROM 1950'S - 60'S ALL I HAVE IS A LAST NAME LINSTROM OR LINDSTROM - ASSOCIATED WITH FLYING CLOUD IN MN AT THAT TIME. Thank you Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger makes a strange post and I make a strange post and this thread is standing still.

Everyone needs to go to this site: http://www.swarthmore.edu/library/peace/conscientiousobjection/CPScampsList.htm http://www.swarthmore.edu/library/peace/conscientiousobjection/c.o.list.htm After you pull that up you go to Manuscript Collectiuon in the Swarthmore College - Peace- Collection That Related to Conscientious Objection. There is a list (not complete) of conscientious objectors. You read down the alphabetical list until you get to C Cooper, Dan (Vietnam Conflict C.O.) (Elliston P. Morris (CDGA) I just thought this is a weird place to find D.B. Cooper -

If 3 were involved it would be over by now - the only secrets kept for a life time are usually between spouses or thru an enforcible fiduciary relationships. That brings the covert right back into the picture and maybe certain "client" relationships similar to the relationship Georger had with his "client". Considering all the information we have out here - and considering all the media attention the Cooper case has had since 2000 and the multiple suspects - it was probable that one piece of evidence would eventually surface - such as the conversation Georger had with his Client. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I believe you have misled us as to your profession. Note "orderly" - I do not know many professions that use an orderly - other than correctional institutes, hospitals, mental facilities and nursing home. Someone else can finish that list. This is precisely the state of mind I have explained Duane was experiencing in 1971. He did not expect to survive and when he did he wanted to live - and so he did constantly looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life...he got a second chance to live his life the way his parents wanted him to. Items taken from the hidden wallet and little that remained of his past - the obituaries for his parents and a picture of place in CA. along with the name of an individual written on the back. Duane's brother located that place and told me where and what it was - (Don't even ask me for that information). How many time have I said this about Duane - but note that the man said because until you have done it and survived you will not be able to answer that question. Very Likely unless he found himself in his survival - Which is exactly what Duane did or "client" managed to accomplish. He was able to make that choice one more time 11 days before he died. How difficult would it be for anyone on this forum to make the same decision Duane did? He made that decision against my wishes, the Dr.s and the staff...he felt he had paid his penance and it was time to go - his reward was a phone call and pictures from his brother he had not seen or spoke to since the early 50's before his parents died....why do people wait that long to make amends? Why weren't you on the phone contacting the FBI? We all realize that you could have made that up, and if it really happened - WHY didn't you call the FBI and what kind of position did you work in that meant you had to maintain the confidentiality with that client. Sounds more like a Doctor - Patient relationship or that of a preacher or priest counseling one bearing his soul and asking forgiveness. As for the writers - we can speculate that they or someone they have hired might be one of us or lofting here for information. I would think it very probable. I am not offended by the posts made by others - infact some posts meant to deter me only enforced everything I have said. Just call me Dr. or Nurse Edwards.

Fingerprints - I only know what I was told about the prints and the information that was posted here to refute that - I did let that go, but did you? What we don't know is if Cooper actually left any prints at all. Why don't you ask Galen Cook or Geoffry Grey who are both writing books - why they continue to believe their suspect is Cooper and why they continue to hound the FBI? They are looking for money and fame...that is the difference between myself and those kind. Their suspects are victims, but Duane confessed and his background and the things he told me thru out our marriage fit like a kid glove. I went to the FBI in 1996 - as soon as I understood what Duane meant by "I'm Dan Cooper". I was contacted many times over the yrs by both authors - they must have had a reason. Why wait until I went public in 2000 to reveal other suspects? Could that reason have been Doubt regarding the suspects? Can someone prove Duane was not Cooper? - the FBI and private individuals have had 13 yrs to do so. The general public has had 8 yrs....yet NOT ONE person has come forward with information that says Duane Weber was NOT in WA on Thanksgiving eve or Thanksgiving Day. Was Duane Weber so invisible to family and friends and associates that NOT one living soul came forward to claim he was not Cooper or "No Way - he was with us and we have family to prove it". It was all over the media and I contacted all the past business associates, family and friends I could locate. Not one person gave him an alibi - NOT ONE...his where-abouts was not know to any of the employers of record or to family members. Yet, one lone night Clerk put him in Portland the night before the hijacking..... Now ask me what will it take to convince me Duane was not Cooper? Surely if someone could have identified Cooper in 1971 - they would have come forward - had there been a obvious connection to jumping... Or maybe it is a simply as - No One Wants to Destroy the Legend.. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I would only look at statistics for 1968. The Commutation says 4 yrs but it was my understanding from other documents that he was sentenced to 7 yrs - less with good behaviour. Actually the Commutation is a mute point at this time - I have things more important - the truth is hiding in plain site. By the ways YOU GUYS are the best source out there right now - why? Try hiring a 30 yr old to do research for you that doesn't even know who Cooper was? It is like asking him to find the Empire State Building in the middle of a forest. "D. B. Cooper? Who is that?" Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Just like the rest of you - of you did!

Snowmman that was some decent searching, BUT remember that the dots connected without the Commutation - that sufaced a few months ago in this forum - it was NOT me connecting the dots - the forum chases theories also - that is how a lot of conclusion are made pro or con.

Re: [skyjack71] Forget Raincoats...let's talk Huevoes Someone stated And Jo, throwing the rock at the dog was the worst thing you could do. Hopefully he'll bite you soon. Jo Replied: It was just a pebble besides I couldn't hit an elepant in my yard, much less a BOXER - I was corrected today. Georger you replied Had Duane ever been a boxer or suffered a serious head injury. Everyone laugh because that is a strange reply for Georger - Georger - did you fall on your head laughing. No Duane was never a boxer nor did he ever have a head injury or be diagnosis with anything you guys have mentioned. He did need some counseling regarding going on the Kidney Machine, but who wouldn't - they do the same thing when someone has cancer. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

It has never been said what lenght the raincoat was. At that time 3 lengths were available. I know that one came mid thigh and another came to or below the knee - how long was the longest? Guys this is your department - I have forgot what each one was called. The men in my life never wore one that was at or below the knee -( it was mid thigh)usually with a split in the rear,, so let us say it was that lenght - then the parachute straps would have basically secured it around the groin area - if it had been one of the longer lenght it would have created a problem. Some of the pilots wore longer lenght coats - wonder why? The Delta pilot I dated wore a long one - was that just a matter of choice? Or was the lenght mandated by the airlines? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

It was just a pebble besides I couldn't hit an elepant in my yard, much less a BOXER - I was corrected today. I just knew it was big and it had those big floppy jaws and sad face...I always associated with a bulldog. They are all the same to me...I would say lovable if he wasn't so big. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

377 - I can answer that. He did say Aft Stairs becauseI asked him what Aft stairs was (I didn't have a clue) and his reply was that it was the stairways in prisons. Also remember that this was in the middle of the night when he was having a nightmare and talking in his sleep. To refresh your memory I am restating the story as it has been told from the beginning of all of this.. My response was "You were never in prison". This is when he told me he got in trouble with a couple of guys and spent some time in jail. I never questioned this - until after his death. I thought it was a couple of months in a county jail as a young man - and I never had reason to doubt what he said in referring to the stairs as Aft Stairs. Then on May 24, 1996 - 1yr and 2 months later I am reading a book about Cooper - and that was when I found out what Aft-stairs was. Also remember - WHY I was even reading that book. I had started dating and I had read in a book about widowhood - if a widow becomes acquainted with a gentleman she likes, but does not want to become romantically involved with him - to start talking about her deceased. That is what I did. I talked about the things that happened in the hospital and what Duane said in the hospital "I'm Dan Cooper" and that I did not understand why he would be telling me such a tale when he knew he only had a few days to live. He became angry with me because I didn't understand what he was talking about. The Dr had told Duane and I that he would die in about 5 days but he would live for 11 days. The day of the confession was right after he had told the Dr. he wanted to cease the dialysis and was very alert (no drugs) and asked the Dr. if he would want to continue to live in his body. He asked me if I had the briefcase with me as he had requested I keep it with me at all times. I did and he unlocked it and removed papers that had been signed in 1990 regarding his choices. Until then I had no idea that he had already prepared for the end-stage consequences. If he chose to stay on dialysis - he would have been confined to a bed in a nursing home and maybe occasionally an outings in a wheel chair. He was exercising his right and he was sound of mind. The gentleman listen as I related what happened the day Duane decided to stop dialysis. He asked me if I had ever thought he might be D.B. Cooper. He had to explain to me who D.B. Cooper was and I told him that yes, because of the statement Duane made when we went of Wa. in 1979 and I had thought the whole trip odd. I had never really gave it a lot of thought. I was preparing for my real estate license exam. which was a 2 1/2 hour drive from my home. I chose to go there and spend the night before the test. I never crammed before a test so I called this guy and had ask him again what the name was of the man he told me about. (I cannot explain why I didn't remember it - perhaps my mind wanted to know, but my heart got in the way). The library only had one book on Cooper which was mostly fiction. Thankfully I did not start reading that book in the motel, because I had taken an optional class that afternoon and realized that my instructor had never discussed some of the things we were being told might be on the test. So I spent that night cramming and by the way I was the highest score they had for that test session. Five of us where asked to stay after everyone else left - I was the last one called in. I would have had a perfect score had I not erased 2 of my answers and changed them --- they noted this and felt I might have had access to the materials prior to testing. I had to sign a written oath regarding this. So this could help you understand my "memory" which is questioned over and over in this forum. May 24, 1996 at my home I start to read that book - one third of the way thru - I am on the phone to the FBI. I had never known that D.B. Cooper had given his name as "DAN' and it was the first time I had heard the mention of AFT stair again and then it was a flood of memories coming so fast I felt I was drowning or going crazy. Our life together sudden made sense - the pieces that didn't fit, finally fell into place. After reading about 1/3 of the book I am on the phone with the FBI - was I drinking or taking drugs? It was a useless conversation with them. After reading 13 more pages I am back on the phone only to be treated the same way I had been treated an hour before. I hired a private dectective - who helped me to assemble what little I had to get a letter with pictures to Ralph Himmelsback since the FBI wanted no part of this. Please also NOTE - the only composite I had seen was the old Bing Crosby look-alike composite. I had not seen the other composites. My convictions that he was Cooper were based only what I knew regarding what he said and our trip to WA and other things that Duane had said. NOTE: The only composite in that book is the old Bing Crosby look-alike. The fact that he resembled the other composites comes at a later date.

If someone is going to make a medical and psycological opininions of me regarding my posts and my search - that person needs to display their credentials or cease posting in that manner. I believe it is "criminal" to pose as a Dr. of anything. All I am doing is trying to find that one simple something that is being missed that will end all of this and that is ALL that my post reflect.

CKRET: If Cooper jumped with the raincoat - how could the stewardess see a tie and clasp on him - WHY leave the tie and keep the raincoat? I also asked about a RUMOR going around BATTLEGROUND the other day - as one of the residents contacted me. I ask if it there was anything to it. I didn't deserve the way the FBI (you) treated me in regards to the file being made public on this forum but you don't bother answer a simple direct questions. I even told you in that post that I don't know how to highlight. If you don't want to answer in the forum there is PM and you also know my phone number. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Ms AGGIE: You have yet to produce your credentials. You never come to this forum except in intercede regarding MY mental health and YOU do not KNOW me. I might get excited about something , but I keep searching for the truth - and yes I will jump on anything that looks like it might be - but I go out to try to verify it. The man in that Picture has a name - but I will verify who the picture is of that man is and his identification. I try to leave NO stone unturned. SNOWMMAN: You are right I was kidding, but don't you think it looks like DUANE? What did I tell you AGGIE only comes on to demean me in any way SHE can. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

SNOWMMAN SNOWMMAN GO TO PIC THAT WAS IN WIKIPEDIA CPS31firecrew.jpg. Second MAN FROM THE LEFT. THEN GO LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF DUANE FROM 1943 IN HIS NAVY UNIFORM - LOOK AT THE PEAK IN THE HAIRLINE. LOOK AT HIS BUILD - AM I SEEING THINGS. LOOK AT HIS FACE - WHO WAS THAT BOY? WE HAVE TO PUT A NAME TO THAT GUY - I THINK IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE DUANE. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

How RIGHT you are - that Snowmman is amazing - I have come to believe he might actually be a human computer - How can one human find all of those things. Sorry Swowmman - but it is true you do amaze all of us. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

