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On his website, Eric Ulis has some pics of a 727-22 airstair area. A few things.. That plane is not equipped with the optional emergency airstair release which the "Placard" refers to. The optional emergency release system has a "pull handle" behind a second interior panel and another behind the exterior access door. This plane's airstair release, like all North American commercial passenger 727's was modified after NORJAK.. The main handle was not just a simple push... it had a release button on the top which must be pressed. Looks to be missing in this plane. If it was dark Cooper could easily miss the top button and struggle with the handle. We don't know if Northwest 305 had the optional emergency or the same handle.. This is a schematic for Northwest Airlines 727-51 airstairs and the handle looks different. All 727 handles were replaced and updated at some point. It may be impossible to find an example of the same system today..
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2008 Chelatchie railroad study, lots of detailed maps. click to download.. https://www.railstotrails.org/resourcehandler.ashx?name=chelatchie-prairie-rail-with-trail-corridor-study&id=4207&fileName=Chelatchie Prairie RWT Corridor Study 2008.pdf (1)
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FBI file #44 is here.. (secret link) https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper /d.b.-cooper-part-44-of-44/view it is posted here before it gets linked from main FBI vault page which takes a few days
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I found the cross streets, looks like the Amboy chute location is about 5 miles from the rail line... That seems too far...
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He didn't necessarily have to jump a train, he could have just walked the tracks. How many small grocery stores were roughly 10 miles S of Merwin dam in 1971? Couldn't be very many. It was very rural and they would have been very spread out, not close to each other. The Heisson General Store is right in that spot and right next to the railway line. You have a rail route from Amboy to Vancouver Lake, the entire route can be walked in 8-10 hours. On the run, it makes more sense to walk the tracks than walk a roadway.. Does anybody have the exact location for the Amboy chute find??
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Heisson General Store since 1907.. http://www.thereflector.com/news/article_912739b2-2aa3-11e1-9cf2-001871e3ce6c.html It looks like the PVJR and it is still used.. It was abandoned in 1984 sold in 1986 then restored in two sections. http://www.pvjr.com/history.html http://www.pvjr.com/route.html
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That Heisson General Store is 9.7 miles South of Merwin Dam, just not directly South and 4.6 mi East of the flightpath... This area was very rural, hard to imagine many stores in that small area, this one has to be a good candidate. Here is a 3 mi circle and a 9 mi circle from the store. The store is due East of the flightpath time between 8:12 - 8:13.. I would think that when Cooper landed he would not follow the flightpath N or S, he would go E or W to get away from the flightpath, at least initially. No direct road from the flightpath to the store, the South Fork Lewis R is a natural obstacle in between, he would have had to wade cross it, unless he landed in the Lewisville Park.. EDIT,, that Heisson store is right beside a rail line going N it veers E and up to Amboy, going S it goes through Battleground and W to Vancouver Lake.
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Average walk speed over flat terrain is about 3.1 MPH.. 3 hours = 9 miles from Landing point. Rough Terrain at night and an injury could be 1 MPH or 3 miles over 3 hours
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I did find the Heisson General Store, it existed in 1971. It's about 3 miles East. https://goo.gl/maps/7ELQSfsGcP3hqYg38
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The Mexican Spanish Dan Cooper comic was printed in Mexico, had a Mexican distributor and notes classification tariffs for "Correo Argentina" that is the State owned Argentinian postal Co... That indicates the Spanish Dan Cooper comic was distributed throughout Latin America.
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The grocery store break in was "roughly" 10 miles S of the dam. This yellow line ends exactly 10 miles S of the dam. It is about 1.5 miles E of the flightpath (black line). I can't find any stores close to that spot at that time. These are estimates, there are stores a few miles away.
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Tie particles... "Mrs. Hahneman and the sons indicated on occasion that Hahneman was "involved in electronics.", "He would always take apart the toaster or the TV when he was home and put it together again," she said." "Her husband apparently maintained his passion for working abroad on electronics projects. "He went all over. I think he's been in Vietnam and Korea," Jane Albus claimed. She also said that Hahneman maintained a bank account for his family." "Mr. Hahneman, born July 5, 1922, at Puerto Castilla, Honduras, was an American citizen who served as an aircraft radar technician in the Air Force in World War II In recent years, the bureau said, he has traveled in a number of foreign countries." "The witnesses reported that the hijacker said during the flight that his father was of German extraction and was buried in New Orleans, that his mother was Honduran and that he was employed by the Philco Corp. The hijacker was said to have asked if the 727 was equipped with X-band radar and spoke knowledgeably of radar and aircraft as well as the geography of Central and South America. On the basis of this information, the FBI found a Frederick William Hahneman who had served in the Army ..., as a radar operator and a flight crew man. The records noted Hahneman's father died in New Orleans. Passport office records showed Hahneman was born July 5, 1922, at Puerto Castilla, Honduras, and his occupation had been radio, electrical and communications engineer. Five of the Eastern crew members picked him out positively as the hijacker when shown Hahneman's photograph along with those of other while males.”
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Robert, Again, you didn't read my post. Go back and READ IT. DAN COOPER COMICS WERE PUBLISHED IN MEXICO IN SPANISH BY A MEXICAN PUBLISHER... Front page.. back page
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I have researched the Dan Cooper comics extensively, one thing to understand is that they weren't just for children. They became increasingly sophisticated, very technical and political. The author was well connected and respected in military circles globally. A big audience was non-english active military and ex military. Don't assume it was only read by children because it was a comic. Having said that, I do NOT believe "Cooper" was inspired by the Dan Cooper character. He may have read it, been aware of and maybe even used the name. There was a F W Hahneman who worked for the IGY program in Guatemala, he was an electrical engineer. Herge the publisher of TINTIN and Dan Cooper (which also ran in TINTIN).. was a sponsor of the IGY and created the logo for the antarctic expedition. They covered many of the IGY themes in their publications. This may be just a coincidence. The IGY was a big deal... it was the future. I have also found two connections between the name "Cooper" and another, a person named "Daniel Cooper" to Hahneman.
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I already posted this.. DAN COOPER Comics were published in Mexico in Spanish by a Mexican publisher. The focus was a French Canadian with no accent.. now a Spanish Latin American with no accent is in play. 1967 Mexican/Spanish version on LEFT, Belgian/French version on RIGHT.
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The FBI did look up Hahneman's military record in 1972... before the fire I may get those files from them.. within 2 years. Hahneman claimed WW2, Korea and Vietnam, but he may have been a contractor later. He did re-enlist after his service in WW2.
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It isn't just a witness, it is also the FBI that claims NO ACCENT. End of discussion on that matter. As a child he moved back and forth between the US and Honduras with his family, he permanently moved to the US as a teenager and went to college before entering the US military for WW2. He was on an aircrew for a troop carrier division. His records were destroyed in the 1973 fire. He rented the Easton Pa home in 1960 for his family, that is not when he came to the US. The FBI did look at Hahneman for years. The State Department got involved to get him back from Honduras... he was also a Honduran citizen and there was no legal extradiction at that time, he could have stayed there. However, he volunteered to return to the US. The public info out there on Hahneman is very very poor and misleading, half truths, incomplete, contextual distortions and misinformation.. maybe that is intentional. BTW.. the dumbest question I've had was if Hahneman had any parachute experience from Eric Elvis Ulis. Now that is hard to top.
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It is Christmas,, Merry Christmas to all Cooperites... even Georger. Here is my gift,,, to put Robert out of his misery. Hahneman came to the US young and HAS NO ACCENT. I already posted this info. READ MY POSTS. His father was a US born American citizen so he gained US citizenship at birth (via declaration and naturalization process in effect at that time). He lived in Easton PA with his family 50 miles from Tina. At the time of NORJAK Hahneman was estranged from his family for many years and no longer lived there but he paid the bills. I DO NOT believe Tina was "in on it" per se, but she is hiding something, even Flo said that. Stewardess Madeleine Willet said the man (Hahneman) "spoke English without an accent, but he looked Latin American.” FBI files. Hahneman
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Really,, You have no clue what your talking about, your information is 100% wrong.. I posted the correct info, you didn't read it and continue to post false information. It seems you are more interested in posting misinformation than learning the facts. Here is a hint, READ MY POSTS and get your facts straight. You look like a fool posting this nonsense. I had assumed you would just ignore the facts but figured they are a good primer on Hahneman for others, I know few post here but there are significant (new) views.
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Clearly you didn't read my posts.. Stop wasting my time.
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Anything else, not sure, - are you serious? Did you read my posts... Hahneman, matches the crime. matches the physical description and clothing. matches the profile, an intelligent loner estranged from his family. ex-military with aviation experience. an electrical (radar) engineer. smoker. and more... I am keeping the good stuff That is just a start, it doesn't prove he was Cooper but I don't think we can put any suspect on the plane without the FBI forensics. We can only get a suspect close.
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It is an amazing likeness, especially the eyes.. credit for using the CORRECT suspect image. Hahneman image 1972, his weight fluctuated greatly causing his face to change so much that he looks like different people, he did have that turkey neck, curly/marceled hair. I have a pic of Hahneman where he has his hair slicked back,, a witness thought Cooper had his hair slicked back and Mitchell thought there was something unnatural about his hair.
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Here are some publicly available media quotes.. these give a sense of Hahneman and the similarities to Cooper's profile.. it doesn't prove he is Cooper but should cause any rational researcher to look into it further and I did. A sample of public media quotes. RE: Hahneman A swarthy gunman hijacked an Eastern Airlines jet over Pennsylvania today, picked up $303,000 in ransom and six parachutes during a stopover at Dulles International Airport the hijacker who parachuted into Honduras with $303,000 had penetrated the airport screening system required by the Federal Aviation Administration. Passengers first got word on the hijacking when the pilot announced over the intercom, "We are going to Dulles. Someone else is in charge of the plane." The pilot said the hijacker handed the crew a three-page list of demands A source said the hijacker sent out a detailed list of instructions which indicated he had flying experience. An Eastern official said, "from what we get here, he is calm and calculated, not easily perturbed." The gunman commandeered the 727 using an intercom telephone line to the pilot from the rear of the plane collected about $300,000 in cash, eight parachutes, two cartons of Benson Hedges cigarettes, food and fuel. Passengers described the hijacker as well-dressed, well-spoken and business like "He said he didn't, care If the plane crashed because he had only six months anyway," Confalone said. Stewardess Madeleine Willet said the man "spoke English without an accent, but he looked Latin American.” As I walked toward the hijacker, I became so involved in trying to study him up close, but the sight of his gun turned my attention from him. The hijacker seemed middle-aged, about 5-feet 10-inches, black hair specked with traces of gray, a pointed nose and a dark complexion that seemed twice as menacing behind a pair of deeply tinted sunglasses. described the hijacker as middle-aged, about 165 pounds, 5-feet-10, and wearing dark glasses. Then, 2 1/2 hours after landing Passengers described Thursday's hijacker as about 5 feet 10, inches tall, well-dressed, well-spoken and business like. The hijacker seemed middle-aged, about 5-feet 10-inches, black hair specked with traces of gray, a pointed nose and a dark complexion that seemed twice as menacing behind a pair of deeply tinted sunglasses. The gunman commandeered the 727 using an intercom to the pilot from the rear of the plane and forced it to land twice at Dulles Colovos said the hijacker had "set up shop" in the plane's lavatory An Eastern official said, "from what we get here, he is calm and calculated, not easily perturbed. described by an Eastern official as "calm and calculating, not easily perturbed," used an intercom to hijack the plane. The man carried a gun and claimed he had explosives in a briefcase, the FAA said. "I think he has this thing pretty well figured out." Martin referred to the deft maneuvers by the hijacker and the specific requests he had made, some of them "couched in language indicating he knew how to fly the jetliner himself. ... Among other things, Martin cited the way the hijacker gave specific orders for flying at a particular altitude "and direction and when he "boarded the second plane, the first move was to pull down shades he could not be seen. "He evidently studied our flight schedules," said Robert Martin, a spokesman for Eastern. "He was supposedly a pilot in the Vietnam War. He had flown and knew all about airplanes." The hijacker threatened to blow up the plane The man, believed to be a former Vietnam war pilot an Air Corps radar technician during World War II as a radar operator and a flight crew man......and that his occupation had been radio, electrical and communications engineer. Frederick William Hahneman who had served in the Army from April 19, 1943, to March 19, 1946, as a radar operator and a flight crew man In recent years, the FBI said, he has traveled in a number of foreign countries. born at Puerto Castilla, Honduras, of a Honduran mother and a father of German extraction, had been trained as a radar operator and flight crew member with the U.S. Army Air Corps in World War II The Federal Aviation Administration said that the gunman told authorities he could fly the Eastern Airlines plane himself and would do so "if there was any hanky-panky.” Crew members said the man told them he didn’t want the extortion money for his own use and indicated it might be used by a foreign power. “He talked like there was another country and he wanted the money for a cause,” said the 52-year-old Hendershott. The hijacker also had six parachutes, two bush knives, two jump suits, two crash helmets, food, drink and cigarettes delivered to him when he freed the 48 passengers and one stewardess in Washington. Transmissions overheard on airport radio frequencies indicated the hijacker had asked for evening newspapers and five stimulant tablets. The hijacker was said to have asked if the 727 was equipped with X-band radar and spoke knowledgeably of radar and aircraft as well as the geography of Central and South America. The man had demanded the ransom be paid in bills of $100, $500 and $1,000. But Eastern Airlines paid it in $100 bills because the larger ones are scarce, and couldn’t be found on short notice. After releasing 48 passengers and a stewardess at Dulles, the man forced the plane to take off. But he then renewed his demand for larger-denomination bills, and forced the plane to circle the Washington area for almost 5 hours while airline officials rummaged through Eastern banks to find enough of the big- denomination bills. Although men were seen with suitcases or bundles entering and leaving the hijacked plane, in a remote corner of a Dulles runway miles from the main airport building, it was not immediately known whether the hijacker received a substitute ransom bundle or an additional $300,000 "He says he wants the airplane empty," the relay plane said of the demand for a new plane. "He says to remind you that he has a satchel full of high explosives with detonators, and if anything happens he will ignite it and both planes and all parties involved will go." "You can assure him we have no hanky panky planned." the tower told him. An Eastern official, who asked not to be identified, admitted later that the change of planes was designed to perhaps give authorities some opportunity to overtake the hijacker. Before he left the first craft, he warned the watching officials, He then flew south to Merida, Mexico and on to Honduras. FROM NEW ORLEANS the plane flew south, landing at Merida, Mexico, a city on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico. After refuelling it continued south over Central America. After a change of planes in New Orleans, the hijacker jumped out through the rear door of the plane at a low altitude and a comparatively slow 200 miles an hour, just as Cooper had. The plane was flying at 9,000 feet over the mountains of British Honduras when the man walked to the rear section of the plane and drew the cabin curtain closed behind him. The hijacker leaped from the trijet at 9,000 feet as Hendershott reduced speed over the highlands of Honduras. he stayed away from the second floor apartment where his family lives for months — even years at a time Hahneman, 49, has been charged by the FBI with hijacking an Eastern Airlines jet just after it took off from the Allentown - Easton - Bethlehem Airport on May 6. Mrs. Hahneman's father, described the hijacking suspect as "a cocky fellow" whom he didn't approve of. The father- in-law said he threw Hahneman out of his house in Easton 17 years ago. Small said Hahneman “never had any friends here, and no one ever knew him. He’d go away again.” Another neighbor. Mrs. Richard Mettes, said, “I hardly even saw the man. But I always thought it strange that he would allow his wife to raise those two kids by herself ” A spokesman said the suspect had traveled widely and lived in a number of foreign countries. His last known employment was with Philco in Vietnam. Hahneman's next-door neighbor, said Hahneman was "brilliant, well versed on technical things." Small said he talked with the accused hijacker a great bit eight years ago and found that Hahneman didn't socialize much and didn't care lo talk about "Mundane" subjects, like baseball. He did talk about foreign trips, like to Cambodia, Honduras and Guatemala, Small said. Hahneman entered the guilty plea in U.S. District Court here Monday. Three other charges— kidnaping, extortion and interference with an airline crew were dismissed.
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You presented everything you know which is virtually nothing... Hahneman's MO was very close to Cooper's. About the only thing you got right was a difference in behaviour, but there is a good explanation for it. The environments were not comparable. For Cooper the pilot's asked him if they should inform the passengers of the hijacking, he said no. The passengers were unaware and Cooper only had to deal with compliant stews. Cooper had it easy. For Hahneman, there are four big differences. First, The media had run stories about ramped up security including air marshals. Second, The pilot immediately announced that the plane was hijacked to all the passengers. An aggressive passenger confronted him and Hahneman pulled his gun on him. Cooper was never put in a comparable situation. The perception of the passengers was completely different. Third, Hahneman had COMPOZ tablets, the original version which had serious side effects. It was reformulated. Fourth, They were messing with Hahneman, the money was not given in the correct denominations, it was too heavy and had to be swapped out for higher denominations. Hahneman was getting very nervous. Then, they faked a mechanical problem to delay forcing him to move across the tarmac to another plane. He used the crew as a shield from snipers, there is no mention of a noose in the detailed FBI files. Hahneman was put in a vulnerable position that Cooper was not. We don't know what Cooper would have done in that situation. We don't even know if Cooper had a concealed weapon or not. Other than the above the FBI files do not convey ruthlessness, he engaged in casual conversation with the stews. What you have wrong.. Hahneman indicated aviation and radar systems knowledge and gave precise instructions. Hahneman was estranged from his family, he sent them money and worked/travelled all over the world. Hahneman was not an engineer in PA.. he used his family address but did not live there. Hahneman spoke english with NO ACCENT, he was not in the US for only 12 years. Hahneman did not have a tan, he was swarthy, olive complexion, Latin American. Honduran mother and US born father of German background. Hahneman threatened to blow up the plane with a briefcase bomb. Most of the detailed info he gave was BS, he was id'd by a tipster for a reward. Hahneman previously flew into Seattle on Northwest Airlines. (He travelled a lot by plane and ship) Hahneman did not cut a deal for a reduced sentence in exchange for money, I know how the money was recovered. IMO, a deal was cut for another reason. Hahneman demanded 2000 Benson & Hedges but had Viceroy's on him.. they are nearly identical to Raleigh's 85mm filtered, both made by B&W the difference is marketing and the coupons. The FBI did investigate Hahneman, for many years. I can't find anything that indicates he was eliminated. Cooper/Hahneman behaviour was different but it is in the context of their radically different environments. Besides the addition of the gun the MO is virtually identical. Hahneman was dressed in a dark suit, white shirt, overcoat, thin black tie, brown shoes and sunglasses. He got military chutes. He left an opened chute behind. He sat in the back and used the interphone. He stayed in the lav for a bit. He kept a stew with him. He requested his demand notes returned. He even left a tie behind. He had pills for the crew. He demanded to fly to MEX. He was military on an aircrew. The biggest one, he actually hijacked a 727 and successfully jumped over a jungle at night from 9000 ft out the aft airstairs. That alone puts him at the top of the suspect list. That is just a start.. I have much more..
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I have done a lot of research on Hahneman including obtaining exclusive FBI files, trust me here, you know virtually nothing, some is half truths, some completely wrong and some out of context. An incomplete blend of facts, assumptions and falsehoods. A big job to unwind it all. I am not sure if it is worth it to explain and correct everything. It would take a lot of work and no upside. I don't like misinformation out there but I don't want to get bogged down straightening it out composing a 5000 word essay.. It gives me a headache just thinking about it.