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The patent filing date does not = sale date. Hence, the tie sale date = 1964-65. get it. The logo was first introduced for retail stores Nov 24, 1963. Where is your proof that the new logo was used before that on the tie or any items.

The funky "P" was rolled out starting as the new retail store logo Nov 24 1963,,, the chance of that funky "P" getting incorporated onto the tie and sold in 1963 is virtually nil... your 1963 timeframe is debunked. The time frame for the tie was 1964-65.. not 1963. Evidence clearly indicates Cooper had aviation knowledge that doesn't mean he had to have worked for Boeing. If he couldn't get the airtairs open it wasn't a jail cell... at the time many hijackers were successful by going to Cuba, though I think it is self evident that Cooper was confident the airstairs could be opened in flight.

flight path.... Cooper didn't land on TBAR..

Clearly, the rubber bands were not intact.. your premise is false.. your conclusion self serving. Rubber band frags were attached and crumbled when picked up, an 8 yo kid couldn't determine if they were holding packets or bundles. There is no evidence that determines the location and extent of the rubber bands, just vague and general hearsay. The term "intact" is clearly false. The 3 packets were completely missing a large portion of the sides/edges. Were the brittle rubber bands hanging "intact" outside the perimeter of the deteriorated packets... hard to imagine. Were rubber bands attached to each of the three packets both top and bottom.. unlikely if 20 bills were missing/deteriorated. The bills did have holes created by bacteria, but some of the damage resembled insect damage. Kaye only examined three bills. If there were insect damage that would expose the interior to bacteria. Some have irregular and sharp cuts..

George is orange. but it isn't just skin tone,, witnesses described olive, swarthy, AND Latin/Mexican/Native American features/characteristics/descent... None mentioned a tan.. NONE

Brilliant… Cooper aka Sheridan had a skier’s tan in late November,, flew in from Tibet,, had a beard just before the hijacking,, changed the thickness/wave and colour of his hair,, wore brown contacts, faked chain smoking, ate fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches on the way to Portland.. while imagining daisy chaining the dummy chute before flying back to Switzerland to deposit loot in his numbered account. NO witness said a tan, they overwhelmingly described Latin/Mexican/Native American features/characteristics/descent,, that is not just skin tone.

Wrongo,, Cooper used two books of matches.. “He also wanted the empty matchbook cover from which he was lighting his cigarettes and had thrown into the back pouch of the seat in front as she said she would normally do with trash. She indicated that he had another book of matches the cover of which was blue and said, “Sky Chef.” from which she had pulled matches to light his cigarettes. He retained this book of matches.”

Sounds about right, it was SAILSHAW who pushed suspect Sheridan Peterson for many years... Eric hasn't added anything new other than speculation. https://www.dropzone.com/profile/95300-sailshaw/?do=content&type=forums_topic_post&change_section=1

Eric asks for qn's or comments but doesn't respond to anything that doesn't fit his highly speculative narrative. The "Sky Chef" matches might have come from one of their terminal restaurants, however, they were also supplying catering on various airlines. Sky Chef was owned by American Airlines... Cooper could have also obtained the matchbook during a flight serviced by "Sky Chef".

Individual witness statements can be off, things like height and weight. People are asked to recall so they estimate. In this case it is clear and consistent and overwhelming across all, Cooper didn't just have olive/swarthy colored skin but had Latin/Mexican/Native America characteristics, features, appearance and descent. That isn't an estimate. These characteristics are very hard to capture in sketches, they had to redo the well known inaccurate "Bing" sketch which unfortunately became the face of Cooper. This is the elephant in the room,, everybody is ignoring it.

Eric believes Cooper was Sheridan Peterson, he doesn't match. The ONLY known suspect that matches the description of Cooper is Hahneman. Honduran mother, German father. Cooper was olive, swarthy and latin in appearance, characteristics and descent, also described as possible Mexican or American-Indian. and don't give me the suntan in late November nonsense. FBI PART 11 P 1922 FOLLOWING COMPOSITE TAKEN FROM INTERVIEWS OF WITNESSES WHO WERE IN A POSITION TO SEE UNSUB. RACE, WHITE; SEX, MALE; AGE, MID FORTY'S; FIVE FT TEN TO SIX FT . , ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY TO ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY POUNDS, AVERAGE TO WELL BUILT, OLIVE COMPLEXION, LATIN APPEARANCE, MEDIUM SMOOTH COMPLEXION, DARK BROWN OR BLACK HAIR, NORMAL STYLE, PARTED ON LEFT, COMBED BACK; SIDEBURNS, LOW EAR LEVEL; EYES, POSSIBLY BROWN, FBI PART 11 P 1982 DESCRIBED AS WHITE, MALE, MID FORTIES, SEVENTY TO ONE EIGHTY, OLIVE COMPLEXION, OR BLACK HAIR, NORMAL STYLE, PARTED ON SMOKED RALEIGH CIGARETTES. FBI PART 11 P 2036 Mr. MILNES said the hijacker was described as white, male, American, olive complexion, Latin appearance, black hair, normal hair style parted on left, age middle forties, six feet tall, 170 to 175 pounds, average build, brown eyes. He was wearing a black suit, white shirt, narrow black tie, black rain-type overcoat, black dress suit, and was carrying a dark briefcase. FBI PART 11 P 2047 UNSUB described as white male, mid-forties, five ten to six feet, one seventy to one eighty, olive complexion, latin appearance, dark brown or black hair combed straight back in normal style, parted on left, smoked Raleigh cigarettes. FBI PART 11 P 2056 that he has average eyes, of Latin appearance, with a sort of disinterested look FBI PART 11 P 2224 WHITE, MALE, MID 40's, 5'1011 TO 611 , 170 Tel 180 lbs., AVERAGE TO WELL BUILT, OLIVE COMPLEXION, LATIN APPEARANCE, MEDIUM SMOOTH, DARK BROWN OR BLACK HAIR, NORMAL STYLE, PARTED ON LEFT, COMBED BACK, SIDEBURNS, LOW EAR LEVEL, POSSIBLY BROWN EYES, DURING LATTER PART OF FLIGHT PUTr DARK, WRAP-AROUND SUNGLASSES WITH DARK RIMS. LOW VOICE, SPOKE INTELLIGENTLY; NO PARTICULAR ACCENT, POSSIBLY FROM MIDWEST SECTION OF THE U.S., HEAVY SMOKER OF RALEIGH FILTER TIP CIGARETTES, WEARING BLACK OR BROWN SUIT; WHITE SHIRT; NARROW BLACK TIE; BLACK DRESS SUIT; FBI PART 11 P 1987 COMPLEXION: OLIVE, SWARTHY, THE LATIN TYPE FBI PART 11 P 1841 COMPLEXION: OLIVE, LATIN APPERANCE, MEDIUM SMOOTH FBI PART 18 P5497 RACE WHITE, SEX MALE, AGE MID FORTIES, HEIGHT FIVE FEET TEN INCHES TO SIX FEET, WEIGHT ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY TO ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY POUNDS, BUILD AVERAGE TO WELL BUILT, COMPLEXION OLIVE, LATIN APPEARANCE, MEDIUM SMOOTH; HAIR DARK BROWN OR BLACK, NORMAL STYLE, PARTED ON LEFT, COMBED BACK, SIDEBURNS, LOW EAR LEVEL; EYES POSSIBLY BROWN. FBI PART 26 P 8545 He was unable to determine from the photograph the complexion of ______ but again emphasized the hijacker had a swarthy or Latin type complexion and it appeared to him might have such a complexion. FBI PART 26 P 8574 OLIVE OR LATIN COMPLEXION· Key witnesses generally agree that unsub had an "olive or Latin" complexion.- One witness indicated a Mexican-American or possibly Indian complexion and characteristics. In addition, unsub expressed a desire to go "anywhere in Mexico”. FBI PART 26 P 8881 She thereafter remained in the cockpit where she prepared thirteen pages of notes concerning the hijacking and in which she described unsub as in his fifties. She later said he appeared to be of Latin descent. FBI PART 19 P 5934 "Enclosed is an artist's conception of the hijacker who extorted two hundred thousand dollars from Northwest Airlines on November 24, 1971. This man is described as follows: "Race-white; sex-male; age mid-forties; height-five feet ten inches to six feet; weight-170 to 180 pounds; build-average to well built; complexion olive, latin appearance, mediurn smooth; hair-dark brown or black; normal style, parted on left, combed back; sideburns, low ear level; eyes-possibly brown. FBI PART 10 P 1683 said that the man appeared to be Latin descent FBI PART 27 P 9104 To date 475 suspects have been developed based on appearance, as well as other features. Many of the suspects were developed because of their resemblance to the artist's composite of UNSUB. A great number of these suspects have turned out to be in their 20s or early 30s, with light or fair complexion. According to witnesses, UNSUB's age is in the mid-40s and his complexion is olive or Latin in appearance. The artist's composite clearly looks like a man in his late 20s or 30s and his complexion is difficult to determine from the black and white sketch. FBI PART 27 P 9390 In NORJAK case, witnesses describe subject's complexion as olive, Latin appearance, medium smooth. FBI PART 9 P 919 ALL OFFICES ARE TO BEAR IN MIND WHEN CAPTIONED CRIME WAS ON NOVEMBER 11, 1971, UNSUB AKA. B. COOPER WAS DESCRIBED AS BEING A WHITE MALE, 5 ' 10 " TO 6 ' 0 “ , 170 POUNDS, OLIVE AND LATIN APPEARANCE. FBI PART 27 P 9327 In view of the fact that unsub in this matter had a swarthy complexion and was tentatively identified by several witnesses as possibly having Mexican ancestry, the following lead is being set out: FBI PART 13 P 3159 which he feels more closely depicts the nose and cheeks of the unknown subject, whom he feels was of Mexican-American descent with possibly lndian blood. FBI PART 33 P 12115 indicated that the unsub's complexion was somewhat swarthy indicating that he might have possibly been an American Indian or Mexican American. FBI PART 26 P 8882 believed unsub was a Mexican-American. She had a short encounter with the unsub prior to her deplaning at Seattle FBI PART 29 P 10072 similar Mexican-type facial features FBI PART 11 P 2135 CHEEKS TOO FLAT, SHOULD BE MORE ROUNDED TO GIVE MEXICAN-AMERICAN APPEARANCE. FBI PART 28 P 9541 lacks the Mexican or Indian characteristics that ____ noted in the hijacker. FBI PART 28 P 9559 further advised that the hijacker definitely had some Indian or Mexican blood in him. He would guess about one quarter Indian or Mexican blood. FBI PART 28 P 10037 FACIAL FEATURES: Should reflect a Mexican or Indian ancestry FBI PART 11 P 2039 Race: Caucasian, believed to be of Mexican-American descent wih possibly some American Indian blood FBI PART 34 P 13102 In view of the fact that UNSUB in this matter is possibly of American Indian descent, the following leads are being set forth pursuant to referenced communication:

Here we go........................... Aviation Week Dec 6, 1965 ran an article on a 727 prototype testing for the military (727M)... including a ventral drop test. "Air drop tests with the 727 prototype indicate that loads up to 30 x 55 x 135 in could be dropped through the rear stairwell" Also mentioned in Flight Global March 4, 1965

Not exactly, Hahneman was identified because somebody, possibly a relative tipped off the FBI. The FBI didn't actually ID him. Once identified he turned himself in. He was actually home free in Honduras, he could have stayed there with no extradition even if identified but he voluntarily returned to the US. He got away with it but returned to protect his cousin... BTW, The pilot positively Id'd Richard Cain as the hijacker... he wasn't. Richard Cain (October 4, 1931 – December 20, 1973), also known as Richard Scalzitti, was a notoriously corrupt Chicago police officer and a close associate of Mafia boss Sam Giancana. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cain

Hahneman flew via air taxi from New Jersey to Allentown, stayed in a hotel for 3 days using a false name then took a cab to the airport to hijack a 727 for ransom..

Simple, the Cowlitz sheriff was convinced the placard came from Cooper but the FBI wasn't and they had to walk it back.. This article plus the images/info I found convince me that it is very unlikely the placard came from Cooper. This is the crazy nature of this Cooper case, what at first seems to be a fact just isn't. Eugene Register-Guard Jan 19,1979 Decal’s link to hijacker discounted "SEATTLE (AP) - a heavy plastic placard found in a heavily forested area of southwest Washington could have dropped off any passing Boeing 727, not necessarily the plane skyjacked by the legendary D.B.Cooper, officials acknowledge. The FBI said Thursday the placard could have dropped from a plane during a re-enactment of the incident six weeks after the 1971 hijacking. Cowlitz County Sheriff Les Nelson said the placard was of the type posted next to the rear exits of 727’s and added, “It’s one in a million that any other plane could have lost it in the area in which D.B. Cooper jumped.” The FBI, however, said the placard, posted on the outside of the jetliner, could have dropped off almost any 727 that flew over southwest Washington during the past eight years. Ray Mathis, FBI spokesman in Seattle, said the hijacked plane was used in a simulation of the hijacking, and, “we noticed the decal was missing after that, but not before.” Those placards have been known to fall off on the runway,” added a Boeing spokesman. It was disclosed Wednesday that an elk hunter found the notice last November about 12 miles east of Kelso.The discovery was kept quiet while FBI and Cowlitz County sheriff’s detectives tried to verify the placard’s origin. A person identifying himself as D.B. Cooper hijacked a Northwest Orient plane Thanksgiving eve on a flight between Portland and Seattle. He received $200,000 and jumped from the plane. Authorities have seen neither Cooper nor the money since."

FOUND IT... I had it on my computer but forgot about it.. The 727 emergency aft airstair placard and door. This real image matches diagrams. The Hicks Placard is inconsistent with this 727 emergency release placard. Hicks placard looks too large and has the rivet/screw/fastener holes. The access door has none. If the placard was attached on the wall above the access door then pieces trapped under the rivet/screw/fasteners would have remained and been noticed. The placard looked too clean to be in the woods seven years. The emergency aft airstair release placard part number also references the 737, early 737's had side aft airstairs built in. Conclusion, unlikely the Hicks placard came from NORJAK. NORJAK 727 SN 18807 built 10/22/65 this image from 727 SN 18998 built 03/13/66

Found this, very interesting though some errors (assumptions).. "On the night of 24 November 1971 a man who became known as D. B. Cooper boarded a Northwest Airlines 727 in Portland OR and then demanded $200,000 in cash and five parachutes, ransom money, and crews to open the back door and he parachuted out of the Seattle-bound plane with the ransom money. He was never found, nor was any validated evidence of him. Beginning in ca. 2000 a youth reportedly found scraps of the marked ransom money along the Columbia River near Vancouver WA. Other reports spotted fragments of his parachute; this has been repudiated. The 190th FIS scrambled two armed F-102A interceptors to shadow the hijacked plane, but the hijacker's cleverness and the nighttime conditions prevented very close observation of the airliner. 190th Pilot Major Gene Winchester recalls the incident and his story in this chapter reveals how carefully planned and executed was 'Cooper's Caper'. In October, the 190th alert crews were called on to assist in what has become known as the D B Cooper Affair. Lee Bernasconi was the 190th's Alert Detachment Commander at the time, and when I asked him about it and who was on alert when it happened, he replied, "Ahh, Winchester ... and I can't remember who else was on that night, Thanksgiving night, or maybe the Friday after Thanksgiving. [Laughing] I was at my home on Cole and Victory, and the phone rings, and two airplanes takeoff. I said, "That's my alert birds!" My home was at Cole and Victory. I said, "Hey, that's my alert birds! What's going on?" They [the night crew in the CAC] said they didn't know—so that's about all I knew. And our interceptors got over there and got generally behind him, but they didn't get there until after he crossed the Columbia River, and I think Cooper was already gone by then. And they followed him for a ways, and finally went in ... refueled, and came home. They didn't have radio contact with the airliner, and... probably stayed two miles back most of the time Gene Winchester remembers that Thanksgiving very well when he and Jack Newland were on alert, and at about 4:50 p.m. "... we got a telephone call saying there was a hijacking taking place, and they were airborne at the time and ... they told us to stand by. And then I guess they landed at Seattle first, and picked up the money and four parachutes and ... then they went over to Portland and landed again and let some of the passengers off. They called us and said this guy has commandeered the plane, and he's got the chutes and the money, and he's at Portland and ... ''what we want you to do is be at Portland in the traffic pattern—don't get too close that you'll bother him or startle him—but we'll put you on him in trail' and they figured he's going to bail out somewhere and so you just follow him, and don't get too close to scare him. The thing was, they told us 'when he bails out the commercial pilot would turn all his lights back on bright flash', and we would fly a triangle pattern to mark this spot on the radar. That was our briefing. "So Jack Newland and I took off and ... watched him take off from Portland and we snuck in to ... about a mile in trail—and it was a little difficult, he was only going 150. And he was staying about 10,000 feet." Recalling his previous cargo plane flying days, Winchester figured "... he'd maintain that altitude and airspeed as a safety factor because if he bailed out at a higher velocity... I had a little trouble keeping flying, so I'd get up on the perch and when I was about to stall, I'd go over and sit on the other side. And the lights never came on—the 'bright- flash' signal—when he jumped out. And I was told that he had displayed a weapon and told the crew to shut the cabin door. So they never knew exactly when he bailed out, that's why they didn't turn the lights on." Winchester continues, "So, evidently he went out there, and we had no way of knowing, and we followed that airliner to Reno—Jack and I, it was Thanksgiving evening, I remember that. We were worried about getting home for Thanksgiving dinner! But our briefing was 'he was going to land at Reno and refuel, and we don't want you to land on the same base with him', so we went over to Hamilton, I believe it was, and they would call us when he took off. I watched him land and that back door of that airplane was dragging on the runway and shooting sparks like—you know when you put a knife on the grinder?!It looked like the sparks was going 50 feet in the air! It's dark, and we probably.... got up there about somewhere around 6 o'clock—it was VFR, it was great—a clear night and we could see other airplanes ... and there were a couple F-106s out of McChord, they came down and were available for a while, then they went back. And we asked Maj Gene Winchester 'What are our instructions?' They said 'Well, we don't know if he's still on the airplane, or if he went out the back door when it stopped, he might be here, we 're going to make a cordon, a perimeter off, and do a ground search... And you go over there and get out of the way and fill up 'cause we think he might be going to Mexico; you might be following him to Mexico And I thought 'That sounds interesting!' So we sit over there for, I don't know, several hours. And then they called us and said 'you could go home'. We got back here about 7:00 a.m., Jack and I."1 Winchester had no direct radio contact with the airline crew, only with FAA Controllers. In the darkness and following in-trail at a safe distance, they never saw Cooper leave the airliner."

This is the most amazing thing I found while looking for the placard... though the aft door is closed.. 727 tour. https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=rtPb7TAsPC8

I think this is the Placard part number, haven't found an image to confirm yet. 0178AD DECAL - EMERGENCY AIR STAIR HANDLE AFT COMM 0178AD Marker-"Emergency etc." Aero Decals 0178AD, 0178EWRV2FST, Boeing BAC27DPA182 http://www.ozindustrial.com/?page_id=220&partid=592287&partSupplier=Boeing It shows for a Boeing (727, 737 series).. the earlier 737 had integrated aft airstair option (side) they were known to pop open. https://www2.partslogistics.com/demo/search-part_num-BAC27.html https://www.veritableaviation.com/parts-manufacturer-approval/gm-nameplate/bac27dpa182/ Marker - Emergency Airstair Control . . . (Boeing BAC27DPA182) Details Available 0178AD Details Available Boeing (727, 737 Series)

Found a later 24 FT back rig.. "For sale is a vintage Irvin Military parachute. Lettering on the pack says: Irvin Standard Air Chute. Type: Flexible Back. Item is complete with pilot chute, main canopy, pack, harness, ripcord, back pad, etc. Documents in the Packing and Inspection Data pouch include a Parachute Inspection Tag that indicates that the canopy is a Reliance 24' made in Nov 1961." https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Irvin-Military-backpack-parachute-with-harness-etc-/173771843458?hash=item28759be782%3Ag%3A9lgAAOSw6IdcU4Km&nma=true&si=dF1ZdeGgD4FTm7g1W5AH2Nhxpow%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

DC-9 also has an optional red handle cable pull emergency aft airstair release system.. looking further..

You didn't answer the question,, Did Cooper jump with one of Hayden' back chutes both "Pioneers" or the NB6/8? "_______ advised that he doubts the person who committed this crime was a sky diver. He noted that he has heard that the parachutes furnished to the man were a Commercial brand named ''Pioneer" and a now surplus Navy parachute designated "NB-8”. He stated if this is a fact he doubts the man is a sky diver inasmuch as anyone with sky-diving would have asked for a sky-diving type parachute, which neither of the above are. ________ advised that the above parachutes would be hazardous to use inasmuch as that type of chute would open very quickly, with a possibility of tearing, and both have a high rate of descent and very limited control. In his opinion, a person using such a chute would probably have prior military jumping experience but would not have sky-diving experience. He further noted that an experienced sky diver would have asked for a Chute such as a "Para-Commander", which would be readily .available in an area such as Seattle, Washington. This type of parachute opens more slowly, ls very maneuverable and has a much slower rate of descent." The 24ft might be a typo.. the takeaway is the SN and date for the Pioneer left on the plane differ from the Pioneer back chute Hayden got returned. 24 foot U.S. MILITARY PARACHUTE MFG Pioneer back pack Parachute dated July 1946 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/24-foot-U-S-MILITARY-PARACHUTE-MFG-Pioneer-Parachute-july-1946/162103956850?hash=item25be261572:g:DAYAAOSwGIRXYBsk a 24ft pilot chute B-8 from 1944?? http://www.303rdbg.com/uniforms-gear7.html

Did Cooper jump with Hayden's back chute or Cossey's back chute? That letter is not inconsistent.. if you read it the letter only states that Hayden sent two back chutes to NorthWest Airlines.. not Cooper. You keep claiming you believe the letter but it isn't contradictory.

jumping back to the Hayden chutes.. I found that the era Steinthal chutes use the S/N form year-number like "60-9707" made in 1960. Houston, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. Either the FBI mixed up the Cossey and Hayden chutes and/or they are holding back info only known to Cooper.... The back chute found on the plane doesn't match the one returned to Hayden. That indicates Cooper used Cossey's chute.. "On seat 18B, an unopened back type parachute was observed. A card in the pocket of this parachute reflected it to be a Conacol type parachute, number 60-9707 and made by the Pioneer Parachute Company. This card indicated it was last inspected on May 21, 1971." 1. MAKE: Pioneer TYPE: 26 ft white ripstop conical, SERIAL NO: 226, DATE OF MFR 9/57 (1957) --- packed by Cossey 5/21/71 (Hayden got this one back) 2. MAKE: Pioneer TYPE: 24 ft white ripstop conical, SERIAL NO: 60-9707, DATE OF MFR: 7/60 (1960) --- packed by Cossey 5/21/71 (This back chute was left on the plane, ID'd by National Guard in Reno) The front reserve was a Switlik 1959..

I was thinking before the 727 and DC-9 era.. Besides the Martin 220/440, the Convair CV-240 had tail stairs, there was also a military variant, not sure if it had the tail stairs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_CV-240_family