jakee

What a weekend for white power in America. First, both Trump and Elon come out in favour of rehiring this avowed racist into a position of huge power with zero oversight over government spending that affects every person in America. Second, Trump's immigration policy just became explicitly racist. Trump who is dedicated to reducing immigration to zero and has ordered all asylum seekers to be turned away has found one ethnic group in the world who are so hard done by that he is actually inviting them to seek asylum in the US and ordering that it be granted.... white South Africans. Even I didn't think they would stop trying to hide it this quickly.

I'm just waiting for him to try and fire or sideline a Federal Judge. That'll be your point of no return.

Thing is it's not just that. While this is just wild pie in the sky nonsense, he is also very definitely in the process of stealing the entire apparatus of the federal government out from underneath you. Incredibly consequential things are actually happening.

It'd be a bit sooner than that, Mar-a-Gazo needs people to work in housekeeping. Migrant status though, so they don't get any ideas.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/07/musk-doge-staffer-quits “Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool,” read a post on the X account, @nullllptr, last July. In September, the same account posted: “You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity.” A separate post, responding to another user’s comment on the prevalence of people of Indian origin in Silicon Valley, read: “Normalize Indian hate.” This is a guy Elon specifically chose to take with him to Doge from Space-X. What a craaaaazy coincidence!

You agree with me about that too, I did already say that it's not going to happen. No kidding. The only question is why you tried to pretend otherwise.

Why are you so determined to sanitise this in the face of all available evidence and common sense? Trump has just shut down all foreign aid (except that which Israel uses to fight the Palestinians) because America First…. but now he’s committing to a gigantic 20 year humanitarian project for the benefit of the Palestinians? Fucking nonsense, zero consistency with anything else we know about his agenda. Regarding New Orleans - were any residents forced to live in Mexico, Cuba or Canada in the meantime? No? Bit different then isn’t it. And are we to assume any of the temporarily relocated Gazans will be allowed to stay in Israel while this is happening? No? Doesn’t sound quite so good for the generous humanitarian motives then. The regarding the rest of what the Trump Press Sec said, if we wanna take that at face value. No boots on the ground, no US taxpayer dollars spent. So again then, what the fuck are we actually talking about? Someone going to have to provide security for the builders, so it’s going to have to be complete Israeli military control of the Gaza Strip, right? What are the chances Hamas goes for that? And who’s paying? Not the US, definitely not Israel (which would indirectly be the US anyway), what about the Arab states? Well I didn’t see any of the Bin Sauds standing on that stage alongside Netanyahu, did you? I think we can assume that’s a non starter. So that leaves the thing Trump has always been talking about - private investment in beachfront resort development. Funny thing about investors, they tend to want a return. How many Gazans do you think would be able to afford a realistic cost of a brand new beautiful world beating sea view condo with neighbouring golf course? Come on man, drop your loyalties and be serious for once.

What are you gonna do, send the aliens after after them?

“I think there’s a cover-up... they won’t release full reports. Everything’s covered up,” It's pretty obvious why you're accusing everyone else of being dishonest (including Bigun who also disgrees with you for the exact same reason as me), it's because you just don't want to admit that you flew off the handle without properly reading the article. The guy is very specifically telling you that he is saying he believes things that the military are not telling him about. This is in addition to the fact that his claim that he was told one specific thing in secret behind closed doors by an Admiral is not actually evidence that he did not make it all up. I don't know why you're so determined to keep digging instead of admit you were too lazy to read the source.

