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The FOIA reveals little conversation between Cooper and Tina, yet we all know that more had to have been said in the time they had together. SO MUCH has been removed from that file that it is useless. If it was Tina that spoke to me on the phone that day a few yrs ago - more had to have been said. I don't remember the exact words, but she indicated he was a very sad person - I would think it not possible to form such an opinion regarding a persons state of mind unless there was more conversation than the public has been told by the FBI or in the FOIA. I am perhaps one of the few individuals to have had the opportunity to speak with Tina (if it really was her). The only one who has ever said it might not be Tina was the obnoxious Galen Cook in 2 of this phone calls to me after he had bugged me for 4 yrs for her address and phone number which I NEVER gave to him. I assumed he was pissed because I refused to divulge a confidence and a promise I made to her. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I am not up at 4 AM in the morning for my health.

I have to get my two cents in here even with a sleeping pill in me. I have alway been told that Cooper had No accent which is taken in those days to mean he had a midwest accent that would pass all over the states...many of our commentator were midwest as it was the one most understood thru out the US except the deep deep south. Before Duane Died he wanted to go for a ride. I tried to get clothes and diapers on him for that ride because it was stormy and pouring rain. We only got to out side the door and he knew we could go no further, but he was yelling. "Come on Jo, Lets get this show on the road - lets get on down the road" He was unrelenting in wanting to get the show on the road. All we managed was his covered in the wheelchair and having a cigarette with the wind and rain blowing like hell. There was a army paratrooper standing there and Duane took up a quick conversation with him - he knew the man was a paratrooper because of an imblem I guess or a pin. The weather was terrible and the space tight - and we went back inside. I know there was a mention of Belgium but that is all I recalled - I was too busy trying to shelter him. It was an unseasonal cold wet stormy night in Florida that night - he died two days later. The next day he was ranting again about getting the F...ing Show on the Road, but the nurses sedated him. He fought them he was standing and they wanted to put a patch on his back - he was as strong as a horse and he said NO NO their are goiing to kill me. Well, they did get a patch on his back and after I left they kept pumping pills into him - when I returned around noon the next day he was talking riddlles and then made the death gurgle. They had OD'd him that night. The last statements he made. "that the baby downstair BRING THE BAby upstairs. I can't go till the baby gets her" There was a qurgle and "I lovvve youu" and then he was no more. He left this world in the same horrible weather on March 28 after having ceased diaylisis as bravely as he made that jump on November 24, but this time he was in a wheelchair and not standing on the aft stairs of a 727. He alway when through his plans regardless of what the consequences where. That is who he was. He did not expect to survive that jump. He had gone to Kansas to find his wife and she wasn't there and he set off to WA where both son were serving. He didn't find her and there was and is a daughter somewere in that part of the country named Zona - I guess he coudn't fine her either . He never got to say good bye,..she whould have been about Tina's age and blonde - raised in a Catholic school. A wet picture is all he had of a 8 rys old child when he last saw her and she said she didn't want to seen him again. I think he chose Tina because of her age and appearance - I frankly believe there was conversatoin between Tina and Duane that we will never know about. From what little Tina told me when she talked to me (if it was Tina ) was the man was a very unhappy man and to let it go. As has been said to me before - was I really speaking to Tina? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

CKRET - Attention: Only here to show CKRET something I have been Holding. Read the article. CKRET: Pay attention . I told you about this, but you kept up your insistent argument that the system was infallible. Remember our conversation about 10 months ago on the phone! You have also been recently notified that the FBI does not have comprehensive left hand prints of Duane L. Weber in the MASTER. Duane was LEFT handed. For once APOLOGIZE - YOU made a MISTAKE and the FBI makes MISTAKES - such as Ruby Ridge. It is about time the FBI made a concerted effort to right the wrongs of yesterdays. See you in WA. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

377: No, I haven't noticed that. How do you define "positive direction?" Since my words get completely turned around by others on the forum it is time for me to go just as Sluggo has. Some individuals take all the hard work done by Sluggo and others who have spent a lot of time and their own money on technical research only to be treated badly by a couple of manuvering posters who have no motive other than to diffuse the facts and continue the myth. If you will notice when I said "positive direction" I did not refer to Duane - but the crime itself and possible clues that we may have missed...such as the interpretation of what Tina said. I was excited by those pictures of the bag posted (with the white frayed cord) and the information about loops versus handles. What did she really see? Only Tina knows the answer to that. Unlike others I try to not go back and take someone's words and hash them around - other than to try to keep the myth out of the truths, but as I have said I am too old and not smart enough or computer savvy enough to do that. It makes no difference what contributions I make - I am made fun of or my words are over analyzed with only one purpose by those doing so. No one know why our own government continues to cover-up mistakes made by previous administrations and law enforcement, but it is a fact that the cover-up is there. I wish I had the time to find out WHY? When our secretive government finally releases "secret" and closed documents I will occupy not this life, but whatever lies beyond us. Our own government refuses to acknowledge past mistakes and continues to hide the truth in not only this case but others - by omission, editing of files and other words better left unsaid. I leave you with these reminders: Fingerprints (comprehensive left hand prints conveniently left off master and not addressed by the FBI). The arrest in 1976 and 1980. One incident involved a gun in the possession of a felon. Non disclosure of the Jefferson file and the Commutation of Sentence. The DNA - how convenient, to exclude individuals, but to state that there were multiple partial DNAs (Carr's words to me on the phone when he contacted me before he went public), yet "loose" or "it is in Reno" the only positive DNA they have for Cooper. The FBI has ignored what I told them about the tie and refused to make available detailed photos of that clasp. When they found out why I wanted this, the archived files of over 13000 photos where suddenly shut down from public viewing.Not a co-incidence. To publicly try to discredit me by saying I had knowledge of the DNA several months prior to their going public - anyone who knows me knows that is not true and Carr knows that is not true. The FBI has provide NO valid evidence that Weber was not Cooper.

This is worst than the convention - the packing cards - we never even knew if that was true - it was in a book. Who cares? Dual personality or two people using one posting name? This actually happened on another forum regarding Cooper. I am getting that same feeling here.

I want to know if anyone has notice in the past several months that when any of us make a post that suggests something we were not aware of before and going in a positive direction the following posts go a complete different direction. Now this is parnoid at its height -It is as though we are being diverted to a different train of thought on purpose. We were talking about how the money was attached and suddenly we go into a repetive back lash. Different trains for different folks I guess. I was really interested in the line of thought we had going about the attachment of the money to the jumper. Maybe I am watching too much - of the Presidential crap on TV. Have you notice the candidates when asked a question end up NOT answering the question, but leading the interviewer in a different direct - the question never gets answered? Politics and Cooper sure have a lot in common...twisting of facts, lots of misinformation, answering questions with a leading diverson. I believe it is called the DUMBING down of AMERICA. Right now I don't want to vote for either of them. Neither one of the candidates gives direct answers. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Again - fiction and fact - WHERE does the FACTs state he pulled the packing cards out and tossed them on the floor? Snowmman you are getting this all messed up. The packing card was something that is packed with the chute telling who packed it (as to my understanding ). The only time a packing card was mentioned was in one of the fiction books. We are ALL aware of the instruction sheet that Tina was given - a packing card in the chute and the instruction sheet Tina had possession of are TWO different animals as I understand it. If I am wrong ok - but you guys (skydivers hashed this out in the other thread or earlier in this one) I had nothing to do with it that information. One is fiction and one is fact. But both are not fact. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Again - fiction and fact - WHERE does the FACTs state he pulled the packing cards out and tossed them on the floor? As I said you are beginng to sound like someone else - and not Georger. SLUGGO - please come back - I am not young enough or smart enough to keep the Myths and facts separate. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

If you will note at that time in this thread CKRET was doing a lot of speculation and I felt it unprofession for him to be doing this and now refrains from doing so. We need to see the documentation from the FOIA in regards to this. Many interpretations can be drawn from the statement made by CKRET. What did a frightened young stewardess actually see? Could she have thought he was devising handles when it could have been loops to attach the package to himself? As for tying rope around his waist - what did she actually see? Considering the lenght of rope removed from the chute - perhaps what she saw was his using a piece of rope to secure the package to his waist, but from what direction did she view this. If he had been facing her he would have noted her observance and have told her to go on forward. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger - go back and do your research. You are listening to fiction, She saw little of this - he sent her forward. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

With Sluggo gone you are mixing fact and myth, Georger. Why don't you talk to Himmelsbach about that. Don't believe everything that is written or posted. I can assure you Mayfield was not Cooper - go back and read all the prior post from both threads - you will see what I mean. There is no need to repeat all of that. Like CKRET told you - you have a lot of reading to do. You are beginning to sound very familiar. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

What is an alligator clip? That got my attention earlier - what does it look like? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Magazine is a now-defunct UK climbing/mountaineering magazine called "Mountain" Number 99. Sept./Oct. 1984.Quote You absolutely amaze all of us with the fantastic stuff you dig up. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

That brought a smile

Well, it seems like this was a wild goose chase - After spending most of the day on the phone and computer - It was another dead end. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Snowmman: I have NEVER asked you a question like that. WHAT in the WORLD are you talking about???? I have never asked a question like that and don't have a CLUE what you are talking about. SomeBODY else must have asked you that question - NOT ME!. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

For Heaven Sake - Orange you are trying to get this thread LOCKED? ALL I did was state the last things that have happened. 1.My putting a suspect in Lynden, WA. 2.The boo-boo with the prints -because there is NO comprehensive prints of the left hand included in the FBI master prints. The Suspect was left handed. He is still a suspect. I spoke with Mr. Himmelsbach as I did several others today regarding the prints and what I have found. So for the SAKE of the thread I am just going to be very very quiet. Forgive me for over-stepping any boundary lines - please. So unless I have something useful to contribute I will only loft. Thought ALL of you might be interested in a photo found in a Magazine. I only reviewed that magazine today - as I had shoved it aside. A man jumping with a very large container between his legs.

Orange stated: My Reply: She was the one calling me in at 2am and 3 am in the mornings. She had a limited income and I would turn around and call her back out of courtesy. My usual contact with her was at a more appropriate time. As for the Commutation why harp at me about that - the forum told me about Commutations. I was not smart enought to question it. ------------------------------------- My Reply: Would it not have been more considerate to quote the entire statement........ What I stated in its entirety: I could give up, but it is too late to give up - I gave 13 yrs of my life to this cause. I have become an old woman researching this and would like to know the truth - I think I deserve to know the truth - if there is one. That is NOT sad. That is me pushing for answers before it is too late...because once I am gone - there is no one left to fight this battle. WHY, because NO one REALLY cares, but me WHO COOPER REALLY WAS. Others just want to know HOW he did it and HOW he got away. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I stated as a senariao: "Makes me paranoid - such as who is Georger, who is Snowmman, who is Sluggo, who is Orange - I have tried and tried to keep the "covert" thing out of this, but put yourself in my shoe right this minute...who do you trust and what do you do with the information." Orange your reply was: "Well Jo, I am finding it very hard not to actually swear at you here. I don't know who the others are, but if you bothered to look at my profile you would see that I registered on this site long, long before you arrived. " My explanation Orange, I do not believe anyone else took my tongue in cheek express personally the way you did. I simply used the names I mentioned because they have been the most interactive with me as of recent. There was NO intention of accusing them of anything. ------------------------------------- Also Orange you stated: "Oh, and here's a simple suggestion: if you are going to get paranoid about the "information" you give out, then perhaps a public forum on the internet is not the place to do it. " My reply to that is: You are the one who seems to get out of sorts at almost anything I say. I am simply trying to get a point across...that it is uncomfortable finding information that put Duane in WA during the associated yrs I have been referring to for several yrs and the lack of communication with the FBI regarding what they knew about Duane. Would you not be uncomfortable if a work associated confessed to a violent crime. The FBI tells you that there is no way as he was never in the area and his prints and DNA do not correspond with crime scene. Then you happen chance at a much later date find verifiable information that puts him where the FBI has said he was not and with a spouse. The spouse claimed that the culprit nor herself had ever been in that area. Would not that scenario make you uncomfortable? What better way to protect yourself than to publically announce your find. If it proves to be incorrect - the worst that can happen is you are made fool out of. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

All of this talk about the chutes and the money is not going to solve this case - and tell us who Dan Cooper was. The more I learn about Duane Weber the more confusing this gets. The prints that supposedly substanciate a Master File: Duane was LEFT handed. These prints on do a forward press with the left hand and full prints with the right hand. It should be the opposite with a left handed person for the prints - doesn't this make any of you take a second look at prints - they don't have good prints of Duane Weber's left hand. After Duane died and I digested who Dan Cooper was, I contacted the ex-wife of the 60's. She told me over the yrs that she did not know his name was Duane Weber until he was being released from Jefferson, Mo. From the records I am finding this not to be accurate - perhaps she told to me this because it was embarrassing - in 1969 he uses Duane L. Weber. So from 1962 when she met John Collins - they must have traveled a LOT - also she had to have known he was also Duane Weber during this time. Records from such places as Livingston,TX, Montrose CO, Laurel NE, Lynden WA, and Osmond NE - plainly state Duane L Weber and this ex-wifes name. She told me she had NEVER been in WA, but she had 2 sons who were there at different given times. Why did she deny that she knew him as Duane L. Weber prior to 1968? These are places that Duane mentioned over the yrs and some that she recounted in her telling of their life together. She never mentioned NE. or WA. - so it makes me wonder WHY? Yrs ago I got a letter from a man - stating that he knew that Duane Weber was Cooper. He spoke of an orchestration by the FAA and FBI to force the airlines to implement safety steps and other rulings. He wanted me to step away from my digging into Duane's past - as the instigators were only following orders of others higher up. He refers to others who are still alive (at that time) - the brains behind the operation, a supervisor, and several "legmen" who continue the "cover-up". He claimed to have been involved in some of Duane's training and because Duane screwed-up by commiting another crime (having to go to prison) ... the project was delay. He also indicated that my continued investigation could cause the incarceration of others involved and that was a long list. He asked me to leave it be - like poison ivy. Now with my discovery of Duane's history in WA and NV as Duane L. Weber (with this ex-wife) during a time he was supposedly living as John Collins in other places gives me cause to revisit this. A LOT of individuals have gone to great lenghts to keep me from learning about his past...but the era of the WEB caught up with them...information out there no one ever dreamed would be as simply as click, click and print. Makes me paranoid - such as who is Georger, who is Snowmman, who is Sluggo, who is Orange - I have tried and tried to keep the "covert" thing out of this, but put yourself in my shoe right this minute...who do you trust and what do you do with the information you have. Yrs ago I asked that if this was true - to sit down with me with the proof, but NO one offered to do that maybe because it is all fantasy by the man who told me these things. Yet, the facts as I uncover them seem to support what this man had told me. Well, the can of worms is open now. What will we do with them - go fishing? OR do I ignore this and go forward like I have been doing --- will I ever know the truth or will there just be more twisting and turning of the facts and the myths? I could give up, but it is too late to give up - I gave 13 yrs of my life to this cause. I have become an old woman researching this and would like to know the truth - I think I deserve to know the truth - if there is one. Only because of the technology has Cooper's identiy been threatened - maybe these leg men dropped their balls...if there is such a thing as "leg men". I pushed this man's testimony away a long time ago and it comes back to haunt me a couple of times a yr when I make new discoveries that support what he told me. Lynden Wa and Laurel NE definitely do that...and working the 2 identities all over the country. Georger - you are right Duane wasn't smart enough to plan this but he had the guts to do it. Another way to look at it - he was a coward - he figured he might die in the jump and not spend yrs struggling on a kidney machine. You are the one who likes to explore what makes a person tick so try that one. I am probably more right than I am wrong. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

DUANE LIVED IN LYNDEN, WA WITH MARY JANE HE ALSO LIVED IN LIVINGSTON TX, among a few other places. Now I know why he talked about Canada. The FBI has to have knowledge of this residency - obviously not. Waiting for my contact to finish with Lynden - since this came up on a wk-end getting the verifications will be later. I have been doing somethings on my own and the dates had to be between - 1962 and 1971...I am not even going to discount the prison time because there are so many stories involving this. For Lynden to count as a residence with Mary Jane - they had live there and pay utilities even if it was for a month. Lynden only has a population at this time of around 10K - no clue as to the Pop in prior yrs. Glendora is not far a way nor is Bellingham. He spoke of Glendora but I had NO idea it was in WA. If anyone knows someone in that area - let me know and I will contact them. I will send every picture I have of the two individuals who live in that area. Someone has to remember them. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I spoke with that Mr. Weber yrs ago and knew he was of NO relation. The information I have regarding Lynden WA gives his (wifes name) and his age. It also references other places I knew they lived. Right now it is being verified. Someone else asked if he spoke French - that is a no - not to my knowledge other than the common expressions we all know. The village has Dutch connections. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Sorry I wasn't shouting I was excited and confused by this piece of information. Still am after sleeping on it. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

CKRET - WHY! WHY DID I HAVE TO FIND THIS ON MY OWN. DUANE LIVED IN LYNDEN, WA WITH MARY JANE AND YET SHE DENIED EVERY BEING IN WASHINGTON. I NEED TO KNOW WHY I HAD TO FIND THIS ON THE INTERNET. HE ALSO LIVED IN LIVINGSTON TX, among a few other places. Please WAKE up...now I know why he talked about Canada. You guys had to have had this information all along - yet, I was told that the only time he was in WA was while he was incarcerated at McNeil. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber