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Maybe Cooper asked for four chutes cause they might be Mayfield pack jobs. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

why? what rules him in? what makes him a good Cooper? as opposed to any random fool? Arsonists often go to the scene of the fire. Mayfield allegedly calls the FBI during the hijack and says it aint me, but curiously remains hard to reach and never shows up in person during the episode. Felon, in money trouble, had the skills, looks enough like the sketch. He is a better suspect than a random fool. His recent bust is funny. I mean if you don't have a pilot's license the last thing you want to do is something that will bring FAA scrutiny, like an uncleared takeoff from a a controlled airport, but he does one anyway. Maybe Himmelsbach can get him out of this jam. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I guess you just can't keep a bad man down. I still havent ruled him out as Cooper. His telephone alibi isnt convincing to me. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wasn't there some recent post about a disc (easily mistaken for a Frisbee) at Tena Bar? You might be onto something Georger. What happened to Jerry? He already knew about bill fragments in the sand so that news didn't have any big effect on his quest. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

We are like Snow's dogs. Same game 256 times no problem. 1024 same deal. They never tire. We don't either. Is it a curse or blessing to be so easily amused? I am still pondering that question. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I'd go with the Cypres 2. I am an electrical engineer with experience in "mission critical" electronics (implantable heart defibrillators). I chatted at length with some of the SSK and Airtec Cypres tech guys. They REALLY have their act together and have already gone through most of the teething pains that new AAD mfrs have and will experience around RFI (radio frequency interference), presure transients, component aging (capacitors change value over time) etc. I am not saying Vigils are inferior. They may be as good or better than a Cypres 2, but the Cypres 2 has decades of AAD experience behind it. In an AAD I'd rather have tried and true than shiny and new. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That's kinda what I've been saying all along, but the rude and abrasive stuff destroyed my credibility. Sluggo tells me Jo is a nice person in person and I have to believe it. You can't judge a person entirely by their Internet personna. Tha's why I like Georger even though it's obviously not mutual since I am blocked from PMing him. That's probably just his Internet bad self, not the real Georger. CB radio was kinda like that back in the day. These loudmouth guys acted like they were really bad ass and behind the microphone was a 400 pound unemployed diabetic drinking a full liter of non diet Mountain Dew. You just couldn't tell. Duane was a CBer with the doubious handle: Worlds Biggest Jock Carrier. Bet he was bad ass on the air, 10-4? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Is there a Jo analogy here? She gets the attention of newbies here, then after promising 50 times to produce probative evidence, they tire of her games. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You can expect a visit from DPS, Dog Protective Services. Good thing dogs dont know how to use weapons. If they did, you'd be tossing the ball more frequently. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I hope Bruce can flush out all the inconsistencies in Petey's story, especially about being interviewed by the FBI in 1971. Where has Jerry gone? Maybe he has decided to switch to scuba diving or remote controlled camera subs for his Cooper body hunt. I still think the money could have landed in the river and Cooper on land, so keep up the terrestrial hunt Jerry. Jo keeps ignoring my call to present evidence that Duane was a parachutist. You can be a woodcarver or a philosopher or many other things in a vacuum, but not a parachutist. It takes aircraft, gear, training, jumpmasters and all sorts of external contacts. If Duane ever jumped there would be ways to prove it. I say he never made a single parachute jump. He didn't get an SCR, I checked the records. I got mine in the mid 70s. No Duane Weber or John Collins in the list. http://starcrestawards.com/database/index.html Curiously Petey didnt get one although I am pretty sure he qualified. Maybe Duane just was one of those modest jumpers who could do good RW but didnt need a patch to prove it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I wonder how the FBI first ID'd Petey as a suspect? Based on my personal experience in criminal cases it's a mistake to rule out a suspect based on a witness sketch unless there is a HUGE difference. Petey may not be Cooper but he is close enough to the sketch to stay in the suspect pool. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I keep hoping for a happy ending: Petey actually was Cooper but lost the money shortly after exit when the briefcase handle snapped off. The FBI ruled him out based only on DNA, but their airplane sample wasn't Coopers DNA. Petey landed near the river broke and cold. He walked out and blended back in. I like that a lot better than Cooper going into the river and dieing. Come on Jo. Stop your teasing. Put Duane in a chute. You can't do it because he never jumped. Prove me wrong. Duane was a Whuffo til the day he died. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

And what band are you calling on Guru? Using a dish? Pointed towards? Welcome back! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I's a baffling video Snow, especially the camera guy who keeps looking at his altimeter and does nothing to deploy his main. Downplanes are terrifying. Seeing one makes me want to go back to a round reserve. At WFFC I saw a very low pull turn into a biplane when the AAD fired and then start to turn into a downplane. The guy chopped the main really low, crashed into a big packing tent top and slid down unharmed. A chopped main when two canopies are out can tangle with the reserve as it leaves. Not a sure thing at all that it will be a clean cutaway. I've never had a really low pull but it happens even to highly experienced jumpers if they get distracted. It almost looked like the non camera guy went unstable at one point (when he flips onto his back, intentional or?) and perhaps this distracted the camera flyer. Audible altimeters help a lot. I usually have two audibles on my helmet. I made many of my early freefall jumps with no altimeter. I counted seconds in my head but also got really good at estimating altitude visually at my home DZ, Livermore CA. I laud jumpers who post videos of their own screwups. It is hard pride wise but really helps others to avoid repeating the near tragedy. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

What ever happened to Safecrackin PLF? The dude was showing tunnel talent for sure. Very fast progression. Would really like to see him chime in now on this Tena Bar money stuff. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I think you may be correct Snow. Bet Sluggo knows something about the shards. Enough lurking Sluggo, move in and dock on the formation. Do it soon. We are going to wave off at 4500 ft, got some old codger in the group who is absurdly conservative. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You were there? NOPE You have read the reports? NOPE Tell us Oh Great Father of the Vertical waters - give us the Tell of how it was. OK, see below. I was seeking to banish the deceptive spirit of White Buffalo Woman's husband from our sacred sandbar. I sent warrior Bruce to ride a great horse westward to seek a vision. He shared a pipe with the old medicine man Dorwin. A vision came: Shards is what he saw, a three dimensional cloud of shards. Next question? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Hey, the CIA was paying psychics to see if they could detect submerged Russian subs, very nebulous project, easily criticized. This, by contrast, should be an easy sell because it involves HARDWARE. Let's really dress it up with DSP chips, SDR architecture and fantastic graphical displays. Let's get a development contract for $25M and a supply contract for 5M per receiver with a minimum buy of 50. Dead men DO talk, and SI can show Langley how to hear them. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bruce wrote: Why is this? If the shards were there, why no collected and preserved evidence? What do we have besides people's recollections about the shards? I believe that they were there, but surely it must have been documented somewhere. Am I forgetting some shard photo or have none been produced? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

This is so dumb that I find it hard to believe, but its true, Snow is right. Sheesh, are they brain dead in the CIA tech shop? They paid my tax money for this nonsensical crap? There are a zillion ways to communicate covertly that are a HELL of a lot easier than hiding lat lon coordinates in TV signals. The CIA up to a few years ago used a surveillance receiver, a Micro Tel model PR900. It covers a huge range of frequencies and modes and was used for bug sweeps and other purposes. I have used one. It has what is called a subcarrier decoder that can decode signals e.g. on FM broadcasts that are inaudible in ordinary receivers like you have in your home or car. I tuned around with it on the FM broadcast band and heard alternative programming (books being read aloud for the blind, elevator music, unknown data bursts etc). I was told that subcarriers were used in highly sophisticated bugging to foil audio feedback detection techniques. This technique involves tuning through bands and listening for a feedback squeal when you happen upon a bug frequency that hears itself in your receiver speaker. VERY VERY few receivers could decode FM subcarriers so this mode was used for sophisticated bugs. Maybe the old timer CIA guys remembered this technique and jumped to conclusions about the false claims of hidden messages in TV signals. I am waiting for someone on Coast to Coast to market a dead person receiver. Why use tapes? I mean the signals are there, clear as day. Let's decode them in real time and try to make it a two way conversation. Georger, Snow, Sluggo, Guru... you guys up for a new band? CQ dead guys CQ CQ. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo writes about Ckret: EXCUSE ME? You of all people raise this objection???? Astounding lack of self awareness. And Jo, why not just admit you got him silenced by his superiors. I miss him and I'd bet that you had a lot to do with his exit. You still owe us proof that Duane was a parachutist. Otherwise he will be always be known as Duane the WHUFFO roun these parts. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I was a Bill Duase DZ customer at Pope Valley back in the day and later at Lodi. I still jump at Lodi once in a while. Bill has been a saint about keeping money in jumpers pockets rather than hogging it all for himself. Because of that generous attitude I have sent many tandem and solo students his way. They all made safe fun jumps. I wouldnt hesitate to send someone to Lodi for their first tandem based on what I know. I am not tandem qualified so if you are hearing credible cautions about Lodi from people with better qualifications heed them, but look at motives too. How many DZO's are as generous in pricing as Bill Dause? His jump prices are insanely low and always have been. That generosity should be rewarded by referrals as long as he runs a safe operation. That's the way I see it.\ 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, The VERTICAL distribution says D R E D G E deposit to me and to most others. Not Brian, not tides, not river currents. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I did take those criteria (ht, wt, looks) as a given starting point, but I didn't think to look inside the ultimate den of evil capitalism: SI. Who knows what lurks within?... the Snowmman knows. I like old TV shows and was watching Route 66 on a DVD. One episode was practically written for Sluggo. Some wacked out nuke scientist forsees a message of impending Soviet ICBM attack hidden in the chess moves of a Russian opponent. He takes a bunch of human breed stock into Carlsbad Cavern to await the strike. The dialogue at one point recites every nuclear weapon fallout isotope and their human effects ("this one favors the thyroid"). Sluggo would have loved it. In the end, as usual, conflicts are resolved and Buzz and Todd ride off to a new adventure in their Vette convertable. Am I the only one old enough to remeber this show? I have about 80 episodes and am hoping one involves skydiving. Jo, you said very recently that you had put Duane in a chute. I assume you meant parachute not laundry or garbage chute. Why do you claim Duane was a parachutist when there is not a scintella of CREDIBLE evidence that he was? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That old post of Ckret's was cute. I actually enjoyed his presence here even though he was at times evasive. What a shame he was a victim of an obsessive grudge. The guy did have a good sense of humor. I feel refreshed by the latest tone in the forum. We are a pack of Jackyls and Bruce just tossed us a ton of meat. We are feasting on it and, for moment at least, have stopped snapping at each other. It is curious that there is so little documentation of the money shards. I do believe they were there. Lots of stories corellate. Could there be , as G suggests, lost or misplaced FBI files? If the money container separated from Cooper during his fall it could end up in the river and Cooper on land. That's all I am saying in distinguishing Jerry's quest from Jo's. A body or rig could be in the woods. I don't give comparable odds on Duane being Cooper or even having ever parachuted. Jerry at least gets sone vigorous exercise and an opportunity to commune with nature. Maybe more if he runs into some of those Washougal cabin widows. Jo gets something different than Jerry does. It's less tangible but no less satisfying. Jerry slogs through inhospitable terrain and vegetation. Jo slogs through derisive doubters. Petey sure makes a perfect Cooper even though he may not be Cooper. It was funny. Orange and I were constructing an ideal Cooper: 727 tech knowledge, smoke jumper, skydiver with night jumps, OUS resident in 71, SE Asia connection... And Snow finds a perfect match. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.