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“A problem with how these things are covered is that Trump and his supporters are almost always allowed to get away with treating every individual instance of white supremacist speech, policy, association or staffing as just one individual thing on its own with no connection to the whole. Then every individual thing can be explained away on its own, that speech was misinterpreted, that dinner with a neo-Nazi was accidental, we didn't know that guy was into white-power when we hired him etc etc. When you put it all together though it's undeniable, but they're never hammered on it. “ Now, the next topic would be why did they do it at all? It’s the only language they took down. Why? And why have they done it… again? According to the article they took down the Spanish language site during Trump 1, promising it would be back soon and never brought it back. Now again they’re saying it will be back soon. Will it?

Which is why you know nothing about it, and why it was so easy for Musk to fool you into thinking a right wing media conglomerate pushing a mandatory pro-Trump message across its channels was actually evidence of a left wing deep state USAID propaganda plot? Ah, sorry I got sucked into taking your posts at face value for a moment. I know you don't really believe any of that, you just need some cover to make revelling in the illegal mass firings of tens of thousands of ordinary people less wealthy than you seem more palatable. A Skydive AZ tandem costs £260. In 2018 did it cost $90? $130? I find either of those hard to believe. Similarly a normal jump ticket is $33. In 2018 was it $11? $16.50? I think almost certainly not. What do you think it was? Now what about particularly egregious groceries? In 2018 a gallon of milk was $2.85, in 2024 it was $4.10. Doesn't look particularly like a 3x increase to me. And 2018 was a freakishly low priced year. In 2014 it was £3.82 and in 2007 it was $3.87! So really in nearly 20 years the peak price of milk has increased by 1.07x. If anything that sounds unsustainably low for producers.

So? Biden didn't do that, your companies did that. That would be a way out of complying with their own internal policy. Biden did not require you to be vaccinated or to say you were vaccinated. You were simply having a private dispute with your employer over the conditions of your employment. Given what you support you cannot possibly claim they did not have the right to fire you if they wanted. You think it causes wages to stay flat? No, people like Musk and Bezos do that.

There's nothing 'gotcha' about it. It's totally legal for Trump to take a large amount of money in exchange for pardoning someone he thinks should be executed, so there's nothing anyone can do about it. There's no come back. This is just curiosity. Now that Trump is in the White House he doesn't need the libertarian vote any more, and he sure as shit isn't one himself. He's quite radically the opposite of that. And of course, he also made a play for the WH via the super tough law and order 'kill all drug dealers' vote. So why did he choose to take the side of Ross Ulbricht, a man who made a shit ton of money selling drugs and doubtless has a large stash of untraceable bitcoin squirrelled away? It's (not) a mystery...

Which is, again, all obvious nonsense which you don't believe and which has nothing to do with the government potentially firing tens of thousands of people without due process. You just like seeing people fired.

The first sentence, dude. The very first sentence. The US Supreme Court has blocked President Joe Biden's rule requiring workers at large companies to be vaccinated or masked and tested weekly. Oh for sure Trump and his supporters spread a huge amount of disinformation on social media. Good to see you recognise that at least. But the clip you provide is of Sinclair's stations accusing the mainstream media of spreading misinformation against Trump. You know this (in part because the clip is literally titled "Sinclair's script for stations"), which is why I know you don't believe for a second that it has anything to do with USAID.

No he didn't. What do you care if a private company decides to fire someone? You like people being fired.

Ok, you've got a clip of a number of local stations all owned by the same media company reading out a pro-Trump statement written by the owner of the company. It's very obvious that you don't believe any of that has anything to do with USAID.

It's not the Government's fault that wages are constant, and firing a huge number of people while cutting benefits and services for those on low wages won't make them change by a cent. You dont believe that for a second. Then you were never under threat. So why all the bitching and moaning? <Sigh> Internet censorship and media narratives did not cause covid.

You don't really believe any of that. Anyway: You voted specifically to make the thing which hapened to you that you hated, happen to tens of thousands of other people? Do you still think it was unfair or wrong in anyway when it was done to you? If so, how do you justify that feeling when it's actually what you want?

You don't believe any of that. Anyway, you said you voted for Trump primarily because the Dems tried to get you fired. Now, Musk and Trump are illegally firing tens of thousands of people. Real people with families to feed and mortgages to pay. Aren't you angry about that? It's exactly what you ought to hate. Or are you more of a revenge kinda person - like if you can't have exactly what you want then fuck everyone else?

What a weekend for white power in America. First, both Trump and Elon come out in favour of rehiring this avowed racist into a position of huge power with zero oversight over government spending that affects every person in America. Second, Trump's immigration policy just became explicitly racist. Trump who is dedicated to reducing immigration to zero and has ordered all asylum seekers to be turned away has found one ethnic group in the world who are so hard done by that he is actually inviting them to seek asylum in the US and ordering that it be granted.... white South Africans. Even I didn't think they would stop trying to hide it this quickly.

I'm just waiting for him to try and fire or sideline a Federal Judge. That'll be your point of no return.

Thing is it's not just that. While this is just wild pie in the sky nonsense, he is also very definitely in the process of stealing the entire apparatus of the federal government out from underneath you. Incredibly consequential things are actually happening.

It'd be a bit sooner than that, Mar-a-Gazo needs people to work in housekeeping. Migrant status though, so they don't get any ideas.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/07/musk-doge-staffer-quits “Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool,” read a post on the X account, @nullllptr, last July. In September, the same account posted: “You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity.” A separate post, responding to another user’s comment on the prevalence of people of Indian origin in Silicon Valley, read: “Normalize Indian hate.” This is a guy Elon specifically chose to take with him to Doge from Space-X. What a craaaaazy coincidence!

You agree with me about that too, I did already say that it's not going to happen. No kidding. The only question is why you tried to pretend otherwise.

Why are you so determined to sanitise this in the face of all available evidence and common sense? Trump has just shut down all foreign aid (except that which Israel uses to fight the Palestinians) because America First…. but now he’s committing to a gigantic 20 year humanitarian project for the benefit of the Palestinians? Fucking nonsense, zero consistency with anything else we know about his agenda. Regarding New Orleans - were any residents forced to live in Mexico, Cuba or Canada in the meantime? No? Bit different then isn’t it. And are we to assume any of the temporarily relocated Gazans will be allowed to stay in Israel while this is happening? No? Doesn’t sound quite so good for the generous humanitarian motives then. The regarding the rest of what the Trump Press Sec said, if we wanna take that at face value. No boots on the ground, no US taxpayer dollars spent. So again then, what the fuck are we actually talking about? Someone going to have to provide security for the builders, so it’s going to have to be complete Israeli military control of the Gaza Strip, right? What are the chances Hamas goes for that? And who’s paying? Not the US, definitely not Israel (which would indirectly be the US anyway), what about the Arab states? Well I didn’t see any of the Bin Sauds standing on that stage alongside Netanyahu, did you? I think we can assume that’s a non starter. So that leaves the thing Trump has always been talking about - private investment in beachfront resort development. Funny thing about investors, they tend to want a return. How many Gazans do you think would be able to afford a realistic cost of a brand new beautiful world beating sea view condo with neighbouring golf course? Come on man, drop your loyalties and be serious for once.

What are you gonna do, send the aliens after after them?

“I think there’s a cover-up... they won’t release full reports. Everything’s covered up,” It's pretty obvious why you're accusing everyone else of being dishonest (including Bigun who also disgrees with you for the exact same reason as me), it's because you just don't want to admit that you flew off the handle without properly reading the article. The guy is very specifically telling you that he is saying he believes things that the military are not telling him about. This is in addition to the fact that his claim that he was told one specific thing in secret behind closed doors by an Admiral is not actually evidence that he did not make it all up. I don't know why you're so determined to keep digging instead of admit you were too lazy to read the source.

How can you continue to be this deliberately naive? She doesn't know what Trump's plan is. No-one knows what Trump's plan is because he doesn't have a plan, but whatever he thinks the plan will be, he has never said it will be temporary. This is direct from Trump: The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting. The Palestinians, people like Chuck Schumer, would have already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities, with new and modern homes, in the region. They would actually have a chance to be happy, safe, and free. The U.S., working with great development teams from all over the World, would slowly and carefully begin the construction of what would become one of the greatest and most spectacular developments of its kind on Earth. No soldiers by the U.S. would be needed! Stability for the region would reign!!! Trumps vision is for the Palestinians to be gone, permanently. As he said repeatedly before the election, he doesn't want to rebuild Gaza City, he wants to build a new Gaza beach resort and condos. The only Palestinians he envisions ever coming back to their homeland are the ones that'll be needed for the housekeeping and lawn mowing jobs at Mar-a-Gazo, just like the illegal Mexicans he uses back home. It's not even about support for Israel really, it's just pure opportunism, ethnic cleansing for developer profit. You said the inspiration was Rio, the inspiration is Soch - a holiday resort for the ultra wealthy that primarily exists to funnel staggering wealth into Putins own pockets. Honestly right - how dare you accuse the people who actually pay attention of that, when you are speaking from a position of intentional ignorance?

What he is saying is who knows what he's saying? What he's announced is not a plan, it's just a vague desire to do some ethnic cleansing and hand some sweetheart development deals to his cronies. None of it is going to happen so in one sense who cares, but still, choosing a time just as the peace deal is kicking in to antagonise Hamas all over again is rather odd. If you don't even know what he actually said why are you interpreting what you think he meant? Could you have a more uninformed opinion? It was clearly stated in the OP, so that really is your fault.

I get that, though I would point out that I literally started out this conversation by pointing out to Dudeman that with the given information our opposing opinions on this could both be equally valid, but that wasn't good enough for him. I'm sure you'll be fine, I don't think Bigun is that unreasonable.

Replying to a comment you claim you can’t see in order to continue complaining about the fact that I am disagreeing with someone for the exact same reasons you disagree with him. If that’s not love, I don’t know what is.

That’s a lie. You never end up in a circular argument with me - you end up in a place where you cannot justify anything you say, keep insisting you’re right anyway and get angry that I don’t just accept it. Case in point when I gave you multiple internal military investigations from multiple services all concluding the military was systemically racist and you dismissed it claiming I’d only given you ‘isolated instances’ of racism and blocked me. In other words, it’s not me, it’s you. And in this particular case, it’s even worse. We already know that in this thread you actually disagree with dudeman and agree with me. You’ve made the same points I have made, so if my argument is circular, what is yours? Further, let’s look at the shortest synopsis of this exchange: Dudeman: It’s misleading to say he’s made this up when he’s only relaying what the military told him. Me: This is him specifically being quoted saying he believes in things the military are keeping secret from him. Kinda looks like more of a straight line than a circle, doesn’t it?