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Georger are you going to send me that map. You may have sent it and it went to my trash mail which I delete with out looking for. Let me know the name it will come under or make the subject matter read MAP so I won't delete it. Thank YOu, I really would like for someone to see that map. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

How can I send that map you just posted regarding the Wilmet thing to a person who DOES not wish to be in this forum. He is a specialist in these things and was born and raised on the Columbia - I tried to down load it from here but the site will not allow that. Can you send it to me with my regular email address as an attachement. I would - like to have his opinion of what you are saying. The private email is the same I use in the forum Homes4ubyjo@aol.com Quade I hope it is not against the rules to put the email in a post because it is the same as my profile. If I did wrong then you can just delete this post or strike it out...I am just trying to find a way to send this map to someone else. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The map you posted does not date to 1971 - and that creates problems with the general population and confusion. Roads and developement occurring after 1971 - makes a mix for confusion. Remember there are OTHER eyewitness accounts other than the Heisson account. One I have posted in the past and I was contacted by one of the individuals involved. Again it is information related at the time of the skyjack and later . As Himmelsbach has explained to me and others many times over the yrs. The chase planes were what these people saw and mistook it for the plane. The witness I spoke with said she knew the difference in the sound of the planes and that there was no way that what she heard was a chase jet. Yet, her account would put the plane further East than the FBI or the flight statistics put the plane. Therefore for the sake of being objective - no eyewitness acct on the location of the plane could be used. It was cloudy and raining - they would have had to make visual contact with the plane and have recorded the time. This senario would seem highly improbably due the conditions. Please PM me with the account you are siting. I do notice that you made a red X's to designate the siting of the report. By doing this you plant things in the minds of the reader - therefore ALL sitings should be marked...to be fair. There were several sitings - and some did not report it at the time or they were dismissed because the FBI didn't think the plane could possibly be in that area...as per the accounting I am speaking of. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

OK Georger, there is a man in the middle of that pic you posted. Trying to see how observant I am are you? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Since we have a lull I want to revisit another suspect that is never mentioned and when it is the FBI goes runs. The similarities and a possible relationship between Weber and Coffelt is the obvious reason. John Hardy, Jr AKA J.C. Ross, AKA Bryant "Jack" Coffelt was a suspect and he his suspect in my mind for various reasons. Not that he was Cooper,but that he had knowledge of the crime and a connection with Cooper. The FBI has never released much information about this suspect. He was in Leavenworth and other prisons including the Altanta Prison. When he was first investigated he was know to be in association with a man known as James Brown also an excon and they resided in the Atlanta, Ga area at the time of the crime (also where Duane L. Weber was living). About 8 months after the hijacking 2 men broke into Duane's residence in the Sandy Spring area and then set fire to the house - supposely "looking for something they thought he had". It was determined that the fire was set and not accidental. Duane and his family were at the fair at the time. It was after I started investigating Duane's claim that he was Dan Cooper that I stumbled on the connection between the 3 men, but the FBI ignored me...and still do regarding this. Coffelt was one of the best suspects they had but he is NEVER talked about........ There are some co-incidences regarding Coffelt and Weber. Coffeld use an AKA of Ross - Ross was the maiden name of Duane's wife. Shaffner and LeBissonier identified mug shots of Coffelt as being Cooper. Coffelt like Duane left few photos of himself - as Duane also did not like to have his pic taken (in Duane's case with glasses only and if without he was clowning). Coffelt was in Jefferson as I understand it, but I have no confirmation of this - first the prison says yes, then they say no and then they say they lost the records. This is exactly what I went thru regarding Duane's residency in Jefferson. The man who Coffelt was in association with was James Brown a pilot. Coffelt was regarded by the FBI as an informant - DOES this sound Familiar?- note - Commutation of Sentence? Joplin, Missouri was a place Duane showed me when we went out to Co thru Missouri - he spoke of know a man who lived there at one time - then I find out that Coffelt lived there???? It was rumored that the rear of the 727 had only a few individuals and that this resorted from Cooper calling in a lot of reservations who became "No Shows". It was also claimed that a beacon light was used by Brown to direct Coffelt to his landing spot near Pine Hollow Reservoir. The plan involved others and stashing of cars and food supplies...all of which caused me to doubt the accounting I read in the Vegan - written in 1983 by the son of James Brown. According to the story as told by Byron Brown - Coffelt spent 10K of his money and 11 months setting up the plan. Beeper signals were also used through a radio receiver strapped to Coffelt's wrist. What does strike me as odd is that he knew it was a 28 ft canopy and he claimed that it opened with such a jolt that he lost the bag...but there is no mention of the bag being tied or secured. If his was an experienced jumper - I do not think he would have jumped without securing the bag. He also claimed to have injuries from the jump --- but these injuries were still evident in 1974 - that is a long time for bruises and cuts to remain - so I got the impression that Coffelt was pulling a good one on this young man of 16 in 1974. The irony in the whole story is this - Coffelt claimed to have lost the bag and he explained the money showing up in the Columbia as Coffelt claiming to have thrown a few bundles out the back of the Plane as it flew over the Bonneville Dam after the stewardess refused to take it. This article also claims that Coffelt felt the stewardess up and stated that "she was the last woman I may have seen in my Life! I wanted her to have somthing you know, to remember me by." The writer also makes claims about a green bag and knife with a long thin blade. The author claims to have met Tina in 1977 and that she did confirm the green bag which she thought was made of glossy paper or plastic. Also note that this article refers to the bag as mail bag. The writer also states - he asked her about Cooper and if he had touched her in any way. She reportedly flushed and said "He may have made a pass at me". As per the author Tina also said he made this statement "I have nothing to lose". That he said this statement in a hushed tone. Yet what we read from the FBI has none of this. The green bag and the statement 'I have nothing to lose". Who would make that kind of statement unless he thought he was already facing a death sentence of his own - such as the kidney problem and the impending dialysis of one Duane L. Weber? The author also states that Tina was horrified and feared he would make her jump with him. He quotes Shaffner as stating that Cooper was a "terribly lonesome man". Again that sounds like someone with an existing problem - love, money, health??? The author also claims that Shaffner spoke with him enough to know he had a checkered past and wished him "Good Luck...I hope you make it". There are many things in this article unknown to the public but then maybe they are all fiction. That Cooper wore white gloves. The note was written in Block Capitals on a single sheet of paper. "I know exactly how long it take to refuel this plane." "Screw me one more time and you're a dead man" in regards to the money not being in a knapsack. Coffelt had a record and was mainly Las Vegas and Phoenix Az. ??? I have a couple of stories I will not relate at this time regarding AZ... specifically Phoenix. Coffelt is said in this article to be known by Mrs. Kennedy, Lady Bird, J.Edgar Hoover and to have been linked to undercover operations in Cuba, Mexico etc (sound familiar?). I was said that he may have been CIA. Coffelt was born in 1916 - known in Oklahoma, Missouri --- spent over 20 yrs in jails, prisons, reformatiories. It was in the 40's that he was in the Atl system and met James Brown in 1944. Coffelt was transferred to Leavenworth and released in 1954. Claimed Coffelt claimed to be wearing an Altimeter on his wrist. This story goes on and on and I will not put my usual signature at the end of this because this story belongs to Byron H. Brown and most of the above is quoted or taken for his two segment story in Oct and Nov Las Vegan Magazine in 1983. I have not found his article on line and obtained it thru hook and crook - OK FBI figure out how I did it. I obtained my copies in 1993. I find it somewhat of a puzzle that this little known story about Cooper / Coffelt has not surfaced in all the Cooper frenzy of recent. It is as though it has purposely been hidden. Anyone knowing how to find the author Byron H. Brown and if he is still alive - let me know. I would love to talk to him and I am sure some of you guys would also. Thank you Byrom for an interesting story.

