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Given enough time, anything will eventually become relevant or did I get that part of Stat 112 wrong too? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I am so confused by statistics that I buy Georger's story. I guess he breathed some of Cleopatra's air too. Maybe that's what sets him off now and then. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow puts Jo and Jerry in the same category. I don't. I think Jo is chasing a phantom but Jerry's quest is different. Cooper could have easily been separated from the loot during a high speed unstable exit. There could be a body and a packed rig (or what is left of them) in the woods. It isn't impossible, just improbable. Jo keeps finding more weird stuff about Duane's life in and out of prison, but none of it puts him in a chute much less jumping from an NWA 727. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I jumped at Pope Valley In the early 70s too. I never ran into Mike Steele there, but I wasn't a frequent jumper, student budget constraints. Made my first DC 3 and Lockheed Lodestar jumps at Pope. I wonder if Mike Eakins knew Mike Steele. I still see Mike E. when I jump at Monterey. I knew they flew gliders at Fremont. Didn't know there was Skydiving there. I think Mike Steele may have jumped at Calistoga for a while. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

We better be careful not to screw up their dredging permits. Those old military bailout rigs had a thick plating of Cadmium on the hardware. Can't be grinding up toxic heavy metals in a salmon river. Maybe Jerry can be a consultant and offer compelling evidence that the Cadmium is in the Death Woods not in the river. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: ***I put him in a chute and then they tell me I have to put him on the Plane - now go figure! REALLY? When? How? Proof? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

To my mind we really did have currency shards, lots of em, with a dispersion pattern making a dredge deposit the only rational transport explanation. Hey, we moved a step forward. I am also beginning to think we might rule out all those Cooper wannabes who were allegedly spending big unexplainable amounts of cash post Norjack. The money went in the drink. Cooper probably did too, but we have no proof yet. I REALLY want to know if that briefcase piece recovery story is true. The briefcase sure makes more sense as a money bag that a jury rigged pouch fashioned from a reserve rig. If Cooper did go into the river I'll bet it was as a no pull. If the canopy were open it would have been far more likely to have been found or wash up or eventually snag somewhere visible. If he tied the briefcase to him he would have tumbled wildly after exiting and probably been unable to stabilize. The flailing briefcase could have even knocked him out if it collided with his unprotected head. What a horrible night for Cooper. At best he landed alive without the money and at worst he drowned or died from impact. It's enough to have turned a living Cooper into an eccentric frugal old hermit with a big grudge, with memories of a freezing trudge along the banks of the Columbia, shivering broke and hurting. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Cooper Money HAIKU: Peaceful rest river floor sucking monster screaching lift pieces sandy cloud 377 San 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I think Snow may be using this forum as a practice site. His goal is eventually forming a cult. Lots of money in that game. Look at L. Ron Hubbard, Rajneesh, Maharishi, Werner Erhard, etc. Talk about money for nuthin and chicks for free... Those guys wrote the damn book. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I only know electronics, LORAN, GPS jammers etc You are more of a big picture guy G. Besides I did really poorly in statistics. I got a good grade but I had no idea how to use the teachings. My prof used to post absurd trick stat arguments like proving black is white etc and I could never see the trick. If you left the particle analysis to me I might accidently conclude that it was all from a bag tossed off a bridge by Duane. I am confident you'd not let that happen. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I've been told by someone who was in a position to know, that members probably werent kicked out of the USPA for unapproved AFF type activities at that time. Thsi Knights site suggests Mike was killed "cliff jumping". I think that's incorrect but I wont know until I investigate more. The site says on one tab: "Mike's Hero's Choice shot is from 1973, in California, and includes two of his cousins. It is believed that Mike died somewhere between 1979-1981 while cliff jumping." http://www.goldenknightsaa.com/roster/detail.asp?memberid=1802 Wold apprecate any details about Mike life in and out of jumping. You can PM me if you wish, but I wont publish anything distateful, just want to get a picture of who he was. I was in high school with him and didnt even know he was a skydiver. I think he was fairly modest about it. When I found out it was him who made the football stadium jump I was surprised. I didnt see the jump but it was probably late 60s (68?). A friend who did see it said he thinks he recalls a "square chute" and done at night. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

OK, I withdraw my suspicions about the money find. The dispersion of currency fragments through deep layers of sand rules out an Ingram complicit plant at Tena bar. I think it also rules out Jo's "bag of bills river tossed off a bridge by Duane" explanation too, but will she change her conclusion? Don't hold your breath. There is no data on what happens when you pass $200,000 in twenties thru a pipeline dredge on the Columbia River, and how it ends up relative to sand and clay layers. Maybe what's at Tena Bar is the sole experiment? There is a lot of guess work, but no data. My guess is that the intact bill bundles were less dense than the slurry of sand and water being discharged by the dredge and floated up to the top of the discharged material. Just a hunch. Why didnt Ckret tell us about the vertically and horizontally dispersed bill fragments? Surely he must have known, right? It is an important fact. This is fun, we are discussing real Cooper evidence not just jabbing at each other. Well, I guess I made a jab at Ckret, but hey, he should have told us. I guess Jo could say the bag Duane tossed off the bridge was dredged up and discharged on Tena Bar, but thats a real stretch. Wish they had done a 3D particle density map and modeled/calculated the amount of currency that was shredded.I am surprised nobody thought of doing this. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Orange wrote: How the hell do you end up following LORAN stories Orange? Amazing. I love LORAN, cut my teeth on LORAN A in the 1960s using WW2 surplus APN 9 aircraft receivers on boats, had about 35 vacuum tubes and weighed about 40 pounds. NOTHING digital, you had to physically count marker pips on a CRT to figure out microseconds of delay between the master and slave sigs, then go to charts with hyperbolic lines of constant delay on them and plot you position using two sets of LORAN A readings. After making recent very expensive upgrades to the LORAN C systeme it's just nuts to kill it. It doesnt cost that much to run it. Despite early predictions to the contrary, GPS has turned out to be ridiculously easy to jam. We need a backup like LORAN C that is independent. Read this: http://www.gpsworld.com/gps/system-challenge/the-hunt-rfi-776 Imagine if a cheap TV antenna preamp radiating spurious signals can cause this much accidental GPS havoc, what you could do with an well designed jammer. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Great job Bruce!!!!!!!!!! Could Dorwin be right about a briefcase???? I used to see the Biddle a lot when I was fishing near SF. It was always working in the 4 Fathom Bank area (called the Potato Patch locally) keeping the SF entrance ship channel deep enough for most merchant vessels. The Biddle was huge and looked like a ship rather than a barge like vessel. The channel shoals up with sand and keeping it dredged is a never ending job. It never could be kept deep enough for fully loaded supertankers. They had to go elsewhere. Great to have you back Bruce. Nice cover on Knopfler Snow. Lyrics fit. I regret to say that a live Cooper is looking less likely, but it's not impossible. Petely has some inconsistencies in his stories. I am surprised the FBI is so certain that they have Coopers DNA. Maybe they did process the cig butts. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sure beginning to look like all the money ended up in the river and was dredged up. I still cling to the fantasy that Cooper survived but I must admit that is less likely than a drowning given the money's fate. OK, so assume he drowned. How the hell did nobody miss him and connect the dots? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You mean those things on the show arent true Georger? I heard them play recordings of dead people talking. You need to listen to what they say: things like "beware", "go away", "danger". It's really heavy stuff. Dead pepole are not very friendly but why should they be? The paranormal scientists just activate a tape recorder near areas where people have died or suffered violence or danger. Voices just show up on the tapes. When they do it in a graveyard it sometimes sounds like a convention hall. We need to try it near Coopers landing area. I bet we hear "prints on the aft stairs" or perhaps "another Bourbon please Miss" Don't be so closed minded G. Open up and a new world awaits you. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo would like that Pentagon 9/11 airliner crash story. The FBI made an entire airliner go POOF. Really. I read it on the Internet. David Copperfield must have been involved. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Tom Kaye. I don't pretend to know science. I am just an engineer. I know my place. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

From the Coast to Coast AM crowd: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/201020-Flight-77-Cockpit-Door-Never-Opened-During-9-11-Hijack Another government coverup of what really happened on an airliner. Ya just can't trust the FBI on anything connected with an airliner. Jo is right. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

My books include a collection of airliner flight manuals including a very thick one on the 727, published prior to 1971. I also have a collection of parachute and skydiving books, including military riggers manuals which include C9, NB 6 and NB 8 details. Hey, wasn't "Tina" once used as code for crystal meth? "Friend of Tina" used to mean meth head in some circles. Did Duane use meth? Dexidrine? Whites? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I have always looked at airliners as large aluminum beer cans. I mean both are cylindrical, both are pressurized and both contain beer. Both have, on occasion, caused problems for jumpers. Check out this jumbo aluminum beer can: http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2007/02/07/kingfisher500x375.jpg Can we view the rear stairs in the NWA Flt 305 727 as a jumper operated pull tab? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks Jack. Do you have Knight contact who might have known him? Do you have an email address for Gene Paul? Maybe I can turn this into something more substantial that might be published in Parachutist or Blue skies. I was just planning to write a few paragraphs for our high school alumni newsletter, but if I can get enough info I'll make it bigger. Sounds like Mike was one hell of a jumper. We were classmates in HS but I wasnt a jumper until Sept 68. I graduated in June 67. Mike has SCR 123. SCR No. 123 Steele Mike Taft California 11-10-68 Anyone else have info about Mike Steele? Mark 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Great idea Snow. Beats the hell out of that symbolic plaque and record we launched years ago. Send out lots of em, with beaconing transmitters showing previews of web pages and info on how to get more. Hey, was there or wasnt there a debris field of currency fragments at Tena Bar? I cant tell from reviewing posts. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Looks like he died in 1981. I am ordering a back copy of Skydiving magazine that has an article about his accident. Will post details here. Anyone know him, jump with him? I am betting his jump in to our high school football game was a pirate jump. The school was right on an approach leg from the Woodside VORTAC to SFO. Airliners flew right over the school all the time. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Well, duh, Clapton. But I wasn't aware he was connected to the case. Is "Layla" actually about Tina, not Patti Harrison then? happythoughts had provided evidence here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3762577;search_string=clapton;guest=65622763#3762577 Duane was DBC. He also recorded the guitar tracks for Layla with Eric Clapton. [/url] Clapton wrote about Duane/Cooper's sadness, (verified by Tina according to Jo) the rain and falling through the mist of Nov 24 1971. It also recounts his bliss at daybreak looking at all the money that surrounded him: "The rain is falling through the mist of sorrow that surrounded me. The sun could never thaw away the the bliss that lays around me." From the song: LET IT RAIN by Bonnie Bramlett and Eric Clapton. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.