jakee
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You asked this question "Should you be fined if you go outside the guidelines?" Dude - the guidelines you were talking about don't exist. You didn't ask if the conspiracy theory was real, your question presupposed that the conspiracy theory version of a 15 minute city is what a 15 minute city is.
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Uh, yeah. I failed to consider you weren't talking about what a 15 minute city actually is because you obviously weren't talking about what a 15 minute city actually is. Come on dude, it's a real failure of yours to highlight that I never even considered that you might be discussing reality when you have already clarified that you are indeed discussing the conspiracy theory version. Is that how naive you were in insisting that Trump cabinet members must be telling you the truth about what Trump was doing? How naive you were in not being able to think of a single reason why an administration insider would lie to you? Is that how naive we're talking?
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The government could fine you for any damn thing you could imagine. But here's the thing, and I want you to concentrate real hard because you might just be capable of understanding this one, just because you've imagined it doesn't mean it's a real plan that someone has. I mean damn dude, only you could post an article saying 'no that's not what a 15 minute city is' as evidence that you're right, that is what a 15 minute city is.
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Ask me how I knew you were talking about the 15 minute city conspiracy theory, not the actual 15 minute city planning concept? Ah you don't need to ask - because it's you. It's always going to be the stupidest possible option with you.
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No, I mean you literally couldn't conceive it. You couldn't think of a single reason why a political operative wouldn't be telling the absolute truth about his own team. You get how closed minded that is - right? You don't even think it's a possibility that Trump did what he actually did - halt military operations and and airstrikes against the Taliban a year ahead of the withdrawal. You're so closed minded you're blaming that on the Trump hating media
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MAGA didn't.
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You think Trump didn't give the Taliban a year to plan for the withdrawal, didn't stop engaging them with US troops and didn't halt airstrikes against them, giving them the time and space to rebuild their strength? Who the hell told you that? Sure as hell not you. You haven't said your theory is plausible, you've been saying it's absolutely definitely true. This whole 'open minded' thing is just your get out when you're unable to defend your position anymore.
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Dude, you couldn't even conceive that a former Trump cabinet member who works for the Heritage Foundation could have a reason to embellish Trump's record! That's how closed minded you are
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The fundamental problem with the Afghan withdrawal was that the Taliban were told it would happen 18 months in advance, and were left alone to plan for that day and rebuild their strength to immediately take advantage of it. This fantasy that you and Jay have that Trump was working all the angles behind the scenes with a new secret double bluff plan... ridiculous! Trump agreed to stop fighting the Taliban, and did it. Trump stopped sending troops to support anti-Taliban missions, he stopped sending airstrikes to suppress Taliban commmanders and training facilities, and he did it in exchange for a pinky-swear promise that the Taliban wouldn't do exactly what they eventually did. This is the insurmountable problem with your version of events. The plan you say was 'a ruse' was already implemented. It was full on happening, exactly as it had been agreed.
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Should who be fined?
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Exactly - you have no idea what the secret Trump plan was, no idea whether it would have worked, but you're so closed minded you can't imagine even the tinest possibility that they were actually doing what they said they were doing at the time, and the plan really was to follow the agreement as Biden did.
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I don’t think you know what ‘motives’ means. Why did you say the disaster was a result of Biden not following Trump’s plan then? Not only do you not know what his plan was, you don’t know if it would have been any better. Yet you are absolutely certain that Biden’a failure was not doing what Trump wanted to do.
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And yet you think he had a master plan for the whole thing. Just not the plan he said in public, and not the plan that his Sec Def said afterwards was secretly the real plan… but definitely some kind of master plan! But again Mr open minded - what is the possibility that Trump was simply planning to do what his own agreement said the US would do, and Biden did continue on with that same plan?
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And yet here you are saying the catastrophe was that Biden wasn’t following Trump’s secret plan of… not withdrawing. So how was that going to go for you? Right, the plan was for everything to be sunshine and roses and for the Taliban to behave like reasonable grown up politicians. Of course that wasn’t in the plan, but any plan that didn’t involve that and also didn’t involve not withdrawing was a fantasy. So again, is Trump ever responsible for anything?
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Is Trump ever responsible for anything? Is MAGA ever responsible for anything?
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He was the President who abandoned the Afghan Defence forces to the Taliban. He was the President who stopped fighting them and allowed them to prepare to take the country back. He’s the President who gave them thousands of fighters back. Is he responsible for any of it?
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So Trump isn’t responsible for anything? MAGA is never responsible for anything?
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Tell me what Trump is responsible for regarding the Afghanistan draw down?
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Biden. No-one’s saying he did that bit brilliantly. But it happened because he decided the best thing was to honour the agreements Trump put in place. Again - after the utter disaster for the Afghans of 2020, their total abandonment by Trump and the resurgence of the Taliban, how much a redeployment would it have taken just to get back to 2019?
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Lol, no. Read the article and your own arguments again. You and he are saying the total withdrawal agreement was the thing to keep the Taliban at the table. The 800 people was the plan that he says he thought would actually work, and therefore the thing that you said was absolutely definitely unquestionably the thing they were actually going to do. Except that, as you’ve just so brilliantly pointed out, it was a terrible plan and never would have worked.
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And Trump was President when he abandoned the Afghan defence forces, told the Taliban he was handing them the country and have them the space they needed to plan their takeover. How many soldiers would need to be redeployed and money need to be spent just to undo that damage, let alone get to the point where any withdrawal could actually work?
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Are you joking?
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But you just said that plan of 800 people wasn’t recommended but Biden did it anyway? Make up your mind, dude! So what plan did Trump have? He didn’t have the plan that he publicly negotiated and signed. Nooooo they weren’t going to do that. They didn’t have the plan Chris Miller said they secretly had of leaving 800 people there. Noooooooo they weren’t going to do that. So what plan did they have? Effectively you’re saying that all of Trump’s proclamations of being the guy to get the US out of Afghanistan were just a total con, they had no plan to leave at all?
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So your reliable source is an idiot who had a plan that never would have worked… but that was what Trump was going to do? Remember you have been incredibly insistent on this point, that Trump was absolutely definitely going to follow this plan of 800 people. Now you’re blaming Biden for that too?
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Trump was in charge when they came up with the plan. Trump was in charge when they enacted it in 2020, abandoning the Afghan defence forces to suffer huge losses while the Taliban built its strength for the total subjugation of the country.
