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The Republicans from the Trump administration who say he’s lying aren’t lying. Well, not about that, anyway.

So who am I thinking of? Go on - get it right and I’ll even throw in that apology. You can’t lose!

Yes - Trump’s MAGA insider covering his own ass saying “well of course we weren’t going to do what we said we planned to do!” What, devoid of reality, doomed to failure, breaking his promise to the people and serving no purpose but to cover his own ass?

The words where you said Fauci told him to talk about bleach and you could tell that for sure because of a look? The words where you said all the papers were lying about what Trump said but couldn’t find a single example? That whole thing was classic dude. Remember you were so embarrassed by it you just left until now? Why are you doing it all again?

Your own article contains more people from the military and Trump’s own administration saying that. But I get the you can’t be expected to read your own source. It’s never been your strong point.

Are you apologising for lying about Biden ignoring and reneging on the withdrawal protocol that Trump signed? After all, your entire argument since then has been that Trump’s plan was to ignore and renege on it, and the problem was that Biden followed it. You apologise for lying about that, yes? BTW, if you remember, the first thing I said was “Let me guess, after the terms of the agreement resulted in the overthrow of the Afghan government Trump gave an interview saying “well of course I was never going to follow my own plan!” And you believe him.” So I’d say I had you pegged the whole time. You said it was a ‘reliable source’ when it was just a MAGA administration insider covering his own ass. I am more than happy to continue calling you a liar for that

It does indeed prove the theory of how incredibly closed minded you are. Is there a shred of evidence that guy is telling the truth? The military and the rest of the Trump administration say he’s full of shit. The fact that Trump abandoned the Afghan defence forces and allowed the Taliban to rebuild their strength before he left office shows he’s full of shit. You know he’s full of shit. Why are you lying about it?

Lol, ok. Here’s an idea - I’m thinking of someone involved with Biden’s organisation of the withdrawal. Tell me who it is and I’ll admit you were right about everything. Should be super easy, right?

Yeah, exactly. Trump’s deal as it was written was a fucking disaster, so afterwards Trump’s people come and and say ‘well obviously we weren’t going to do what we agreed to do!” Come on man, how blindly partisan are you? Power sharing with the Taliban? Unbelievably stupid - the Taliban were never going to share power after Trump allowed them to rebuild into a force that could simply take everything. Did you even read that article? The military says that guy is full of shit. Other people from inside the Trump administration say he’s full of shit. The ‘plan’ he outlines is pure fantasy. This really is the bleach all over again. Why do you put yourself through this given how incredibly embarrassing that was for you?

Yes. Please do.

Please could you link to what you’re talking about?

How about the guy in command of the military in Afghanistan talking on Fox? Asked if Trump’s Doha agreement, the U.S.-Taliban withdrawal deal, was responsible for the collapse of the Afghan government, McKenzie offered his most pointed criticism of both commanders in chief. “The president of the United States owns the final responsibility for these actions. I believe we had two presidents of the United States that wanted to exit Afghanistan, and they might not have had anything else in common, but they shared that common view,” he said. “So we had a continuity of objective across two administrations that really allowed the events that occurred to occur in the manner that they did.” See how full of shit you are?

Obviously you’re going to lie about the fact that you’re lying. That’s just taken for granted. You’ve never seen a hole you didn’t want to dig deeper. Like the bleach and the UV.

“Hey Siri, do you know what the fuck Turtle is that asking about?” Yeah sorry dude, Siri says you’re full of shit.

What assumptions? I’m just saying what we can all see to be true - you’re just lying to cover your ignorance and can’t help digging a deeper hole. To recap, when said Biden ignored and reneged on Trump’s withdrawal agreement. When asked how exactly that was the case you said he ignores it by following it and reneged on it by not reneging on it the way Trump would have done. If you’ve got anything to help make sense of that, you really should link it. I mean, I know you don’t and you know you don’t, but still.

Look what up? Someone (we don’t know who) saying something (we don’t know what) about Trump’s Afghanistan plan? You do realise AI still isn’t good enough to answer the question ‘what the fuck is Turtle actually talking about’ right?

You know how painfully transparent it is that you’re just trying to cover up that you’re a lying fantasist, right? If there was no point, you wouldn’t have posted anything on the topic at all, let alone continuing to post even after getting hammered for your ignorance and partisan denial of reality. But you are still posting, because you care about not being seen to be totally wrong. Which all means it’s pretty obvious that if you had something, you’d say what it was. But you obviously don’t, because you’re making it all up.

So I need to look for someone saying something about Afghanistan and the only hint is that it wasn’t Trump? Yeah, no. How about stop playing stupid games to cover up your own ignorance? Think you can manage that just once in the history of this site? Say what you mean, link what you think you have. What kind of plan was it to leave the Afghan defence forces unsupported to suffer terrible casualties, and allow a massive Taliban resurgence during 2020? Trump’s plan was exactly he said it was during his campaign, during his Presidency, and during his second campaign - leave foreign wars alone and damn the consequences. By the time Biden got in it would have taken another troop surge just to get back to the stability the country had in 2019, and all the while Trump would have been blasting the war mongering democrats for ignoring his deal and dragging the US back into the quagmire, and you know it.

Find what? Trump saying, after his deal was proven to be an ridiculously naive failure, that he didn’t actually mean it?Yeah, no shit he said that. So fucking what? Now how, specifically, did Biden ignore and renege on the withdrawal agreement? Note, we’re talking about the actual withdrawal agreement that Trump negotiated, approved, and was abiding by until he left office - not the stuff you imagine was written in the back in invisible ink.

What a compelling argument. You said that Biden ignored and reneged on Trump’s agreement, then said the proof is that he did what it said instead of ignoring it and reneging on it like you think Trump would have done. You do understand how crazy that is, right? How blindly, irrationally partisan it is?

Yes, your imagination. That’s the source for your reliable assertion that Biden ignored the withdrawal agreement by adhering to what it said, and reneged on it by not reneging on it like Trump was going to. You do see that you have to be a fully paid up MAGA cult member not to see how insane that is, right? Let me guess, after the terms of the agreement resulted in the overthrow of the Afghan government Trump gave an interview saying “well of course I was never going to follow my own plan!” And you believe him. So why had he already abandoned the Afghan defence forces by mid 2020? Why did he leave our allies to fight and die alone while he was still in charge?

Extreme sycophancy for sure (same as when he valiantly defended the Covid bleach suggestions) - but I'm not sure gullible is the right word when he's simply invented this story inside his own head. Hey Turtle, when Trump came into your dreams to tell you this cock and bull story about the 'withdrawal ruse' was he wearing anything except a single golf glove and his Maga hat?

You're not clever enough to ask rhetorical questions worth answering. Specifically, what part of Trump's withdrawal agreement did Biden renege on? Nb; the bits that only exist in your pro-Trump fantasies don't count.

What negotiations? Says who? They already negotiated a binding agreement, they already signed a binding agreement. Who is 'he'? And why on earth do you think 'he' would be pressuring the Afghan government to allow troops to remain when 'he' just went behind the Afghan government's back and signed a deal with the Taliban to leave and let them get on with it? This is fucking insane. It's a fantasy. It is based on nothing but your obvious need to kiss the orange ass. Trump stopped fighting the Taliban in early 2020. He left the Afghan defence forces alone and unsupported for a year before Biden took office, a year in which they crumbled and the Talban surged. And seriously - let's get this straight. I asked you specifically what part of the agreement Biden reneged on, right? And you are actually saying that Biden reneged on reneging on it... because it was always Trump's plan to renege on it? Fucking hell son, we've had our share of hardcore fanatics in here but you score a solid 10 out of 10 on the Kool Aid scale, you really do. Biden did not trust them, Trump did. Biden was faced with either reneging on Trump's binding agreement and instituting another massive troop surge just to regain the position that Trump gave away, or adhering to Trump's agreement and accepting that Afghanistan was already lost.

Nooooooooo no no no no. You can tell the difference because those are the other guys.