For Shame Georger - we all thought you had read the other thread - and wondered why you were running these pics. Thanks anyway - if you read the other thread hopefully it will be worth your while. First you have to get past all the garbage that was dished out to me when I started the thread - just read it and you will understand. Some posters did what was a natural response - I don't think they thought I was dead serious about the quest. We all learned a lesson - talk about things and do it nicely, but sometimes I still get my feathers ruffled - tempers seem to be controlled here - if anyone gets out of sorts it is usually me. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I had never seen the map used by Seattle Post Intelligencer - YOU are RIGHT - we are in trouble with info like that. BUT, that has been the problem with this case from get go - poor information or no information at all. Now we got people like you and Carr and Snowmman and Safecrack who are doing a pretty good job. I spoke with a young man tonight who was raised on that river - I called him because the location of Tena's bar just didn't mean anything to me...but for the sake of the story I wanted to be sure it was right. YOU are right - it is at the upper end of the Vancouver Lake. He said if you look at a map with an island there - it is across from that island, BUT that island was NOT there in 1971. I haven't tried this, but I remember something about that island being stated before. Safecrack posted many photos and maps on the other forum before it go locked down - I think it was in those maps. He had some pretty good maps - yours maybe more of the same. When the technical stuff gets over my head I am best to just shut up and observe. Tena's bar never really meant much to me other than it was a place the TV crew took me to and they wanted me to move the sand around like I was looking for Coopers Money. WELL, I knew that was not the place Duane took me the moment we got there and told them so - then I just left and went back up to where the cars were parked and had a good cry. I was not going to to be led into something that might discredit me. We later found an area close to where Duane took me but not dead on - there had been a lot of new homes built on the river so it was difficult. Basically had to go by location and feel (the way the land lies and how it is observed from someone sitting in a car) of the land next to it. This turned out to be property above Winterly Park...still not 100% sure of the exact location. Duane had obviously spent a lot of time in the area to be able to find that place - you couldn't just drive down to it - unless you knew were it was and what you were looking for... WAKE up CARR: GET me some information on that caretaker...it is very important!....you ain't gonna solve this by keeping your head in the sand. When I get out there in the fall - I will have everything prepared and the day before I leave pictures and a request posted will be in the paper - begging and asking for the information that I have asked and begged the FBI for. If the paper won't do it then I will pay for the page...just like an ad. It would be nice to go in NOV, but I have to be able to find the places Duane took me and it is better to do that in the time frame of my original visit to Wa with him. Still waiting for a reply from others about joining me in Oct. in Portland. So far it is BigSky, myself and Gary (not on this forum). Need OLD TIMERS who remember what the land looked like in 1971. May have to run an ad to find this person. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Post the dates of each map and the compilation dates - this is important. Also - WHERE did you find some of those pics. I still think Tena's bar is lower than mark on the map. Tena's bar is in red so that looks like a mark made on the map and not published with the map. There was a farm house there . Also the one that shows the actual dig - the beach was MUCH wider in 2001...so the beach "grew" from 1980 to 2001. Would be nice to over-lay pics from 1980 to 2001. I am only seeing a farm house on the lower side of Vancouver Lake, but it could be gone now. Help Help we need some local yokels from WA on this now. Also does anyone anything about know what appears to be a canal from Vancover lake to the Columbia. Was that there in 1979? Please we need someone from WA to verify the location of Tena's bar - not maps that have been used to attempt various claims. We need to know EXACTLY where it is. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The map or site is only as good as the person putting it there - it is not a real dictionary or encyclopedia. The arrow is to high for "Tena's" bar on that map. You have it at the upper end of Vancouver Lake when it is down toward the lower end of that lake. I don't have a map of it handy, but you will find that the arrow on that map is too High and too far North. The area was part of the Fazio farm and the only river that flows North into the Columbia is the Washougal - that would allow the money to be deposited at the Fazio farm. Although the Fazio property "Tena's Bar" is only a few feet above sea level - rarely - maybe once or twice a yr. does the river rise to the level where the money was found, The farmers used the beach in their farming -which included moving cattle and they claimed that hundreds of people came there for recreational activities. It was the opinion of these long time owners and farmers that IF the money had been there for very long even under a layer of sand that someone would have found it. My father was a farmer - and he knew his land - these 4 brothers knew their land - I will take the word of these long time farmers of that land before that of any hydrologist. The local fishermen also where of the opinion that the money had come down