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Orange, I did get that line, and many others. I thought the development of the main character from a bumbling bureaucrat into an epic mutant hero was done well. If I were a Nigerian I'd be pretty pissed off though. I was surprised their District Nine misdeeds did not include trying to swindle the prawns with advance fee 419 scams. Take a look at the Mt St Helens "face in volcanic plume" photos on that link you sent. I see Duane. Do you? How in the world did you find that website? What were you looking for? The Internet is an amazing equalizer. Even the obessed and psychotic can get front stage on an international forum. When aliens surf the net what will they think? I may watch District Nine again. I have watched Blade Runner about 5 times over the years. Always find something new. How is Baby O doing? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Mike went to my high school (Sequoia High School, Redwood City CA) and jumped in to a football game while a student there. He later enlisted in the Army and joined the Golden Knights (71-73). I heard he died in a skydiving accident. Any details about him or his career would be appreciated. I am trying to write an article about him for our alumni newsletter. http://www.goldenknightsaa.com/roster/detail.asp?memberid=1802 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The Prince of Entropy and CSG czar said: Got it! Google Books failed to copy the Tina book. Proof of a cover up. The FBI refuses to investigate. I saw District Nine again. I would expect that Snow would like it even with the heavy handed plot. I really liked Dsitrict Nine but Blade Runner is still at the top of my sci fi movie list. It has some subtle nuances, a rare commodity in films of this genere. Avatar's special effects and 3D rock, but the plot is kinda trite. I need to see it now in IMAX. I am a special effects junkie. I want some Cooper science. Give some to me. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow wrote: Never thought I'd live to see the day. Jo, your turn. Will you apologize for making statements about having proof that Duane was Cooper or knew Cooper? I apologize for everything that was rude or abrasive about you here. You said it wasn't Snow so it had to be me or perhaps Orange or Georger... but I'll take all the blame. I am literally baffled at how you can think that Tina book is likely to have been on NWA Flt 305. Aren't you substituting wishes for facts? Your mind really works differently than most. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

see post 12332 for scans of river pilot article: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3647789#3647789 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I see NOTHING connecting the Tina book to NW Flt 305. What am I missing???? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I posted an article (PDF scanned pages) on here a while back written by (or about?) a Columbia River pilot. It wasnt about Cooper but it had useful info about currents, bank suction effects etc. It was in one of the trade rags I get about commercial marine stuff. Wonder if your cousin knows the pilot mentioned? I think the Columbia Bar and River pilots are different groups. I have crossed the bar at Astoria many times when I was active in commercial fishing. There used to be a lot of fish canneries in that town. It can be very scary crossing that bar in iffy conditions in a heavily loaded fishing boat that cant exceed 8 knots. Bruce is trying what you suggested among other things. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Got me wondering if Cooper had a kid or two. Most guys of that age did back then. If he did, the chances of him being missed if he died on the jump go up a LOT. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Cheat to Win Snow. Cheat to Live. Same thing. That Good Stuff car drop is so damned scary to watch. I can just see getting wedged into something or shredded by something big breaking loose (like a door!). Our CSG "scientists" have been quiet for too long. I dont equite silence with progress. You are in charge. Demand transparency and openness. I dont care if they are working for free, they have a job to do and they need to "get er done." If they can prove upstream propeller snag money transport they deserve a Nobel Prize in forensic science. I know there isnt such a thing but maybe the Nobel committee could create a new category for such an achievment. It's also time for another press event. They'll have to something a bit more interesting than showing old analytic instruments and flycasting with bundles of currency. They have to be careful casting money like that. It could result in hooking a lawyer. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Nice GPA! Sounds like a smart kid Hangdiver. I am sure you are proud of him. He might want to chat with Bruce who sometimes posts here. He is a real journalist who has done crime stories and other investigative journalism. How is the granddaughter doing? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I have a friend who was first a Ranger then later a USAF Pararescue Jumper (PJ) with the 129th ARS. He was a crewman on a commercial fishing boat I skippered back in the late 70s. He told me of a handheld GPS they had (very early in the GPS game) that had accelerometers and a flux gate compass so that it could dead reckon when GPS signals were blocked such as inside a building or tunnel. They also had fold down plotting boards for night jump nav. Sounds really clunky (working with maps during canopy descent) but he said it worked OK. He thinks if Cooper opened he landed alive. He did some amazing rescue jumps far out at sea to aid mariners in medical distress. Pretty scary cause if the boat doesnt recover you you are totally screwed. It isnt as easy as it sounds to find and extract a jumper in open ocean conditions. Just getting aboard can be really hard. It is easy to lose track of people in the water with big swells even if they are nearby. I guess they used smoke, flares etc to help the boat keep track of them. Bruce is back on the scene behind the scenes. He isnt doing Cooper science, just plain old investigating. Is anyone doing Cooper science? Is there such a thing? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

G wrote: That's very Cooperesque. Georger, were you in Ranger training with Duane? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Coors Light debuted in 1978. Can you imagine the chaos that would have resulted if the FBI revealed that DBC came from the future? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

So typical of insurance companies to fight over coverage. They take your premiums eagerly and without question, but come time to pay a claim the mood changes dramatically. Papers are scrutinized, loopholes take center stage. "we are denying coverage on the claim of $200,000.00 based on exclusion 456778.3c: crimes committed by Duane Weber. We remind you that you declined to purchase the mastermind criminal coverage extension." "as for the aircraft damage claim, we are denying coverage. The damage caused to the rear stairs was pilot error, failure to retract. We remind you that damage to the insured "vehicle" caused by owner operator negligence is excluded under the General Commercial Liability policy you purchased." 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Do storm drain efluents end up in the Columbia or do they have to go through any treatment facilities, debris screens or settling ponds? There is a lot of road oil and junk in storm drain water. Don't know what the regs were in 71. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

THE ABOVE IS A CERTIFIED GOOD POST. 377 This money bag stuff bears some scrutiny once more. If Cooper had a satchel with handles the attachment to the rig would have presented far less of a problem. Still, it would be a MESS at high exit speeds. Things break under those airloads and torques. After landing from my DC 9 jet jump I heard of all sorts of things that had blown off jumpers, stuff which had withstood normal freefall forces in prior jumps. Snow has proven that Aliens foretold Elvis's death. Given the distances involved to likely sources for the WOW signal, they knew about Elvis waaay before he was born. Georger is an astronomer of sorts, and a radio guy too. Your thoughts on the WOW sig G? As a Coast to Coast AM guy, I am amazed the FBI/CIA alien signal 180 phase cancellation generator let that one (the WOW signal) get by. They must have popped a main circuit breaker while erasing all of Duane's files and it took down the whole facility at Langley. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

It isn't bad Snow, but if you want a blue ribbon, edit the post to show Elvis in the Bubbleator. Better yet show that Viva las Vegas, Burning Love and In the Ghetto were derived from the Bubbleator theme music. You need to think out of the box and into the Bubbleator if you want to solve Norjack. Funny how Hangdivers's son is a Ranger and Duane was trained as a Ranger... full circle, small world, six degrees of separation, all that stuff. They found a dead Cougar on Highway 17 yesterday Snow. I've been driving that road for decades and have never seen one. That's within your RF kill zone. Were you running any experiments last night with low launch angles? Just wondering... 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: JFK, MLK, RFK and now HRH. The cast is now complete. If Howard Hughes was involved then a government conspiracy was virtually certain. I worked at Hughes Aircraft with guys who had many fascinating stories about HH. None of them involved Duane though. Maybe Hughes was Cooper. All that time in the lav was just obsessive compulsive washing. He never touched the interphone handset because of germ fear. He sure didn't need the money, but he was known for extreme eccentricity. He sure knew airplanes. Don't know if he ever made a jump. He reportedly was very formal and polite with women. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo asked: If that someone were you Jo, it wouldn't be worth a dime. Your proof would be promised repeatedly but never delivered. Next question for the Antique Jumper Road Show appraisers? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote amidst all the satchel text: for the zillionth time Jo: show your PROOF. I have seen zero evidence that Duane was a trained parachutist. I think you are posting a wish as a fact. Duane never received Ranger training. Duane never made a parachute jump. You just wish that he had as it makes him a better Cooper candidate. You keep mentioning that he knew an aircraft mechanic and helicopter pilot. Big deal. It doesn't make him a jumper or 727 tech expert. Not even the pilots of the NWA 727 knew it could be jumped. I am being tough with you because you keep posting wishes as facts. Put up your evidence or stop extravagant claiming. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I've read the rant again and I withdraw my earlier statement. We OG jumpers really were just that cool. Yeah. Damn right we were. And driving that car out of a plane? I remember watching that scene and thinking how easy it would be for someone to get trapped by something coming loose or centrifugal force. Yeah, he loved to drive. At least he died at the wheel... as a spinning no pull. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Still don't know about what makes a good post, but man what a fine RANT. We early skydivers sound so cool in that rant. We look cooler in our own hindsight than we really were. It was just how jumping WAS back then. We didn't know what lay ahead and how primitive our gear was in comparison. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow on AFF: We have to adopt this into the liability waiver text. Forget all the legalese. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Branson was never a loadmaster with ties to McChord. Rules him out. There was something to be said about the old style solo FF training. Nobody could really say much about bad jumpmastering cause the jumpmaster was nowhere near. AFF just put jumpmasters right in the line of critical fire. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Congrats Hangdiver! BTW, is there a path from the maternity ward to the alter....or is your son a skydiver? 377 Look who's talking! Is there a path to your kid talking English? hmm...actually I wonder if he's brilliant..a couple million women who want to practice English with him ..."Oh yeah in the US, when we practice English, first we have to remove all binding garments...." Snow, Those old pickup lines dont work any more. It is all complicated now, lots of Twittering, Facebook, texting. sexting, etc. I wonder if the new protocols decrease unwanted pregnancies? Any stats on that Orange? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.