How can you continue to be this deliberately naive? She doesn't know what Trump's plan is. No-one knows what Trump's plan is because he doesn't have a plan, but whatever he thinks the plan will be, he has never said it will be temporary. This is direct from Trump: The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting. The Palestinians, people like Chuck Schumer, would have already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities, with new and modern homes, in the region. They would actually have a chance to be happy, safe, and free. The U.S., working with great development teams from all over the World, would slowly and carefully begin the construction of what would become one of the greatest and most spectacular developments of its kind on Earth. No soldiers by the U.S. would be needed! Stability for the region would reign!!! Trumps vision is for the Palestinians to be gone, permanently. As he said repeatedly before the election, he doesn't want to rebuild Gaza City, he wants to build a new Gaza beach resort and condos. The only Palestinians he envisions ever coming back to their homeland are the ones that'll be needed for the housekeeping and lawn mowing jobs at Mar-a-Gazo, just like the illegal Mexicans he uses back home. It's not even about support for Israel really, it's just pure opportunism, ethnic cleansing for developer profit. You said the inspiration was Rio, the inspiration is Soch - a holiday resort for the ultra wealthy that primarily exists to funnel staggering wealth into Putins own pockets. Honestly right - how dare you accuse the people who actually pay attention of that, when you are speaking from a position of intentional ignorance?

What he is saying is who knows what he's saying? What he's announced is not a plan, it's just a vague desire to do some ethnic cleansing and hand some sweetheart development deals to his cronies. None of it is going to happen so in one sense who cares, but still, choosing a time just as the peace deal is kicking in to antagonise Hamas all over again is rather odd. If you don't even know what he actually said why are you interpreting what you think he meant? Could you have a more uninformed opinion? It was clearly stated in the OP, so that really is your fault.

I get that, though I would point out that I literally started out this conversation by pointing out to Dudeman that with the given information our opposing opinions on this could both be equally valid, but that wasn't good enough for him. I'm sure you'll be fine, I don't think Bigun is that unreasonable.

Replying to a comment you claim you can’t see in order to continue complaining about the fact that I am disagreeing with someone for the exact same reasons you disagree with him. If that’s not love, I don’t know what is.

That’s a lie. You never end up in a circular argument with me - you end up in a place where you cannot justify anything you say, keep insisting you’re right anyway and get angry that I don’t just accept it. Case in point when I gave you multiple internal military investigations from multiple services all concluding the military was systemically racist and you dismissed it claiming I’d only given you ‘isolated instances’ of racism and blocked me. In other words, it’s not me, it’s you. And in this particular case, it’s even worse. We already know that in this thread you actually disagree with dudeman and agree with me. You’ve made the same points I have made, so if my argument is circular, what is yours? Further, let’s look at the shortest synopsis of this exchange: Dudeman: It’s misleading to say he’s made this up when he’s only relaying what the military told him. Me: This is him specifically being quoted saying he believes in things the military are keeping secret from him. Kinda looks like more of a straight line than a circle, doesn’t it?

But at least he really is anti war and committed to breaking the cycle of endless, ill thought out foreign occupations and Middle East meddling and oh god dammit! Trump says US will ‘take over’ Gaza Strip in shock announcement during Netanyahu visit Cos yeah, forcibly resettling the Palestinians. That’ll end as well as it did last time.

That’s misleading and deceptive, because you are and you know it. It’s nutso and insane to believe that something the size of a football field was travelling at hundreds of miles an hour underwater. That has nothing to do with whether you or I believe space aliens exist. Conflating the two is misleading and deceptive. The article quotes him claiming without evidence that he was told something in secret - the supposed telling being the evidence you refer to. I’m not sure how you’ve got this confused, but him claiming there is evidence that he was given behind closed doors is not actually evidence that he was given evidence. It is absolutely a valid opinion to assume he made that up. And since you read the article so carefully you will know that he is also saying he believes in things (like the underwater bases in the headline) the military are keeping secret from him. Quotes from the article: “I think there’s a cover-up,” “they won’t release full reports. Everything’s covered up,” Because you’re so keen on getting things right you’ve probably checked out the source article too where he says “I haven’t been briefed on this, just from what I’m putting together,” He doesn’t have any evidence for the specific claims he is making. You certainly haven’t provided any public record evidence for the specific claims he is making, that is an outright lie. Which again, as you well know, is not what the OP is about. It’s like the difference between someone who say ‘I believe in spirituality’ and someone who says ‘angels and demons talk to me every night and try to make me do things’. It is misleading and deceptive to conflate a general belief in the possibility of UFOs with the specific and insane claims that Birchett is making, just as you shouldn’t treat the belief of person two above the same as a general belief in spiritual things. Everything in this statement is a lie. Your argument is that his claim of secretly being given this evidence means the evidence does exist. You are insisting he is telling the truth about that and it’s a flat out lie to say otherwise. You know that the OP is not misleading because you know that Birchett is claiming things he definitely has no evidence for, and you know that it’s valid to think he really doesn’t have evidence for things he does claim to have evidence for. At first I think you were just mistaken in saying the OP is misleading and deceptive, but at this point you’re just flat out lying to save face. So maybe stop digging now?

This is the truth behind the so-called 'anti DEI' facade. Pure, virulent racism. Like Pete Hegseth complaining that just because the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is black, no-one knows if he's the best man for the job. Well now Pete is SecDef and everyone knows he is not the best man for that job. Nothing in his CV would get him into the interview pool for CEO of a medium size company if he wasn't country club buddies with the board, but who cares? He's a white guy who's willing to push the racist agenda and that's all the qualification that matters right now.

A problem with how these things are covered is that Trump and his supporters are almost always allowed to get away with treating every individual instance of white supremacist speech, policy, association or staffing as just one individual thing on its own with no connection to the whole. Then every individual thing can be explained away on its own, that speech was misinterpreted, that dinner with a neo-Nazi was accidental, we didn't know that guy was into white-power when we hired him etc etc. When you put it all together though it's undeniable, but they're never hammered on it.

That one deserves its own thread really. He was actually fired by Trump administration 1 for being a white supremacist back when they had to care about public perception. Now he’s been rehired by Trump 2.0 since they can do whatever they want without anyone to hold them back. All the talk about ‘ending DEI’? This is the real agenda. Explicit racism, plain and simple.

He built a site specifically intended for people to sell drugs and other illegal products and services. Yes, I think other executives who do the same thing should go to jail. I think it's scandalous that it is so rare for the architects of illegal business practices to be prosecuted. Don't you? So? Trump thinks El Chapo should have got the death penalty. So? Campaign trail Trump said people like him should be executed. Yes, that's the question - how much did he pay?

Studying reports of oddities and saying "an unknown object the size of a football field was moving hundreds of miles an hour underwater" are two very different things. Stop being so misleading and deceptive. Nothing in that paragraph relates to anything I've said or implied. Stop being so misleading and deceptive. That is not true, and it is misleading and deceptive to say so. The guy claims with no evidence that he was told something utterly insane by the military. It is an absolutely legitimate view to take that he has simply made it up or that his pre-existing bias has caused him to massively misinterpret what he was told. I mean come on my dude - of all the times to start insisting that a politician must be telling the truth...

It doesn't lead me to conclude the post was misleading. The guys claims he was told something utterly insane by the military in a secret briefing. So either the military is giving utterly insane secret briefings to congress, or he made it up. You use your version of Occam's Razor, I'll use mine.

During Trump's campaign he called on numerous times for tougher penalties including the death penalty for drug dealers. One of his first acts as president was to unconditionally pardon the founder of a site that sold hundreds of millions of dollars of illegal drugs and called the people who brought that drug dealer to justice in the first place 'scum'. Since Trump has absolute immunity for official acts it is completely legal for him to sell pardons so... how much do we think he got for it?

Well.... yeah. It's as nutso as everything else he said. Just think about the physics of something the size of a football field moving at hundreds of miles an hour underwater. It'd be boiling the ocean around it.

It might not be the worst thing he or other Presidents have ever done, but I struggle to think of a more horrendous bit of public speaking. An unfathomable level of callous, tone-deaf, narcissism.