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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Most 727 autopilots could fly coupled approaches where the ILS not the plane's gyros supplied the commands. Gear and flaps are deployed on approach. Doubt if gear, flaps, or even a door/stair alarm would cause an autopilot disconnect. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The drunk guys in cammo theat I know would never get up to investigate. Despite a safe full of weapons, night vision scopes and tons of ammo, they sit in a near coma in front of their big screens grumbling about Obama, immigrants and predicting an imminent revolution by like minded type 2 diabetic patriots. I am just as American as they are. The right wing has no monopoly on patriotism. And whats the cammo fetish all about? Even our police SWAT team wears it, which is absurd in an urban setting if you think about it. Jumpers are always pushing the limits. I am surprised one doesnt convince a sponsor to do a REAL AUTHENTIC NORJACK jump TV special, in a winter storm, from a 727, in Cooper garb, with an NB 6 (or 8?), with a load of $1 bills equivalent to the size and weight of the loot etc. Giraldo Rivera should be all over this. Does the Cooper jumper live or die? Does he make it through the night? Tune in at 8 PM. on pay per view. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Do you mean pitch? Yaw seems unlikely. The autopilots of that era had a pretty fast response time as soon as they sensed a change signal from the vertical gyro ref. I really like it that we are exploring flight paths instead of pathology. I too have pondered the strangeness of finding a door placard and some bills but no canopy, no rig, and no body. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Clearly another propeller snag. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow I do think the warning horn would have sounded with that config, but it can be silenced by pulling a circuit breaker. Disabled horns have lead to crashes. Your diabolical organic bomb using the planes emergency oxygen tank and filling the toilet tank with an exlosive mixture shows some creativity. The new vacuum toilets wouldn't give you easy access to the holding tank but the old ones would have. I still wonder if Cooper was removng colored contacts when he spent that extended time in the rear lav. I do think flight path dialogue is far more productive than Jo bashing. Somewhere out there is Coopers rig. Dead or alive that rig stays in the landing area. An accurate fight path would sure help. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Welcome farflung. Anyone who knows what an RMI is probably flies complex acft. The C 9 type canopy drift modelng is quite good I think. I was involved in some HAHO telemetry yesterday. We opened high (13 to 14 K) and downlinked GPS data. The ram air canopies have a 3:1 or better L/D but the data might be interesting. Except for occasional circles we flew upwind since winds were high. I can PM you the data if you wish What do you fly? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Your aviation knowledge is impressive Orange. The B 52 does have unique steerable crosswind landing gear and it was used frequently. It was added complexity and weight but was very useful. I think cost kept it out of airliners. When I worked at Hughes Aircraft we developed an highly effective fire suppression for armored vehicles such as tanks. It used multiple spectral fire sensors and fast chemically propelled turbo pumps to flood a cabin with Halon then evcacuated it when the fire was extinguished. You could fire a high energy anti tank artillery round, pierce the armor and a fuel tank, flood the cabin with flaming fuel and in miliseconds the fire would be snuffed. Unless a crewman was hit by projectiles he would survive. Efforts to market the system for airliners fell flat. It would have added about 600 pounds to a 727 sized plane thus reduced range or payload and that always ended the discussion. Economics trumps safety sometimes. I too like the new environment where we let Jo be Jo and just go about our business. If there was a USAF SAGE radar at McChord why wasn't there a very accurate plot of the flight path? F 106s were scrambled as chase planes as I recall. They get telemetry from SAGE which can control their autopilots for a ground controlled automatic intercept. Hughes made that F 106 system which was called the MA 1. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

nope, it was a hydrogen bomb dropped from a B52. I know that Georger, I just meant it was a gravity driven object with no internal propulsion. One of my colleagues at work spent 14 years in the left seat of a B 52G. Those who flew them call them BUFFs. Dr Strangelove is a classic film marred only by the cheap clumsy special effects Atempting to show the B 52 flying over the ice. In several scenes you can see the shadow of a B 17. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

We may never know Cooper's exit point but why didn't the USAF SAGE radar give us an unambiguous track of the NWA 727 flight path? This may have been answered thousands of posts ago. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

BTW some guy on dropzone.com bribed Russian AF pilots to let him jump from an operational TU 95 Bear strategic bomber!!! I am so jealous. You can search and find his post. As Snow knows, the question over there isn't "can we ... ?" The only question is: "how much?" 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wonderful Snow! This moritorium on Jo bashing is bringing out some really fun stuff. Did you know that the C 133 was used in air launched ICBM tests? Right out the HUGE tailgate. I think they only did static extraction/drops, no rocket firings. I have my oxygen gear ready to go. Just trying to figure out how I'll attach myself to the RSM 50. Slim Pickens was riding a ballistic vehicle. I assume you want a rocket firing. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

See below. The orbital path of this multispectral imager spysat (cleverly disguised as a ham radio-university research project) goes right over the Washougal. It is rumored that Snowmman Industries had a "black" payload loaded at Kazakhstan by Slovenian launch techs who performed a covert swap-out by removing KwaZulu's VLF module. Hmmmm.... ************************************* SB SPACE ARL ARLS007 ARLS007 South African Amateur Radio Payload Reaches Orbit After several delays, South Africa's SumbandilaSat satellite finally blasted to orbit aboard a Soyuz rocket from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan on September 16. The main payload is a multi-spectral imager, but the satellite also carries an Amateur Radio component consisting of a 2 meter/70 cm FM repeater. After SumbandilaSat is fully commissioned, the repeater will be activated with an uplink at 145.880 MHz and a downlink at 435.350 MHz; there will also be a voice beacon at 435.300 MHz. The transponder mode will be controlled by a CTCSS tone on the uplink frequency. The CTCSS tone frequencies have yet to be announced. SumbandilaSat was sponsored by the Department of Science and Technology and was built at SunSpace in cooperation with the Stellenbosch University. In addition to the SA-AMSAT amateur module, the satellite carries Stellenbosch University's radiation experiment and software defined radio (SDR) project, an experiment from Nelson Mandela Metropolitan University and a VLF radio module from the University of KwaZulu-Natal. NNNN /EX 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

There must be constant pressure on Jo. When I, Orange and Jerry back off, Snow rushes in to fill the vacuum. Georger could model it with an equation. It is a closed loop system. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Really Snow, make some. I'll buy one. Not much intersting Cooper stuff on eBay these days. http://cgi.ebay.com/DB-Cooper-Poster-Old-Great-One-D.B.-D.-B.-D-B_W0QQitemZ390092155380QQcmdZViewItem 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good logical points Orange... even more so if Cooper were domiciled abroad. A homeless guy got killed in a nearby town recently and the cops had a hell of a time figuring out who he was. Nobody claimed him as a relative, no ID, etc etc. They are pretty sure they know who he was now, but it illustrates the point. I actually think Snow could survive the night just fueled by the willpower to prove Jerry wrong. Jumping Saturday. Boogie at Byron CA DZ. jump orices for the boogie are expected to be $20 to 13K +. We are so lucky to get to particpate in an air sport for peanuts. We are so lucky there are people insane enough to be DZOs. Sad times though, three VERY experienced CRW dawgs wrapped and two of them went in at Lodi CA last weekend. http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2009/09/15/news/1_dive_090915.txt 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

When Snow uses the back door he designed into the FBI server chips and retrieves the "suppressed" lighter photos could he please also liberate the suppressed inmate smoke jumper photos too? Jerry, I agree there is a good chance that Cooper died the night of the jump, but how could such a disappearance go unnoticed for so long? Somebody would miss someone, a landlord, a relative, a neighbor etc. Some parked car would become impounded. Some bank account would go dormant. Someone would put two and two together especially if the missing person looked like the sketch and was unaccounted for on the night of the hijack. I think even a whuffo might have been able to get the canopy out. That would just be the start of his troubles, but he would likely land alive. I just dont know enough to predict whether he could have survived the night. You say no, Snow says yes and offered (for a fee/bet) to replicate the land part of the jump in comparable clothing terrain and weather. I am confident I could land alive on a similar jump with similar gear, but good chance of a tree snag, rock landing, broken leg/ankle etc. Hypothermia seems like a real risk. I just have no idea on my chances for making it out alive. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, I used to work in the area of implantable heart defibrillators. I am no MD, but I did design some patented circuits for these devices and had to learn about heart physiology in the process. If it makes you feel any better you didn't cause anyone to have a heart attack. Myocardial infarcations (generally called heart attacks) and fatal ventricular arrythmias (generally called sudden cardiac death) are not "caused" by emotional stress. They might be triggered by stress but they were waiting to happen anyway by virtue pre existing arterial blockage or diseased or malformed cardiac tissue. I, however, guarantee you that I will have a heart attack if Duane is proven to be Dan Cooper ;-). 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I'll try that for a while Georger, but it's hard not to rise to the bait sometimes. You know that from personal experience. Jo ought to take the olive branch and the polygraph challenge from Jerry. He said he'd pay for the test. Ok, I'll now try a week or so of silence on Jo. It might be extended or truncated. I have a lower level of tolerance these days, too much coffee I guess. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

All the US space flights and moon landings were faked Snow. That Houston tank was production central for most of the weightless shots. The NASA money for real space flights was funneled to the CIA. It worked out really well. Apollo 13 was scripted beautifully by some of Hollywood's best. Georger has blocked PMs from me. I was going to compliment him on his tinfoil humor. Orange sure did raise an interesting point about Mayfield allegedly going out on a dinner date with his girlfriend right in the midst of a high drama hijack in which his real time expert advice might have been vital. Sounds very odd. The benign folk hero image of Cooper ignores the bomb. I bet the crew and the FBI were worried that Cooper would set it to blow up the plane just after he exited. They had no way to know for sure if it was real or fake. So in the midst of all this high stakes drama, Mayfield says sorry, I'll be out of touch for a while, I have a hot date. Hmmm... 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Can you imagine that ten page pile of bureaucracy being posted next to the NOAA channel chart for the Columbia on the bridge of the dredge? Meanwhile the dredgermen just ignore the paper storm, dredge effectively caring primarily about channel depth rather than dissolved oxygen, turbidity, coliform levels and non compliant debris in the spoils. Someone signs the report with a wink, assuring that it was all done properly and the dredgermen celebrate weeks of work with a dinner at a nice riverside restaurant. At the next table a drunk prosecutor brags loudly to anyone who will listen that he was ready to kick some hayseed DA's butt into the Columbia for trying to extradite some guy named Ingram on a bullshit warrant. The dredgermen ignore him. They watch with pride as a huge bulk carrier ship works it's way upstream kicking up no mud in it's propwash. As they hoist another round of local brew, the channel is already shoaling up with sediment, imperceptibly bring bottom closer to surface. Their work is never done. The crewman who tending the discharge pipe recalls an odd flash of tangled white material which was only in his view for milliseconds. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Am I so tired that I getting the math wrong... or was Shelly 16 when you married her Jerry? Congratulations on 24 years together! That's quite an accomplshment. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wonder what it was? Some jumpers thought Ted was not following safe practices for training student skydivers. He had a few fatalities as I recall. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good thing Duane wasn't caught making an illegal discharge into a river carrying threatened migratory salmonids. He might have done more time for that than all the prior crimes. Jerry can probably tell us about all the wacked out regulations around federally protected wildlife and waterways. It is beyond ridiculous and I am all for protecting salmon. A guy I know was federally prosecuted for pulling trash including abandoned vehicles out of a stream on his ranch property in Idaho that had migrating salmon. He just did it at his own expense with a rented backhoe, purely out of sympathy for the fish, no studies, no permits. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How about requiring Jo to prove that some suspect was NOT an inmate smoke jumper? Inmate smoke jumper records are apparently beyond TOP SECRET. It will be a tough task. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.