.*** Orange, I am quiet well aware that we discussed this before and the probablility of not wearing the coat to jump - but the question is ------------- WHERE did the coat go to? Why does the FBI evade the black coat enquiries? When Cooper went to the bathroom - did he come out with or without the coat. It makes sense that he may have tried to take it with him, but the FBI file eludes this position...did he roll it up to utilize it when he hit the ground or did he stuff it down the toilet or was he wearing it or did he leave it behind...and what happened to the paper bag. I heard somewhere that Cooper left his coat on the entire time - would he not have been quiet warm in the cabin with the raincoat one? Was he sweating? Was he nervous? Were his eyes shifting very rapidly? But, oh that is right he had his sunglasses on. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I don't care how is sounds to anyone - I am just relating things in our life thru out the yrs. Obviously I am not trying to cover anything up. Yes, I knew things didn't seem right - remember I had never been around certain elements of our society and I had spent many yrs being a single mom working two and three jobs to support my kids - what help I got from their father bounced liike rubber balls. I was not only naive - I was not making it on my own and yes, more than once I looked the other way. Self preservation sometimes takes over one's principles...and love is a strange thing. I had never known anyone so protective of me or who treated me the way he did. Please note that in the early 1980's when I became aware of "other" activity I was leaving him. I have explained this before - he got down on his knees and begged me to stay and vowed that he would never do anything like that again. I went out and got a job so the financial pressure was off of him - prior to that we had worked as a team selling insurance, but the company he had gone to after leaving Colorado did NOT feel comfortable to me - the product felt shaddy and he himself admitted that. This is the span of time during our marriage that more than one thing happened - but, I won't go into that on a forum or otherwise. We survived and we both went on to be very successful (as a team) - he was a manager and I was an agent. He was also managing several other agents until his kidney disease caught up with him in 1988. Now, you know more than you need to know. I tell what has to be told because I never know what piece of information might be the key that opens the past. How else will I be able to find the truth if I don't tell most of what I know about Duane. CKRET started the tell all thing when he posted Duane's criminal record - most of which I was unaware of...he also promised me a copy of Duane's criminal record which I NEVER received. Perhaps in those detailed records is a key that will jog my memory of something and perhaps there are things there I can dig into - it is a given, the FBI will not do it. How about it CKRET when will I get those records - do I have to go the local FBI office and sign something. I feel I am intitled to any information you have...at least I will do what I can to investigate it - what is the FBI waiting for - more people in Duane's past to die?????????? High ranking officials????? Who is Hayden?????? Now who knows something?????? If you dig long enough and deep enough - the past can surface....but you have to know what you are looking for and be objective. I have been accused of not being objective but many others like youself, Orange and the FBI are also not objective. Don't critize me for saying what has to be said just because it doesn't fit "your" profile of what is or is not in your mind and that of others. Like I said before the truth is all that matters at this time in my life - and not what someone thinks of me. Why is my doing that not being objective? Ah so it doesn't fit your story or profile of Cooper...so you dismiss it by demeaning me - but that is OK - at least it got YOUR attention. By the way - why do you even read my posts? The Ariel Tavern story - going right back at them - and a $20 tip.... strange you didn't ask me if that was true? Perhaps someone like Galen Cook will plagurize it for his book. Watch me - when you think I am kidding I maybe dead serious. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I harped on the black rain coat for a long time, because it almost seems like a lost fact. One of the first things I told the FBI in 1996 when I contacted them and my other contacts with Ralph Hope and retired agent Himmelsbach - no one ever reacts to the BLACK RAINCOAT. I know that Duane told me during the first yr. I met him - before we got married - he mentioned having a black rain coat. The conversation took place when I went to help him get somethings out of his car trunk at my apartment in Atlanta - he always kept a metal file cabinet in there and it was locked...I would never know the contents of this cabinet until a later date, but prior to that he replaced the large metal box for a smaller box. The first time I saw the tax reports he had kept since 1969..(his first yr as Duane L. Weber - these items would only have consumed 1/4 fo 1/3 of that box). These were in the same box as the Ticket in 1994 . He had combined the contents of the metal box with shop records for 1990 - when ALL of those OTHER strange things happened. If you will recall it was February of 1994 when I saw the airline ticket, but is was also the first time I saw those tax reports. I did not have reason to review them in any detail until 1996 after that day in May when I found out who Dan Cooper was. So if Duane was probagating a confession - he started on it before he married me in 1977. I would like to know WHY every FBI agent has AVOIDED discussing the raincoat. I believe it was one of those nylon raincoats - this is just a memory from something he said at that time in 1977. Duane had a way of swapping things out at check rooms at fancy restuarants...funny I thought about that just now. It did not occur to me that we didn't make enough money to eat in those kind of places - the very best Atlanta and Denver had to offer. I was so damn naive.

I believe I have asked that same question and even inquired if Duane was printed at the funeral home. I guess they thought I was crazy and never called me back. I had heard that if someone is cremated that some states require the person to be fingerprinted.

I am trying to do is make sense out of the things the ex told me and what Duane told me and try to piece it together - to see if it makes some sense to someone - least of all me. NOTE: I said least of all me. I am throwing these things out there so that someone more detached and definitely a lot smarter might have some knowledge of what it means. I did not get any indications from Duane that he was in Nam or anywhere near it. He did know some short commands in the lanugage - such as "Get on down the road" I know how it sounded but would never attempt to type it. As for the 727 being used all I know is what I have been told - and the only thing that I can input regarding the use of a commercial airliner would be - the one thing that comes to my simple mind. Maybe it had to such a plane to catch someone off guard...that the ground would think it was a passenger plane off course and not take any action...where they dropping jumpers or cargo or both for an assault and maybe it wasn't in Nam...... Question was there any official killed in a foriegn country between 1962 and 1971 that would have been done by covert CIA or perhaps our own CIA or FBI. One in which there was NOT to be any photo's taken and yet some were taken and a couple of these appear on a TV program many yrs later. The photo I am thinking about show a tall man with a rifle in fatigues - I have searched this myself and found incidents but not the picture I am looking for. There have been 3 photo's that are imbedded in my mind that I have not been able to find. Well, I guess that says I have flew over the Cuckoo's nest one time to many. By the way 377 - one of those photo's regards jumpers from San Quentin / Folsom. Photos and memories that mean something - they are there until I tell someone about it and then POOF like the magic Dragon they are gone. Maybe I just woke up from a bad dream. Maybe life is only in our mind - do we really exist? The past the present and the future - is it all one? As all of comes to an end, even I might have to concede - that I may have lost my mind. Is life really real - past, present and future? The more I think about my life with Duane and the things I know plus the things I have been told - the more confusing it is. Just about the time I think it will end and the answer is staring me in the face - it starts all over again. Each and every exploration leaves me with enforcement of some of the things and sometimes with new tidbits dropped into the basket...but never with that one thing that is needed - that one piece of proof. I have been told many times that I am seeing it, but don't know what it is - such as when someone hides something in plain view...he knows it is there, but no one else does. Duane told me that several times. He left the truth in plain site - but I couldn't see it. Now after all these yrs. I sold the property, the funishings, gave things away, remarried, tried to start anew - but did I destroy the evidence when I did that? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Do you remember all of the research we did after I posted Duane's work history and SS information? Remember that the Wife of the Times had told me that Duane worked for San Diego Air Craft and Southern Air. I have gone back to my notes regarding phone calls with the ex-wife and in 1968 she mentions being in Arizona - I have a note regarding Kansas - then Boulder and then Arizona. She is talking about N.Orleans in this same conversation. This conversation took place in 1997 or 1998. The name Lanham or Lanaman came up. Also there is a mention of "before he got caught when (word not readable) Phonix, Az. Another note says "Had lots of money in 1971 when they got "back" to S.C." These notes were written while she rambled on the phone - at 2 or 3 AM my time. Up until 2001 I took her calls when ever she called - it meant she wanted to talk and I would call her back on my nickel since she was living off of SS. I sometimes had to be at work by 9AM - if I had floor or a meeting otherwise my schedule was flexible. Next page states "Before leaving Phonix Az. when they went back to Cleveland and he got caught." On the run for 1 yr before he got caught - she stayed in Phonix Az. This would be 1965 approx.but the only problem I find with that is that on his Jefferson file it indicates she has a N. Orleans address. He buys a new car to go to AZ. While there he leaves her and says he has to go to CA. to get some of his inheritance (?). She jumps to the 70's Mentions friend of Duane's got out of Emory. Doesn't give his name. 1971 Bought Mobile home and paid Cash for it. Spent money - went to Miami going to by sea-going-boat / had the cash money for it - she wouldn''t let him - stayed at the best places. Then she is back talking about Kansas. Both Duane and his wife talked about their going to CA, but there is only one time span I can put them in CA for a couple of months - this is even more puzzling...but I won't go into that at this time. The reason I am posting these notes is that Southern Air Transport - where was it located and what yrs did all of that stuff go on about the 727's. Was it all overseas or any of it in the states. This mention of Souther Air Transport got my attention. I don't even know where they are located or if "John Collins" had anything to do with them - but she was specific on Southern Air in 2 conversations. I am still trying to find information on this Ed Horan and hope WA and ID which is where Ed said he knew Duane from will at least be one question I can get answered when I go to WA. AGENT CARR - where are those darn cigarette butts - LOST, in RENO or in WASH. That make 3 stories about the butts. WHICH ONE IS TRUE? . Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber