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Pretty hard to do as a covert forgery. Other inconsistent early versions might remain. Certificates have been amended by court order to correct patenity errors. Why do you ask Georger? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Maybe you ought to spend more time at that forest shrine near the Snowffortress. Find any more offerings there lately? The FBI has to spin Zazi better. Even my right wing cammo couch potato patriot friends think it is BS. Of course how is the government going to attract top PR talent at those pay scales? I wonder if crayfish inhabit the Columbia? They probably do. They could pick a submerged Cooper body down to the bone in a few months I bet. If Cooper drowned, sooner or later someone would miss him, someone who had no stake in hiding his identity. Cooper didnt plan to die, so he probably didnt erase all traces before embarking on the hijack. He likely planned to blend back in. Surely he had a car somewhere, or relatives, or a neighbor or landlord. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Nice job Bruce. Nice job Georger too. Those Fazio cattle mutilations puzzle me still, even though they have no Cooper link. It isnt like the Fazios never saw a dead cow or the work of scavenger animals before. They saw something very unusual in their experience. Wonder what really happened? I dont think it was aliens, but what earthly creature did it, how and why? Keep a close eye on your cows Georger. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Right you are Snow, I forgot. Some surplus gear was extensively modified by riggers for sport jumping but if Cossey said the NB 6 was stock then it had no Capewells. Seems like a bad design by the Navy. If you are getting dragged by winds your chances of getting out of the harness are not so good, even with ejector snaps on the harness straps. Even releasing one Capewell will collapse the canopy and is a lot esasier to do than finding and releasing a harness strap while being dragged. Sometimes making releases too easy to operate causes problems with inexperienced jumpers. This video (dont watch it if you are squeamish) shows a panicked jumper releasing his main after a low altitude canopy collision. It happened a few days ago in Brazil. Had he remained calm and just done nothing both jumpers would likely have lived. This summer has seen at least seven fatalities due to canopy collisions, five of which were in California. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b96_1254190491 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bad spots, round canopies, together they can really be a bitch. Been there, but not on a stormy winter night over the Columbia. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Certainly possible. If he had an open canopy would it have increased or decreased the chances of being swept into and/or along higher flow areas? Wonder if he knew how to release the Capewell riser attach fitting on his NB6 (8?) to release the canopy after a water landing? Sometimes the canopies trap air after a water landing and can be used for floatation for a while. If Cooper died on a river landing who was he? Why wasn't he missed? I doubt if even Braden could have survived a Winter night landing in the Columbia. A Whuffo wouldn't stand a chance. You sure find a lot of interesting stuff on dredging, sediment transport, etc Snow. I am leaning towards dredging as the way the money got to Tena Bar. Georger, your thoughts on the dredging theory as to how the money got to Tena Bar? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That T10 barbed wire landing is amazing. Calculate those odds. There were a number of student jumpers at my DZ who had the expected results with barbed wire. I remember tremendous anxiety going backwards in the air under a C 9 round towards barbed wire and thinking I should have run downwind to clear it. Never hit any but had some very close encounters. If Cooper landed alive with the loot but in a major river it would be the most awful feeling. I hope it didn't happen that way. The DZ at Livermore CA was huge and had only one hazard: a vertical metal pole for the windsock. Not only did jumpers hit it with improbable frequency but a jumper-pilot hit it buzzing the DZ in a plane and crashed. He survived but his girlfriend passenger didn't. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo I used LPUs in 1970. I was practicing for NORJACK, just kidding. They were common in the 60s. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You have to assume that weather was reasonably good if skydiving was taking place. From this event a winter night landing in the same type of river seems almost certainly fatal. Georger makes a very convincing quantitative argument of how unlikely it would have been, but it doesn't rule it out. The Tena Bar money find is more supportive of a river landing than a dry land landing, but you can't really say it proves either one. I want Cooper to have lived. I dont like this water landing stuff. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

We used to put LPU 10s on after donning the rig. They had webbing loops that you could thread the chest strap though. Most jumpers just used one. I had no idea if they would even have worked. They hadnt been tested, were military surplus, and were loaned to student jumpers by the DZ because there was a drownable body of water within a mile of the dropzone. My first jump instructor said that all jumpers should carry a few condoms when they jump, and not for what you are thinking. He said they are the smallest inflatable floatation device available and you could fit a bunch in a jumpsuit pocket. Not a bad idea actually. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

My LPU 10s have olive drab green nylon fabric cases, but the material is kind of shiny and could be mistaken for plastic. I have not heard the rumor about Tina seeing such a thing. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, your alternative explanation highlighted above may appeal to Snow. Snow and Galen make very good points about the FBI's discriminatory providing of access to files, physical evidence etc. Why does Tom get file access, a loan of phyical evidence etc...? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Here is my explanation: the chain entered the suction pipe and got straightened out during transit. Some types of marine chain (BBB type links for example) is specially designed to resist tangles when balled up or stacked. "Proof coil" type links are far more tangle prone than BBB. I think the chain went through the impeller chamber serially, link by link, fitting in between the clearance between impeller wheel and chamber surface. If the links sucked up by the dredge were larger than this clearance distance then we had better consult Bruce. He is not as constrained as I am by a conflict in physical dimensions. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sorry, eels ALWAYS cause comments, just like bats and snakes do regardless of how common they are. It has something to do with primitive archetypes. Freud and Jung had something to say about that. Wonder if they ever dredge up live King Salmon, Cohos or Steelhead on their way upstream to spawn? Now I am sure they dont dredge during those spawner transit periods but back in the day they might have. The ten fathoms of chain anecdote really tells you a lot about what those dredge pumps can do. I love it when Snow and Georger start posting about the Tena Bar site and money find. We actually get some synergy and thought provoking conclusions. I am really leaning towards a dredge transport explanation for the found bills. Sure beats the ship propeller snag explanation. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.flighthelmet.com/pages/fg/fgthumbs/pfg-tn-lpu10.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flighthelmet.com/pages/fg/pfg.htm&usg=__oGFyGIETTJwdspk-Zaf8givN4Mk=&h=125&w=116&sz=7&hl=en&start=13&um=1&tbnid=e_tQCyGBiCKDUM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=84&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlpu%2B10%2B%2Bfloatation%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GPEA_enUS294US294%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Search for LPU. I've used surplus LPU 10 CO2 cartridge powered floatation gear when jumping near water. The picture shows two LPU 10s as part of a harness. You can separate the LPU 10s and use them individually. It would be very easy to conceal one. The 727 may have had underseat inflatable life vests too. They are in small packages. Domestic flights often relied on seat cushions, but some acft had both so that they could be dispatched on overwater pax flights without reconfiguring. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Agree. From what you know of the dredge type, could the stacked bills have made it through intact? That cow mutilation account is provocative. The Skeptical Inquirer or one of the skeptic rags did an article on cattle mutilations. They made a convincing case for normal scavenger activity combined with unscientific pathology. So called cautery evidence was normal tissue necrosis around wound peripheries accelerated by sun. Cattle people like the Fazios have seen normal scavenger ravages. They have seen cows die unexpectedly. They don't go blaming UFOs or lunatics for normal cattle deaths. I am not sure we have the whole story about what really happened. Penis and gall bladder harvesting from wild bears in the US turned out to be Asian poachers seeking prized aphrodesiacs. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo. Why on Earth would Cooper do something that dumb? Please explain your reasoning. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Poor guys. They should have jumped. I've jumped many times from surplus C 45s, the military version of the Beech 18. Now we have a data point on the survivability of unopened military rigs dropped from high altitudes and left undiscovered. There is definitely some Cooper gear out there awaiting discovery. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Careful Jo. It's a federal crime. I am sure you were making the offer in jest. People, including attorneys, were federally prosecuted for slipping patent office clerks a couple of bucks to expedite requests to make copies of files that were public record. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I really disagree Jo. They don't want to solve the case the way YOU want them to, but saying that the FBI doesn't want to solve one of the greatest crime mysteries of the 20th century is absurd. Ckret would be deservedly world famous if he solved NORJACK. You really think he would ignore relevant probative evidence? You do, I don't. I've taken the pledge not to bash you. This isn't a bash. I hope you are enjoying the new atmosphere in the forum as much as I am. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

If the FBI can't find real terrorists then what's wrong with manufacturing some? Ya got a problem with that Snow? I mean those guys might have become real terrorists on their own. Who can prove otherwise? What's wrong with giving them a little push? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You guys kill me. I was literally laughing out loud. Speaking of women, how is your bucket list mission plan coming along Snow. We cant fly you around in a C 123K. There are many foreign airports that no longer tank avgas, just jet fuel. The 123K has jets, but they are just helpers, not prime movers. Did we ever get confirmation about a field of bill fragments at Tena Bar? If so, how were the fragments positioned, throughout a vertical layer of soil/sand or on the surface? Along a high water mark? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good grief. We are all terrorist felons if you read that literally. My kid once made a pretty impressive potato cannon from various PVC pipe components, a BBQ piezo electric spark clicker, and a can of aerosol ether starter fluid. I guess I am lucky he isnt doing time. Hmm... maybe not. It would have saved me a lot of college money. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The data is subject to alternative explanations: drugged and tranquil employed and busy disdainful and aloof ...etc. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

OK, I know a place in Tucson AZ where we can get a cheap surplus Boeing C 97 that just needs a little TLC. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.