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Yes, and outfitted with more telemetry gear than a Predator UAV. Perfect HAHO jump weather today. Clear, warm 5 mph wind. 377 so let's hear some more details! Well, the telemetry was kinda intersting, If I take my pulse rate in the morning, rested and prone, it is in the 60s. On these two HAHO jumps last Saturday it was in the high 150s for sustained periods. Working a ham radio contest under Snow's demanding tutelage, it was in the 90s. Stress does elevate pulse rate. After 41 years of skydiving I thought that a normal solo jump with no RW pressures or gear problems wasn' t scary at all. WRONG If I was spiking 158 on a relatively low stress jump what was Cooper's heart rate? Could he have suffered stress induced tachycardia and some kind of cognitive or functional impairment? My SpO2 (blood oxygen levels) varied between about 94 and 97, unremarkable. I'll post some pix from Saturdays jumps in a link: http://tiny.cc/7y00v The black chest vest contained a couple of ham radio transceivers on 144 MHz and 1200 MHz. The cammo (sorry, thats all I could find) leg pack carried a big pile of ham radio telemetry gear which reported my position, speed, course and altitude. It also transmitted pulse and blood oxygen levels from a fingertip sensor which I wore during parts of the descent where I didnt need to use the canopy control lines. I left my slider down after opening and flew in half brakes until final approach to keep my speed slow. Wind noise in the mics was less of a problem that way. Seriously, could Cooper have been impaired by a racing heart? Any medical folks care to comment? Snow, what can you find on your special Google preferred user searches? Braden probably would have stayed at his resting pulse rate during the jump but not 377. 377 must like adrenaline. At $17 a pop it is an affordable drug. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yes, and outfitted with more telemetry gear than a Predator UAV. Perfect HAHO jump weather today. Clear, warm 5 mph wind. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

yeah... Sure. If they intend to use the intercept in court of course they follow the Constitution. If they don't, the evidence can be suppressed. What about plain old warrantless snooping to move an investigation along? Do you really think the FBI never does that? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Reticence in connection with a terrorism investigation will soon be a crime. Doubting the competence of any agency involved in the investigation of terrorism will soon be a crime. We have to patch these loopholes. Can't have any terror symps getting off on technicalities can we? Oh, and contemplation, preparation or any activities, passive or active, that are likely to precede the purchase of excessive or unusual amounts of hair care products which are capable of being components of explosive devices needs to be a felony. It's no coincidence that the beauty industry is populated by foreigners. We need to act quickly before they cache the stuff. Beauty salon, terrorist cell, the distinction is only a matter of interpretation. Snowmman Industries has bid on the extraordinary rendition contracts for the CIA. Snow is buying up time expired Cypres AADs dirt cheap along with old round canopies and worn out rigs. By eliminating the need for landing the aircraft to deliver the prisoners for Eastern Euro torture, profits will soar. He can land in Snow friendly Slovenia which has arranged to deliver "liberated" Soviet JP 4 fuel and Siberian diamonds in trade for big screen TVs, ring laser gyros and several kilos of tritium scavanged from self illuminating exit signs. The CIA really likes the air delivery idea. No pesky airport plane spotters to take pictures of hooded guys deplaning. Bruce, we want a FULL report on the Cooper fest. Hey, if Ckret can be covertly videoed putting the moves on a local "badge bunny" maybe we can convince him to come back to the forum. The recording gear is already installed by SI. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

So if Ckret asks me if Snow has made any derogatory statements about the Bureau's handling of the Cooper investigation and I say no, I can be indicted? Man. I hope Jo was right and they do have prisoner smokejumpers. If I cut the S/L and use my reserve I bet I can get a few seconds of freefall while doing time at Club Fed. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

PC culture really shows in that photo. Back in the day that bomb would be covered with inscriptions from those who worked on it wishing ill upon the citizens of the target country. The Boeing employees were obviously well trained in cultural sensitivity, either that or they just put fresh paint on it for the news photos. http://warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/ussr-history-research/31408d1237972491t-photos-soviet-military-industry-being-work-600_1741999029_big.jpg If the pen is truly mightier than the sword we should reconsider the leaflet bomb: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.psywarrior.com/MonroeBomb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.psywarrior.com/dissemination.html&usg=__E6N843gNgwL9Nut2V3lMd9r39TE=&h=304&w=400&sz=31&hl=en&start=14&um=1&tbnid=JRvmUQmpBajOSM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWW2%2Bbomb%2Bwith%2Binscriptions%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GPEA_enUS294US294%26um%3D1 Sure seems small for 30,000 lbs. Must have some high density parts. Any depleted unranium in it? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Be sure to look for Ckret (FBI Special Agent Larry Carr) at the Cooper fest. He may be heavily disguised. Look for a square jawed guy who isn't drinking or trying to pick up local women. That should narrow it down to 1 or 2 candidates. Remember when Carr said bank robbers were dumb? Well, this guy lowered the bar even further: a local parolee, wearing a fully funtioning GPS position reporting device locked to his body, robbed a bank!!! http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10370950-71.html Snowmman Industries is building a spoofer that will give such people GPS alibis. They will be priced for organized crime figures, not street thugs. Users can hang with the boys in Vegas, travel abroad freely secure in the knowledge that their parole GPS trackers will report local residence and frequent trips to visit their mom in the nursing home. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger makes some good points. Binge drinking is institutionalized, especially at the undergrad level in colleges. Some fraternities have traditions centered around alcohol abuse. On the lighter side, I saw some stickers at WFFC that read: "My drinking club has a skydiving problem" 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

There once was a DZ in California that had a bar operating all day and most of the night. Draw your own conclusions. I once listened to a jumper with gin on his breath, at this DZ, ranting about the "goddamned hippies at Elsinore" who were jumping drugged. We werent sitting at the bar, we were riding in a DC 3. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

PACER, the database "compromised" just has federal court records, not police, jail or FBI records unless they were exhibits in a court case. Lawyers use it a lot. Nothing secret in it, you could get a free look at court records by going to the courthouses and asking the clerks to pull the files but PACER allows online national viewing of motions, pleadings and other papers for a fee. 99.9% of it is deadly dull, but not all of it. This federal case was anything but dull: the entire cockpit crew of an NWA 727 flew DRUNK! http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/27/us/prison-for-3-northwest-pilots-who-flew-jet-while-drunk.html Simply amazing. It also shows that you can operate a 727, known as a tricky plane to land, with less than optimal crew performance. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I agree. When I got back into jumping in 1999 after a several year layoff I was able to buy an old but serviceable very clean Vector with a leg strap pilot chute pouch, a Fury 220 main and a Raven reserve all for $350. It had no AAD and the rig was a Vector V9 which had reserve pack tray too narrow for a Cypres to fit. I had a rigger check it all out and add an RSL and convert the pilot chute to BOC. I was in business for well under $500. It was dumb jumping without an AAD but nothing bad happened. I loved jumping again and soon bought a decent rig. In hindsight I should have bought a good rig with an AAD. If I had to wait to afford it so be it. Old rigs have just about zero resale value. I was lucky and sold my Raven reserve for $400 and upgraded to a PDR 193. I doubt if I could get that much for a Raven reserve today. The other stuff: Fury 220 (actually a nice flying canopy) and old Vector has almost no resale value. If you add up reserve repacks I'd have probably been better off renting until I could afford a good rig. It happens in every hobby, newbies buy gear too soon and make bad choices. One of my other hobbies is ham radio and I see this happen all the time. There are unscrupulous sellers who prey on these eager beginner types. My advice is to wait. Don't but anything right away. Get gear advice from experienced jumpers who are not trying to sell you anything. I bought too soon, but was lucky and didnt get hosed on price. The guy selling it said it wasn't worth a lot and told me as time passed it would be worth a lot less, so I bought fully informed. My rigger also said it was a decent buy so I bought it. And don't get a tiny canopy to start out with. If you want one work down to it VERY slowly. Start with conservative wing loading. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

OK, prove it. Let's see the evidence. And what exactly is "ranger training"? Prisoners picking up trash or even fighting fires in a state or national park is hardly "ranger training." 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I am surprised they didnt try to sell him some C4. He already exhibited "pre terrorist" characteristics by "exfiltrating" public records. You've got to get them early. It's too late when they are flying a 767 with no intentions to land. It is perfectly understandable why the FBI can't find Cooper: they are swamped with urgent critical national secuirty matters like this one. Good work by the Bureau, I can sleep even better tonight. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That alone is "grounds" for arrest. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow, your ability to find answers to the most obscure questions amazes me. Could cooper's body be stuck in the river bottom muck? Wonder why the "fleet" would churn up so much more than the constant passage of merchant ships? Hey, did you see the FBIs latest hyper spin on Zazi? Their PR dept. must be operating the ultracentrifuge isotope separator they were unable to sell to the Muslims who operate the local convenience store. The FBI now describes him as a major terrorist suspect, planning a sequel to 911, etc. The US can sleep well tonight. Zazi was surely the next Bin Laden. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Tha's possible Jo, but seeing things from the air (just prior to exit) and from the ground (after landing) can be VERY different. I have jumped from a balloon. You get a good idea of what you are jumping into, but once on the ground unless there are familiar distinct landmarks, you can be pretty lost as to which way is out. Been there, done that over rural Illinois with one cornfield looking just like the next, no hills, and sun obscured. If Cooper landed uninjured and could see familiar distinct landmarks, maybe he could have made it to a road OK, but then what? Flag down a motorist? Surely the next day the motorist would figure out what had happened and likely notify the FBI. Cooper, during this phase of the forum's emotional tide, didnt make it out alive. Maybe we will be more optimistic in a week ot two. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Pretty unlikely, but it shows out of the box thinking which we need here. Can you imagine this happening and creating a "money contrail" over a wide swath of countryside? WILD! I wonder if Cooper might have bounced up and down testing the stability of the stairs and waited perhaps another 5 or 10 minutes to leap, looking for landmarks or just open spaces? The FBI sled test argues that the oscillations or bumps were due to Cooper's departure, but I wonder... It's funny how the forum has tides that go between Cooper died on the jump and Cooper lived. We seem to be at low tide now. Want to do some more HAHO radio telemetry jumps this weekend, but NOAA is posting NW gale warnings on the coast. I'll have to scrub it if it is too windy at the DZ. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You overestimate my braveness Orange. My perhaps ambiguous simulation offer was only to supply telemetry gear for an instrumented dummy drop. Snow is the guy who is offering, for a fee, to do insane stuff personally. $1500 per day is actually cheap for risking your life. Nobody knows what Snow looks like. I worry he'd subcontract the jump for $500 and pocket the profit. Snowmman Industries leaves nothing on the table. If there is profit margin, however small, they are there. Need an overhauled engine or new ejection seat pyro pack for your L 39 or Mig 29 jet? Who ya gonna call? I have made it through 41 years of skydiving by judicious use of of phrases such as "no, later, not with this much wind, that plane is waaay overgross, that child-pilot only has 20 hours in Twin Beeches, etc." I am adding a new phrase to my jumper cowardice lexicon: " nahh, let Snowmman do it." No way would I make that jump in loafers with a C9. I made over a hundred C9 jumps. My "affordable" canopy was tired and porous. Even in French Paraboots, every landing was brutal. If I didnt do good PLFs I probably would have broken something. At night in the dark it would be very hard to even know when you were going to touch down. PLFs, from my experience, require good depth perception and visibility. Things happen too fast to do it by feel. As for a hard pull rig, yeah, I'd do a hard pull military surplus rig jump IF I had a reserve and it was over a sunny DZ with cold beer below. I am a jump wimp. No BASE, no wingsuits, no low hookturns, no tiny canopies... you get the picture. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I agree with Cossey. I also think if he pulled right away instability wasn't a big issue. As for ground survival after landing I just don't know. Jerry says dead man Snow says alive. Nigel raises a good point about random ejections. If the chute deploys most live. I don't dismiss Jerrys survival training, local knowledge and jump experience. He states a lot more conclusions than explanations bur you can't say he lacks expertise. As for hypothermia, both Snow (from lots of extreme ice climbing) and Jerry (from military both as trainee and trainer) know a lot more than I do. I remember that base jumper who died from hypothermia in weather that was not extreme. Just one night in a canyon killed him. I've jumped from a DC 9 jet, but in perfect sunny weather. Even with great planning I landed way out. People exited slower than expected so the last out were far from the DZ. I don't think Cooper spotted well and even if he did his touchdown point was random. At those speeds and in those conditions forget trying to land at an intended position. That's another reason the Barb Dayton story doesn't pan out. If Cooper was a whuffo and tried a jet exit freefall instability is guaranteed and recovery unlikely. If you were a whuffo wouldn't you pull immediately? An experienced jumper who knew details of the Air America jumps would likely do the same. If you did that I say you landed alive. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I agree Jerry. In person he is even nicer, a really good guy. I still wonder if I met a decoy/double and the real Snowmman was watching from afar. I think I could have made it to the ground alive from that 727, but after that I am not at all certain. Breaking bones on landing or snagging a tall tree is high probablility. Either one could seal your fate. Hypothermia disorients you badly before it kills you so you might not even be capapble of taking measures to cut your heat loss. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, With the money you saved on Jo's declined polygraph exam, maybe you could employ Snow to prove your point. Negotiate an escrow of the $1500 per day. If he dies doing the jump you get a refund. It is going to be a jump. Snow said: "$1500/day I'll do any stunt you want." Maybe you and Georger could pool funds. I dont want Snow to do it, too dangerous, so I am not contributing. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, You are spot on about how hard it is to get and stay stable with lots of excess stuff attached, especially if it presents an aymmetric air load. Even experienced jumpers have trouble with this. A whuffo would be in a flat spin or wild tumble really FAST and they would probably be centrifuged into unconsciousness. But... what if Cooper pulled his ripcord handle right as he stepped off the stairs? Look at those Air America 727 S/L jump videos. The round canopies "squid" thus naturally slowing deployment and then fully inflate and stablize quickly. I think if Cooper was a whuffo he'd never attempt freefall but would pull right after exit. I used to think this might overload a C9 canopy at those jet exit speeds, but the Air America 727 jump videos show that not to be a problem at all. They were built for jet ejections. Even in ejections they don't normally deploy immediately, however, and allow time for the pilot to decelerate first. C9s are tough canopies. IF Cooper knew about those Air America jumps, he might conclude that pulling off the steps would be better than freefalling and doing a terminal deployment with an unsleeeved canopy... so you might have a whuffo and an experienced jumper doing the same thing. Your thoughts? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good points Snow. I think the money found at Tena Bar could have passed through one of these dredges. They are not money blenders by any means. Slow cutter heads, lots of space in cutter head and in pump casing, etc. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Me too Georger. It is easy to add temp and wind chill sensors, even accelerometers to the telemetry package. Modelling tells us a lot, but there is no substitute for an actual drop. This telemetry takes all the human risk out. Alternatively you could just record data and not transmit it, but if you lose the dummy you lose all the data. In my experience winter storms in the Pacific NW seem to repeat themselves, i.e. you can find a storm that closely matches one from prior history if you are patient. Of course some are unique, but I don't think the NORJACK storm was in that outlier category. You dont need a jet, any IFR equipped jump plane could do the job. The ham radio telemetry gear is surprisingly cheap. There would probably be FCC rule hasssles using it in connection a commercial production, but who'd even notice? Maybe it is OK if nobody gets paid. I don't obess over FCC rules. Snow? Georger? Sluggo? Guru? Your thoughts? 73, 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sorry Georger. My mistake. Thought you posed the birth cert question but it was Jo. When I try to read and post on my PDA I make reading errors. Text too small. Doing HAHOs from 13,500 this coming Saturday with ham radio telemetry of following data: GPS derived position, speed and course plus sensed heart rate and SPO2 (blood oxygen level). Working on oxygen gear for going higher. If we want to do a Cooper simulation dummy drop I have the gear to get real time data. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.