the river from somewhere upstream. They also felt and were in agreement that the money may have been deposited on the beach with the melting snow about 2 wks before (this caused the river to rise) and left the money there covered by a layer of silt. Fishermen and Farmers - good indicators and they knew their land and their waters. Also it has never been explained how the three packets were able to stay together after they separated from the sack if indeed the money bag itself did land in the Columbia. The DZ (per todays' technology) makes the money landing in the Columbia highly improbable. Writers and seekers of Cooper and his money have for 36 yrs moved the DZ to fit their whims or theories. Now it is time to look at FACTS. The DZ and the money in the Columbia and the conditions under which it was found do not fit together like a puzzle piece. That is because they occurred 6 yrs apart. Not one of the theories can explain how three packets arrive together - except what I have been trying to tell the FBI and others since May 24 1996 - for over 12 yrs. I believe the statements I made explain that the only chances of such a deposit being made...these statements where not made by me but by fishermen and farmers in 1980.. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I believe this is the map I am working with. It is a black and white copy mailed to me several yrs ago when I was trying to tell someone about the pipelines and the power lines. This was the reason it was sent to me - so I could make some sense of what he showed me and told me - when I got this map it was ALL right there. Absolutely no mistake at to where he took me and what he said - it was all there! This happened when I was in another forum, but I honestly do not remember who sent it to me. This map was sent by some kind soul who saw and read my plight and trying to tell what was there, but with nothing but a small map in an atlas and an old NorthWest Map which was very old (showed several states) on one side and on the reverse side the SouthWest - I lost that in CA. a few yrs ago and do truely regret the loss of that map... and was in Duane's things. It was an easy to read map by I think Gousha or something like that. We had used that N.W. map in our travels thru out the prior 2 yrs and for all of the yrs afterward...yet I carried it to CA in 2004 and left in the room. I have been provided with other maps but that one gave me the whole picture of our entire trip - and was in the car at the time we went out there in 1979. We also had an atlas in the car. I got rid of when I sold the van - it was falling apart. Since the map we had of the N.W and S.W was not detailed for the area, I referred to the atlas the one time I looked at a map when we were in WA in 1979. This is when he said from hwy 17 -" I think I missed my turn" - but found the turn just as I located it on the map. I now know that where we turned was NOT where I was looking on the map. I doubt that any of this means one iota to 99.99% of you, but I am just relating the process of my discovery and research. Everything I have said from get go is backed up later by maps and actually going back and finding the places. You know I was considered average to slightly above average growing up - but there is NO concievable way I could connoct a story with the details I had in my mind from where he took and and what he showed me and then correlate them with actual places by maps and then when I went back in 2001. Twice in my life I have been to OR and WA and I was not behind the wheel on either of those trips. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Yes - I am feeling better, but because I know there are things I have to do and I have to push to finish this. I still have very bad days. Yes - I am focused on landownership because there is a strong possiblility that the cabin and other places he pointed out may have been owned by someone he knew (and hope that at one time he mentioned the name). I am focused on the LaCames area - there was a man there in 1971 who was a caretaker and I need to know who that man was and what his history was - was he an excon, instructor, jumper, ex-military, etc. The more yrs that go by the less likely I am to get those answers - I think the history and name of this man is very very very important in solving the puzzle. ATTENTION FBI: This man worked for the Ledbetters 1971. He lived in a building near the old mansion. He knew Duane and Duane knew him. I have never spelled this out for the FBI but maybe they need someone to do this...I told them about it before and no one ever did anything about it. This IS NOT the area Duane landed in. Please do not confuse the issues. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have only left the two paragraphs I am going to try to address. Set the stage: 1. 1979 My trip with Duane 2. 1980 When the money was found. 3. 1980 Picture of the area with Himmelsbach in His book 4. 2001 My attempt to reconstruct my trip in 1979...the TV crew decided the location - their "guide" a college student who had only been in the area for 2 or 3 yrs. These are from observations I made in 2001 and considering what I experienced in 1979. None of what I will say is technical, but from life experiences (a large portion of my life was spent on the rivers in Ky.) Some of my family lived on these rivers. In 2001 I was taken to Tena's bar. At that time there were still large trees near but a few yards (about 15 yrds max) from the water. A farm house was near by which was fenced from the public area (or private area used by the public). This was an older home and I believe that someone said it was the same farm house as was there in 1980...but do not know the actual age of the house...if it pre dates 1971 - then it was not devastated by a flood. These trees where mature trees in 2001 so there was debris from those trees. The pictures from 1980 show only scrub trees and a much steeper bank ( per the picture of Himmelsbach and the digging crews in 1980 in his book). Himmelsbach was with us in 2001 - so you can be quaranteed that the location was dead on. He showed them about where the money was found and they wanted me to lean down and pretend to be searching. I refused because this was NOT the spot that Duane had taken me to in 1979. I walked away from the cameras. The crew and Himmelsbach filmed the area. You could look East along the river banks to where the trees where closer to the shore line - Someone (I believed Himmelsbach) explained that was more the way Tena's bar looked in 1980 at the time of the find. The trees to the east where not as old and as large as the trees at Tena's bar. If Tena's bar looked like the East area looked then it would have caught things coming around the bend of the river (the river did curve above Tena's bar in 2001). This left Tena's bar protected in 2001. I wish I had taken a camera and took my own pictures. I know these areas flooded but do not know the yrs. One flood after Cooper jumped wash away and damaged homes in the area. A local needs to pull the history on flood levels and damages from 1971 to 1979. Safecrack was the water flow expert and if you go back to his pics and posts - unless he made an error there is NO tributary that flows into the Columbia from the DZ unless you go all the way to Washougal and the LaCames. The LaCames dam structure would have prevent the money going into the Columbia. The Washougal is way off course and the movement of the river (it is rocky and rapid) would have torn the bag to pieces. Remember my washing the material I thought was like the bag just to make it softer - it raveled and shredded. I bought more and hemmed the edges. Washing it with towels and garden clothes for a few wks - it too shredded (I did rough it up on the driveway and with a rock). This was duck cloth - which is about as close as I can get to the texture of the bag I saw in the van. There is no way that bag came down the Washougal intact or thru the tributary that feeds LaCames then it has to come thru the dam. From the point that Duane threw the paper sack into the Columbia from the bank of the river at the Red Lion. There is a bridge at that point that crosses over into Portland. I asked what he was doing and he said watching something going down the river. It was the paper sack - he had not put it in the trash. From that point the bag due to currents would have washed by against the shoreline down the river and have been caught up in debri and buried. I do not know how the money was packaged inside of the bag - the bag was about 8 inches wide and it was closed with the top fairly secure - thick paper sacking not the thin stuff we see so much of today. I believe he expected it to sink to the bottom of the Columbian and be long gone - instead it was found on the beach about 7 months later. When the news came out about the money he is the one who told me it was worthless and he had not seen the paper or the news --- I told him what I was reading on the front page. The next day he turns in a letter of resignation to be effective as soon as possible. Does not anyone find that ODD. Two wks later there is a special on TV with America's most Wanted and he aranges for us to go out to a bar on a work night. He did not want me to see that special - he was afraid I would put it all together. The bag and the things he said and did on that trip only 7 months prior...he would never be able to run again and hide -he would spend the REST of his LIFE in prison and he had to get out of the WEST... back to the East where he quietly blended away. He was paranoid from 1979 to 1990 - aways suspicious about anyone he didn't know - such as the man who was a private detective who came into the shop. He did not shed that mustach and full head of hair until the very last part of his life. This man knew my principles and he knew I would turn him in - and if I had figured it out who knows what he might have done? I do not really know what I would have done at that time had I known ---------. I believe I would have been afraid of him...and I do not know how that would have made me react. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

How can you possibly say such a thing - there are NO tributaries that can put the money in the Columbia from the proposed DZ. Go do your research - there are none. This has been searched and researched - tell me one tributary that flows from the DZ to the Columbia. -------------------------------------- I do - I was there in 1979 - not at Tena's bar but above that. I have also seen many photos of the area. I was at Tena's bar in 2001. I haven't compared the 1979 map with a 2001 to see what the difference was in those yrs. Don't for get the GREAT flood that happened in the 70's before the find - factor that in. Perhaps someone should post pictures of the Columbia from that Flood and talk about any damages to homes on the shore line. I know of one home I was told was not there or torn-down after the Flood. A place that Duane took me to just East of Winterly Park almost directly across from the Portland Airport. I have never been able to find out who owned that property. ---------------------------------------- - I have a large topographic map dated 1979 - how is that for being dead on with the money find...only a few months later in Feb of 1980. Also what would be more important to compare with this 1979 map would be a 1971 map. I am sure I can get a copy of this 1979 map made some place - such as a surveyor or architect. Measure about 3 ft by 2 ft. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Everything is going right back to where we started when Ckret came to the forum.

ARE YOU REALLY? You ignored this post and others like it for yrs. Re: [Albert18] Gale Goyins and William Gottlieb? (helicoptor pilots) [In reply to] Quote | Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Understand that I am working with a 1979 photo copied topographic map that covers a very large area. There is little detail and I believe the answer to your question is that it is the track that runs thru Brush Prairie. The track in the northern region is labeled Portland and Northern and after it goes thru Helision (there a big crease so I can't read the name of that town - just do the best you can). After this Hel---- it is then referred to as Longview. It passes near Battle Ground Lake and then on to East Battleground. Tukes Mtn is near there (was there a beacon on that Mtn for planes). You may know the answer to this - it IS NOT THE TOWER that Duane referred - that tower was further South. Was just curious. Yes, the track goes thru Brush Prairie. The reason I asked about that Tukes Mtn and mentioned Battleground Lake is because of a comment he made after we left the tower area and the place he talked about the track (which by the way is now farm land and homes) and in the Brush Prairie area. After we pulled back onto the Hwy or Road we were going N. and we would later turn Left (there may have been other turns before getting on the road going N. toward Battleground). He mentioned the Tukes Mtn and Battleground Lake being on up that road...therefore I have always wanted to think that maybe he came down the track ...but, the things he told me ended with the track and tower. Some point in all of this he mentioned pump cars and how much fun they were - he was child like in discussing this, but the FBI has no record of his having been in that area except for the time he was in McNeil. In this same brief conversation he mentioned that the track crosses the Pipelines and power line that he had shown me earlier in the day. Per the map I am looking at, that pipeline in Brush Prairie goes right on down to the other area he had taken me to earlier. In THAT other area that he pointed out Pipe lines and Power lines (which I could not see). He made the statement that yrs ago before all of the undergrowth that you could walk for miles. (my speculation is - This is the area that he was trying to reach to get away from any possible search area...and an area he knew or had made arrangements for.) Now I am not going to tell you where he goes from tha pipeline to get to the other points he had taken me to earlier - but, if you live in the area and it is not too hot and you are strong enough to help an old lady tramp thru some areas - call me. I will come even if I have to be carried. I am not due to go to Wa until Oct. because I have to stay out of the sun and in temps not over 72 degrees - hence why I am do not leave my house except to go to Dr. or Grocery or Mall. In the FL. high heat and humidity - I venture out only after 7 PM in these summer months and can only take about an hour of that - this is when I do my gardening. Albert, I have not trusted you in the past because I do not know who you are - but, I trust that if you are in that area and are able to find anything that you will be honest and forthcoming...about my leading you to it. I do not expect that he left anything that he had not already retrieved...he never said if he removed the items he buried at the tower shed, but because of the way he said it I would assume that he did - He said "One time I buried something behind a shed that used to be here". This was in the location where the tower was - which is now farmland. I have held back from ever giving a lot of information in detail like this because I wanted to go myself, but I may never be physically able to do it. I hope and pray that if someone goes out there and finds something that they will do the RIGHT THING...but before you do the right thing - CALL me. Don't let me have to read it on TV or in the Newspapers. All of this from - That poor crazy troubled dislusional woman. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright©2008 by Jo Weber Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

BULL ---- and you know it! YOU cannot prove any of that. After all of the theories presented on this forum you act like a stubborn MULE. Keep you head buried in the sand like an Ostrich - and you will never solve this case. In fact, I am beginning to believe the FBI doesn't want more investigation of this case because they already know who Cooper was. Ok I'm a pig and I waller, but I got opinions and I know what I saw and what Duane told me - before anything was ever publicized regarding these things. After all of Sluggo's work and the other theories that have been presented you can make narrow minded statements that do not show an open mind-set - I have seen this happening not only in law enforcement but in our government policies - ALL talk and no action - when the law does act it is most often inappropriate - with a recent example being over 400 children taken away from their parents...rather than investigate and find out which children were actual victims. The government chose to tramatize over 400 children and their parents. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

McCoy was heavily debated in a forum on Unsolved Mysteries - it was locked down because of a guy claiming McCoy was Cooper and then he kept switching sides - this turned out to the the same person who took Mayfield out as a suspect. It was long and boring - DBCoopercatcher as he called himself made life for everyone there miserable - eventually he managed without my help to get the thread locked down. It has been proven time and time again that McCoy could not be Cooper---right at this moment I don't want to try to look it up. Go read that old forum - I think it might still be available to read and then decide if you really want this forum and this thread to go that way. It was cut-throat all the way. Spare yourself and everyone else. Go read the whole thread (will take you days.) - you will find the answer there. It came down to improbabilities - no way he could get from point A to point B in the time involved and he was on duty with his unit. It wasn't possible except in the mind of an FBI agent who wanted to write the great American novel. This FBI agent was able to access evidence. This agent took the tie to the wife who did not live in Wa. Ckret says the tie did not leave the office - so it is who you believe - the family, the agent or the FBI. It was in this same time frame the cigarette butts came up missing ... dna was starting find it's place in crime solving. Odd is it not? I am only stating things that have been said before - read it and make your report back to the forum. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

++++++ It was just another piece of information - I don't know if it would prove anything, but just one more thing to pull into the analysis. Something that had not been mentioned before. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

We lived in lots of places. Denver CO, Fort Collins CO, Mobile AL, Atlanta, GA, Virgiania Bch. VA, and Birminham AL. In every place we lived we traveled to make our living - so we were always in the road - there would be Skydiving Centers around - it was just a matter of chance I think and not by plan. We only attended 1 event in our marriage related to skydiving. His teminology when they wanted him to take a management position in 1984 or 83 in Va? This position required he train a crew of men - he did not want to take it - he said "I have to keep a low profile" .

OR: It could be a ending with no ending - let the public decide with a postage free vote they recieve with each ticket purchased. When it wins the Emmy they announce who Cooper was - everyone wins and everyone plays. This way the audience gets their two cents in - just like the forum had done. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Cable - what's that? This is the most fun I have had in this forum. BTW Cable is a sensiless waste of money to watch an average of 2 hours per day. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thanks I really needed that - I actually LOL. You must have known I was having a bad day and needed a laugh. I can visualize it in my head just like a comic page. It is funny funny funny - makes me wish I was a real good artist. Cooper, Sluggo and Ckret on a iceberg with an American Flag flying no less. Cooper is the one dressed in a wet suit with a briefcase (a bomb to change the tide), Sluggo has his trusty computer actually up and working on that iceberg...Ckret has bathing trunks on with a pencil behind his ear but is holding onto a life preserve....he he he. . Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I will not divulge the source that is why I asked Ckret if it was true. He had better not write ONE word about Duane or use my landing area or any part of what I have said in this forum or else where - especially the post I made today givng the specifics as best as I can of where Duane went down. The man is a leech as far as I am concerned - you guys do not know how much information he ciphered off of me in our phone calls. Just call me a SUCKER..but not crazy or disalusioned. I have not intended to hint - just state that he talked about the pump cars at that time - I surmised that he might have used one...since I did not know exactly where he landed. The FBI had Cooper so much further North that I thought this might have been how he got to the point he took me to...with the tower and shed and the fact that he mentioned the tracks. I told Cook about the area - in an email or on the phone a long long time ago...yrs ago. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have a real hard time with maps on the computer. What I need is an up to date ground map the same size and area as this old Topography map - to lay one over the other and then we get roads and houses and all of those things that would be like my making a trip there and then I might find the exact roads we turned on and off of. I would be able to pin-point the things and the places he took me. It would be better if the the google map was also dated 1979. The map I am working with is 1:100 000- scale metric of Vancouver, Wa It is a geological survey map. Wow, to be able to overlay two maps like that - would be a dream come true. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber