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I don't mean to imply that religion is never exploited for profit. Nor am I trying to argue that only Western religions (to include Western cults) are the ones that do it. It can and does happen with some of the Eastern religions (at least here in America) as well. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I was just asking. I don't doubt your experiences. The wandering Buddhists asking for money/ food seems to be the most authentic example of Buddhism (of the examples you provided), which, in some forms, promotes giving up all worldly possessions in favor of allowing God to provide their food and shelter, via the kindness of strangers. In our materialist society, this would be interpreted as begging. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I don't think anyone is trying to deny that these are, officially or otherwise, goverment representatives. As such, they should not be involved in torture, or shady extraditions for the purpose of ensuring prisoners are tortured. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

While I do have an answer for you, we should either take this discussion to a thread more relevant, or start a new thread, instead of hijacking this one. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

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? ? ? ? Could you please clarify that sentence? I signed my name on the line, just like everyone else. I was paid to do a job, defend the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I believed that the CIC (President Clinton) had the nation's best interests at heart, which I cannot honestly say today, with W. at the helm. I've done many things as part of a job that I would have been hesitant to do without pay, such as supervising subordinates with an eye towards the company's bottom line. On the other hand, if I feel that strongly about something, it doesn't matter what the price, I won't do it. An empty stomach is nowhere near as bad as a guilty conscience, IMO. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

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There is also the pretty high liklihood that, if Douglas Adams had said "If . . . panic," it would come up on a google search for D.A. quotes containing the word panic. I haven't seen it yet. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Wouldn't that only be a personal attack if given in reply to one of God's posts? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I agree, the nation is larger than any one war. However, I do not like the idea of "pledging allegience" to anything. It seems to much like blind support to me, and I do not believe it is healthy or responsible to give blind support to anything. Just because I do not stand for the pledge, does not mean that I dislike the country, only that tradition. I find it in no way disrespectful to America to excercise my rights, rights which the Constitution guarantees the government cannot infringe. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I thought we were fighting for oil, a prize not worthy of bloodshed. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

That can go both ways. IMO, Billvon gives some of the clearest, least muddled posts in SC. I don't believe his direct quote was any more misleading than was intended by its original author. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Agreed. Much of it is sementics, but I believe coontinuously mentioning Iraq and OBL/ Al Quada in the same breath for months on end is intentionally misleading people. There has been no hard eveidence of a connection produced. That doesn't mean that there is absolutely no connection, but circumstantial eveidence just as strong (some al quada cells have trained in America) could link AQ to USA. That does not make it true. Yes, there is, and Shrub keeps preventing the attacks from being thoroughly investigated, independently. Kudos for not watching Fox. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

The internet is full of media reports on Whitehouse claims of Iraq and al quada connections. While it is probably true that the direct connection was never literally made between Saddam and WTC attacks, the two were associated together often enough by officials as to imply such a connection, to mislead the people. No credible evidence has indicated significant ties between al quada and SH. Isn't it funny how those who got their news from Fox were most like to buy into the misperceptions? http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/special_packages/iraq/6918170.htm?1c Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

No, just the first of lots that I was able to find. Want some more? "The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html Is there some reason you doubt the credibility of the Washington Post? Or do you have some different excuse for it? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

A hint? You're kidding, right? From the transcript of NBC's Meet the Press: [GENERAL WESLEY]CLARK: "There was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001, starting immediately after 9/11, to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein." RUSSERT: "By who? Who did that?" CLARK: "Well, it came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. It came from all over. I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.' I said, 'But--I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence." http://www.fair.org/press-releases/clark-iraq.html I was wrong about the effort beginning 9-11-02, but there was a deliberate effort to make the connection, without evidence. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

It is true. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

It wasn't until after the invasion in 2003 that Shrub's adminastration went back to their story of no Iraq-9/11 connections. I understand why it is so difficult to keep up when they keep changing their position. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Ron, as CIC, Shrub is responsibility for all actions under his charge. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I have been guilty of this on occasion. I do it when claims are made that a religious figure, such as Jesus, is attributed with beliefs he clearly did not have, and feel that oftentimes it is passages from the Bible or other religious texts that best illustrate the point, and are least refutable, wrt the actual thoughts of the author(s). Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Between 9-11-02 until the invasion, Shrub repaetedly told us how SH was partially to balme for 9-11-01. The answers should be given first. I can't be accused of ignoring them before then. That is the case. He has stnewalled any attempts at an independent investigation, and withheld some of the findings of the 9/11 Commission. That is hardly showing a willingness to investigate. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

The circumstances of 9/11 don't even begin to stress the capabliities of SOP of our air defense systems. Here try checking out some facts: "The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types. * Failures to report: Based on the official timeline, the FAA response times for reporting the deviating aircraft were many times longer than the prescribed times. * Failures to scramble: NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases. * Failures to intercept: Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds. * Failures to redeploy: Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them. Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified. It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases to scramble. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters." http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/ Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I never said one way ot the other if his donation was enough, in my opinion, which you would know if you read my posts on the thread before you replied to them. You like to assume that you know exactly what I think about any given issue, but the fact is you don't know anything about me, let alone why I believe the way I do on certain issues. So, please wait for me to tell you what my position is before you tell me why my position is wrong. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I stand corrected Dorbie. What my quote should have said was: "Why is the president so eager to go to war in Iraq to avenge it, to the extent of repeatedly lying to the public about Iraq'a connections with the September 11 attacks?" My point was that he has continuously used the WTC attacks in the very same manner that A.H. used the Reichstag fire. He has been far more eager to go to war over the attacks than he has been willing to actually investigate the attacks to see what really happened. As for Shrubs's actions or lack thereof on September 11, 2001, the questions are still valid an unanswered. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

The SOP was in place. It worked with Payne Stewart's jet. It was followed by multiple fighters who were there to shoot it down should it head towards a populated area. That it was not actually shot down indicates nothing since the plane did not crash into a populated area. Clinton was not at the helm that day. Clinton had nothing to do with NORAD not acting. That is something that requires the current president. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!