rhys

Once again I am being asked for an assumption, how do I know these things? Did I spend 20 million dollars investigating it? No. To work them out you have to work backwards from the result and investigate thoroughly the sequence of events that took place rather than choosing a result and making a model to fit that decision. I simply observed what I saw, I was not completely shocked about it as intrigued as I was (my peers included) but was sure that the buildings also had explosives from the rate and direction in which they fell. I felt this way before any conspiracy theory came to rise, found it obscure that the investigation stated otherwise and shocked to find the US people were so behind attacking Iraq due to the attack when they apparently played no part in it whatsoever. We all waited years for some sort of decent report to come out of it, by this stage Iraq was already levelled due to stupid deliberate assumptions from the GWB admin. They let the USA be attacked; they let a projectile hit the pentagon an hour after the first hijacked plane hit the WTC? And they continued to put the USA at more risk of attack than ever before while decimating the power, affluence, and stature that the United stated of America had while Americans wave little flags at them with pride. I was called all sorts of things in these forums when Iraq was being invaded for stating that it was a mistake, look what happened years later, the very individuals that ridiculed me for implying the USA/GWB admin was corrupt and bullshit artists, now share that same standpoint as me on the subject. Go figure? You may or may not know my standpoint on religion as well as these matters. It does not surprise me that the majority of USA, believes this bullshit story as they also believe the bible as well. A believable story to ease the mind and stop people from thinking for themselves. Majority rules right? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

so you can get a fliter for the cookie .25 lens? I don't think you can, the .3 and others yes but not the handcam lenses? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The camera depends on what your DZ's set up is. My current DZ is still using mini Dv and they heve dedicated editors so i am using a HC96. The glove is a waycool, and the lens is a black eye. The black eye is IMHO the best on the market that i have seen, though the cookie and royal do the job they have convex lenses and are suceptable to scratching, the black eye has a cheap filter available, i just replaced my filter and the lens is immaculate underneath, will last forever.. if i dont drop it!!! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The amount of time it would take an object to fall from a height, with the assistance of gravity, without any significant resistance, aside from the usual resistance of the earths atmosphere. A strange question from a skydiver? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So NIST say (in their $20million investigation) the molten substance falling out of the tower just prior to collapse is most likely aircraft aluminum even though it is glowing orange, Steven Jones and co. do experiments (even though as scientists that know molten aluminum does not glow orange at that temperature). NIST says organic matter mixed with the metal made it this color and it is common knowledge that organic matter does not mix with molten aluminum. For fucks sake, I have melted lots of non ferrous metals as a jeweler and like their Experiments concluded. Aluminum does not produce that color at those temperatures, and organic matter does not mix with it at all. You lot seem to skip the parts that make sense and assume they are implying things they are not. NIST have yet to try to explain the collapse from the point of onset (after spending $20 million on it), FEMA did and they said their hypothesis has a very low probability. I.E your pancake collapse theory. Stop picking through the bits you want to see. For you out there that think I am crazy and think this was a big old plot from the GW Admoronastration. You are wrong. i am not going to jump to conclusions as you all have. All I am implying is NIST have made a mockery of the investigation and they do not explain the collapse of the buildings and the rate in which they collapsed. But i suppose that is irrelevant. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I hope you are right. thanks for the information. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Hi, The DZ that i am currently working at, wollongong Australia. Just did its busiest weekend it has ever done since it started 10 years ago. 140+ tandems on saturday and 140+ on sunday, fully booked before the weekend started. Yes it is a tandem factory but no the financial crisis has not affected it negatively at all, if anything it is alot busier. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

hmmmmmmpppffffffhhhhhh yes, i am the only one. and you guys are the enlightened ones. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Now show me evidence that; a, The scientific community in it's entirety bar these guys, have refuted thier claims. There are hundreds if not 1000's of scientists (world wide) that are asking for the truth. Please state any impatial claims that refute these b, Evidence what they are saying about NIST's report is not true and c Tell how and why these are not peer reviewed as that clearly state they are; Are you pulling shit out of thin air? or do you have evidence to support your claims? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

How true that is, they have yet to explain what happened from the time the building started to collapse, until it reached the ground. Considering the length of the report, one of the most imortant parts is missing. That is so hillarious as you could fly a 767 through that space. the space between the roof of the buildings and the ground. you are a true comedian. Let me get this straight, you are calling Steven Jonses studies inconsitent with scientific experimentation methods, and you belive NIST's report is thourough and complete? Is that really what you are saying? Explain how explosives are not fire please? That is inconsistant with popular belief. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

yeah, ZP more specifically, i should say why i need this information. i have just bought 2 new micron v304's. On the UPT sizing chart it says a micron V304 it will fit a VX 79 comfortably, and an VX84 tight. Currently I am using a zp jvx 86 with HMA lines. Though the 86 is not my canopy i will be using it until my JVX79 gets to me. Do you think the sizing charts would consider the difference between vectran and HMA in packing volume.... I am pretty sure my 79 will be sweet but the 86 I am not so sure of? http://www.uptvector.com/PDF/Sizing-Chart.pdf Thanks for any help, shit i can't wait to jump my new setup!!!!! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

sorry yes, Micro raven 109 with zp top skin. I know they have a very small flare range, but it flown well they are fine, I have looked into it and decided to go with it. i will set it up as a main to try it out with pleny of heigh to spare. I am confident in my parachute abilities, and have flown many different types at different wingloadings. i am confident I can fly these things as many others have before. it says these will fit in the V304 (tightest fit) but I wonder if anyone here has any experience with doing it? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Here is a peer reviewed journal covering all aspects of the ordeal with numerous atrilcles; http://www.journalof911studies.com/ "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Kind of but not quite, it is more correctly the explanation that uses less assumptions. By your rationale a simple statement would generally be more correct than a thesis. Because the report was (using Occam’s razor) explaining the result of the damage rather than assuming it, it points out where NIST assumed and where that could have a dramatic effect on the result. But they, that created this report, did not use 'guesswork' for a basis (as NIST did), and avoided postulating as much as possible. Photographic evidence is used and official photos to boot. Put this report, Steven joneses report, AE911truths report and all the combined explanations of all aspects of this debacle, compiled by intellectual professionals, without repeating information. Then once printed and bound, sit it next to the Official NIST report. The good guys hypothesis would be much smaller (oooh assumtion) in size than that of the NIST report. The NIST report is so huge, you could almost fly a 767 into it . And ommits substance that will undermine thier hypothesis such as; Stephn jones' paper again to refute your theory. http://www.911readingroom.org/jones/why_indeed_v3.html And a more recent version for you scientific types http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf The images on Page 67 of 'Revisiting 9/11/2001 --Applying the Scientific Method' are quite descriptive. Occam’s razor my man, Occam’s Razor. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

QuoteWhy don't you try rebutting the 10 or so lines above what you snipped out? Quote I have, and like Bill you obviously hvn't taken the time to read or at least combed over the thread in in it entirety before posting. A common mistake. Go back to post 76 of this thread, you'l tell me that guy was telling lies? I can anticipate that as your type are quite predictable. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Hi, Just wanting to know the difference between say a JVX79 and a VX 79. or just the relative percentage difference. round or abouts. thanks, rhys "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Does anyone have experience with packing a micro raven110 in these things. I did look into it when I bought the reserve, and it seems precisions measuring is different than PD's and a micro raven110 is smaller than a PD106 but that is going from someones advice on these forums which is not always correct. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Imagine if those morons 'had not' have recalled all the EV1's and did continue along that path. They would be so wealthy right now but instead they invested in gas guzzlers. Bring on the Chevy Volt! Maybe a decade and a half after the ev1 was designed they might get to make some money off thier R & D. Fuck the oil companies. They can suck shit. It will only take another generation for them to lose their hold on our planet. GM are idiots for not anticipating their current situation, if they pull through and get these thingson the market and push the plug in factor, then they might just pull through. Toyota and Honda are likely to put plugs on their hybrids too though, but we need someone to do it first so we can breath easy. The volt will probably be the first plug in on the mainstream market if they release it when they said they would. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Look what the cat dragged in, the king of unsubstanciated one liners himself. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Agreed Lumping so called conspiracy theorists all into one pile is a common mistake of those with conclusions such as yours. There are losers that believe everything that is controversial, regardless if their beliefs contradict one another. I am not one of those, neither are most of the professional engineers, architects and scientists that are trying scientifically to find the truth rather than simply accept what they are told. As what we are told not only has contradictions but is based on (contradicting) eye witness accounts rather than fact. This study; http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/ Clearly points out NIST's assumptions and basis of assumption and clearly proves it wrong by using fact and as little assumption as possible. If you actually understand what people have to say before you decide not to believe them, then you would be taken seriously but you decide not to. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

you didn't even read it did you. You tried to get me to imagine a house with concrete and steel dropped onto as an explanation/interpretation and I supply you with a detailed, comprehensive study detailing the structural components of the building and using NIST's own words and documents. and you make a response irrelevant to the subject matter, and you want me to take you seriously? please Bill. Assumtion is the mother of all fuck ups. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

If deciding between NIST and this guy; http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/ Using 'Occams razor'. who are you most likely to believe? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I have seen that image plenty of times, there is smoke and dust obcuring the real extent of the damage, but certainly there is considerable damage to that corner of the building. NIST Claim a gaping hole in the centre of the south face was responsable for the collapse. this claim is based on eye witness reports that are dramatically different to each other and there photographic evidence refutes them. http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/ This study is really well done and uses real information on the building with links to their sources, compares photos and reveals NIST's inconsistent claims. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

>When's the last time many people got together to kill 3000 people - and no one talked? probably plenty of time but if I knew about it, it wouldn't be an examole would it? Think about your question! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You know what, I don't know. How about that. Nobody knows except for the people that did this. I am not the type of person that must have an answer, i am the type of person that would like to have an answer but won't take a bullshit story just because that makes me feel better. e.g. religion. I don't think it would ever be possible for a terrorist to hit the pentagon with a hijacked plane, i don't think one did but you guys accept that one did because it was told to you that way. if it is possible and the GW admin, let it happen (how is thier competence?) and then they were elected in again while still fighting a war based on a lie (WMD's) that was common knowledge. What does that tell you about the people of the USA that voted for him? There are too many examples of how and why he is an idiot and people keep asking me how an idiot like that could pull such a thing off. He couldn't, he is an idiot, but the people that put him there must have some very good powers of persuasion indeed. Either that or half of america are indeed idiots? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix