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The movie hot fuzz comes to mind not all coppers have the same positions so the guys out there making the arrects would have a better income than the ones processing the information. The whole system needs to be done correctly for the criminal to be charged or the innocents to be released. A commission scheme such as the one suggested here would not make the process any more reliable, only more people would be arrested. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I get paid $40 for a tandem and $75 if I take hand cam. I do around 100 jumps a month so you do the maths. on a good day I can earn $600 or so for doing 9 jumps, on a bad day $115 for 2 jumps, but get to go home at around 10am.. my job sucks doesn't it!! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So they got a letter? Dated a month after the new presedent was elected, from the FBI assuring them that they are looking into it. Who is the boss now?, the guys that gave the orders for the last 8 years or the guys that are drastically trying to fix the problems the last govornment created. The FBI don't want to look like idiots as well. A cop will not dispute science with scientists, that would be a bad mistake. The assitant director of the FBI will not want to lose his well earned position covering for some other fuckwit that decided to make a dollar. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

That is awesome, and quite appropriate. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Not now no, like i said the USA public isnot ready for the truth just yet, Obama has stated that he will resore science to the govornment, he will take interest in this. Now is not the right time, later this year is the time, No one is sure who pulled it off? they simply let it happpen regardless of who did it. How can a plane hit the pentagon witout the govornment being incompetent? I don't think the govornment alone is in on this, it seems it is simply damage control, spiraling way out of control. but we will ony know for sure what really happend once a real investigation actually happens which could be a decade from now? What the USA want to see is jusctice, if the truth unravels, the public will be stoked to have someone to blame, the dems will look like that good guys and the pubicans will look like the idiots that they were! Based on what evidence? They never have got away with anything, since day 1 people have been on thier backs but somehow they seem to continue the lie, It is now in the hands of a few individuals that are qualified and passionate enough to unravel the truth. nah but the AE911truth guys already have! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

No worries, I am over getting frustrated on this issue, i am just happy knowing there are plenty of honorable people on the case and that i am contributing to thier effort. The maybe you can explain how this is possible without explosives? NIST have not, no body has, untill recently freefall speed had been denied. NIST's computer simulation shows a completely differnts slow collapse when the actual collapse was as if the earht had been taken away from beneath the building. Quite astounding. There are numerous threads on this site, websites on the net and discussions we have both had with each other and other people. I do not want to cloud this thread with the same information and bullshit responsed that come from angry naysayers. I want to focus on NIST and thier faliure to produce a report that acurately describes what happened on that day. I am not going into theories in this thread as this was not my job it was NIST's job as wellas a couple of others. Theories cannot accurately be made witout real iformation, if that information is skewed than so it the theory made from that information. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

For fucks sake bill, I made a mistake, and I acknowledged it. By that rationale because I made a typing mistake, all the engineers and architects at ae911truths research is now rendered useless? Maybe this mindset is behind the large amount of disbelief in what actually happened that day. I know your thoughts on the matter and you stand behind a pancake collapse of the building/s that NIST compiled. My question to you now NIST have released the data on the collapse of building 7, that has shown free fall speed from the rapid onset of momentum of the building when it fell down... ... How is that possible without explosives? Pancake collapses take massive amounts of energy transfers between each floor and would slow the fall rate considerably. When we last discussed this you said the speed was not that of absolute freefall, yet NIST have since admitted it was without explaining how? ‘You’ also have to correct your theories with this new information. Applying the standards you use for others to yourself, nothing you say can be trusted, since it's been shown that you change your story when confronted with indisputable facts! Quote No I corrected myself and presented the facts. Remember I am a tandem instructor not an engineer that has been paid many millions of dollars to conduct an investigation on a terrorist attack that has changed the shape of global policies and killed so many people, directly and indirectly. This investigation is of utmost national and international importance and is being handled like it is not. I hope NIST's change of face has you thinking, if not that will happen in September or soon after, because I know you are a rational person, you have just been fed bullshit that sounds believable. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I have, and i am marrying her in a few weeks!! whatever disagreement we have had we have mangaed to overcome it diplomatically and nowdays we hardly have a disagreement as we understand each other more. No relationship is perfect otherwise it would be boring, if you complement each other and want to spend the rest of your lives together then you are soul mates IMHO. Things can and do change but why worry about what could happen? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I stand corrected, I should have written most of the evidence was shipped away. china happily took 500,000 tons of the steel and the uss new York used 24 tons. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

There are many facets of this investigation that do not add up, too many to consider coincedental. at this point however the truth is slowly emerging... It is a very sensitive subject and people obviously arent quite ready for the truth just yet but in due time the will learn to stop listening to the bullshit and open thier eyes. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

the USS New York used only 24 tons, some of the metal was recycled in the USA but a huge amount was old to china for less than the going rate in the USA at the time WTC Steel Removal The Expeditious Destruction of the Evidence at Ground Zero Steel was the structural material of the buildings. As such it was the most important evidence to preserve in order to puzzle out how the structures held up to the impacts and fires, but then disintegrated into rubble. Since no steel-framed buildings had ever collapsed due to fires, the steel should have been subjected to detailed analysis. So what did the authorities do with this key evidence of the vast crime and unprecedented engineering failure? They recycled it! Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage. 1 The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year.... http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

the USS New York used only 24 tons, some of the metal was recycled in the USA but a huge amount was old to china for less than the going rate in the USA at the time WTC Steel Removal The Expeditious Destruction of the Evidence at Ground Zero Steel was the structural material of the buildings. As such it was the most important evidence to preserve in order to puzzle out how the structures held up to the impacts and fires, but then disintegrated into rubble. Since no steel-framed buildings had ever collapsed due to fires, the steel should have been subjected to detailed analysis. So what did the authorities do with this key evidence of the vast crime and unprecedented engineering failure? They recycled it! Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage. 1 The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year.... http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I don't care what you all think about my beliefs, But I do care that you have the right to know. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The FBI as well as the NIST cannot refute what actually happened, what actually happened is different to what NIST and the general media portrayed based on the information given by NIST. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is exactly what its own name suggests, the FBI cannot conclude that NIST commanded a thorough investigation. All the evidence was destroyed many years before the investigation had come close to concluding. As well as many different scenarios that could play a vital role in the outcome not being considered. Those buildings were sent straight to China as scrap metal when they could have been held as evidence. That would be like a police officer throwing the gun away at a murder scene, it just does not happen like that in a real investigation. This subject is not about the conspiracy theories of who how or when, it is about the conclusions made from a very lengthy, extremely expensive NIST report that is now rendered incorrect by their recently released data. The have officially agreed that tower 7 fell at free fall speed with a raipid onset, That is physically impossible without removing all resistance from the mass that is falling. what is the only way to make a building do that?? Why did they not even bother to check for the possibility of explosives?? Anyone can do anything with the right access, how is it impossible that the suggested terrorists could not gain access to the twin towers? Because tower 7 had to come down as well and access to govornment departments like he CIA etc would be an embaressment to the govornment? Who is to say, realistically that terrorists could not plant explosives? Especially considering there was so many accounts of explosions and debris well before the buildings collapsed. Why would that not even become a consideration in an investigation of a terrorist attack of this magnatude? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Pity y'all didn't think that forward 8 years ago when GW was running a mock. Imagine where you could have been now.... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Pity y'all didn't think that forward 8 years ago when GW was running a mock. Imagine where you could have been now.... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

http://www.gators911truth.org/PDF/FBI-Response.pdf Read this letter (2mins), look at the date. And please link any conversation regarding what I am talking about (NIST admitting free fall speed and rapid onset of collapse in tower 7) that has been made in these forums. The conspiracy theory was fully debunked years ago apparently according to you guys?!?!?, but 'no' in 2008 and 2009 the FBI and NIST have changed their tone somewhat, under a different leader? who will take all the blame for the incompetence and deceit that has been going on..... This stuff is of the utmost importance but is far to raw to address in this current global climate, let poor old Obama dig his heels in before this one comes out of the bag because it is HUGE! How about September the 11th for an appropriate time? That is when this is going to happen... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So you saw tower 7 fall the way the NIST report initially said it did,or how they have recently amended it to say? That is the issue here, the FBI have acknowledged that there is substance in the AE911truths findings (letter attached in the original post from the FBI dated December 2008). NIST have also recently changed their findings and have admitted the building (tower 7) fell at free fall speed with rapid onset as opposed to their original findings and supposed working model. Their more recent data matched that of the AE911truths mathematicians' original investigations. The subject here is the NIST official report being thoroughly incorrect and the need for a legitimate independent investigation is needed before any conclusions are correctly made. Let alone wars that might result! oh shit that already happened. All you 'Nay Sayers' that have believed word for word what NIST have said and stood by them when all the evidence is leading to them having made a mockery of science and technology due to some sort of lie or cover up. These guys have used millions upon millions of dollars of government money and 7 years to come up with a great big pile of junk that is simply, Data made to fit a model that they chose for themselves rather that making a legitimate investigation. The possibility of explosives being used was not even explored by them let alone acknowledged. Even though independent investigations have found otherwise, everyone says it is certain that there were no explosives? How does anyone know that if no one officially looked for them? The investigation to date is a farce that will unravel itself in the next year or two, GUARANTEED! The videos in the links are not what you have seen before, they are actual recent footage of NIST spokesmen making absolute fools of themselves, blatantly lying and ruining their professional reputations. will you eat your hat if I am right? Really I don't give a shit what you or anyone thinks, I was also right about the Iraq war (being a lie and a waste of time, money and life) and everyone here ridiculed me for that as well. I just want to bring this up again in September when Obama talks about it, it will happen! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

QuoteI'llhavbe to re research thier standpoint. i belive the NIST guys know thier stuff too, but they are covering upo a lie and they have lied thier way into a corner, it is plainly obvious. did you watch the videos? i cant wait for 9/11 this year! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I don't ignore anything i may not reply but... Regardless of where the twin towers started falling from, they fell in a manner of a controled demolition using explosives, NIST refused to admit that freefall speeds were reached initially and based thier whole investigation on incorrect data, but have come around quite receently due to being quetioned by AE911 truth members at press conferenceses. scientists cannot escape laws of physics... When you say towers you are including tower 7 right? a high security government building with various high security govornment departments among other things,,, ..fell due a diesel generator fire? at freefall speed? even NIST admitd they were wrong, bad mistake, they didn't even look into the possibility of the perpertrators using explosives and they sent all the evidence to be melted in a foreign nation. Quite a competent bunch of idiots don't you think... The beauty of this new investigation is that it will happen and just like the war in Iraq it will be found that those in charge at the time did completely the wrong things, increased the national security risk and had a high percentage of america behind them. then when the truth comes out everyone will jump on the bandwagon. I hope they Bush (administration) all fry for this. Did you watch the videos in the links? I don't think so as you would clearly see that NIST completely fucked up this investigation, and are clearly lying, we all know what lyers sound like and look like. I challenge you to watch them. like actually do it, they are only 5 minutes or so long. Open your eyes. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I am not going to get into nitty gritties of theories, but to answer your question, I can't say for sure the Bush administration wass behind the collapses, maybe though you should ask why the chose people that are still alive as the people they claim to have hijacked the planes? i would prefer this thread to remain scientific, there are too many other threads about this but at least now, real scientists are making real ground on breaking the mindset that the govornment could never cover up a mass murder of this magnatude. The reality is that they never have, just most decide to is too unbeleivable to to believe. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Being entirely interested in these matters as most of you will well know, I visited www.ae911truth.org for an update as these guys are on the case and are getting real results by forcing the truth out of NIST. Most interesting is the recent positive response from the FBI acknowledging http://www.gators911truth.org/PDF/FBI-Response.pdf and also NIST finally admitting to freefall speeds on the collapse of tower 7. http://www.ae911truth.org/info/44 Watch the videos, it is quite conclusive as to who knows what they are talking about... In a few weeks time AE911truth will have a booth at the AIA national convention. They hope to have their petition signed by over 1000 architects and engineers, they are already have 630. they will present thier evidence on 9/11 2009 to congress... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Among the worls best scenery would have to be... Fox glacier on the west coast of the south island of New Zealand. a 12000' mountain peak only 10 miles from the ocean, you jump only a few kilometres from the ocean. with a veiw of the mountains (1000's of them) with masses of glacieres(hundreds of them too) and neves, 2 13kilometre glaciers running through temperate rain forest with braided rivers and lakes meandering off to the ocean only a few k's away. Or NZSkydive in Glenorchy, New Zealand where many scens from lord of the rings were filmed for obvious reasons... almost as nice a fox gliacier but not quite, because of the ocean and rainforest factor. I'm homesick now! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Using cannabis as an example While illegal, cannabis is hundreds of dollars per ounce, and millions of people use it regardless of any laws. If legal and taxed it would only fetch a few tens of dollars per ounce. And it would be more regulated. About the same amount of people would smoke it, probably less using The Netherlands (locals not tourists) as an example. And the bottom would fall out of the black market, the people would get what they want, not a cheap substitute for what they desire and hard criminals would lose their incredibly large incomes. make sense? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix