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Jerry, You are taking my sarcastic post too literally I don't think you are paid to discredit Jo or that you are on a mission to suppress the "truth" about Duane. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not rational. My best regards to Shelly 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How did Braden desert? Did he fail to return from a leave or did he skip out in Nam,? How did deserters get out of Nam? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, If you were telling the truth, that you had evidence proving Duane Weber was Dan Cooper, then who cares about whether Jerry might have given you confusing local directions or information or even misleading info? It shouldn't matter one bit now that you have proof Duane was Cooper, right? Your readiness to descend with intense vigor into the depths of irrelevant moot trivial details tells me that you don't have the evidence you claimed to have. Prove me wrong. I am waiting and so is everyone else. I don't like taking you to task but I will until you either prove what you promised or withdraw your incredible claims. I think the government is wasting my tax money paying Jerry to discredit you. You are doing a first rate job yourself. Sometimes I feel like I am channeling Orange 1. I used to be so sympathetic. Now it's tough love Jo. Stand and deliver or back down and apologise for making unfounded extravagant claims. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I don't see it as a ripoff, but DZOs shoud be careful to avoid customer perception of being ripped off. Maybe they should have explained the prices and choices more clearly. It does cost the DZO more to fly you higher, but how they market it determines how it is perceived. If we want to attract more licensed jumpers to the sport, we need to treat tandem passengers ethically, ALWAYS! Thank goodness for tandems. But for tandems we'd all be paying $50 for jumps from ratty old Cessnas. Don't kill the golden goose. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Isn't that just an awesome looking contraption? Beatnik, a rigger/jumper RCAF officer who restores and jumps antique skydive canopies is looking for one. Check out Beatniks posts on forums, some amazing photos and one video of a recent classic canopy collision followed by two cutaways to old round reserves. That video is just spectacular. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

OK, Bruce has shown courage stepping outside of the Cooper cave, so here I go. I will need an asbestos suit, but check the trivia forum. I posted a request for Braden info and am awaiting the napalm strike. There goes my reputation if I even had one since posting on DB Cooper. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Ted Braden competed in the early 60s, member of US Army Golder Arrows team. Went to Nam as Special Forces soldier (Green Beret) and likely took part in some really scary SOG HALO recon jumps deep into enemy territory. Braden deserted. Later he turns up in Africa as a mercenary, but was not prosecuted for desertion. Used fake ID of a missing or killed US soldier. You might view most folks on the DB Cooper forum as lunatics, but check this out: Some of Braden's Special Forces cohorts think he might have been DB Cooper. They say Braden looked a LOT like the FBI witness sketches of Cooper. Braden was on the run at the time, needed money, had the jump skills etc. Braden might also have been aware of the Air America 727 jumps made in Thailand. The Air America 727 jumps are not rumor, video links are posted and the foootage is fascinating. Check out the DB Cooper forum and if you have any relevant Braden info you might post it there. No proof Braden was DB Cooper, but he makes an intersting candidate. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

What a fantastic collection of photos! The Barish Sail Wing canopy, PCs over the Blue Angels parked F 11 Tigers, A vintage C 130 Herc wirth 3 bladed props, C 119 feefall jumps, C 54, USAF Thunderbirds flying F 100 Huns, ... it just goes on and on. WOW. Thanks! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Put a concealed PIR motion fired camera there Snow and the mysteries will be over. You might also catch a mountain lion in a picture given your location. Braden's rigs look exactly like what I jumped in the late 60s. They were USAF not USN, but forget the nomenclature. An old rigger would know. Looks like the pack opening bands were died a darker color for looks. I could be wrong, I am not a rig expert. Speaking of SOG jumpers using PCs. I have a new US military deployment sleeve for a PC, dark OD color. I bought it to replace my cotton PC sleeve but never installed it. Wonder if it was made for SOG jumpers? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Resistance is not futile. GPS, essential to UAV navigation, can be jammed FAR more easily than previously thought with just a simple noisy oscillator. So much for spread spectrum immunity to jamming. The key lies in the weakness of GPS signals. http://www.gpsworld.com/gps/system-challenge/the-hunt-rfi-776 Hobbyists have flown an autonomous HOMEMADE UAV from Newfoundland to Ireland where it arrived within 30 feet of its intended waypoint. Scaling up to a larger aircraft wouldn't be so hard. http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20031217/Feature1.asp It isn't that hard to hang around UAV control satellite uplink sites with spectrum analysers and figure out what's going on. Even highly directional dishes leak a little signal around the edges of their lobes. You don't have to know everything about a signal to jam it or spoof it. Tom K is working on a massive paintball cannon to counter Snowmman's airforce. He has FBI funding. Hey, back to Cooper. This Braden stuff is amazing. His freefall skills were MILES ahead of the SF norm for the day. We should try to get some old time jumpers to check in about Braden. He HAD to be known to early PCA members with all his competition work. Jerry has said he will stop taking Jo to task. I wont, not unless and until she withdraws her claims about having proof that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. You made the claim Jo, you said you would prove it and so far all we have is the usual evasive stuff from you. BTW, don't you feel foolish refusing to investigate Cooper related evidence that is 'too sordid.'? Do you only pursue nice clean evidence? That approach is so fundamentally flawed that I am amazed you posted it and expected to remain credible here. It is a great tease though. What is it? Devil worship? Child abuse? I guess we wil have to tune in to the next episode, but first, a word from our sponsor, Snowmman Industries. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks Bruce, again!!! The radio haggling about $400k just doesnt sound right and isn't reflected in any other stories about NORJACK. I would not rule out faulty memory. Reporters and newsrooms had VHF radio receivers in 71 and at some point when the hijack info started coming out would have tuned in. None of them reported a $400K demand. Keep up the great work. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks Bruce. You are our feet on the street. Just a hypothetical question: if you were THE Ted Braden (ex SF) and you did NORJACK, would you tell anyone? I wouldn't, not much gain and a huge increase in risk. Sounds like a sad life with all the alcohol abuse. A deserter probably couldn't even hang with his SF buddies and talk about the old times and comraderie. I don't know how that community treats desertion but I will bet not very favorably. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Not big party animals from what I have read. I remember reading about an underground tunnel facility that was discovered by our forces and evacuated by the NVA in great haste. BIG facility, many "rooms" etc and no evidence of alcohol consumption, drugs etc. It is just one data point. Viet Nam was home for the NVA. People tend to party more on foreign adventures. I have a high school friend who served in Viet Nam. He wasn't big doper or drinker before he left but he did both to great excess when in Saigion. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How about a post from Shelly? Things are slow here, but that doesnt slow down us loudmouths. Lets hear from the silent majority. What's new Shelly? Do you still read our posts? Jerry sure doesn't seem to take you for granted. What's your secret? My girlfriend wants to know. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

After a few fatal double crosses I am amazed that CCN HQ would rely on indiginous security when the best and brightest SF guys were going to all be gathered in one spot. Talk about a rich target... What a shame. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

okay, I guess it's settled then! Settle down guys, lets not get all spun up over a few mild insults. I wish there was a reset button here. Don't paint a Quade targets on your forehead. We've been enjoying good times here, no need for trouble. Just settle down easy now. I'll buy you both a Bourbon and soda. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

What a fool I was to hope for peace. There are no Camelots on dropzone.com. These enemies of the state make it too easy, driving beat up VW vans and such. Snow and his video friend are already marketing a chip to the feds that can ID these types, target and launch on them all unattended. You think red light cameras are bad. Just wait. Snowmman Enterprises is opening a branch office in Langley VA and in Ljubljana. The best opening party will be at the palatial offices in Slovenia. The top agents in Hollywood are kissing major Snowbbutt trying to get invites for their clients. Meanwhile, Jerry slogs through the Washougal looking for a glint of a B 12 snap or the rusted springs of a Navy pack opening band. Long odds, but Jerry knows that rig is out there somewhere. Georger mercifully does not post the odds of Jerry finding it. Meanwhile the rest of us pound keyboards, gripe about the FBI and chase dead guys. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How might we apply this research to Cooper? Was NORJACK an aerial bank robbery? I'd bet Carr has a very good "feel" for bank robbers. I saw this phenomena when I did criminal defense. Some cops really developed a "feel" for the types of criminal they investigated. One cop in Oakland had a "feel" for car thieves. They were different from residential burglars or armed stick up guys. This cop could eliminate a car theft suspect based on some kind of intuitive profiling and he was almost always right. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Becker says basically the more you spend the "easier' it is to find and apprehend criminals. That is almost a verbatim quote before he gets into the math. The FBI obviously needs to spend more. This volunteer stuff will never work. Pay Tom, pay him lots. Cooper stimulus money. Get in line. Everyone but Snow. Larry Carr is in charge of administering the payouts. Now the rancor is costing you Snow. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You are right Snow. Intellectual property is arbitrary. It is all man made rules. Nature doesn't recognize such a concept. Selective adaptation is about about copying things that work better than what came before. Darwin didn't discover royalties or injunctions, just massive copying of advantageous mutations. The model works really well if survival enhancement is the measure. It's a fine measure in my book. Google basically ignores IP rights and depends on their size to force settlements for "peanuts." I mean look at the copyright infringement settlement, it hardly cost them anything and they can now copy at will. Google also lands and stores their corporate Boeing 767 at a federal airfield (Moffett) where no other private jets are permitted to reside. The government, embarrassed by the obvious favoritism, got Google to agree to let NASA occasionally use their luxurious 767 corp jet for "atmospheric research". Oh sure. What an ideal atmosphereic research aircraft. Where do you put the instrument bays? Next to the queen sized bed in the owner's suite? Careful now, dont scatch the African rosewood trim. Google IS the 800 pound Gorilla. China ignores IP rights. Ask anyone who works there. Bet they haven't seen a legal copy of any software in a Chinese enterprise. It's ALL pirated. First run movies are all on DVD for a buck. All this Nam SOG stuff has me absolutely riveted. Cooper might not have been an SOG soldier, but so what. Georger's water landing odds calc makes me conclude that the only propellor that could have contacted Cooper's body would be from a crashed plane. Still... Cooper's rig is out there somewhere. We lose sight of that sometime. Jerry hasn't. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I guess he is still your friend Snow, even though he helped Carr. It was an accident and forgiven I assume. Once CCD cam chips and CMOS became available everything changed. Cameras will be everywhere soon. Cell phones were just the beginning. Arguably, the inventor (possibly co-inventor) of the CCD video chip was Gilbert Amelio, a PhD scientist who for a brief time was the CEO of Apple. He invented it while he was working for Fairchild as I recall. The obscure patent was almost forgotten in various mergers and so forth, but was finally rediscovered and the current owner brough suit against Sony. The potential recoveries were HUGE. Imagine getting a royalty on every camera Sony made. Then, if they won against Sony they would start after all consumer video and camera companies. A New York federal jury found the patent valid and infringed by Sony. DISASTER for Sony. Incredibly, the trial judge reversed the jury finding and entered a JNOV, basically saying the jury was wrong, the patent was invalid and granting judgment in favor of Sony. Odd... 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The post made me think a bit. I just want to see the mystery solved. If Cooper is alive he might still face prison, and I don't want that. The goal isn't to catch Cooper (at least for me). The goal is to solve one of the greatest crime mysteries in history. A dead Cooper makes that a lot less messy. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow, you know I am not a cop fan or sychophant, but sheesh, even I can throw Carr a bone now and then for doing his day job well. Your provacative out of the box thinking on bank robberies did make me think, and you indeed raised some valid points. Until they change a flawed system someone has to be the cop. It seems like Carr does a decent job catching a class of criminal he personally rates as "stupid." Even stupid criminals can be hard to catch. Not all bank robbers leave a perfect portrait on the survellance cameras. Not every case is a piece of cake. You and Georger are doing GREAT these days, even bordering on mutual respect now and then. Even you and Jo are doing pretty well. Sluggo and you are also doing reasonably well. We are damned close to a Pax Coopercana. We still have one unclimbed peak: Snowmman and Carr getting along. What would it take? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

"Yes, I hope they are reading this because I am fed up. The Salt Lake City photo wasn't even looked at - by Carr or anyone else in the FBI office. When hunting and the bird dog goes into point position - believe me there is something there. They didn't do a flush to even see what was in those bushes." Jo, You are not a credible bird dog. You point at too many empty bushes. Why should the FBI flush every bush you point at? Why on earth should we attach ANY significance to the Salt Lake City photo? Your statement about one investigative path being too sordid to pursue shows that your methodology is so completely flawed that it can be ignored. Are you seeking the truth or just seeking answers that you like? You are not coming on my next bird hunt. I'd be better off with Dick Cheney. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.